What is the Name of Sonic's World? 

But the Moon…

Yeah humans and animals living together makes the world seem bigger

@@aubreytracey5396 the Moon is still destroyed as iizuka has confirmed that it's actually facing the other way which is bullshit but there's you're answer.

I mean it actually would make sense if it was established earlier on like it was in Sonic x.

@@ashuraomega7113 wow

I have the same idea.

Literally none of the characters ever in any of the official games created by SEGA ever once reference the world as: 'Mobius.' This was a dumb mistranslation of Yuji Naka talking about Mobius Strips likely referring to Sonic's running animation at the time.

@@zocialix it’s just a headcanon, calm it

@@zocialix Do you not know what headcannon means?

@@juicebox7372 of course, it’s when you have a cannon on your head

That's my head cannon too, glad people are talking about it.

That has a nice ring to it!!! South, west, angel, and whatever else islands would be neat!!

Same headcannon, it's the best compromise here

I always figured that was the case; in that sense, it'd be because different cultures are calling the planet different things, which would make sense inuniverse without sacrificing either side. It may simply be retranslated back and forth depending on the media.

That's a really good take, I'm headcannoning that now.

Now if only Moebius was called Klein, after another one-sided/unusual shape.

Fun fact, the name Mobius comes from a mistranslation of Yuji Naka (I think it was him) talking about Sonic 2. He said something like "worlds with Mobius Strips" referencing the Mobius Strip like set piece in Emerald Hill, but it got mistranslated as "Mobius World".

Morbius*

@@aug.6259 “it’s morbin time”

Holy fuck I never put that together. 😮

When did odyssey ever confirm this?

@@Geobot3000 they're prolly referencing how the world map is different from ours

@@Geobot3000 idk but you do go to peachers castle

I have literally never heard anyone call it the Mushroom World

IDT Mario's planet called earth,mario and Luigi,and all new donk city definitely come from other planet,not only them, humans in Pokémon,f_zero Had you noticed that none of those games show the earth from real life, only, one game did and trust me what's happened to it in this game,has connect with the other games,and that's game that real earth appeared is Kirby 64: the crystal shards, obviously we talk about shiver star

Light Gaia called it Earth, though

@@mannythemaniac1009 I mean in that there are ancient things about the planet that few know about

Ah, okay.

That'd be a really clever way of including it honestly.

@@mannythemaniac1009 Probably gotta check the japanese script for that. Many times, things get mistranslated or "localized" into english.

In his world, compromise does not exist

@@BitchChill funny cus you gotta do a lotta compromise to make Sonic's canon make sense

@@Marc-rw3dd In his world, life's an open book

@@BitchChill In this world of worlds, every step meets the rest.

@@BitchChillI guess you could say that every step…meets the rest..

it's mobin time

Probably the reason we'll never see the Mobius used again, cause people are going to think of either that crappy movie or an overused meme.

Same

Morbians

i loved the part where sonic got up and said "ITS MOBIN' TIME" and proceded to mobius all over the bad guys

an ironic comment considering your username is Moon

Or Down-to-Mobius

😂 moment

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Ok, but why do they make comic book versions of movies?

@@33pandagamer about the same reason really, you don’t get as much of the expansion on the story usually, but you get the advantage of regaining a visual element.

Literary art is its own legitimate form of adaptation, even as YA novels for simple reading, it's all for the purpose of expanding your tastes even a little bit over time, like all human growth in all fields. And by that same token to the OPPOSITE, the only reason to wait for the audio-visual version would be if you're not only a child, but determined to STAY on that level, like "I'm NEVER going to appreciate the spoken word, and I' proud to be an elitist to the tune of that". Sad thing is I bet these people haven't even seen movies like Babel, that does have it's ways to communicate higher conepts in audio-visual form. So they don't have media literacy in words OR in visuals. I mean, it's fine I guess, but if you would read horribly written books like Harry Potter with any understanding about what makes a mind beatiful and nuanced and open, you could spare yourself a lot of headache when you'd notice it was missing since book one. The whole book reads dry like a wiki summary, and the average action film is just the audio-visual equivalent of the same thing, so it's no wonder when it turns out to be produced by characters like Harvey Weinstein. They are reflections of how the author COMMUNICATES ideas, and that communication is who they REINFORCE bad ideas back to themselves in their minds. It SHOWS, when you have NEVER IN YOUR LIFE conversed with a diverse cast of people from various walks of life and understood their persepctives.

You are a genius.

But wouldn't that make the freedom fighters canonical too? As they appear in that game

@@HeavyRaiden I do wonder if that has something to do with it, to be honest xD But the mountain itself is in Sonic Origins, so that seems to imply Spinball at least could happen

The comics are not canon.

As a huge star wars fan I've just started reading The Phantom Menace novelization and it really helps give me insight into the characters actions and thinking. It even added extra scenes, characters, and lore such as a Sith war and the creation of the rule of two. So I personally think film novelizations are wonderful works that have their own place. I think novelizations and books in general allow the use our imagination that should be written of as inferior just because they're not a visual peice of media.

@@bakedbeans5494 Technically, there is no definitive canon since there exist so many alternate iterations of the franchise. Heck, not even all the games are canon - some were outright retconned or erased entirely.

@@geoffreyrichards6079 Stop talking like an ignorant developer. Sonic the Hedgehog is a video game series. Any comic books or TV shows based of the hedgehog cannot be canon towards the games. As it goes, any Sonic game that isn't a spin-off is canon.

@@bakedbeans5494 Then how do you explain games like "Shadow the Hedgehog" and "Sonic Battle" then? They're both spinoff titles, and yet they all form parts of the narrative that "Sonic Heroes" concluded on. Same with the "Rush" and "Rivals" games since... well, how else would you explain Blaze and Silver being present when their only "canon" game appearance up till "Generations" has been in 06? A game that the developers seem reluctant to acknowledge and was removed in-universe.

Actually, that creates a wild possibility... if the islands are closely tied to the chaos emeralds, and the talking bipedal wildlife with super powers are all from the islands, there's an implication that they might exist in such an unnatural form BECAUSE of that close association with the chaos emeralds. Sonic and company are chaos radiation mutations of normal animals.

The games also have chaos energy, gods, and some kind of afterlife, considering that Sonic knows what Hell is. As much as some SEGA purists might hate to see it, Enerjak fits right in alongside Chaos, the Gaias, and the Solaris duo.

@@ToaArcan didn't realize not many people liked Enerjack I thought he was just fine the only problem is that he belongs to penders so he'll never become Canon.

"cleaning up the lore" you mean getting rid of the last remnants of US sonic and making it into the Japanese canon

But that's jsut not what Sonic IS. That's all western insert to copy derivative western inspirations. And THE REALLY awkward insistence that, because people heard it once in Archie comics, now they can't buckle an inch from "believing" it, like that's how they would write history as well: never admit to mistakes, and always stand by the Bible. Not a good attutude to HAVE, or train yourself to think like. But, case in point in favor of that, Splatoon does the exact same thing, and it's purely Japanese (if you would make that iffy argument about... race of whatever). Just literalize the "moebius" world as future earth, when clearly, it does not follow any of real earth's basic elements. I mean it just becomes a CARTOON world that could NEVER be the future of this reality, and can't retain the kind of plausible tone that kind of serious take kinda assumes. At that point, why even do it? And just using English words like "hell" doesn't mean anything, because West is so backwards they wouldn't HAVE a word for many of the things that are common phrases in other languages. Think about ALL the idiomatic phrasing, do you also take the term "mofo" literally and pretty much EVERYONE has a lot of common with Chris Chan in USA? No, they just have to shorten it "hell" because that's the turn of phrase that American AUDIENCES understand. The japanese/Korean "jigoku" isn't even nearly the same place as the hebrew Gehenna where "hell" comes form. And it's not even an "afterlife" in Judaism, it was a literal thing. However, Infinite directly references Eggman trying to beat Sonic "for years", so that's proof that Eggman and sonic anthros are aware of span of time that they are not directly bound to, because they live "for years" while growing at most a year or two. This means, they are aware of relative passing of time the same way we are aware of 2-dimensional strips of land we walk on.

@@ToaArcan Too bad Penders pulled a Penders and ruined much chance of that happening.

The original JP manual for Sonic 1 makes no mention of the planet's name. I doubt that it was actually specified originally, because it was clearly a fantasy zone with no connection to reality, and it didn't MATTER what the inhabitants called their world. The only location that needed a name was South Island, because that's where the game happened. To a degree, the stages needed names, but... I'm not convinced those are all carrying their actual names. Scrap Brain Zone is definitely carrying the name of Robotnik's fortress, the Scrap Brain(this is in the JP manual). Green Hill Zone sure, EVERYONE has a place named Green Hill. But Marble Zone? I refuse to believe there's a place just named Marble(and also refuse to believe that every location name actually ends in "zone"). It is actually odd that Sega America DID specify a name for the planet... though it was the 90s, sci-fi was cool, and there's no faster way to establish you're IN SPACE than saying the game's set on an alien planet. If you don't make sure everyone knows he's an alien, then Sonic's just some lame-o cartoon character for kids, and we can't have that.

Same. 100%.

It's Mobin' time

Morbius!

@Bionick Toa actually that makes sense

That world slipped my mind. Neat design but, hoo, throwing that into the mix would really get weird.

Novelizations usually are written from an earlier draft of the script. Doctor Who famously made use of them in the Target adaptations during the 1970's and 1980's for the 1960's stories that weren't commonly available on home media or were lost with Tomb of the Cybermen being thought lost til the episodes were found in Hong Kong. Stories like Ghostlight from Season 26 has a novelization where it was made more clear on what was going on than the broadcasted story due to the editing job that left it a story which is somewhat hard to follow for a number of people. Or in the cases of Red Dwarf, they'd completely change up how the stories flows in the novels.

No, it's limit the potential narrative and in recent iteration of the franchise, the only important human that aren't Robotnik, is the live action movie and they have a separated world.

I'm not convinced Sega actually HAD anyone in charge of the lore for a long time.

By that logic, their homeworld should just be "planet". Which would be hilariously generic.

Listening back on the comics story, its depth of world always intrigued me.

... Highspeed Highway?

@@tonyhakston536 🤔 Sonic Adventure 2... I think. It's been awhile since I've played that game, so I might be off about the level's name.

@@brandonprater4613 it’s Radical.

In the Japanese lore it was always earth

Consider Dragon Ball Earth. It's common in Japanese fiction for the home world to be "Earth," even if it barely resembles real-life "Earth."

It's always been Earth in Japanese. The West has varied between Mobius and Earth mainly the Archie comics.

Bruh SA2 literally starts in San Francisco

@@Rusty_Spy The city is called Central City but true stages in that game are heavily inspired by San Franchisco

It wasn't only in the cartoons. Mobius was in the Genesis instruction manuals, as well as Sega America's official series bible. It was Mobius in the cartoons and comics because Sega told them to call the planet Mobius. (This was likely done to intentionally give the game a hint of sci-fi flavor, so everyone knew Sonic was a radical alien from space and not a lame-o talking animal like some Disney cartoon for little babies. The 90s were weird, man.)

Well terra is literally the Latin (and some other languages too) of earth so it's not an alternative name

@@samuele64246 It literally is an alternate name. It is a different word that means the same thing. If terra didn't mean earth, it wouldn't be an alternate name for Earth, it'd be an alternate name for Saturn or something.

Maybe "Mobius" could be analogous to "Oceania", because that's the real life location I feel most closely resembles the idea of a bunch of small islands.

@@chandlerpaulk4518 Exactly, either that or Hawaii, just something like them.

I believe one commenter here calls em the Mobius Archipelago. Though I prefer the planet to be called Mobius, that’s a nice compromise.

Interdimensional travel has been in Sonic since day 1, though. The JP manual for Sonic 1 explicitly states that the chaos emeralds reside in another dimension(which is presumably a good excuse for the special stages to look like an acid trip).

I loved it when you said "it's commentin time" and just commented all over the comments section

@@orangehat1924 i loved when you said “its replyin time” and just replyed all over the replies

@@orangehat1924 "this truly is one of the replies of all time"

It would to a degree, but it would heavily contradict the Dreamcast era games, which had stuff like Station Square having a train leading to the Mystic Ruins or Gerald Robotnik visiting Angel Island to unearth the Echidna ruins and base his research and experiments off of his findings. To contradict them would be to severe that whole foundation made to Sonic’s overall world.

While I watched Sonic X I never actually played any of the Dreamcast games because I never had a Dreamcast

That's not how explainations work, and even then we already know the Special Stage is a distortion in spacetime created by the Chaos Emeralds themselves.

That's a pretty cool (and I guess mostly canon) interpretation. I like Mobius for it's unique feel, but I get the appeal of just Earth when you put it that way.

I think in one of the Tails Tubes with Eggman, he says he defeated GUN when he conquered the world in Forces. So I imagine the humans just gave up after that and they weren't relevant to the plot at that point.

@@Skitskl33 So the humans accepted the Egglord as their master and the story just kind of glossed over that part? That is such a Sonic Forces thing to do.

It's cool sounding word. I mean what's the logic behind naming a planet 'Uranus'?

@@ligtningdog6399 I think the logic behind it is that Uranus is the god of the sky in greek mythology...and the planet is blue... just like the sky... is not an awesome logic but it still make sense.

His name...is the Skellyton.

Morbians!

@@vladniculescu1772 urmomians

06 doesn't insist on "only humans" more than the prior games did. And Unleashed is positively the game that started the downwards spiral of inconsistency in the game-storyline, even if it is still one of the good stories.

I'm kinda surprised Game Apologist never mentioned Planet Freedom. I kept waiting for it to be mentioned throughout the entire video.

No.

@@bakedbeans5494 why

Reminder that Sonic Spinball ends with Sonic sinking Mount Mobius into the sea, ergo Sonic killed the freedom fighters.

And Sega still wonders why Sonic is struggling these days outside of the movies...

@@rayvenkman2087 they get backlash when they call it earth, and it’s called earth.

What would've been like if all of Sonic's humans had super powers and durabilities too? Just like the Mobians(Sonic's race)? Imagine characters like Sam Speed having speedy powers like Flash.

They were two different planets but due to some shenanigans from robotnik they started to merge together

@@ashuraomega7113 yeah. For those wanting a form of some kind of continuity, maybe this is a timeline where they failed to prevent the merge happening and somehow time didn't stop.

@@DragonGirlKatie that doesn't make sense since none of the events of Sonic x haven't happened in the games anyways since Sonic x is a completely different timeline. Also the two worlds thing for the games has recently been changed back to one world as stated in tails tube.

@@ashuraomega7113 a good few of the adventure era stories do happen in X, close enough for me. It might he a closed off, completely separate existence, but the theory is there for headcannons.

@@DragonGirlKatie hm I guess

Although Gaia is a God not the planet itself and it resides on Earth so...

@@ashuraomega7113 thog don’t caare

I've never considered this concept before this video's comment section, but this seems like the cleanest compromise that would please just about everyone from old comic fans to strictly game fans. Someone else mentioned it here but if we make Mobius parallel to Australia/Oceania as a whole with various archipelagos, that works in my mind, not with the zero humans we see in forces or the lack of mobians in Station Square and such, but I'll take it. Although it won't stop me from craving all that lore, sense of progression, and World building in game canon it would be a start at making it more smooth and consistent.