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It's the "Give an inch and they will take a mile mentality". And it goes both ways between regulators and consumers. Coal rollers ruined the diesel industry by being obnoxious, they created a problem that caused more regulation.
This reminds me of the" child internet safty" bill that just came up , we all want the childern to be safe online, but do we want the federal government controlling information on the web ?, or would we rather teach our kids internet safety ourselves as parents? I don't think it's the feds job.
Its not just for cars. Ask a farmer what he is allowed to do if his Deere breaks down. Also you missed the point of the tools part of the bill. Lets say the manufacturer says you can only use their scan tool and its $50,000, or $5 ,000,000... how is a mechanic supposed to afford the tools for every manufacturer? The point is to allow the little guy to be able to make it in this business, not keep him out. That is what the manufacturers are already doing. Your argument is "I want less government regulation". Im with you on that, 100%. But, the government has already regulated us into this position. Without them we could still have simple cars AND TRACTORS that anyone could work on with no special tools and there would be no need for this bill.
I’m a tech at a Deere dealership and I have yet to hear a farmer complain about too much technology or not being able to repair their equipment, we have lots of customers that do all of there own repairs short of making software changes. Deere makes tech heavy equipment because that’s what the customers want, we have farms switching to Deere every year because of the tech that is offered.
@@dooformuladlx I dont normally come right out and call people liars, but this is too silly not to say it. You are a liar. Anyone who thinks Im not telling the truth, type "John Deere right to repair" in any search engine and see what kind of lies this guy is peddling. And if you could just explain all the lawsuits and news articles *and my personal experience as a Deere owner* being in 100% contradiction to your statements, that would be much appreciated.
@@lowlife7453 believe me I know all about it and our dealership supports right to repair, we sell special tools and service advisor software to any customer that needs them. But I have yet to hear any of our farming customers complain the ones that I always hear complain are the people with small utility tractors and lawn tractors say 5r and smaller.
@@dooformuladlx yea, it's just those little guys cause they are the ones that can afford the lawsuits... at least you can admit now that you do hear complaints. Maybe if I post that big guys don't complain as much because they lease and are under warranty and service contract you'll admit the whole truth.
This is in line with Tesla, John Dear, Apple just to name 3 huge offenders but all manufacturers. The cars, tractors, phones you buys at huge prices are held hostage by dealerships even if you get the parts second hand or from another new device. The programs needed to allow the new parts to work are only held by the dealers or manufacturers so your tractors, cars , phones are still dead till you go to the dealers for help. All this does is allow people who buy stuff to actually own it and get it repaired by who they want or by themselves if wanted. John Dear is one of the larges offenders on this and it is criminal... You should watch some videos on it then come back to your opinion on it.
Indeed! Louis Rossmann pushed hard to get this thing to LIGHT...you probably know of him but if not check him out. Yes, there are way too many regulations clogging up the system. But... This is ONE time where we SHOULD make regs to protect our rights to own and repair our machines.
@@CooperBogetti so everything can become monopolies and fuck consumers to the max? Why? You can't honestly think you have any chance of becoming one of those elites, that's an old boys club that will use the lack of anti trust laws to make damn sure you never have a chance.
The automotive industry is going the same way as the farming industry. Companies like John Deere and Case have created a monopoly on who can work on their product. Most of these problems are programming but they often turn a $500 combine into a paperweight that ONLY the manufacturer can resolve. We've been dealing with this with warranty when I was turning wrenches in aerospace as a Cirrus mechanic. We're slowly and gradually being worn down in an ever loosing battle where we're dying from a thousand papercuts on everything we "purchase."
@@CooperBogettiJohn Deere had record breaking profits last year they have more money then know what to do with they scored by not having to pay all my friends they laid off.
@@CooperBogetti And you said that "Monopolies are good for the consumer" in another post. This is how it ends in every one, because they do not have a competitor that helps to drive down pricing or innovation to be better, it stagnates and is always worse for the consumer.
Other tractors exist, they are a bad monopoly because the consumer is turning away from them is all. They had the ability to gain more market share and they a screwing it up
@CooperBogetti I could go ask my wife's hair stylist her opinion, but that doesn't make that opinion relevant. Educated opinions should be weighted more heavily. Not saying your not educated, dedicating a decade to this fight means something.
@@CooperBogetti Louis is a real and educated force. He has the resources and people to make the fight a real one and has proven to be a force in the battle.
@@CooperBogetti I get that 100%. However it's preventative. If they don't establish this standard, corporations are going to do what they do best keep there "proprietary" systems from being serviced by you or me. It's already happening with Apple and John Deere, which sparked this bill from the beginning.
I'm thinking you are missing the point. With Tesla making it difficult for individuals owners of there cars to be able to work on them their selves without Tesla telling them no. And other manufacturers for example Chrysler has tried voiding warranties when the owner works on it themselves..
Actually Tesla does not care. They have public service manual, wiring diagrams, service documents, parts catalog, and anyone can make an account and order parts. I try to find OEM service information for my toyota or my jeep and I am sure not getting any of that.
Love ya Coop but if you really don't see the need in being able to work on modern cars, wait till your friends/family end up stuck with the headaches and you'll be wishing you *could* help. The Big Three are *FAR* from "small business", your fear is unfounded. If people wanted small cars they would buy them, they don't.
Some form of right to repair must be implemented. The current laws has a tendency to allow companies to be the sole source of repair or even parts. Example, Tesla.
In a free and fair market. If a manufacturer produces cars that are difficult to maintain. We would purchase vehicles that were easy to maintain. And the problem would sort itself out. And if we had a free and fair press. They would educate us. Unfortunately none of those things exist in this country
As far as mandating OEM parts, currently Apple is an excellent example of this. They have batteries that are serializied, so there's a chip on the battery that reports an ID and if the iPhone detects and aftermarket battery, it will refuse to work properly with it. They're doing this with more and more parts in all their devices. This also happens in the automotive world with various computer modules now, but I'm not as familiar with such things. I don't know if any manufacturer has serialized their LED taillights to keep Dorman or any other company from being able to make replacements.
@@CooperBogetti Let's say GM does that, they serialize everything so it can only be replaced by them with a brand new OEM part. And then they decide they're only going to make parts available for 10 years. Or they go out of business. And your alternator fails. You've got a 2013 Denali with 50k miles, but because GM has made it impossible to replace the alternator with a used or aftermarket part and they won't install a new alternator on it, you need to buy a whole new truck. Sure, it's great for GM, especially when Ford and Ram follow suit and they start selling tons more new trucks. But it's terrible for the consumers. Which is why we need legislation to make sure that what's happening now with $1000 phones doesn't happen later with $100000 pickups.
I agree with you on less government and less regulation, but I also want to be able to fix any part of a vehicle I own. In modern vehicles we don't have the data/information at our easy access like we could 10-15 years ago.
The repair act is crucial to keep big nuisness from being a monopoly. Its putting repair shops out of buisness and its only getting worse with proprietary info/data/manuals etc. Its ridiculous they dont let us fix our own stuff. This year it cost me $900 to have my tractors dpf cleaned and light reset. A job that woukd had cost me around $150 had greedy corporations not locked the data down
@CooperBogetti if you don't allow it how do you expect to be able to modify your vehicle? Restrictions on data access then stops it being tuneable then you have what Ferrari Tesla and John deer are doing where if they don't like what you have done to YOUR vehicle which you own and something goes wrong they refuse to repair or give access for anyone else to repair it so your left being held hostage to them or you have a useless brick. How is that then a free market?
@@CooperBogetti but if more manufacturers do not give access to diagnostics or ecu access it takes longer for the aftermarket to crack or find workarounds if at all.
There is a big problem here is with planned obsolescence. The newest tractor trucks(18 wheeler) they have sealed transmissions making them nearly impossible to repair. They are designed to be replaced and will not give out specs and info on them. So say you 2nd gear breaks and it's just a broken tooth but you can open it with out them dropping warranty. Also you they don't provide replacement parts so you can only buy the whole transmission. So a 100 plus or minus a few dollars for gaskets, 500 to 2000 in labor or ....... 12,000 plus for a whole new one plus labor. Some auto makers are already doing some of that with head lights. Having to replace a whole head light housing to replace a turn signal is something that is happening now.
I think this bill would be great for regular Americans, therefore there's almost zero chance it'll pass. However, imagine GM refusing to allow you to know what RPMs you're turning. They say putting an extra guage in the cluster will make cars too expensive. That's proprietary information. Only GM techs should have access that information. You may own the car, but you don't own the information it produces. We already live in a world where the vast majority of people have no idea how their vehicle works and are dependant on dealerships. I don't think those of us who choose self-sufficiency should be supporting a position that allows this trend to accelerate.
Hey Coop, I don't know if you're familiar with Louis Rossman but he owns a repair business and works with lobbying in "right to repair" legislation. Louis works with repairing electronics but with repair legislation there is a lot of overlap with anti-consumer practices and consumer rights. I doubt he would have the time to be on the podcast but maybe ask if he could have a discussion somehow. I know your audience is mostly car guys but this is an important to fight for consumer rights and stop the anti-competition, monopolistic future we seem to be going toward. I wish the FTC gave a damn but their eyeballs must be blocked by cash stacks. Louis has a youtube channel talking about this kinda stuff.
Problem is these large companies can take the monetary hit selling at loss to drive out competition, then raise prices when no other competition exists. People have no where else to go
Also Louis has the problem where he's an expert in electronics repair field but apple has strangle hold on parts and will literally block him from acquiring parts he needs to repair apple products. That sound fair to you? Watch his videos as not only that, Apple will just tell you you need a whole new laptop for a $50 part because they don't actually repair their equipment, they're in the business to sell you new stuff
Watch Louis Rothman, he's the most truthful and unbiased on this issue. It's not that the manufactures will need to spend money to comply, it's that they spend a ton of money and effort to make it impossible for you not to use them. The same way you can't change your own cell phone battery anymore. There will be a day very soon where without this you will not be able to tune your car or even access the computer.
@@CooperBogetti I guess if you mean he is pro right to repair that would make him biased. He however gives examples of happening in the real world today, manufactures restricting or prohibiting your ability to repair or alter a product you bought and own. Apple computer is a perfect example of what happens if you let manufacturers trample on this right, he's built a very successful business sticking his finger in the eye of Apple, saving consumers devices Apple said had to be replaced, restoring data Apple said couldn't be, fixing issues Apple wanted the price of a new device for at the cost of just a few dollars.
We got similar here in Sweden, really good! And prohibiting, i.e., Tesla from dirtbag moves like Apple did on Iphones (locking down repairs to applestores ONLY). Also this ensure you can use multi brand shops to be able to repair any vehicle, and you don't risk getting slammed by some "manufacturor/reseller-specific" crazy costs due to they have restricted the access to be able to charge crazy money for stupid stuff.
@@CooperBogettiits also anti free market to prevent wholeseller from buying parts to fix items so you can only go to apple to fix them or buy a new pc when it could be fixed for 30 bucks
Respectable view on this. I’ll have to submit my word on being against the bill. A good thing to do would be to tell people how they could contact their representative and say no to this bill.
I see a lot of comments saying the same thing (and I agree). Best advise, talk to Brent from PFI speed about this(He has been affected by these bills not being in place). You have to ask yourself where right to repair stands right now? Currently this isn't affecting you, but there are to many companies out there that will not allow the everyday person repair their own motor vehicles/equipment that they have purchased. These companies will not sell parts to individuals, only sell them to authorized OEM retailers/Repair and do not allow aftermarket like Motion Raceworks to create /sell an equal or better part. I love that your looking into issues that affect a lot of people. Instead of Disagree with everything try Question Everything and talk with your Friends in the Industry to be as well educated as you can be.
There are several manufacturers who state very plainly, that if you use any part that is not theirs, or any fluid that is not theirs, your warranty is voided. I had a vehicle i was diagnosing, That the repair turned out to be a software update, and a fluid flush of the transmission. I had to send them to the Dealership because repair shops are barred from accessing updates, and they where charged thousands, for a repair that should have cost $300. Yes, we need this legislation. Ontop of that, most dealerships refuse to work on any vehicle older than 10 years old if it hasn't been religiously serviced by that exact dealer, so an 11 year old car is now destined to be scrap metal simply because i cant access software, and the dealerships refuse to fix them.
@@CooperBogetti I would say, 99% of the time no, not unless the buyer is educated enough to ask. And even if it where required to disclose that information, you're still relegating a car that could be fixed for a few hundred dollars in 12 years, to be scrap now because you hold the freedoms of a corporation, higher than that of the consumers.
@@jhowe67thank you sir. That's exactly the point that cooper doesn't get. this is about us regular people having the freedom to do what we want with what we own ! not the government or some big corporation. It's like he's arguing for the opposite of a free market . If you buy something you should actually own it. You don't own something if you can't make decisions about what is rightfully yours
@@michaeltimcisko7828 I purchased this product, i should be able to maintain, fix, or modify how i see fit, not however the manufacturer sees fit. And Barring me from making money because "Its not against the law" to withhold these things, is not very "Free Market". It is however, very borderline on breaking the Anti-Trust laws. (They get around it because technically its the dealerships refusing the repairs, and not the manufacturer, unless its warranty)
I feel I should be able to have better access, maybe not all access. When it costs $3k for the tools to re-gear/rebuild Corvette diff, and it costs more than that to have a shop do it; are you saving any money? Rebuild on a 10bolt or 12bolt, $6-700.
I've kind of experienced the the whole tool section of it in person, GM's LT series motors say for the Camaro and ZR1 are dry sump motors and because of that they need a special tool to prime the oil system so that you don't run the motor dry until the oil system primes and kicks in and that tool is $2,000, that is definitely a huge number for a smaller shop
100% agree with you especially after working at a dealer and now working on same equipment on my own but the chicken tax is a whole nother video you could do.
Yet another reason I wouldn’t take $50,000 for my 04 Silverado tomorrow. It’s got 230,000 miles and I know everything about it and it’s easy to work on. But the man will make me get rid of it at some point. I got 10-15 years left in me hopefully it won’t happen before I’m dead!!
I have the same truck and will never let it go.got rid of the factory computer, installed a Holley Terminator x and can tune it to run cleaner than stock.cam,heads, intake and 500 HP running cleaner than it did the day it was new.the government is killing our country....🏁thanks coop
The dealer only parts is already in effect for John Deere machinery. Let’s say a $30 sensor dies, you can get the part through the dealer but you have to wait for a Deere tech to come out to your broken machine in the mile of harvest to program the part. It may be 3-4 weeks. Or in the case of the medical profession lets say a $400 electric motor on an examination table goes bad. They don’t have to allow you to purchase it but will sell you another $%0k table.
Im one minute in as im writing this and already just want to say this is yet another video that feels very much like when Jeremy from fasterproms went off the rails. It started very similarly.
It's definitely something I haven't thought about. It is definitely something to consider that many of these regulations biggest problems are more about what they leave out, then what's in them. For example consider what they did with the "Clean Air Act" that started us on the trajectory we're currently on in the automotive performance industry. It was all of the sudden "Reinterpreted" by the Government and weaponized against us. It's good to stay skeptical, because we could very well be playing into the hands of the very companies we think we're finally getting ahead of. We don't have to agree, but we should all realize that this could absolutely be detrimental to all of us
Cadillacs had an OBD II reader built into the radio from about 1993 through about 2006. This reader provided OBD codes by module, including hidden codes (from problems that weren't current when the module was interrogated). With this interface, you could clear codes, pair key fobs with the car, and perform many maintenance and customization operations, and all this was in the factory shop manuals from Helm, Inc. Most of this is what the Right to Repair act requires. Per-unit cost of manufactured vehicles was tiny, because, well, it's just software in one of the modules, operated through entertainment system buttons and messages over the modified CAN bus.
We already have a standardized way to get to all the information our vehicles have and/or produce. It's the OBDII port! Sounds like they want to ensure that (or an app) does not go away. If I produce a car, anyone can copy my parts and sell them cheaper. It keeps that. If nobody reproduces those parts, because I'm a small manufacturer, that's not on me.
This comes more from farmers than vehicle owners. The fact the government took it and turned it around 100% and made it apply more so to vehicles by nature rather than equipment and such. If you’re Deere tractor throws a code for a sensor gone bad. Even one that has nothin to do with the engine, the machine won’t function. Now you have to have a Deere certified mechanic / representative come out to make said repairs or simply wipe a code. You can’t even hook up a computers to the dam thing even if you had the right cables and software. It’s locked out. That’s where this bill came to light. Sad it’s been so fucked off.
Other laws being bad (and there are a ton like CAFE, etc) are not a reason for this to not pass. I want OEMs to be able to make simpler vehicles and be required to make them serviceable. Keep this and throw out the other trash we have to deal with. This addresses the serviceability, but the real fight is everything else.
Unfounded. Period. This is good for the customer long and short term. Its the one bipartisan bill thats a good compromise. This will drive prices down and prevent monopolies.
@@CooperBogetti But it also protects buyers of those products, Imagine you just bought a Fisker Ocean right now, You're screwed. This could help those customers, as well as potentially helping the manufacturers in the long run because the customers won't be as trigger shy buying a startup because there can be a network to support. I agree, lets look at this with a big microscope, especially the government part, but I fear the future is just as bad when a manufacturer can block fixes after the warranty is up.
@@CooperBogetti So why any educated person decided to become a new manufacturer is beyond me. That's on them to live with their bad choice. You see how stupid your own arguments sound?
That's all fair points. Some counterpoints to consider: To the "small companies can't compete" aspect, with many regulations, there's a size cap on it, the same can be changed in the bill here, to make it so the company only has to do this if they sell XYZ number of units per year. This way it doesn't stifle small businesses, and large businesses can probably adapt fairly easily. Regarding the safety concerns, I don't support laws for seat belts and stuff, but I think regulations for tire quality for example are a good thing. Yeah, we can say as car guys "I wouldn't buy this tire if it's not safe for my family", but what happens to the single mom who takes her minivan into Joe's garage and they sell her some bullshit brand of tire and there's no tire requirements in the US and she dies? Who's on the hook for that? Just her fault she didn't do her brand research? Or what if she has a blowout and kills some innocent bystander? I feel like some of those regulations serve to help people who have no understanding of cars. They should be able to buy a tire and know that it's made with *SOME* bare minimum of quality that it won't blow up on the way home and kill them.
It’s not geared towards the individuals. It’s to help independent automotive repair shops like mine continue to have access to critical information to continue to repair these ever changing vehicles.
It’s becoming more common place for manufacturers to require a subscription to even access the vehicles information through the OBD port. I personally work on Euro/Japanese cars but I frequently have other technicians come up to me asking to use my autel scan tool to scan a 2018+ mopar since their scan tool won’t allow them to connect. I as a technician firmly believe I deserve to be able to connect to a car & perform bi-directional controls / look at live data pids. At the very least scan a car for codes. To me this is just more so a large sector of business ( independent shops ) don’t simply fade out. It would be extremely difficult to diagnose cars not knowing how a system works or being able to access live data for those systems.
They're trying to make it legal of what they're doing now. Where they're paying insurance companies to up your insurance. If you're a reckless driver and things of that nature.
You should get a reputable repair shop owner on to walk through this. They could show you a deeper understanding of what this is protecting. They are preventing manufacturers from monopolizing the repair side of the industry
Everything being up for interpretation is the point. I don’t care that gm sells tools at a price they deem reasonable when the same act says others can make said tool. Example- your l5p, you need a gm mdi to work on it, or efi live, hptuners, autel, snap on, shit even $20 foxwell Amazon tools will do what you need. And that’s the point….they can’t make things proprietary. They’re not saying every manufacturer has to implement backup repair options, they’re merely saying they can’t make it impossible for others to figure out. Companies like hpt have pc’s running code 24/7 to crack newer controllers as they get rolled out….look how long it took for c8 corvette tuning to come out and still the tcm is wonky to write. This bill prohibits companies from putting those barriers up in the first place
Most of the barriers are because of the EPA. A lot of people avoid the new stuff because of the barriers so they will feel how it hurts them without government intervention
The vehicle manufacturers should give the EPA a big F.U. And start making cars and trucks that are simple and serviceable without all the mandatory equipment that causes the technical repairs.
Also not the hugest fan of regulations, but to give credit where it's due, those regulations are what keep independent shops running. If manufacturers had their way, you would never get that part off the shelf at the auto store and fix it at your house or the shop up the street, only at the dealership. Tesla has proven that part. 9x out of 10, regulations driving prices up are due to companies throwing a hissy fit that they can't have their way
@@CooperBogetti again I would fall back to the Tesla model but yeah, I thoroughly believe what I said. Examples are everywhere in other industries without such regulation. The John Deere situation for example. It's the sort of thing that if they thought they could get away with it in the fifties and sixties, they would have tried. But instead of setting the trend, they are catching up as quick as they can to follow it
Also, carry over that last statement about so many cars in the world they can't just sell parts, but apply that to electronics and that's exactly where we are right now with that
@@CooperBogetti that's why I haven't bought an apple product, and I've recently moved on from Samsung. I know not everybody sticks to that but where I can, I will and I do
Kudos to lawmakers trying to get in front of a perceived threat. At its heart the bill feels more like it's function is to give automakers a heads up that they won't get away with 'bricking' cars they sell. Certainly the more a car relies on electronics, the more opportunities manufacturers will have to abuse what they would intentionally build into new car's systems. All that said, it feels a bit paranoid and premature, seeing as how it's unpredictable what angles manufacturers might use to intentionally 'brick' their own products.
Look up the John Deere lawsuits. The farmer can't repair their own tractors or get into the computer system and a repair man won't come out to you, so you have to have your combine harvester take to the service centre at your cost. The farmers started to hack the tractor computer with a chip but this null and voids the warranty. Having 1 tool that the company owns and no-one makes to get into your engine and making the $10000 just shouldn't be allowed but it has happened. You should be told if someone is looking at the systems of your car.
As a diesel mechanic light and medium duty. I'd definitely love more affordable more universal and clear tech access. I don't think it would add to much cost to a over all price if left manageable. I do agree big gov should stop messing about. However, manufacturers have made it incredibly expensive to see their hidden issues, much less to repair said issues. I do feel like manufacturers will get the hint if they try and offset this cost to much in an overall price that less and less cars are going to be In demand and be somewhat forced to make them more affordable. But cars and trucks do seem to be getting more and more expensive as living expensive rise aswell.
I agree with you, Less regulations is the way forward. The regulations are generally just butt-covering anyway, if people educate themselves about what they're trying to do and take personal responsibility for the outcomes there's a net positive result imo.
We need right to repair and more so in order to ban planned obsolescence. Manufacturers should be required to engineer in dependability and longevity, not engineer it to degrade prematurely.
When we all figure out that when we are not acting in a commercial capacity and our vehicles are not commercial, we will finally figure out that the legal system does not apply. The epa has no leg in consumer contracts and that is exactly what the bank and brokers work together to convert to securities. And they do it in a way to achieve plausible deniability. Better start learning the rules to the game you play!!!
the average person should not be encouraged to repair their own vehicle if it contains complex electronics or conducting repairs incorrectly can result in the harm of other people. but absolutely there should never ever be a restriction on trained professionals repairing and replacing parts, apple and tesla are forcing this bill to be necessary through corporate greed. even though this will open up the world to shoddy repairs done by people who arent trained, that is still better than allowing monopolized repair policies that exploit consumers
@@CooperBogettito an extent, if knowledgeable professionals in a industry are advising them on unsafe or dangerous practices then yes the legislature will know better then the business or company. There's far to many examples of companies or industries being allowed to self regulate things like safety, material handling and disposal and having entire factories blow up or thousands of workers and people living close by having exposures to substances that cause cancers or dramatically shorten people lives and degrade ecosystems. Management in companies with poor morals and incentives to make all the wealth they can have done horrible things that is good for the company...but no one else.
Yeah originally this was introduced as a bill to MAKE heavy equipment dealers to allow there buyers to repair and more importantly have access to the computer systems on these pieces of heavy equipment, well all of them small or large. They have a proprietary operating system on there computers system that ONLY the equipment dealers have access to or authorized dealers of such. As far as car manufactures, they do as well, like Dodge Ford Chevy and so on and on.
That bill is lame. I thought right to repair had to iPhones and John Deer tractors snowmobiles and outboard motors. I feel bad for the farmers that own John Deer harvesters. A sensor goes bad and a warning light comes on and the harvester goes in to limp mode then a service tec has to come out to change sensor that the farmer could of changed in 10 min. Worst case there is no road service tec and they have to take the head off the machine pay to have it hauled on a lowboy with a wide load permit to John Deer. From what I understand John Deer and IPhone are the big money behind fighting against right to repair and looks like they got themselves out of this one. That is most likely why the bill does not make since anymore. The U S car companies don't care because they do most of this already.
I did a recent podcast on my channel (i know very original lol) with my friend who was a founder of a very successful tech start up. And he was saying how in the tech world they are experiencing the same issue with right to repair. Not being able to open computers and phones, not selling specialty tools, and pretty much bricking it if you do it. I kinda sit on the middle of it i hate more regulation, especially when it comes from governing bodies who have no expertises on any of it. But i also cant trust companies anymore after recent. its seems like they will work with each other against us, instead if working against each other for us. Its going to he interesting to see how all of this plays out. Great video!
I believe a company will always undercut another even if they have a deal to set prices or parts or whatever. Someone will always to to take market share. New people will come into the market with new tech and take out the big dogs. It will happen as it always has, look at black berry, Motorola, sidekick, all gone when they had it all. Even apple won't be on top forever but they are because people like them a lot not because they have the marketall to themselves
@@CooperBogetti i pray that free market capitalism is still alive and well. dont get me wrong im not giving up and going the other direction, i mean ask the government to give you ham sandwich, and they will give you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with the peanut butter and the jelly on the outside…. And then tax the hell out of it.
Coop i love what you are doing with these little mid week videos. With that said i feel like on this one its more geared towards farm equipment. I feel like a little more research on this one could help you better understand the bills purpose
@@CooperBogetti well thats our over reaching government painting with broad strokes so they can use it how they deem it most benificial for them. Im 100 percent with you im just saying. I think its about how john deere gate keeps their service information forcing the owners to go back to the dealer for everything.
The reason for the Right To Repair Act is for us in the Independent repair shops. It is more for the manufactuers to open up their knowledge and make it available for the smaller mom and pop repair shops. Right now for me to work on a 2018 and up Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler, Ram car or truck. I have to subscribe to them to access the obdII info just to find out why the check engine light is on. It is a per car base as well. Not a monthly fee.
Hey, that’s a pretty nice sitting area. Have you thought about inviting people over to sit around and talk about random stuff, maybe car related. Kind of like a mini talk show. I dunno. You already have the space. I bet at least one person would watch. ✌🏽😎
There is a reason they have extended 5yrs warranty. You are required to use a recognised dealer, use specified parts etc. And pay outrageous service costs. It's all part of the bigger company plan. Why not just sell the car with the 5yrs regular services included in the price.
Look at it from a heavy equipment standpoint. As a forklift company you could never touch our software without being a dealer therefore we have a monopoly on said brand. That’s the issue
This Bill was aimed more at Tractor Manufacturers. I am not talking about damn little Lawn Mower tractors. I am talking about the $250K- $ 1 million+ Farm Tractors. Also, This ESPECIALLY applies to Electronics. Think Phones, TVs, Washers and Dryers. Consumer Products is what it is about. You should be able to work and FIX your own shit if you are capable! Just like you said... Granted not everyone can or will do this. This Bill helps small repair shops and individuals like me. Automotive, Farming, Electronics, anything you buy. You should be able to order repair parts! This is how ridiculous this gets. My 1995 Amana Digital Washer and Dryer combo. I used to build circuit boards for 16 years, so I knew what the replacement parts should cost. I had a small relay the size of a couple of Legos. The first time I called around, The Appliance repair shops would ONLY SELL me a $350 circuit board. I troubleshot it to the relay. Only one appliance repair shop would sell me just the relay, for the cheap price of $50. I bought three and had them delivered two-day shipping for?..... Get this..... Are you ready? Less than $15!!! 80% of that cost was the shipping! The relays themselves were only a total of about $3.50! The shipping was triple what the relays actually cost. Also, The Bill allows people access to BOMs (Bill of Material), Schematics, and repair manuals! How much do you spend on the manuals for your newer vehicles? You used to be able to go to the library and check out the repair manuals. Can you do that now? Yeah, I didn't think so! Can you find a manual on how to repair YOUR washer and dryer? You're going to spend a couple hundred to have someone come and LOOK at them. Then they charge the shit out of you for replacing parts that could cost you only a few dollars, Then they charge the hell out of you for labor at $100/hr! My mom's Fisher & Paykel Dryer started squeaking and making all kinds of not-good noises. She was quoted $150 for the tech to come and Look at it and diagnose the problem. Then add on prices of the parts and $150 hr labor because it was not a popular brand like Maytag. I bought a bearing repair kit for $70, and it took me about 8 hours to disassemble, replace, and assemble the dryer. Because I had no access to repair manuals. Plus this was a top loader that spun like a front loader!! Well that will last her another 25 years and she is 85!!!!
I think we should all follow standards for for when manufactures build cars just how ever car has the sale obd2 port. Maybe some standardized wiring etc
my friends family bought a new swather, ran it for like 5-6 years. GPS in it went out. They cant fix it because of the software lockouts. The GPS is now obsolete, so the manufacturer wants them to spend an absurd amount of money to upgrade the whole GPS system to current technology. Farmers have been taking it in the shorts by the ag industry.
We already have right to repair anything we own. I do think we should be able to buy any needed parts but I don’t expect the companies to provide us with schematics etc. They should have to allow aftermarket parts as long as compatible just like should already be covered by the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.
I got about halfway through this and skimmed through the bill myself. I’ve been a professional tech for 15 years, and I agree on a lot of your points. It’s worth noting that so much of it boils down to how all this would actually be implemented; ex. Would customers be able to look at data and then make suggestions on what THEY think is the problem? I fix Porsches for a dealer. I wouldn’t trust 99% of my customers to make any determination of what’s wrong with their vehicle or how it should be repaired. And quite frankly, even the ones that are mechanically competent still have only a shread of the knowledge I have and would be wrong 9 times out of 10. Overall, the idea of this is great, but the way it’s actually implemented probably won’t be. In this country the majority of automotive techs are flat rate, most of us already don’t earn enough to match the skill/effort it actually takes to fix cars properly…and we aren’t paid to fix other peoples mistakes.
I can think of one regulation that worked out really well 1996 OBD2 standardized OBD1 every company had a different setup I think this is just trying to guarantee that they keep our code readers able to help even now that the whole thing is a giant computer
Any time new laws are put forth you have to look at the overall potential benefit good or bad without thinking it should be more perfect. Because they never are. The point of this bill is to prevent OEM’s and portions of government from limiting your ability to work on your own vehicle whether you choose a shop to do the work or do it yourself. And that is the coming trend. OEM’s want to restrict access to data and want to limit what can be done to their proprietary systems. Governments like California and many other states want to totally limit what you can do to your personal vehicle and use pollution as their justification. You are right that this bill is not perfect but everyone should consider what it’s overall goal is and weigh the benefits versus what is lacking in light of the coming future of auto repair and performance upgrades. The future is already here. It’s not just a few new Corvettes running around with Over the Air (OTA) communication to the OEM. Most new cars today have OTA capability and get software updates pushed out to them.
So... I work on HD equipment. Peterbilt dump trucks suck. They wont release any wiring schematics to people that work on their trucks. The company i work for has tried to get them to do training on their equipment. Other brands offer training
@@CooperBogetti That's called intellectual property theft..So if you don't want your products reverse engineered, maybe you should just get out of business and not sell products
And most of the manufacturer repairs are just software update so if you could do an engine swap, I’m pretty sure you can do a software update or change some brakes. pretty simple. It’s just a big three wanting more control.
The nearest dealership to where I live is over an hour drive. And it not even the brand I own. In ontario there are no BMW dealerships north of barrie. So in some instances it would be a 16 hour drive for people in northern Ontario each way.
Why own any car in Northern Ontario with that logic. There are towns with no dealerships of any brand within multiple hour of drives. There are town where cars have to brought in by boat because no roads to the towns. Example is Mooseanee, it's a 4 hour train ride from the nearest road.
And I agree you should be able to and have the right to work on your own property. The OEM shouldn't be forced to help you as they are a private business and can decide what's best for them
@CooperBogetti almost all manufacturers are publicly traded companies. If they cannot provide services in a reasonable manner to their customers. They should build thousands of more dealerships and raise their prices significantly to maintain that service then.
Look at the bmw subscription model they wanted to implement. Hardware for heated seats in im the vehicle but they have access to turn it off if you don't pay
