What is the tragedy of the commons? - Nicholas Amendolare 

I like your videos Mr. Ted.

I normally like your stuff, but not this video. I strongly suggest reading the Ishmael series by Daniel Quinn. You're not describing a truth about humans, but a truth about why civilization is and always will be unsustainable. Be a true educational leader and start by questioning your assumptions. Fail to do so and become just another mindless follower.

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Why Garrett Hardin's essay on the tragedy of the commons is an false premises Attacking the source as an intro: Garrett Hardin was a grantee of the Pioneer Fund (Hardin is one who engages in genetic fallacy) 1) TotC was written in the 1950s, when technology was not what it is now 2) Pre-emptively rejects solutions to the problem of the tragedy of the commons out of hand. 3) Tic-tac-toe analogy is reductio ad absurdum, presupposes that all parties are competitors rather than cooperative allies. 4) Reiterates refusal to consider solutions by ignoring technological breakthroughs. 5) Posits that resources are finite, ignores resource management and renewable/recyclable strategies of energy production and waste removal. 6) Conflates research and development as a waste of work calories 7) States that incommensurables cannot be compared yet the ruling class can afford any such activity that consumes work calories mentioned before.

8) Points out that zero growth is what qualifies a population as being non-prosperous, then states contradictorily that it is an unknowable fact whether or not the result of a positive growth rate is of an optimum capacity and purpose. No conclusion can be drawn from growth alone in a population. 9) Misappropriates Adam Smith's phrase “invisible hand”. That phrase was used as an argument against neo-liberalism. The choices of corporations to extract natural resources is not an “individual freedom”. Furthermore the idea of monarchist “corporation sole” is an intellectual dishonesty. If the decisions of the ruling class affect others, it's not an individual decision, it's coercive through the means of the state. 10) The example of everyone being a farmer seeking to make a gain is unrealistic and truncated. It assumes again that everyone is competing and that there is no reason for some of the population to take up other occupations. It is a false assumption that every human is as rigidly individualistic as a stereotypical merchant. 11) For each farmer to practice unsustainable infinite growth of their herd is symptomatic of unregulated capitalism, not gains for the public good. 12) He then goes on to say that individuals acting individualistically does damage to the common good. This is circular reasoning as anyone who takes the public good in to account will not behave like a stereotypical merchant, which would suggest central planning. 13) Hardin goes on to mention maritime law and the tragedy of the commons, when overfishing is directly from of lack of regulations and a purposeful business practices to make maximum profits as a function of time. This is the tragedy of the market, not the commons. It is also worth noting that kings and queens, who are corporation soles, do not travel overseas and across boundaries with a passport.

Gandhiji's quote

then turned out the planet is full of greed..

Mahatma Gandhi said that

Alice Lu if you look at the grand scheme of things TOtC isn’t really a problem.

To stem the instinct to be greedy, impose on anyone who controls land a annual charge equal to the full potential annual rental value of whatever land is held. Absent this measure is what causes the tragedy of the commons.

what a comment

Zaxor Von Skyler confusing comment

preferably on fox news.... since that seems to be the only source of information the current president of the U.S. consumes...

instead they have six seasons of kardashians😑

Whats TV?...

Im sure kim jong un is gonna take that advice to heart

Yea.. the people with all the money also have castles and guns, no turning back now

Greed works itself into everything. This tragedy has a destructive brother: The ‘Ownership Tragedy’. Or the solution has become a problem too. medium.com/the-gentle-revolution/the-ownership-tragedy-1c81267686d4

Who decides what is good for all of us?

@@ebowden1168there's nobody nor a society to decide for that. I think it's impossible to do something that will be absolutely good for everybody since each of us has different needs. So i guess, as long as the act is not something out of greed and not a purely selfish one, it would be good for the majority. Just take what is enough for you and leave also enough for others.

that’s what all billionaires do haha

That's what we eventually will have to do - drastically lowering our population worldwide - whether we like it or not.

E.coli Like Thanos did. Or wanted to do... I’m confused!

@@robin_birdie_ Actually we have enough resources to sustain a way higher population than we already have. Poverty is not a problem of having not enough resources but rather a problem of distributing those resources. We just like to think that way because our brains are wired to concentrate on the worst-case scenario.

@@Chillerll Yes. And the answer to all our problems lies in eating the rich. You can't have a "responsible billionaire" because being a billionaire should literally be a crime. No one should not have that much resources at his disposal.

In other words: capitalism sucks.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

@@alvarodavid9504 exactly comrade

Carpe Diem

@@alvarodavid9504 Still better than communism.

You need to check their Macbeth video.

I totally agree. Its a great graphic style.

I wish the artist was credited!! I want to see more of his/her work :/ Animators are totally under-appreciated and overlooked.

@@sagarsaxena6318 or their riddles

How did your exam go?

A French*... pass* ... English*

Are you Jaqen H'ghar?

@@endermited 🤣🤣

Draw me like one of your French girls

Don't want panic buying? Allow sellers to raise prices. This will be incentives to channel more goods to those areas touched by disaster and for the morons to stockpile in case of an emergency.

No. The last thing you want during a shortage is to allow sellers to raise prices. That just keeps people who need those items from accessing them.

@@LittleBigPoet - They can’t access them when they get bought up by the first two customers. You may be surprised what you can do without. Nobody ever died from a lack of toilet paper. But you don’t want someone to be buying all the toilet paper and then go wipe out the can goods before emptying the freezer section. Raising prices makes that kind of behavior foolish.

@@boxelder9167 Raising prices mean some people can’t afford their groceries anymore, but people with enough money can still buy everything. If during a crisis bottles of water go from $1 to 10 in the shop, some people won’t be able to afford them anymore and will be without water. Someone who can afford it will buy all those bottles for 10 each, and resell them for $20 a piece when everyone’s water is shut off. So nothing changed except that even less people could buy the water in the first place. And will the shop be forced to invest the profits in the community? Or will it just go to shareholders and upper management?

@@DanDanDoe - I dug a well. If you need water come over and fill as many containers as you want for free. There seems to be an increasing number of people who have not had to figure out how to get their needs met without having a system to supply them in place. Creating your own supply is discomforting. Having your supply chain collapse is discomforting. Everyone picks their discomforts.

yup lol

Poignant

This depends on the country you live. I guess in the US, children are raised to be more individualistic, while in most asian countries, children are raised to be more familial.

Quick Fix I completely agree with your statement, but most resources aren't finite. So the majority of the planet isn't suffering because of a lack of resource (or teachings, ideology etc.), but because of greed (immoral companies) or self preservation (ruthless dictators).

My teacher said that we are social being

@JBL type of teaching technique, where you're asked questions to achieve comprehension of a certain concept

Wait so are you saying that the Garret Hardin in the video was your former father in law?!

@@eemzydemzy3072 i'm shook as well😳

@@eemzydemzy3072 don't you see her family name? :)) Seems legit

@@nguyenquan6300 ong

Omg this!! I was always like: the tragedy of the commons thing makes no sense

what is labor product? can you explain more what is the mechanism which prevents pollution and depletion?

Exactly, I'm super late but I hate how this concept is used to promote privatisation by hiding behind a façade of worry for the environment. It's often accompanied by an assumption that privatised ownership of a renewable resource will automatically lead to its sustainable management, which is complete bs. Privates may decide that it's more profitable to deplete the resource and move on to another instead of extracting sustainably. And seeing how real markets behave, that's the most likely outcome.

i had to read hardins original essay for AP Environmental Science and I was shocked at what they were making us learn. the guy was an actual eugenicist

@@timothyb3893 wait what!! man that sucks... im studying this for an environmental sustainability final, so i dont really have time to dig into it rn, im just focusing on learning the concept and answering the paper. but during my sem break ill make sure to read up on it and learn more

geneenius stockpiling isn’t the same as gradually building up a food storage, just to clarify.

Indeed! I refuse to stock pile.

It’s the community itself that is the problem

please understand that it is human nature and to prevent this the store just has to increase prices, this is the law of supply and demand. it encourages savings in hard times and allows for more supplies to be distributed equally

But it's ultimately not their fault. People panic buy as a survival/coping mechanism. There should have been mechanisms in place against it, but like everything over the last four years, the government failed miserably to deal with this.

Thank goodness it wasn't just me

Oh my god it was so cuteeeeee poor fish :(

me :( Let us share so that there are no more lonely fish :)

was just going to comment this :(

This is going in the book of grudges.

We elect governments who reflect our short term, self-interests and they pass laws in the short term, self-interest's of the few

yeah that's funny 😂

Well, that's what happens when the government is controlled by corporate interests. Something inevitable under capitalism, yes, but it could be counteracted by not voting for politicians who take money from them.

@Par Kla. You appear to be confusing what is a policy in constant development depending on the specific location vs some mythical ideological scenario. But let's put this in more stark terms. Your ridicule of this concept that we pass laws to serve the common good indicates that you make the good the enemy of the perfect. When you rant about your individual rights in a community you are exactly like that person who he thinks he is entitled to MORE then his share then the larger community has agreed you are actually entitled to. And that thinking is exactly what is destroying this country.

@@riley8385 .....and if we find those few magical unicorn, that will solve everything.

Jacinda Lacroix only a little bit??? 😂😂😂

If I selfishly own the pond, I can waste the capacity of the pond by not fishing enough, destroy my property by getting twelve fish on the first day or produce 4 fish a day, sell the other 3 for another's excess wood, leather and fruits. *If the pond is selflessly shared, soon we'll invite in a fifth person (because it is his as much as mine) and ruin the pond for everyone.* Selfishness (or if you rather, rational self-interest and self-ownership) is a force of preservation, if only because as long as I maintain my pond, I don't have to learn to hunt and I get wood / leather and fruits rather effortlessly. It canalizes greed and laziness into forces of good.

It's called socialism, and yeah, I agree.

@Ethan Steel implying privatization is good lmao

@Ethan Steel if thats what you wanna tell yourself pal

Koriaaa then dont take nothing, read diogenes live and watch by yourself how is it posible to survive without everything

It's not how it works.

Koriaaa 👌👌🔥😤🙏are💯 you🔥🙏😤🔥suggesting👌💯😂💯👌🔥that I stop🔥👌👌🙏👌🔥the😈 grind?!🙏😤🔥👌👌💯💯💯 -Deuteronomy 4:13

I need everything

Like a computer. DUHHHHH!!!

no pain no gain

Many thanks... :) It is here if you want to listen to it itself : soundcloud.com/nicolasmartigne/ted-ed-tragedy-of-the-commons

same

Collective goods are all destined to face the tragedy of commons. The only way to protect a resource is to have someone with a name being responsible. At grand scale, accountability.. So.. socialist systems aren't accountable since they depend on force..

i'm watching for ap environmental science

same 😆 i have an essay about it that im not going to read

Ap human geography

Stuck in quarantine, watching this video for an assignment, after I told my teacher I have lost my hearing. Don't you just love teachers...

bioethnics

*_Our culture as a species is fundamentally unsustainable_* *_What we truly need is to drop anthropocentrism from our culture, so we stop making those mistakes._* I concur: the first step would be to naturally decrease our population, so I'll kindly encourage you to not reproduce. For the planet and the rest of the animal kingdom. Or.... You realize that every example shown in the Ted example is only truly possible because of governments. Deforestation happens either because land is sold cheap and in large amounts by the government, or the rights to cut it are sold instead of the lands. Pollution is tolerated because the smoke-producing powerplants that are protected by governments with their "pollution allowance" is worth more votes than the surrounding populations and smaller businesses. Rational self-interest lead to resource protection, and trust me, bio-diversity is profitable and would be protected under pure capitalism. If I selfishly owned part of an african savana, I'd hunt down poachers like animals to preserve my lands and its riches.

Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

A Joke is it possible to learn this power?

Not from r/Sequelmemes.

"Over-population, over-grazing and other social and environmental problems". Thanks god we have non of those under capitalism.

@@OjoRojo40 ok, Uncle Rojo. What do you suggest?

Good! Great, so glad you pointed that out... Now, how do we divide the athmosphere or the ocean, global temperature, the ozone layer, radioactive waste...

A necessary perspective in good humanship so that there may be no leader nor follower!

Like who?

human being are born selfish and need to be taught selflessness

Universally Preferable Behavior. Love it.

Warning tho, with this as a base for morality, the State doesn't fare well.

lmao

That sounds pretty interesting. Have you read it?

heehee

Like in clash royale?

RIP free player

Obscurity

those damn petty soul gems...

Unknown Race Stop eating fish! Pay attention!

@@TomCook-jw6ur lol

Tom Cook should be eat by moderation. Fish sustainability

Not to say anything bad but, tbh, I can answer all those questions with 'I'm trying to'... ;v;

The format of your comment reminds me of the Bill Burr video where a guy provides the financial advice "Don't blow it. Keep it simple. Count your money. It's at 2:25-2:40 of this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tiDLX7PvGJI.html

The 'Tragedy of the Comments' is when self centered attention craving people fill the comment section with nonsense, regurgitated dogma, and rectally derived truisms. This dilutes meaningful contribution and discussion. Good thing it doesn't happen here.

This is my favorite comment of all time.

:P

The tragedy of the comments is a lesson, that conversation that benefits the common good is the only benefit one, when deciding to share, should pursue

The Tragedy of the Comments is the fact that a Comment Section is anonymous. A base viciousness in the human character surfaces which would not appear in face-to-face encounters. The real tragedy is the possibility of that being our true character(?????)

I learned it recently as well, in environmental science class.

Its not as bad as covid 19.

can be even worse! @@felixlee9645

What do you mean? Relief funds greater than some employees' wages, causing people to live as leeches on the taxpayers' collective? State printing money like crazy so that the stock market doesn't crash, making us all indirectly poorer so that the top 0.1% maintain their position? The WHO selling us all out, including their own funding now and Taiwan, to maintain special priviledge with China?

@@fovarberma752 yes, i was more so referring to the poo paper and rice hoarders though haha.

Yeah...panic buying is terrifying

Exactly! They buy off all the toilet paper for their own "preparations" against corona and now no one can buy it.

Yep. What hurts is that there are senior citizens that are not able to get what they need, so technically it's killing them with all the panic buying and stuff.

W.A.T.E.R.

Ironically I got here because of a lesson in economics lol

the maximum population supported by the pond is 12 as stated

How