"You asked me right now about personal love, and my answer is that I no longer know it. Personal love does not exist for me. Love is for me a constant inner state* ~ J.Krishnamurti
When you know beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and you are that life, you will love all naturally and spontaneously. ~Sri Nisargadatta
Well thats the most clear explation of non dual love i heard lately. I love you, i want to be with you because i chose to, but i dont need you. If both parties feel that way, it can be actually freakin awesome way to live!
No, it will only be awesome to be aliveness itself. For this, both parties have to vanish completely and take all their personal feelings with them. There are no parties in love. There is only loving.
In my experience, the most practical way of love is to look beyond whoever is and see God's presence; Universal Consciousness is there, present, operating at that very moment, with perfection. When I see God beyond I can feel love, it dissolves the apparent individual standing in front of me.
Yes yes, but who is having this experience? Love is not a practical way. There are no concepts, not even Universal Consciousness or Gods presence. This is all food for the mind. There is no one that sees, there is no God to see. There is only Seeing. There is no individual standing in front of you either. There is only what happens, and it is wholeness. Not as a concept, but as a realization. Thoughts and experiences stand between you and realization. You have to vanish completely.
@@paulmetdebbie447 good day to you Paul! Thank you for the reply. Yes, your words resonates to someone already realised in the path. Mine shows that I am on the path, in a different stage, willing, however not yet there in true understanding. Nevertheless I am here, listening, pondering, dedicating my time, attention, heart and soul just to reveal what I already am... And one day, if it is the Grace's will, the true nature may shine through, dissolving ignorance. Kind regards, Isabel.
@@isabelcosta2009 Thank you. Resonating is good. Look between the words. What is standing between you and oneness, is only this thought about a path and time. Not time or practice itself. Time does not exist outside the mind, and there is no path to where you are already. When in Paris, you can't take the bus to Paris. Oneness is all there is. If you take that seriously, you will realize that you are it, immediately, here and now. Look careful at those thoughts and be honest. What is the mind clinging to, afraid of? Behind these thoughts and fears, the mind is hiding because it is clinging to its illusory existence and feeding you the notion of time and path. Don't allow it to do that, ignore those thoughts, they are not your friend, they are keeping you from being free. No one is free "one day". Freedom is now or never. When it comes, it will be now. Why wait for a later Now? The mind is feeding you this thoughts: "I almost understand but I am just not there yet, almost. Let me just do some more searching, some more contemplation, some more listening, pondering. I don't have the realization yet, but in time it will come, if grace lets me". In truth, it is just opposite to that. You DO have the realization (everyone does, because only oneness is), but you don't understand. That is perfectly alright because Oneness is not for the mind to understand. It is unknowable and miraculous. It is aliveness, no one understands this. So don't wait for understanding to happen, it will never come. Just lose this thought about needing to understand or about not yet understanding and identify and lose the attachments you still have for the separation. You DO have the realization. It is what you experience right here now, only without the mind and separation It is very ordinary and incredibly miraculous at the same time. Not to the mind though, not to any one. Only in Oneness. With love, Paul.
@@paulmetdebbie447 Paul, please receive my thankfulness for this awakening from the obsessed mind, the hipinose that blinds the awareness and perpetuate its dominion. Thank you for the wake up call for here and Now! It brought Me back! Feels like a weight was lifted off. Time and time again surely I will read your message, it says all, so simple and yet profound and liberating. Love, Isabel
You have to Be Love. As you are being Love then what you look at you Love whether it be a the sky or a flower or a Person. You Love because you Are that.
That is because there still is an "I" that thinks there is separation. The world is not the problem, it is the person who thinks the world is separate, "other". Go beyond that and the family dissolves as well as the I. The world is an illusion - Only Brahman is real - Brahman is the world. As soon as you realize this fully (especially the last part), Freedom reappears. Substitutie the word "world" for *family" and you will see. You are not a circle, perforated or not. Go even beyond that. This is the problem with metaphores like that, They are food for the mind and prevent going all the way. This will only prolong your quest. You are already whole. If you put Oneness as a destination in your souls GPS, it will say: "You have reached your destination". That is because you never departed. There is not a single step to go,it is intimate, No path, no metaphores, no words. You are already it. Only the thought that you are not (yet) separates you from realization. Lose it.
@@paulmetdebbie447 Thank you so much for your lovely thoughtful reply, I really do know and perceive all as one and constantly feel the matrix that pervades everything without separation. However, there’s a paradox, that despite the realisation of non duality, there is a need to function and survive in this world of duality. The Taoists make the point that you only know yourself by how you interact with others and I think this is the most challenging sadhana ! 🙏🏻
@@pallasathena6552y Thank you. Yes, but this paradox is only in the mind as well. Interaction with the world (which is Brahman) happens best by itself. There is no doing in this. There is no inter-action, oneness is not two so there is no "inter". There are many dual commentaries on the dao, but what can be said about dao is not the real dao. There is no knowing the self. Only the Self is. I can recommend The DAO of Christ, in my view the most nondual translation of dao philosophy. Written by Marshall Davis.
@@paulmetdebbie447 Ah thank you, so interesting and thought provoking and I will check out the book. I do understand Atman is Brahman and it’s wonderful to dissolve those boundaries. I feel though, without the awareness of some sense of self, life on earth would cease. Why would there be this great multiplicity of form if it’s individual identity was meaningless, (even if it is maya!). 🙏🏻
@@pallasathena6552 If detachment is non-separation orientated, doesn't this allow a more thoughtful action? The end result being true to that process, and the process itself now considered and tweaked without value attachments being asserted, including to the result. If it doesn't work fix it. Care for all instead of a little part, that separation is comparison with its value assertions. Never compare people against other people, but a process can be compared I think..love to know your thoughts on this, something of a beginner here. Edit: or anyone else's thoughts as well :)
This is a very funny comment indeed. But eventually, the mind will get bored with anything, even with its concept of what love is, and start looking for something else to do or feel. There is the story of God and the Devil who watch man pick up something beautiful in the desert. "Aha", God says, "now man has found the truth, there is nothing for you to do". "On the contrary", says the Devil, "I will help him organize it ". Only Love doesn't get bored because this is no process of the mind. It is the substratum of all being and it needs no mind. It is timeless.
@@paulmetdebbie447 i 😉 understand what your saying. Love isn't something to be possessed nor does it possess. It wouldn't be Love if so. But here "i" + "Love" is being used in a practical & non possessive way. Call it a conscious "I" not a conditioned "i" used in relationship with another to communicate to them and maybe to break through the barrier of ones unconscious, false, conditional, controlling & punishing view of what they believe and call "love". Conscious Love - is not possessive, controlling, conditional, conditioned or dependent. 🌻
@@nobodyreally Yes it is hard to point to oneness in dual words indeed. So it is possible to say "I love you but I don't need you" as a matter of speech, but only when Oneness could say this, while actually meaning "loving is". And it appears as if Oneness needs or wants multiplicity of forms, and it this way they "need" eachother. But let's not go there, for we don't know what Oneness is and how it Works.
"I love you, but I don't need you" ? Really? Relationship advise in stead of Wholeness? Love needs no words. It is miraculous in every way. Love shows itself in many ways, all are an expression of the One. Who is to judge which expression of love is personal, and which is Devine? Only the separating mind would do such. Let's not go there, Show love to every one, no matter who or what understanding your mind thinks they have. Love is not about levels. We know nothing. Let love work its miracles in all the ways it sees fit.❤️
You know what you mean to me?! You mean so much to me, so much, I can´t describe, it seems to be more than love and it seems to be more stronger. You mean so much to me, you´re like a rainbow in the sky, cause you´re the one I wanna hold and you are the one I miss at night. You mean so much to me, you are every breathe I take. You mean the world to me and the fire that burns inside me. You mean too much to me, sometimes it mades me hurt, cause I know we should be together, forever and ever! So hold me tight, make me dream of you at night, take your arms around me, and show me how it wanna be to feel me next to mine, when our sun starts to shine. Hatuk Hill
To the questioner Sage. We are on the same page. Few people understand when I tell them that I love the killer, even though I don't like what the killer has done. People tend to not understand that. I agree with Rupert. Love and like are not the same thing. And... You can love everyone and still have a committed relationship with someone you like (and of course, love as well), if you and your partner share the same understanding. (Or so I imagine, no experiential evidence, as of yet).
There is no killer, there is no killed. There is only what happens. There is no one that loves and no one that is loved. There is no difference as in loving and liking, this is all in the mind. Ask yourself Who is thinking this. There is only Love. Stop imagining. Realization is not an evidence of anything. It is what happens when separating mind stops. There is no "yet". All these thoughts and mind activity is what stands between the apparent you and realization, because it creates an apparent you separate from realization. It is a mirage however. And you know what happens to mirages don't you? Look at them closely and they suddenly vanish. This is "liberation" which is an illusion as well, because there never was real separation, only in the.mind which is the mother of all illusions.
@@theindigopickle One does not. Stopping happens. Not-minding happens. It is no doing, any doing will reinforce the mind. It s not the person/mind who realizes liberation, it is Oneness that realizes the illusion of the person. But it can start with not taking any thought (and images are thoughts as well, and feelings also) seriously. Cut down on the I, me, my -thoughts and honor the i, -here, now- thoughts. Don't believe the mind, it is never right. If you google paul jordaans and Realization you will find one of my recent Tales about nonduality. On our website (together with my wife Debbie) you will find many more. Perhaps helpful, I hope.
@@paulmetdebbie447 So.. who are you talking to then? Who are you inviting to listen to your talks? Who are you telling to "stop with the I, me, etc."? If there are no apparent others and nothing happens and nothing can happen, then who are you talking to? And how is it that you and your wife supposedly realized, but no one else is? You seem to be talking in circles and promoting your (I, me, etc.). I initially commented to the person in the video, about living in a world where most people feel like they are separate and when you understand that and they don't, it can be difficult to get that across, to have a relationship. And you respond by trying to tell me what to do to get enlightened. Why do that? What makes you the authority on the matter?
@@theindigopickle There is no one talking or writing. Talking and writing happens from oneness to oneness. The person is not important, it is an illusion. Words are dual by nature and can cause misunderstanding for the mind. There was a question about stopping imagining and an answer came. For no one. Realization and liberation happens to no one. There is no person who gets liberated or enlightened, there is Oneness that realizes the illusion of the person and there is the ending of the seemingly separate person. There is no authority in Oneness and no proof. No need to take any words or authority for granted, not these words or any other words. No need to follow, only try out for yourself. You are free in that already, no one or nothing can limit you or tell you what to do. Use the pointers that come your way or not, it is immaterial. There are many liberated people around who might resonate with you. Eckhart Tolle, Nisargadatta, Ramana Maharshi were my inspiration to explain what happened, but they did not cause anything to happen, it was already so. But there are many more communications. In the end, this is not important either, because liberation does not come from reading or understanding, but from realization. Oneness ends the person. It might happen, or not. There is nothing the person can do to bring it about. And there is nothing to gain in it. Liberated or not, both are expressions of the One and they are equally good. For the mind, this is all incomprehensible, which is no problem because it is not for the mind anyway.
3:00 _"... pain of separation ... "_ The pain of human existence. Your very life. Your depression. Be grateful for it. 7:06 _"... people mix up liking someone ... with loving someone ..."_ 1, Maybe in that case you should not say "loving SOMEONE". "Liking someone" but only "loving". 2, But the "liking" can ease that fckng pain quite much, can't it ? (That is why this life gives it so rarely ... it does want you to suffer.)
I would add, insofar as you believe you have a “truer view on life” than that other person, let that go. I am referring to the separation that may sneak into an otherwise unity-minded awareness; the separation in the form somewhat like, “I get it, but these others, they don't get it.”
..but how can you love someone that hates you and trying to destroy your/the world ? that s a tough one. either we like it or not evil/suffering exists in the world. so i wish you to have a marvelous quest of peace, love and happiness. to everyone
It will not happen. When there is realization (not "our"), there is no comparing and judging. The personal element disappears. There are still preferences though on the level of body. Wholeness does not mean Sameness. There is love, and there is also love for my wife. She and I are whole, but not same. My body would not feel attracted to her if she would look the same as I. This is biology working by itself, it is natural. Nature enjoys diversity and plays with the forms. This play is fully accepted and no resistance will arise when realization is. There are no mind-made stories about this anymore. The love is not personal, it is the Love shared in oneness. The being will still feel more comfortable in situations and with (illusory) "persons" that reflect the love of oneness more clearly than others. It will feel more comfortable without hunger, thirst or fatigue. But there is no action or doing or story-making about this. Eating, drinking and sleeping will happen naturally, and lovemaking also. When there is realization, questions like yours won't happen anymore. First take care of this, then see what is still there. With the dissolving of the mind, all these mind-made question will disappear as well, don't worry about this.
@@viatrufka to take apart confers duality. Unity is when you can transcend your limited finite ego and plug into your infinite soul. Now you can truly meld with the energy of the person that loves you. When I do spiritual healing, if my client lets me in, our energies can meld and it’s a Divine experience. If the client is unable to lift their veil, our energies do not meld.
Seeing the same awareness in others still needs the understanding of the separate self to have boundaries to prevent exploitation. Boundaries require a lot of effort, resistance, and discipline to raise children, especially if they are the type that break boundaries all the time. Our separate self is about survival. Secondly, your awareness of awareness is not going to be matched by 99% of the population. Also, intimate relationships are practical and based on NEED. If finances aren't good, and this may be superficial, and it is, because it's predatory, many intimate relationships have to end. Probably, the best way to look at relationships is to be more easily satisfied and flexible with life challenges to make a longer lasting intimate relationship. All so called Enlightenment attainments have to have a knowledge of the predator world that is very real.
Human beings are wired to chose a special love / craving, at least for a while. That's Nature's amazing trick to assure the survival of the human species: territoriality and jealousy until the offsprings are born, at least. The bonding hormones that are released when touching, eye gazing, cuddling, mating, tend to fade away after about 2 years and a half (the duration to conceive offsprings), and so does our biological interest for the other parent.
It seems to me: if you are identified with the body, you will see yourself as separate. I “ know “ I am not this body, but years of conditioning leaves remnants of this mis conceived feeling .
@@awakenotwoke7949 It is realized. There is no I. But to say it as a matter of normal speech, yes it is my realization. Since 2002 I lost almost the entire mind, although it managed to cling to some leftovers. In 2011 final realization happened. And, as it goes with realization, retroactively, so the realization also is that is was never different for the separation is being seen trough as never really existing. I like to call this realization in stead of experience, for experience is temporal and realization is timeless. I recently wrote a Tale about this, called Experience, belief, trust, intuition and realization (liberation): a little nondual dictionary. I can't write down the internet link here because youtube will remove it, but if you google paul jordaans realization you will find our website, and many tales about nonduality. Hope you enjoy and may they be helpful pointers to get you out of your mind completely.
“You gotta dumb it down to them, they ain’t enlightened.” “Their love isn’t the collective ‘Our Love’, their love means well, but ain’t ‘Our Love’.” “They like you, you’re not actually loved unless it’s this flavor.“ “You gotta convince em, get them on board.” “I don’t need you, that’s love.” What is the act of an expression love if you don’t believe that expressing it in conventional ways is ‘Love’? If telling someone that you understand love is there already and you don’t need them, what’s going to happen if they’re not on the same page? This isssss spiritual bypassing. If everyone was on the same page, and everyone was disconnected to conventional reality at this level, that would be pretty boring. This feels like living in animal state of being conscious, but choosing to live unconscious of what is happening around you and participating in it while still recognizing in your heart and essence that we are all made of the same stuff. That’s my opinion.
When there is realization, "anyone" will disappear. Doing will disappear. Love will be without conditions and automatically, by itself. No doing is required. The flower is not doing fragrance, it is just flowering. The sun is not doing heat, it is just Sunning. Oneness is just Being and Loving. Doing is a verb that refers to some who does, but this someone is illusory and only exist in the mind. The separated "one" vanishes and nothing is required anymore, everything will just happen as intended by Oneness, completely free and unpredictable, as in a drunken play. But there is innate and unknowable intelligence in this, there is no agenda, just to Be. Not to Be is no question anymore.
I don’t accept the One universal consciousness, nor the one being. Once my brain 🧠 ceases, all that was me ends. Yes, our Ego is illusionary. But we have a physical body with limited evolutionary senses that provides a simulation of our reality. Peace.
And who is talking? Who is there to see or own the brain? To differentiate between Oneness and the "I", the brain, me, ego, body? To not accept oneness? Must be the mind, that thinks it is the body to have for us. No one knows what happens when the brain ceases. Oneness is unknowable. So indeed you are right, it can't be accepted. But also it needs no one's acceptance. It is beyond all needs and thinking and experience. It is not the person who comes to the realization of Oneness, it is Oneness that realizes the Illusion of the person and returns to itself.. But the mind can never grasp this, because it is the illusion. No illusion can disspell itself. The only thing the mind can do, is vanish, stop. This will indeed happen when the brain ceases, but what happens then is unknowable miracle. Aliveness never ceases however, because it is not personal. The mind can also stop when it is found out to be an illusion. The body/brain don't have to die for that.
They do. It is scattered into philosophy and psychology or psychiatry in the West but it doesn't work because since Descartes they do it with the mind. It is called advaita in the East and this is very revealing because it is seeing through the mind. Then the mind stops and Joy reappears. Some Western philosophers points to oneness as well, for instance the old Greek pre-platonics, Plato himself and Martin Heidegger. Also Michel de Montaigne, David Hume and Baruch Spinoza were not so much "in the mind" and found a lot of oneness. Arthur Schopenhauer was very cynical about the human condition and thought there was solace and truth in the Arts, and that last aspect he was right. But he never found the transcending element. Carl Jung was very interested in eastern oneness, but in the end he didn't dare to do the planned visit to Ramana Maharshi for he was afraid that all his knowing would turn out to be seen through and fake, and he was afraid of losing his standing and job as famous psychiatrist. Very funny story to read. So he clung to his own (wrong) definition of ego. Joy is what I find the underlying reality of aliveness. The ego is the illusory construct superimposed on that. It causes illusion of separation. Separation is suffering. Suffering comes in the form of losing oneself in happiness and misery (the rollercoaster of human experience). So we should study Joy.
The meaning of love is found in first Corinthians ch.13 in the Bible. People think this man has divine inspiration but he doesn't he's a fraud and so are his beliefs.