What is the true meaning of "Song" in Yang-Style Taiji Quan? 

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@@milehigh61You are absolutely correct. Henry creates the illusion of teaching but doesn't teach the methods (or much of anything really) and that is why I gave up on him a long time ago. One thing I will say is that, simply being exposed to someone at that level and having a chance to physically experience what is possible is, in itself, valuable. For that I am eternally grateful because knowing Henry set me down a path of searching that I almost certainly would have given up on had I not met him. It also gave me the ability to be able to differentiate between the authenticity of an Adam Mizner or Liang De Hua and all the other nonsense that gets passed off as "Tai Chi". It took 15 years of constant training with various teachers before I found Adam Mizner and discovered that there is no mystery to it... the correct "methods" have to be trained and the time has to put in. Unfortunately teachers who both know and teach the correct methods are VERY VERY rare! It is really quite shocking that virtually every Tai Chi school on the planet talks the talk, says all the right things and, yet don't actually practice anything that is even remotely authentic. Coincidentally Mizner's training gave me the tools to recognize another high level Wu practitioner in Vancouver by the name of Wing Mei Gu (who actually teaches a lot of the traditional methods).

@@milehigh61 Can I ask, where do you teach? I've been keeping an eye out for any opportunity to work with people who have trained in Mizner's system.

@@milehigh61 P.s. I've even considered relocating.

@@milehigh61 I''m in Vancouver Canada. Strangely, even though, Vancouver has as long a deep Tai Chi history, I haven't been even been able to find any Mizner students to train with.

@@milehigh61 I attended Mizner's workshop in Washington in 2018. Since then I have been working through his online course. At the same time I came to the realization that a local Wu practitioner, who I had worked with for a few years before (who had studied directly under Ma Yue Liang amongst many others), was a lot more knowledgeable than I had realized. He tended to only reveal the deeper stuff if you showed an interest and asked the right questions so I hadn't realized how deep his knowledge was . Upon discovering my interest in the standing work (and recognition of it's importance) , he spent about a year taking me through the Wu standing exercises in great detail and with priceless hands on direction. So, for almost two and a half years I have been training two systems (everyday). I have been taking advantage of the "hands on" I get from my Wu teacher while, at the same time working though Mizner's standing, song gongs and stretches. I had intended to stick with the Wu form (which I had already been training for a number of years) but, as the logic and coherence of Mizner's system became more and more apparent, I finally dropped the Wu altogether and train all of his stuff (minus the two person work because there is no one around to work with). In addition I am now working through his meditation course. There is absolutely no question that Mizner's system is flat out the most accurate and coherent system I have ever encountered. (the Wu system is also quite good but, it's too haphazard). Interestingly the principles of the Wu standing directly mirrored Mizner's work. In fact, he took me quite a bit further. I talk on line to Mizner quite often and at one point he asked me to describe the process I was going through during standing practice. I was a little apprehensive and expected him to shoot me down because, the worst thing one can do is not heed or to modify his instructions. He was quite pleased when I told him the process I was using (which was a blend of what he teaches with some of the deeper things in the Wu curriculum) and said these where the exact same things he taught later in the process (and correct). Anyway, I am now completely immersed in his system.

Thanks for watching!

My pleasure! Keep on!

Chen fist is beiquan, not taijiquan.

@@TheBuddyShowWorldwide what is beiquan?

If you can understand what is Song after only 3 years you would be very lucky. Most people will never get there. Or at least not very far into it. In a way it is like building a muscle. You can develop more Song ability over time.

@@lgv3051 The base of taiji is the long fist (from the north, therefore beiquan). The Chen style is less internal than the Yang Style, especially canon fist, therefore it is just more difficult, not impossible to get to the internal feelings. However with a good teacher it is as easy as other taiji styles

@@lgv3051 Northern fist. Chen Fist is not taijiquan. Taijiquan comes from Yang Luchan via Ch'en Chang-hsing. Chen Fist comes from Emperor's Long Fist. Ch'en Chang-hsing taught both I believe. Nowhere prior to Yang is taijiquan mentioned in the Chen family. Cen village as the origin of taijiquan is an invention of the CCP.

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That’s means your an imbecile, why would you Make an opinion before watching?

This paragraph sounds like a transcript of someone coming out of anaesthesia.

@@Gramercy_Stiffs 😂😂😂

In Wu style they dont train Zhan Zhuang or in low stances but they are quite good also. In Chen style they train it a lot but they are not realy good with internals. I guess it has not much to do with it.

I really like the way Chen Zhong Hua explains "song" in a practical manner. There is no "song", there is only "peng". This way there is no "noodle" student from the beginning. There must be strength in "song", something I had difficulty understanding at the beginning. You must have strength and relax at the same time. Having low postures help you get the strength, higher postures helps you relax. Based on my own experience, it is easier to build strength first and then relax maintaining this strength ("peng"), than trying to relax ( use "no strength") and hope strength (and "peng") will come out of it. Building strength is good for the body structure too.

@@Gieszkanne I think it depends on what kind of low stances we're talking about. Zhan Zhuang is often used as an umbrella term to describe stance training, but there's a large variety of different methods that produce different results. The same goes for low stances where it can be different in some Shaolin training, Chen style, some Yang style etc... From what I've experienced, the Chen style village style low stances are quite different from the Yang style I've done, so the results would be somewhat different too. I like some of the Wu style I've seen, and I do believe that you perhaps don't need low stance training to get internal training, but I've found the low basin training I've done to be extremely helpful in getting there... which is why I asked about Liang's teachings.

@@QuentinKLEau This is my understanding too. One of my teachers use to say that there is no Taiji without Peng Jin. Cheers.

@@QuentinKLEau I don't want to sound like an authority, because I'm not, but your use of terminology doesn't seem consistent with what higher level masters or sifus describe and demonstrate. This Sifu Liang De Hua or Adam Mizner, for example, talk about peng as just one manifestation or type of jin. There are many types of jin, and peng doesn't mean strength (li). It's usually translated as fullness, as in a balloon that is filled with air and has a kind of bouncy resistance on its outer surface. Song or sung is usually translated as release, differentiated from mere relaxation. So sung might allow someone to peng, but building strength is the opposite of that. Maybe you mean "power" rather than "strength". I do think you're getting at this when you talk about sung being strong and not a "noodle" of limpness. As Mizner says, language fails us in trying to express these subtle expressions of energy.

This isn't about verbal cues or fakery, which is obvious by the effort of the interviewer against sifu. It's not direction, it's explanation. Do you really think the interviewer has been fooled by preconditioning?

@@timj9418 I'm saying I have seen a pattern in many of these videos that promote this style. That pattern being influence through suggestion. Human beings are very susceptible to such things.

For authentic transmission of martial arts skills you need to feel it with your own body. I don't blame you for being skeptical.

​@@Gramercy_Stiffs I'm sure you've seen videos of people in various styles, not just Tai Chi, who cooperate with their teacher/master to make them look good. If you check this and other videos with this sifu, you'll find the interviewer with The Martial Man describing how he felt without prompting or even further comments from Sifu Liang De Hua. In other cases, the sifu tries to distinguish between various conditions by stating which one he's going to utilize, but that's not quite the same as directing or preconditioning someone. I know humans are susceptible to influence, so I don't discount that. But you can tell by the interviewer's reactions that he is being powerfully affected in a way that he is not faking and that is not simply influenced by prior suggestion. If you can't distinguish between those responses, you'll never be able to evaluate videos like this dealing with internal power. Sure, there are more fakers than genuinely powerful masters. But you will be better able to evaluate videos if you can interpret physical reactions and also have experienced something similar in person.

That's cos it's fake and hes telling his actor what he wants him to do

Than all you need as an opponent is a needle : )

@@Gieszkanne Ah, but then you'll be blown away or flooded by the release of all that stored energy. Be careful what you joke about.

So song is heavier and acts as a keel when released down and pun is lighter and keeps the peng structure(fills the baloon)?

😂😂 nope, he’s serious...

@@davydtaylor4151 I legit gave it a shot snd tried to be open minded cause he had the authentic looking Asian dude but now that I see it I wish I hadn’t. This is so lame that my penis actually shrank one inch, it’s gone and I am never getting it back. This video took ten minutes of my life and legitimately shrank my penis

@@tommyb1938 😂 you best make sure you don’t watch anymore of his videos then bud or you’ll have nothing left at all.

You ask important questions. I studied Wing Chun for two years and have practiced Tai Chi Chuan for much longer than that. But I don't want to presume to be an authority on this subject, so you might get a better response from someone at a higher level. What I'll say, from what I know, is that Tai Chi can be extremely powerful in actual combat situations if it's someone who has practiced extensively for such application. The sifu in the video is a good example of that. It's a style that is responsive rather than aggressive, using the other person's energy against them. But unlike Wing Chun, higher level Tai Chi incorporates much more internal power and less "technique" and force to counter and defeat an opponent. It takes a long time to cultivate that kind of internal power, and most never reach that level, relying more on hard style technique or being well short of capable enough to defeat an MMA fighter, for example. One of the people I know and studied with has actually specialized in training MMA fighters using Tai Chi principles. Yes, push hands is a kind of two-person practice similar to sticky hands. It's fun and useful in developing Tai Chi principles. But of course, it's far from the advanced practice of free form sparring that might come later. What Tai Chi people have that Wing Chun and other kung fu folks usually don't have, in my opinion, is that very mysterious energy force that you see some of in this demonstration video. This sifu is very good. But if you've never experienced that energy I mentioned, you may not be able to believe it. It seems unreal until you actually engage with someone who has that kind of extraordinary power and ability to use it.

@@timj9418 i believe it and actually i tried myself on a taichi person too , well of course that s a old story , but comes to combat part i can see he lacks of sparring training , or maybe advanced taichi level does not require sparring training anymore , i dont know it s definitely not my level so not gonna judge that . but for my personal level I had learnt some chu shongtin lineage, CST system who was called king of little idea by GM yip man, he studied taichi as well when he was young , but he prefered wingchun for some reasons , yes taichi advanced level obviously very powerful although it looks mystery very hard to understand for beginners, but it s hard to train as well so my conclusion, when only talk wingchun and taichi , wingchun way looks more practical and easier to get , but as long as you develop more internal stuff, maybe things getting much easier ,but way to there is not easier lol IMAO

Practice & it'll come

@@joewong5136 it's what my teacher told us almost every lesson. The problem is not to lose the hope.

Two men can lift a dead body. I dont think that two men can lift this master!

It is another level in the application of the fascia, maybe you might like to take a serious look at this.

Keeping a healthy mind in Goju-Ryu is also very important, it strengthens your ability to move into stable Sanchin stance when you need those, then the other fluid reactions will come when you learn that your controlled breaths will keep your movements and never run out of breath. When those are no longer of interests, you can learn again the other applications of what is discussed in these videos.

3 years for small achievement, 5 years should give you real skill. Stupid hands, to Smart hands, to Mysterious hands.

This is an appetizer only. Yes, it takes dedication, but so does any decent martial art. It's subtle and complex, yes. But the challenge is not insurmountable. It does not take decades, just consistent dedication, and some accomplish this in a relatively short time with full application.

Everyone is capable of learning anything we all have neuroplasticity. It is only our attitudes that encourage or discourage learning. You cant have complexity without simplicity or vice versa and neither are inherently good or bad. Complexity is the details of life, simplicity is the starting points of these details.

I'm not the greatest exponent of taiji, but ibcould make you wonder what a real master was capable of. Understand? Where there is faith, people benefit. Wan lv

Weighs about four kilos so it’s only choice is to run away. Is that what you mean? Does the cat run away?

@@averagejoe9642 it feels heavy

@@JohnMartin-jx1wz No it doesn’t, it tries to press its weight to the surface. It’s a muscle flex that a cat and some other animals can do. But they still only weigh about 4 kilos. You can still pick them up very easily. it’s really not a difficult task

@@averagejoe9642 your cat is defective

Watch the power of chi movie

I have never trained a day I my life, I will put 40k that this shit wouldn’t work on me!

The bald headed guy seen in this video has Bjj andd ground wrestling experience. As well as Muaythai and wingchun. Bjj and Tai chi now have an alliance in some martial arts schools because of this. Keep up with the times please.

you can make up any excuse you want instead of just relaxing. there is no bottom to relaxing. if you can’t do it, you can’t do it.

Yes there are differences but those are brought about by a change in state of body and mind. The "magic" is in turning a complex "x, y, and z" concept into something that can be felt instead of something that must be calculated. In a fight you don't have much time to think so having trained your state of body and movement to automatically make adjustments makes much sense though too advanced for most to grasp.

@@jasonsecretsword7606 .... cool. i’m saying, “ get the feeling and the xyz appears”. once it’s there it’s there. you will spend years sinking and developing root and how much you have taught yourself is immediately available whenever you want. it does take years of this doesn’t work, that doesn’t work, you might have to try almost every wrong way until only the right way is left. no bottom to relaxation, no end to practice.

@@oakstgorillas my response was for Botanical... and yes I have many yrs of cultivating root. Without the root nothing works not even peng. I have been working lately with an internal WC school and learned to shrink my zhongding into a single floating point as opposed to ground rooted heaven to earth line. This can only occur once ground root (requiring sung) is understood at more than surface level.

Yup there are minute adjustments. They are made when the body automatically adjust modes to natural / relaxed state. Good observation.

You have no idea. These explanations are exactly right.

On a basic level all effort needs to be "relaxed" and stretched into as opposed to using tension to generate. If you are pulling then relax into the pull, if you are pushing or striking relax into it while sinking root. Specific training is needed to gain a sense of root and a mind state is gained over time allowing for a different state of body. They say to get good in Taiji you must "invest in weakness" that is to understand that when done correctly it will be weak at first when tested vs raw muscular force. Mayby someone just getting some peng can only hold 15 lbs before requiring resistance. So they should train with that weak 15lbs of strength without cheating and using Li or muscular force. This new weak but elastic body must be cultivated and strengthened by engaging it in ways it can excersise like push hands and even Fa-jin once it is strong enough from training.

Buddy Tripp Hi, like many things sometimes it comes down to how we interpret things, and relate them to our understanding. For instance, root and sinking. When relaxing internally, I feel an internal wave of relaxation that flows downward. It can move quickly, or gently, and slower. For true understanding one needs to experience these states to avoid misunderstandings. For some things teachers that can show you, and help your understanding are most important. I would love to find such a teacher in Victoria, B.C.

Jason Secretsword Your explanation is helpful, and I appreciate it. Thank you.

@@lenwenzel7440 glad it helped. I am no expert but have been on the path for many years. I hope someday to learn a complete system from someone like Sifu Liang De Hua with deep understanding of how to gain, refine as well as apply at high level.

It perhaps cannot be understood by the mind without trying it. Take the online course of Adam Mizner, but it will take years.

practice, practice, practice!

@@oakstgorillas relax relax .....

Takes long time to discover/learn, but gives you great benefits😊

different minds with different goals.

all wrestlers are using it without using the taiji model, like many people can speak without having studied grammar. However when you know the grammar rules you may express yourself better. Then the problem with the people studying taiji is they spend all their time studying the grammar thinking they can write books, whereas the MMA fighters are writing books, knowing a little grammar. Take your pill, depends on what you are looking for.

@@QuentinKLEau I taught my friend who was an All State wrestling champion from Montana push hands so I would have someone to train with and w/o Taiji as a foundation he was free pushing with me in just a few short weeks of having his Li force fail to affect me and adjusting. Wrestling is similar though crude and unrefined it can grant rudimentary listening skills similar to Taiji.

@@jasonsecretsword7606 I do agree, taiji is more subtle.

Yeah they are literally allowing their structure to collapse when normally they would be holding most of it up themselves and so they get more awkward heavier and more difficult to carry. At work in the nightclubs bouncing Ive had to lift up overdose victims and its way different to picking up a conscious opponent, it's like grabbing a water bed instead of a solid mattress. Remember with unconscious people if there are two of you one holds under the shoulders and the other under the legs. Don't both try to grab the shoulders because it doesn't work and you will end up accidentally head butting someone while they are unconscious like I did. Basically if you have one person on each shoulder the head will keep falling to either side each time one of you moves whereas if you have both shoulders yourself with another person on the legs you can keep their head and body balanced much much easier. And if you need to carry someone by yourself, keep your hands against your own body and pick the person up under their shoulders, you should be able to pick up probably as much as you can squat because with your arms against your own body they are basically locked into the structure of your body and its mainly your legs doing the work. You walk backwards in this position and allow their feet to drag on the ground (unless the ground is a hazard).

Lol That's the most unscientific statement a person could make. An actual scientist wouldn't dismiss something without actually testing it and verifying it. But you got a whole range of bullshit excuses to not do that don't ya? So its better for you to not actually know, that way you can just keep making up stuff. Its like when people online think they are doing science by watching some pseudo science conspiracy like 5g in the covid vaccination or thinking that monetary value actually measures value instead of just making it up. Imagine a scientist using money maths to do their experiments. Remember when scientists generalised all forms of quality into one unit of relative arbitrary numerical quantity? Yeah me neither.

@@symbolsarenotreality4595 I have video evidence to examine. Anybody with a rudimentary understanding of physics and body mechanics can see these techniques don't add up. It is a free country, if you're not in Australia, and you can believe what you want. If you are interested in learning martial arts for self defense then I suggest you go a gym that focuses on physical conditioning, striking, and grappling and leave the mystical arts for the movies. I wish you success in your martial arts journey.

@@umrengnr None of what you said made any sense or provided any evidence or reasoning to support your assertion. Try again buddy.

@@symbolsarenotreality4595 What force can hold a 110lb man to the ground so a 200lb man cannot pick him up after he already proved he can do so? You can see in his leg muscles and general level of strain that he isn't trying. This is like someone telling me bigfoot is real and then they show me a video of a dude in a gorilla suit with a zipper up the back. I don't need to witness it myself to know it's baloney. The evidence that is being presented to me is obviously fake. The burden of proof is on those making outlandish claims.

Wow that was pissweak, not even an entertaining insult and with no evidence or reasoning, what a surprise lol. So are you there in the video actually testing it out or are you just sitting at home making up bullshit from your predetermined bias?

No offence but if something is fake or not depends on the expectations of the viewer. If you think you are going to see magic then of course it looks fake. If you think you are going to see ringfight application, then of course it looks fake. Its just a guy showing his passion. If you are interrested, then focus on the moments were its obviously working. And not focus on the few times it didnt. Or would you say a mma pro is fake because he gets hit during a fight? Sometimes the guard works, sometimes not.

OK cool, but no one asked you to be here. No one handed you an invoice on your way out and no one asked for your opinion. So, why are you here hating on a man sharing his passion and life's work with the world? Perhaps you can work on developing a level of maturity that allows you to just allow other people to be and do what they want.

Well don't quit your day job to become a comedian because laughing mindlessly at stuff you dont understand or haven't experienced is not a form of comedy, its just reactive hysteria

For starters see the video : World Series Tai chi push hands 2022 ( match 1l, (match 2), ( match 3) Nicco Alsup true Tai chi push hands". Match 3 is against a bjj black belt.