I don't think Kinshara Butodan should have even been on the list, since his illusions cause physical pain, and most opponents can't just rupture their own eardrums like Mask de Masculine.
I watched your most powerful bankai list a few days ago. Interesting how a few of the most powerful walk a fine line with being the most dangerous/weak bankai.
@@guythat779 Not exactly. As long as you can hear, you're affected by it. And, even if you have a healer with you, is not like any person is willing to destroy their own eardrums, specially when we saw that basically only 3 people(Unohana, Orihime and Kenjiro) are skilled enough in Kido to basically regenerate someone
You forgot to mention that Ikkaku’s Bankai was broken then repaired. Mayuri said it’s been far weaker ever since. I’d feel sad for him if not for the fact that he is probably fine with it, since he wants to be Zaraki’s subordinate forever.
It was weak to begin with. He hadn't ANY seals on his reiatsu and he BARELY win against a Fracciones pretto weak. Heck,even Rangiku had better feat against the Thres Bestias which are undoubtely the strongest Fracciones and possibly comparable to the Privaron Espada.
@@stefanocremonini2656 he also used it against a Rez form Fraccione Rangiku barely injured the Tres Bestia in their base forms and was kinda screwed by said base forms until Hinamori saved her and helped. Not sure how those are comparable let alone why that's better than Ikkaku's feat
@stefano cremonini stop. If Rangiku fought against Edard Liones instead of Ikkaku she would have been killed. Comparing Rangiku from Fake Karakura Town to Edard makes no sense, considering everyone has gotten stronger since Grimmjow and his fraccion invaded.
It's not only Rose's flaw. Almost everyone is explaining their ability constantly. Remember Hirako hiding his Shikai for years just to unload all the info on Aizen?
It always confuses me when people say Shuhei's bankai is weak. It guarantees a tie against literally any opponent. By definition he's not going to use it against those weaker than him, so it's only ever going to be used to force a draw out of someone who would otherwise have beaten him. And that's if he can't figure out some strategic way to suddenly cancel his bankai and secure the win.
And I like that it is symbolic of his Zanpakuto and Shinigami meaning as a whole. Also like that it's not just some big nuke like Soi Fon's who stops using it to focus on her Shunko.
Not really, it just takes someone having an ability or item that doesn't require reiatsu, or a friend, and he's done for. It's powerful but it's pretty bad to use if you don't have any proxies and you don't know if they do or don't.
He didn't really say his bankai was weak, just that he was a little unsure of it's potential. I can tell you wrote that comment before you even finished vid, lol
I like the concept of a weak Bankai because we are led to believe that it takes hundred and thousands of years to attain and master a bankai and a lot of the shinigami on this list and the ones we’ve met throughout the series are fairly “young” captains and bankai users. It leads to believe that a lot of these draw backs could be eliminated with more training and experience. The evolution of renjis bankai is a perfect example. Going from barely being able to fight a base byakuya coz it was so clumsy. To one shotting a sternritter in its new compact and versatile form.
It makes you appreciate Yamamoto's Bankai. How many hundreds of years of lessons and growth did it take for him to achieve South and North? Even a thousand years ago, he was holding back the power of East and West. It's possible that the first time he achieved Bankai, he got the same "that's not a Bankai, screw you" reaction that Ichigo got, or got slapped down easily.
I’d say most flawed bankai instead of weak. All the bankais listed have great power but the drawbacks almost make them not worth in their current states. Sajin’s in particular grants him almost immeasurable power, but it makes him an even bigger target, and every enemy he faces chooses to ignore him and strike the city sized giant construct. If his bankai amped his defensive abilities made him tankier it’d be worth it, or at least removed the shared damage altogether, but it doesnt.
If he could coordinate with his own Bankai and use it to tag team against an opponent I think it'd be far more interesting. It would probably be extremely difficult to wield effectively, but if he could I think it would make it very powerful and extremely cool to watch.
Which would make them the most weak… if you put the rock in a room with Superman, does that make the rock weak? No but he’s the weakest in that room. The bankai here are the weakest, he never said outright weak
fr like people forgetting its 100m tall so that shit gotta weigh like 100 plus tons and when it swings is like 100 tons plus gravity and momentum and stuff = alot of stronk
Not even that. If Sajin invested in some great Kido, he would basically have the great of both worlds. As his Bankai is the only one who also heals with the user, if he pulled an Unohana and learned Kido to cure himself mid battle, he could overcome almost any damage done to him, while his opponent has basically no way to cure themselves. Or, if he had a lieutenant with Kido speciality to server as his aid in that
Ichigo's original Bankai. Oh, don't me wrong, its still damn cool to this day with the black blade and that awesome Neo-esque coat that he is wearing. But other than that, it does quite literally nothing other than speed him up and change Getsuga Tenshou from blue to red. Its kind of amusing in restrospect (given what we later learn about its true nature) that Byakuya's first response upon seeing it was, ''you are lying to me. That thing absolutely cannot be your Bankai.''
Kubo nerfed the hell out of him. Went from speed blitzing Byakuya to getting washed by base Grimmjow an arc later. And then Byakuya is later able to keep up with the fastest sonido user😂😂
@@oh-turkeybird eh, zenkai boosts are def a thing in bleach. The Byakuya in the arrancar arc was stronger than the soul society one. It seems like the soul reapers as a whole beefed up their training after the ichigo&co invasion
I actually was thinking the same thing. It's just a stat buff and nothing else. I still hope that this is specifically because it was not a true bankai and that if we ever see more of him that there is more to his true bankai than we have seen so far. It'd be very cool if there were some sort of trick to it, something more interesting than just fast guy with sword.
@@greyborg3846 Especially since we know that Getsuga Tenshou is a Shiba family attack that his dad knows too so it's not even unique to him, and his moves were all things that Zangetsu came up with before Ichigo did, or basic expressions of his powers. We've never seen Ichigo do something that is uniquely based on his personality with his fake or real Bankai, the way that every other Shinigami's Bankai is an expression of their true selves for better or worse.
I actually really like Kensei's Bankai. If he were fighting any other Sternritter I don't know that they would have survived his punches. It seems to literally eviscerate anything within it's direct vicinity, and Mask De Masculine only survived because he's practically impossible to kill.
Sorry but Kensei is a shit... Kensei bankai + hollow masque destroyed by Wonderweiss no resurrection. :/ Kensei is the true shit captain of Bleach lol. Now we wait Hell arc for see if he can make something or not.
Ichigos bankai after the Soul Society arc is so nerfed. It’s biggest strength is it’s speed but every time it’s shown after the Byakuya fight he’s barely able to keep up with base arrancars and gets speed blitzed by Grimmjow.
Honestly I was happy he got a new Zanpakuto in TYBW and I did like his Fullbring Bankai along with his Dangai form. As those are far more interesting than his Non-Bankai Bankai form
@@PrinceRevolver he’s able to speed blitz Byakuya at full strength twice. If the Espada were quicker than Byakuya at base then that’s one thing but then Byakuya himself goes to head to head with the fastest Espada (7) without issue. Ichigo got nerfed cuz Kubo realized he made him too powerful early on
@@oh-turkeybird zenkai boosts, also its pretty heavily implied soul reapers started actually taking training seriously after the soul society arc. Soul society byakuya is weaker than arrancar.
@Turkey Byakuya wasn't even fighting at full strength when he did that. There are plenty of characters in Bleach who are faster than both Byakuya and Ichigo. How is Ichigo nerfed when that's not even his real bankai. Nor has Ichigo ever trained as a shinigami.
Soi-Fon already made some significant growth with her Bankai. She was able to whip it out and use with ease in the TYBW arc. The backlash was nowhere NEAR as brutal in the FK arc and she could use it in a near death state. It was also stated that BG9's Volsterndig ressurected him, so it did technically kill him. Can't really blame Soi-Fon for him not staying dead. Plus, forget about using it in a direct fight, If she used it like an assassin: bunkering down and using it on an unassuming enemy, it would easily be one of the most deadly and terrifying Bankai in the series. I mean, imagine if Lille used it when sniping the Gotei in the palace invasion arc. He'd have wiped out the entire party in one move. That's the terror of Soi-Fon's Bankai if used properly.
Even in FKT she already made significant improvement with her Bankai, relative to the statements she made on it. 1) Using it once every 3 days -> can use it twice in 1 day. 2) Needing a steel sash to tie herself down -> her Bankai's recoil is too strong for the sash Then again...I question if that's improvement on Jakuho Raikoben per se as opposed to Soifon herself just being significantly stronger than herself the last time she used or trained with the Bankai (improved stamina and Reiatsu to fire multiple shots, and firing stronger shots) as a result of her general training.
Considering speeds at which people of level what would require to be killed with bankai fight, its projectile speed, and it being loud overall, I would say the enemy will be notified about it well before it reaches him
I kinda wish she got a new bankai like the others more akin to her zanpaktou spirit fit with like a scaled down rocket or something but only after accept both sides of her self
The true irony of Ikakku's bankai is that it requires him to be cautious, and delicate, and use more than just brute force, which completely goes against his overall fighting style and code. Sure, he has tools to heal wounds and such but he generally follows his squad ideology of just enjoying the fight and thinking about the consequences later.
That seems to be the theme for Squad 11, though. Their motto is “A good fight no matter what”, and they’re - or at least, the captain and his third and fourth seat - willing to handicap themselves in various ways to ensure a bloody fight. Holding back full power, using only melee, using a counter-intuitive fighting style, whatever it takes.
He also actively dislikes that he has a Bankai, which probably is one of the reasons it is flawed. He thinks that if he reveals that he has a Bankai he will be forced to leave squad 11 for some reason. A bankai that the user does not like does not work well, you see the same issue with Yumichika's Shikai which is magic based but when used in most cases is just extra blades because he does not want to use it. It seems like a moderate amount of therapy would greatly increase the powers of almost every soul reaper.
Actually, it has been shown several times that Ikakku has a fantastic fighting sense and that he is very much cautious. his shikai is a wonderful example of it: a simple but effective weapon in order to manipulate the battlefield to your advantage. And then you get to his bankai. It's the perfect example of who ikakku is: lazy. Lazy to move forward with the spectacular gifts he has, lazy to leave his captain's shadow, and lazy when it comes to taking a fight seriously. Sure, squad 11 code has a part in it, but only a part.
My headcanon is that Ikkaku started using his bankai before he had enough experience and control of it. The result was it was destroyed and can probably never be fixed.
@@BlackangelKatakuri Sure in theory it is possible, but I kinda doubt it would happen. He shouldn't matter enough for the Royal Guard to invite him to the Palace. And Mayuri can obviously cook something out of his ass, but I hope not. I like that it is actually that serious if it breaks.
@@Dragonpuncher123 it did actually get "fixed" by akon. The anime cut this line but when ichigo goes to the research lab post first invasion kurotsuchi says akon managed to superficially repair ryumon hozukimaru but it's much much weaker than before while explaining the permanence of bankai destruction
RIP in pieces Ikkaku's bankai. on another note, I wonder if Soifon's bankai is so unweildy because she doesn't actually train with it. She's definitely expressed her distaste for it so I wouldn't put it past her to not train with it either and thus resulting in what we see in the story. We've seen how bankais can develop over time with training and mastery so I wonder if hers has stagnated because of her preference towards her shikai form.
Yeah probably cuz she mostly used hand to hand combat any since her shikai is kinda of a finisher and with her bankai being a one shot/nuke and limited shots hell yeah it's going to be hard to train
I'm really sad we didn't get to Rose v Tousen. Because if there is one person who would've been susceptible to Rose's bankai, it'd be Tousen. I suspect Kubo would've given Tousen some kind of plot armor to get around it. But the idea of Rose going up against the one person who would be sensitive to sound based illusions is just too good to pass up.
Imagine the panel of Tousen crying because Rose's bankai lets him "see" the illusions and Rose shows him beautiful stuff before pulling out his illusory sword and stabbing him.
I feel like a lot of the time, the Shikai was thought out before adapting it to a Bankai, making them more effective. For example Komamura's Bankai is vulnerable because it's so big, but the Shikai seems to just be the arm and sword appearing out of nowhere, which is way better.
I think this is most visible with Hitsugaya. His shikai is summoning an ice dragon. Neat! And it can do...actually, anything ice related really. And then for his bankai he becomes part ice dragon and that lets him do...the same ice stuf, but more? Its vague andconfusing really. And instead of going Komamura route and just letting the character stay in that state for majority of the story, Kubo keeps adding on weird powers to his bankai and they pile on with less and less sense. A cool pilar of ice. - Rukia already kinda had that, but cool. Controling weather. - Fine. Ice clones. - What? Freezing others abilities - ...what - and it also makes him a grown up!
@@Reqviemus Are we ignoring the fact that he can use the sky as a weapon (against Harribel), nullify abilities, freeze the elements such as air and fire (according to him), allows him to flash freeze and shatter enemies (as seen with Shawlong and Mayuri), and control all water in the atmosphere within his vicinity. His Shikai never came close to these abilities. Same with Komamura's Bankai. It has some massive tactical advantages in terms of defending allies and actually tanking attacks. Imagine someone like Soifon or Ulquiorra launches a nuke at a group of weaker enemies. His bankai can be used as a wall against the attack. And remember, just because his Bankai is tied to Komamura's body, does not mean they share the same durability. What sounds more difficult? Wounding a regular sized man or an armoured giant? There are some tactical advantages that make it more suitable to situations his Shikai cannot handle. Similar to Shinji, Hisagi, Rukia and Rose's Bankai.
I think you can't rank Shuhei's bankai in a normal manner. It's so niche and the ability is so unique. It's also insanely useful in specific situatioms but insanely weak in others. It's so weird and interesting makes it super hard to place.
Yes you can. Its garbage because its useless against a weaker opponent and it in a best case scenario against a Stronger Opponent forces a Draw. Even if he manages to undo it before the combined Reiatsu is depleted he gets the same amount of Reiatsu back as his opponent (percentage wise). So the stronger opponent is still Stronger if a bit more exhausted. Its worse then any Bankai on this list because its "too fair" to the Opponent.
Soifon's bankai might be OP in future, she can barely use it without using up all her reiatsu, she can only use one move and she doesn't have a close relationship with it, which might mean it still hasn't revealed it's true power to her
Soi Fon wants to be a cool assassin surpassing Yoruichi, and she hates her immature outbursts. So her Bankai is literally an immature outburst that she hates to use. If she learns to embrace her true self, I wouldn't be surprised if she learns a totally different name for her Bankai and it becomes way more useful.
Her and her bankai are crippled by the plot to be nothing more than a gauge to show the reader an enemies strength or only able to take out fodder cause she's a supporting character and not well liked so she's not getting any big moments lol
Isn't a zanpakuto suppose to feel weight less to its user? I think if soi fon got a better relationship with her zanpakuto and stopped hating her bankai she could maybe move faster in it.
If Hisoka can make bungie gum OP, which in case you didn't know has the properties of BOTH rubber and gum. Then I'm sure any bankai is viable, no bad bankais just bad users.
I honestly believe that Rukia's bankai is of the same "type" as Yamamoto. Given a few hundred of years to master it it would become one of the most powerful bankai of all time.
@@abhisheknag4773 Rukia's isn't exactly an ice type as much as it has the ability to freeze things. Much like how Yamomto's zanpakto isn't a fire type, but specifically has the power to burn. What I meant more was things like his resurrecting flame zombies and burning away reshi. I think Rukia could have similar types of abilities. Whereas Hyorinmaru will focus more on creating and controlling ice as it gets more powerful.
I think what helps Tensa Zangetsu is the fact that, unlike nearly every other Bankai shown, it doesn't consume so much power to maintain (especially when coupled with Ichigo's already massive reserves). It's one of those helpful factors that prevent it from being so bad like Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō being the only Bankai capable of repair.
The cost initially was that it broke Ichigo's bones in a protracted fight, as a result of all his energy being compressed for so long. Then he gets black getsuga tensho, allowing him a release valve to prevent that from happening. Funnily enough this actually results in Ichigo's bankai being weaker in subsequent appearances, as without the hyper compression of his energy he loses the speed that comes with it in exchange for a bankai that can be used for absurdly long periods with a smaller stat boost.
the fact that komamura's shikai is by far the more useful ability compared to his bankai has always confused me. seriously, his shikai has all of the positives of his bankai with none of the negatives.
I think Shuhei's Bankai could be used more creatively, unless I am misunderstanding something how it works. Does it only attach to a specific person and isolate them? For example, Hisagi could use his Bankai on an ally and then go into battle and he'll be perfectly fine no matter the injuries he takes on.
You know I would have liked if ikakku went to the soul palace to train with renji and ichigo to get his bankai fixed and upgrade some character development would have been nice especially since he ends up becoming the vice captain later on
I'm also going to make a general argument for all of those Bankai that cannot be used because they kill or injure your allies. They are the quintessential definition of ''Awesome but Impractical.'' What good is a nuke that you can only occasionally use when your opponent has a less flashy move that he can nevertheless use against you 100% of the time? I liken it to when Indiana Jones shot the guy waving the swords around.
Totally unrelated to Bleach, but I’ve got a fun fact about the Indiana Jones scene you mentioned: There was supposed to be a full-length sword duel between Indy and the Swordsman(the swordsman is on the original poster for the film, suggesting a bigger role than the scene he ended up with). However, Harrison Ford was suffering from food poisoning during that part of filming, and didn’t feel up to filming such a sequence. He suggested an alternative version where he simply shoots the swordsman and the filmmakers agreed. In the end, this scene became very iconic so it was a good change in the end. It’s also pretty funny too.
Bankai are supposed to be trump cards, it's not something you're supposed to use 100% of the time. It's supposed to be saved for a critical moment where it wins the battle for the user. That's kind of the issue with the younger generations of Captains: they're too reliant on their bankai and don't spend nearly enough time honing their Shikai and support abilities like Kido and Hoho.
That is the thing. Bankai is only suppose to be used as a last resort. Being surrounded by massive numbers of lesser enemies, or against powerful enemies. Mastery of a bankai normally means mastery of their shikai as well. The two are suppose to feed into one another. The larger the effective area the larger the benefit to the user.
Think you're underselling how dramatic the boosts from Tensa Zangetsu are. Byakuya is considered one of the faster shinigami and Ichigo could have killed him at least twice literally too fast for him to react and while in Bankai himself. You really have to consider what a bloodbath it would have been to set Grimmjow out amongst the Soul Society arc Gotei 13.
While I understand the drawbacks of Kokujo Tengen myo-oh put Sajin's bankai at a disadvantage in most cases, I always find it unfortunate his bankai is always on the weakest lists. But it's not the fault of the viewer; the issue is what was explored in the source material. I find it unfortunate that Kubo didn't explore how else his bankai could be used other than having the giant avatar copy his movements. Bleach: Brave Souls explores the Bankai using Hado (no 31) and having the Hado be supersized. I would have also loved to see how he makes up for the weakness, other than "hit things harder." Sajin isn't known to be a speedy character, but he isn't slow, either. I mean he's a captain for a multitude of reasons. It would have been nice to see him use a mix of both speed and strength. Do something to Tosen other than "hit him hard." Finally, I would have loved to see how resourceful Sajin is with his bankai. I mean he is a part of the beast clan. Beasts and/or animals use the environment around them. It would have been great to have Sajin use the trees for offense or defense, steel beams on a building as a kind of secondary weapon, parts of buildings as a shield, etc. Something to indicate that the avatar has more to it than being big. I think of his avatar like a gundam: It's a humanoid weapon that exceeds the expectation of war. While there is no "if the gundam gets hurt, the pilot doesn't," the pilot is still in danger while in the cockpit. ANd when they are in danger or need to move tactically in a brute of a machine, they use the environment around them. It's super weird that Sajin doesn't do the same. I'm biased as Sajin is my favorite character in bleach. I find it unfortunate most of his bankai is, "oh, look at big thing." I think so much could have been explored to take it off the weak Bankai lists. This is one of the few bankai that could have been further explored if given the necessary time. Its limitations could have also given Sajin strengths in other areas. And then take away those limitations in the TYBW and you have a practically unstoppable bankai.
its hard to wright for things like komamuras bankai since it does what you think it does it one-shots things and takes pretty much no damage from most attacks. and just because i see alot of other stupid comments saying his bankai somehow just makes him a bigger target i want to point out his bankai is FAR more durable then kamamura himself like when it got hit by tosens Los Nueve Aspectos and komamura was still alive very few if any characters could survive a direct hit from that. it just bugs me that if somethings not vastly overpowered or cheap its weak by idiot standards.
Komamura himself didn't even get much attention. His only real win entailed him essentially not being Komamura and then never being Komamura ever again.
I would love to have a scene where we see rose Writing new music for his bankai, almost I'm place of him physically training he must compose music so moving it can be physically believed
Komamura is like a Pokemon with a giant HP and attack, but pitiful stats everywhere else. It can take maybe one hit, but not much more, and it can't do much more before getting taken out.
Hisagi's bankai is like kindred's ultimate ability in league of legends. It's actually one of the best ults, because it can save you from dying, while buying enough time for your teammates to close in on the enemy. Hisagi is just a team player.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago That was called Hihiō Zabimaru. I have been wondering what Ōrochi-ō Zabimaru would have looked like. Would that have looked different somehow.
@@SeviathTheHumanDrago The baboon acknowledged him, the snake didn't. That's why it was called Baboon king or Hihi-ō. Had it been the opposite, his bankai would have been called Ōrochi-ō Zabimaru. In that case it would have likely looked different from both his incomplete and complete bankai.
I know it was not shown in the main series but I think Shinji's Bankai should have been considered because it can only actually be helpful when (1) he is facing multiple opponents and (2) none of his allies are within the area of effect
I think the opponent's morals are also important. Since his Bankai works by turning allies into enemies and enemies into allies, I'm not sure it'll be effective on someone with zero conscience. Aizen and Yhwach would (and have) happily cut down their "allies" to get what they want. Heck, Kenpachi and Nnoitra might not be all that affected given their sheer bloodlust. Byakuya might also be able to fight off the effect or at least handle it since, as seen with Tsukishima, even altering his memories to make it seem you were always his friend didn't work.
@@herpderp5727 don't see how that is not a win win situation here. If his enemies cut down their own allies that is less enemies for him. If Aizen or Yhwach comes out even with a little damage that is a win. So after they kill their allies he switch back to his Shakai. A great way to remove the number advantage and at least keep his opponents occupied.
@@blakemoore2660 But, in this scenario, Aizen and Yhwach's "allies" are their actual enemies before Shinji's bankai took effect. Suppose Shinji used it on Aizen during the fake Karakura town arc. That would make the Gotei 13 and the Visored Aizen's new allies. Given that Aizen has no qualms about cutting his actual allies, this would mean that Aizen would still turn his sword against the shinigami. Same with Yhwach. Even if Shinji used it on him, he'd still attack the shinigami. I suppose you could say that their original allies turned enemies would attack them and they would be "forced" to cut them down, thereby reducing their military strength. But when you're Aizen and Yhwach losing your entire force isn't that big of a deal, what with them being stronger than their entire army put together. But it still doesn't guarantee Shinji's safety. It seems his bankai is only effective on fodder or those weaker or equal to him and has a moral conscience not to attack their allies. But given that literally both main villains in Bleach are the strongest in the series far eclipsing almost everyone save for the main character (at the end), plus are amoral, I doubt it'll do much for Shinji.
Regarding Ichigo's original Bankai, i agree it's one of the weakest, but it's very first display against Byakuya was arguably its best showing. He completely speed blitzed Byakuya twice and could have killed him instantly. The problem was the same as Rukia's in that it was destroying Ichigo's own body due to his lack of experience. He never again displayed the kind of ridiculous speed and power it first demonstrated and it basically just became equivalent to a shikai after that.
I feel like that these bankais can become stronger if the Captains train with them more or change themselves. Like if Yamamoto Bankai, which granted his sword was incredibly busted, can change over the span of hundreds of years gaining new abilities than whose to say the other bankais can do the same
I pray Kensei and the Vizords get more shine this next arc. He’s one of the coolest and I feel like his skills weren’t fully shown. If Kensei knew of James first he could’ve won imo.
Ok finally I can confirm I’m not crazy. Everytime Komamura uses Bankai he gets weaker. Watch his fight against Tosen, base Tosen was able to destroy Bankai Komamura. But then he loses his Bankai and Tosen uses his Resureccion, and the fight is CLOSER
This is a thought I have whenever the weakness of Ikkaku's Bankai is discussed and it's that, while it may be true his Bankai isn't particularly strong, he was able to narrowly take out Edrad before the employment of Gentei Kaijo whereas the other captain-level shinigami were constantly on the back foot against similarly powerful opponents until Gentei Kaijo was given. Seeing as both Toshiro and Renji were unable to beat their opponents prior to Gentei Kaijo, I believe Ikkaku's Bankai is/had the potential to be stronger than theirs were at that time in the story. Despite its lack of versatility, I do believe it would beat out Hihio Zabimaru and should be raised a place, or at the very least, given a little more respect.
I'm still so mad about Kensei and Rose getting destroy just to make Renji look good, Rose giving away his Bankai weakness is still one of the dumbest moment in the serie
I mean, is not like he gave his Bankai wekaness. He just explained how it works, and yeah, this could basically mean "He gave the weakness up", how would he predict his opponent would just tear his own eardrums?! I mean, both he and Kensei basically went against the worst match for their Bankais as the guy could literally regenerate at will at any point. Of course, Kensei suffers more cause he was made to lose against Wonderweiss previously, but, against an opponent who's not willing to simply become deaf, his Bankai is pretty hard to overcome
@@lucasfranke5161 It's easy to say that sitting on our comfortable chairs, on the battlefield? Pretty hard, specially when being attacked. Also, even in Bleach, the only characters able to basically regenerate people are Unohana, Orihime and Tenjiro, or Mayuri if he attaches new body parts to them And Giselle, which is dead Also, basically the only one who can repair something on that level is Orihime. Tenjiro is unavailable, and we never saw great healers in other factions, so, unless everyone has an Unohana or a Mayuri at their side, not gonna be easy to repair even something like that
I'm surprised Shinji's Sukishima Yokoshima Hapofusagari wasn't an honorable mention. It has the opposite problem as Shuhei's bankai taken to an equal extreme. An incredibly powerful bankai that's theoretically worthless 1v1, and outright detrimental in team fights. Sakanade as a whole is a great zanpakuto, but the bankai alone is a last resort ability for very specific situation. I'm also surprised to see Rose's bankai, considering that if you only consider abilities in a vacuum, Kyoka Suigetsu also doesn't work against people who can't see. Don't get me wrong, I'm not entertaining that Rose and Aizen would be on equal footing. I'm making the comparison because Aizen demonstrates how a built-in counter can be compensated for. If we saw Rose using things like Kido and Cero in conjunction with his bankai, then I feel like it would look much more impressive.
To be fair, yes Kyouka Suigetsu can be countered if the opponent is blind. At the same time, it's Aizen shikai ability as compared to Rose's bankai. Though we may never know what Aizen's bankai is, assuming he has one which I believe he does, at least Aizen has that trump card in his arsenal. Whereas in Rose's case, it was his trump card that was so easily countered.
@@babyray9536 But you have to see the shikai's release for the ability to affect you. So someone who is blind like Tosen can never be manipulated by Aizen's shikai as he can't see the release of the sword. However, if you go blind after already seeing it then Kyoka Suigetsu should still work. Remember how Ichigo was never affected by Kyouka Suigetsu because he never saw its release.
Well, Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu can only be countered with blindness by never seeing the release in the first place. If you are caught and *only then* lose your vision, you are still fucked Also, I'd argue losing sight is a lot worse than losing hearing. Every strong character is probably moving faster than sound by the end of the series, but not faster than light (hopefully this statement isn't controversial lol)
It hurt my soul for you to say Rukias bankai was one of the weakest, but she did just learn it so it makes sense. Totally agree about the BBS 10 years later version, its so cool to see her bankai in stunning movement
I've always enjoyed the parallels you can draw between Ikkaku and his bankai and how it perfectly fits that it ended up the way it did. Zanpakuto reflect the shinigami but it's not always 1:1. In this case, Ikkaku's refusal to go all out in order to stay under Zaraki's command seems to have translated to a 'lazy' zankapkuto. Unless spurned into action, it doesn't give its all even when (or maybe even because of) bankai has been activated. And this reluctance to show his true power might cause a second effect of a brittle bankai. He may have a more positive relationship with his sword compared to Yumichika, but that dissonance can still cause issues with how the sword releases its power. Would coming to terms with this flaw of his make his bankai less fragile? Probably not, but it's likely still connected.
@@BlackangelKatakuri still, the supposition made that she is vulnerable to anyone surviving the bankai is flawed since the opponents would be immobile for a while too.
Kensei's bankai doesn't suck. He punchs you & you blow up. He's basically like Kenshiro from Fist of The North Star. It only "sucks" if the enemy can regen.
Surprised Kaname Tōsen's Suzumushi Tsuishiki: Enma Kōrogi didn't make the list as it is one of if not the weakest area of effect Bankais in the story. Not only take someone with a slightly faster reaction speed to him to counterattack or deflect the worse of his attacks, the biggest flaw is that if Kaname ever loses his grip on his blade he will also fall victim to his Bankai's effect, meaning he would need to deactivate it to recover.
Wrong. The only reason Kenpachi even survived Tosen's bankai was because of plot armor. All Tosen needs to do is decapitate his opponent while they can't sense his attack and they're finished.
Think about how many enemies would actually survive his sword strike tho. Most sternritter, several espada, and a couple captains could survive Tousen's strike. Theres a reason he never uses it after thatvone fight.
Rose and Kensei were written so poorly Kubo treated them like shit and it’s so upsetting because I love both Rose and Kensei their Bankai’s are awesome Kubo just didn’t know how to write those characters at all and I honestly hate how he treated the vizards as a whole they deserved so much better if we do get the hell arc expanded I really hope we see Rose, Kensei, Lisa, and Shinji get more attention and we see them all use their Bankai’s and successfully this time I would love to see Lisa’s Bankai
"He is unable to defeat Byakuya alone" Not Ichigo holding his Blade to Byakuyas neck in the first 30 seconds of using his Bankai literally sparing his life 😂😂😂😂😂
Rukia's sure is a gamble. Soifon's is a representation of her fiery inner self, a personality that has been suppressed by her lifelong training as an assassin. Impractical, her general skills are far more effective. Yet again don't get hit by it.
I still think Mayuri is modifying his soul with his outfits like wearing a Gigai on top of his body. Thats how his Zanpakuto adapt to his new essence/soul.
In my personal opinion i think that in the case of Rukia the drawback doesn't make the bankai weak but only that the user (in this case Rukia) doesn't fully knows how to use the bankai, same goes for Ichigo's first form of bankai, having said this i agree with this list
To this day, i still don't get why Soifon Bankai is never number 1 in everybody's list ?!? It's big, slow, take a million year to set up and it's a 1 maybe 2 shot kill...if you can hit ! It's insanely not versatile...it's like she didn't do the 10 year training after activating it to make it compact, it's absurd ?!? Situational is the best word to describe it...All the other you can move with them...not this one !! Simply the worst no question, wathever the power it has...
I feel like you’re a bit too harsh on Kensei’s bankai. I feel like the lack of range is made up with the whole infinite explosions and Kensei just had a bad matchup with Mask de Masculine. I also don’t think Rose and Shuhei’s are so terrible as to be considered one of the worst.
Why is it that Tousen's bankai is never mentioned? It basically tries to force his opponents to be like him: senseless. The thing is, though, one could theoretically disarm him and force him into a further state of senselessness and obviously defenselessness? How many strikes from Suzumushi would it take for someone not named Kenpachi to figure out what he of all people did?
I mean, even if you figure it out, there's the clear thing of: "You, a person who relied on senses for hundreds of years, how has to be senseless" while Tousen has always been senseless. Yes, you can feel the impact of the blade, but, not everyone will be able to react as fast, you might also enter in a panic mode. Though, someone like Byakuya, or Toshiro could just spread their abilities around and basically win, or Kenpachi being a monster, it's still a pretty strong Bankai, as you basically have the complete advantage in the scenario
Tousen bankai is one of the best, he have destroy all futur vizored befor Aizen make the transformation. With Zaraki if he want to kill with the first attaque he win but kubo dont want it...and zaraki is special after first try he can react like no other one. And i add this, Tousen can bakudo for immobilize Zaraki an instant and just kill it with zampakuto. Or just use hado for hit zaraki.
Rukia lol? Shinigami need 10 year for master bankai, at this time she is day one not 10 years...cant wait for Hell arc to see the mastery of one of the best bankai. oh and she have the absolute zero, hitsugaya dont have it.
But Hitsugayas body doesn't freeze so he's able to move still. Hers can also kill her if she isn't careful plus Hitsugayas can render any ability useless by freezing it. His Bankai is basically hers but he can move around freely without worry of any drawbacks.
I said it once, it's Ikkaku's, but someone got really salty over an opinion from a fictional character xD. And Soi Fon's next in line, i guess. Komamura got an upgrade, Renji did too. Those too were also cool in any form. Kubo made Soin Fon and Ikkaku dirty.
I wouldnt even consider Komamura’s an upgrade though tbh, considering it was more or less his version of FGT, and it reduced him to a house pet after he used it.
Soi fon's bankai could be improved a lot by if the markings that she left if the people somehow got away from her and then the rocket could be a homing rocket
I don’t consider Hisagi’s Bankai weak. In fact, it’s most useful against a very powerful opponent. All he has to do while in Bankai is keep the fight going until both combatants are equally drained of most reiatsu and be at close range when he ends the Bankai. Switch immediately to Shikai - during which Hisagi cannot be killed - and kill his opponent when they are at equal strength.
I feel as though the reason most of these fall short is because they’ve gone up against stronger opponents, if not the wrong kind of enemy. For example Soifon’s bankai would be great for eliminating huge swaths of hollow, but instead it’s used to hit 1 super powered Arrancar😅
Nah the Main problems for most of the Bankai are: The user doesnt shut the fuck up about it and its used against the Wrong opponent. Of all the enemys attacking Fake Karakura Town only Barragan and Aizen (thanks to the Hogyokus healing) are able to survive in Soifons case. Stark, Harribel, Gin or Tosen would all have surely died or would have been severly crippled. The only Bankai that is really garbage and made it into the Top 9 is Ikkakus Bankai because its slow and frail.
Soi Fon can only nut once every 3 days, so it should at least be able to significantly damage even stronger opponents. That’s when you need the most out of your abilities. I think it would have been more cool if each bankai did weird things that could potentially kill even much stronger opponents if used properly.
Disclaimer: I'm not a Soi Fon hater. I HATE that Bleach fans feel the absolute need to base a character's abilities solely on when we've seen them use it (looking at you Zero Squad vs W). Yeah... that logic makes sense in a vacuum... but come on. Barragan needed to be killed with his own ability. No one aside from Aizen or Yama was going to finish him off for good at that point in the story.
@@Raion9813 That's something I always noticed too was that it always came back repaired. Please Kubo bring back Dog man and make him stronger or at least let Tetsu shine to show us what the Dame Da Ne man can do.
@@HusbandOfManyWives1776 Kiyone has more combat experience and is proficient in kido, much like Isane. Hanatoro is good at healing but not much else. Also, his zanpakuto release isn’t exactly Lieutenant material.
I like how people say/complain that Rose doesn't shut up about his Bankai abilities. But when it comes to a character such as Unohana, people are complaining that she doesn't say anything
I think it says alot that even these "weakest" bankais, they are still very strong conceptually or as an idea. It just goes to show, even if the power level of a bankai could be lower in bleach, that doesn't make it any less fun or interesting to learn about. My personal favourite though it was merely an honourable mention is Hisagi's bankai. I've always loved his aesthetic, and his bankai I think makes for a very interesting one.
I kind of feel like Tousen's Bankai could be included on here for similar reasons to Rose. In theory it should be a one shot kill if you're inside of it, but Kenpachi proves that isn't the case by feeling where Tousen is going to attack from. If a Soul Society Kenpachi could do that, I feel like any capable captain class level character would be able to do the same and avoid the one shot kill and potentially even counter attack which destroys the bankai itself if Tousen takes enough damage. On top of that it's also an AOE Bankai, which means if you have the speed available to you, you can escape it while it's in the slow process of starting itself up. Most characters in the series are more than likely fast enough to get out of range of the attack which just forces Tousen to waste his own energy setting it up and giving his opponent the advantage since he now has to deactivate it and approach them.
Tousen’s bankai is one of the best. He coulda just decapitated Zaraki and it woulda been over… but the story is the story for the writer. He was literally a 5th seat and took down Kensei and his squad with it during turn back the pendulum. The problem with comics is that characters have to explain their powers to the readers and that’s basically what happened to Tousen and Rose. If not, you’ll have a situation like Unohana where no one knows what the hell is going on and all we can do is guess…
I mean, I don't agree. Even if he told you about the hearing, would anyone else besides Mask de Masculine who can literally heal up, simply burst their own eardrums?! Also, he believed he had the upperhand as James was eliminated. They didn't knew James and Makes where 1 entitiy and James would come back. So, he was sure he had destroyed his enemy only way to heal up, so, what's the bad in telling him his Bakai when there's basically nothing he can do about it? Unless everyone Rose fights against can A. Regenerate itself mid-battle or B. Is willing to burst their own eardrums and lose one crucial sense for fighthing just to take on this one guy, his Bankai is actually hella strong
What about Tousen's Bankai, it doesn't do very much outside of making it really hard to fight back from his attacks, essentially it doesn't even do more than Hirako's Shikai, since it can be negated by grabbing Tosens blade.
he should be last on the strongest list given if not for bad writing he would have swiftly ended kenpachi's life. keep in mind the rest of the 99% of characters have their sight
It's also completely worthless against any opponent with omni directional attack ability. For example Toshiro. Doesn't matter if he can't sense where Tosen is if he just freezes everything.
It’s still a powerful Bankai whether he gets 1 or many people inside its range. In a fight, losing your senses is the worst thing that can happen unless you have someone with great instincts like Zaraki.
@@Blade12113 This Ban Kai is for the assassination use, you just make the killing blow and leave out. It's not for a funny squabble that Tosen decided to use against Zaraki, it's a strong Ban Kai. Anyone who's not aware what his power can do would probably not found out before getting absolutely demlished, Zaraki is just crazy durable bastard with a plot armor.
Sajin's bankai should be his shikai. And his bankai should be him, transforming to his bankai (but normal size if I may prefer) and focuses on impenetrable defense. It match his attitude as a gentle giant.
I've always wanted for Komamura's Bankai to have some kind of Karmic Retributive strike! All the damage that it takes that it would easily be able to return the power in its form. I would've loved the impacts to be returned, something like that would've really been more impressive for someone who deserves it I feel.
@@BlackangelKatakuri I can agree that it'd be related. But not specifically on the karmic retributive aspect. As I find that Ukitake's would be him directly reflecting a skill/power/technique back to its source. I'm referring more to Komamura's durability, with him and his giant taking damage and then directly returning that absorbed damage in a more direct and brutal manner. Whilst similar, the idea would be "you hit me, and I shall pay you back two-fold."
@@ArrowRinehart I mean it's just an idea. Plus Bankai aren't always what we expect them to be . They all have a theme that's consistent with the Shikai but what that theme would be isn't always clear. Like Shunsui for example.
The things you said about Rukia’s bankai being new and possibly getting getting stronger and evolving in the future as she gets more experience with it can be applied to Hisagi’s bankai as well. Hisagi may have the same problem as Renji, where his zanpakuto gave him a false name. Renji was given a false name because Zabimaru thought he wasn’t strong enough yet. Whereas Kazeshini may give Hisage a false name because Hisagi says he doesn’t like the shape of his shikai.
This is all headcanon on your part... Shuhei has way more experience in battle than renji, so I doubt kazeshini would give him a wrong name... Also, do you think a false name zanpakuto could stalemate the likes of hikone?
@@rajnibrown2194 All head canon on my part? I’m just talking about possibilities. Things that could be possible, using examples from the story. Hisagi’s bankai is new, so it could evolve and change over time, same as it did for Hitsuguya and Yamamoto. I never definitely said anything, just gave hypotheticals. Nor did I say I even believed the hypotheticals I presented. I’m just trying to have conversations with fellow fans. Not sure why you feel the need to shut that down.
@@derekrichardson7853 toshiro bankai wasn't new and Yama had all those abilities he had when he fought against yhwach back then but he didn't used them... As for toshiro, he could always go adult form but that is required for all his petals to disappear and it's either he gets beaten before the petals were gone or he wins the fight b4 they all disappear... Not once did they all disappear b4 Gerard fight
i really wish we got to see Toshiro train with the zero division. his matured bankai was doing some decent work against the miracle but i feel like he could have easily became one of the strongest bankais
if he got injured bad enough in the 1st invasion, he didn't obvs, I'd say surely he woulda joined along with the gang to the Royal Palace to heal & buff up with Kiro's food etc
@@BlackangelKatakuri That would seem like a possibility. It was said along the lines of Kyoraku in his fight with Stark. Stark asked who was stronger, Toshiro or Kyoraku. Kyoraku says Toshiro would most likely surpass him in about 100 years meaning currently Kyoraku is stronger.
What is sad is that some of the Bankai were only cool in the non-cannon Zanpakuto rebellion arc. Being that its one of the more popular arcs in the series, it has me thinking that even though the trope of some tag along thing manifesting as a "soul" has been done elsewhere, it would have been an interesting aspect to be able to see their Zanpakuto spirits more often in some what during the series, its really an interesting concept that wasn't used outside of the one arc and of course some aspect of the fighting. Also almost everyone loved Yachiro, but I don't think in any way they should all be children, maybe they could all be a bit different from animals to mythical beings, to of course playful child spirits tagging along.
You say "weakest" yet you attribute this to rukia when her weakness isnt synomous with her power directly, her bankai is one of the most powerful in TYBW due to it's ability to freeze at absolute 0 which if you know physics is impossible as this means all matter stops its motion and has an inertia of 100%. This violates countless laws of physics and isn't technically possible, it's so potent atoms, subatomic particles, particles on the quantum scale all cease motion thus have no energy which violates the most important fact in physics is that matter is energy in another form (mass) and vice versa, where all matter has energy and all particles are in motion be it momentum, angular momentum, spin, all energy functions involving motion (kinetic energy), absolute 0k induces a 0 state energy where it would violate Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which states that the location and momentum of a particle cannot be known at the same time. A particle at absolute zero would be at rest, so both its position, and momentum being 0, would be known simultaneously. At this Temperature it is an entropically defined quantity that effectively determines the number of thermodynamically accessible states of a system within an energy range. Absolute zero physically possesses quantum mechanical zero-point energy, essentially when any object freezes its particles lose energy and occupy and lower kinetic and heat energy state, particles of an object that is frozen do move even just below 0k say 0.001......k but when it hits absolute 0k, it's that its such an abslute degree that no matter has energy to move on even the smallest observable degree (planck length,10^-33 metres) and lower. Electrons would function at the fermi level, electrons being fermions operate under something called the pauli exclusion principle, which states fermions cannot exists as identical energy states "EVER", so electrons will pack into a fermi sea of lowest energy available electrons to never rise higher unless acted upon by an externa force/energy. When all electrons within rukias range of her bankai are at 0k then they go into a state of fermi level, normally electrical and thermal properties function at a fraction of an eV but at 0k it becomes an order of eV (electron volt) thus electrons cannot recieve energy from those functions to exist in higher energy states. This means electrical energy flow, thermal properties and so on will fail to function at any other degree than the ripple of fermi sea which is the maximum energy an electron can occupy at 0k. The implications of this shikai and bankai alone are disgusting, yes its a damaging bankai and causes her to die just in shikai but to say this is a weak bankai is disingenuous. Shes the 4th most powerful soul reaper behind bankai kenpachi, True Bankai toshiro and bankai ichigo. Toshiro takes it a step further being able to freeze all matter, energy and functions which include ceasing all functions and "CONCEPTUAL" functions which are abstact and have no form. Toshiro straight up breaks all known laws of physics regarding energy/matter and then it becomes pure science fiction with his function negating ability on an abstract level and freezing energy which is essentially a gag character feat. You can’t freeze energy, because there’s nothing to freeze, energy has no mass or matter thus no form, it’s a transferable property to induce states of matter, you can lose energy as normal freezing does like with rukias bankai but to freeze it like he does? Makes no sense 😂.
@@BlackangelKatakuri fantasy is limited to imagination and imagination has limits. Not to mention fantasy itself can never be reality thus it’s already limited by that.
@@MrDeclareWar So you're proving my point then. Also forgetting how there's a Bankai in this series which literally makes the wielders blade as hot as the sun and garbs him in flames that are that hot yet it doesn't immediately evaporate him? So you're fine with that but not Hitsugayas Bankai being stronger than Rukias?
They compliment him perfectly though. I mean, Bankais in Bleach are told to us to be a reflection of the user, so, is not like only a cool anime power-up, is literally a personification of yourself, and Ikkaku is a very simple man, guided by very simple raw pwoer, so his Shikai and Bankai being just "different direct hit weapons" one stronger than the other, makes a lot of sense, but it basically shows his weakness as a person: He relies too much on one single trick
How do you punish Rose's Bankai for the fact that Rose gave away the eardrum thing lol. That isn't the Bankai, the bankai alone, in isolation, is ridiculously strong. Especially with the hinted at instant kill dance and the reference to stopping your lungs and heart. Fire control, water control, and a kill move. Plus the option for plenty more. Like Nobody would realistically think to pop their own eardrums in a fight. Especially not on a whim, if Rose doesn't outright confirm that will stop his powers during the fight lol. So i don't see how this is fair lol. You can cancel As Nodts broken vollstandig by cutting out your own eyes too but if he doesn't explain that nobody is going to proactively do it lol.
Exactly. Funnily enough there's only one Bankai that seems to require the owner to say what it does and that's Katen Kyokotsu Kuramatsu Shinju. He seems to need to tell the one he's fighting what's happening in order for the Bankai to work at all.
@@BlackangelKatakuri I agree. Even destroying your sense of hearing isn’t a good strategy. Not everyone is going to be able to heal on the spot like Mask. Destroying their ears is going to be a risky gamble, especially in a war where anyone could ambush you unexpectedly. For example if Quilge was fighting Rose and destroyed his ears since he has no healing abilities his hearing would be gone until he could find a skilled enough healer to fix the damage. Losing one’s hearing is a big loss in battle. What if another captain class fighter came out to backup Rose before they could heal? They could get jumped and killed before they can repair the damage because they have lost their hearing. I feel like Rose and Kensei are only being deemed as having bankai with weak effects or bigger down sides based on their performance against Mask, but Mask’s ability kept granting him more power and healing so he could keep going. Of course Rose explaining his power work is a bad move and shows his arrogance. He thinks most people would think twice before actually destroying their ear drums since it is such a bad tactic to do in a war, again the loss of hearing on the battlefield is devastating even if they have an ally who can heal them later on.
Also, for having "him taking any hits his bankai does" as a drawback, he takes those hits probably better than he really should. Possibly due to his bankai being effectively big enough to reduce the impact proportionally. And the aforementioned not having to bother worrying about losing future effectiveness.
I think tousen’s bankai is very weak to someone who’s very battle sensed and shinji’s bankai is only situational to multiple opponents and useless against one opponent
Tousen and Kamamora . 2 lieutenants masquerading as captains. Their bankais is like an ordinary captains shikai. Renji could have probably challanged them and take the captain seat from them XD
You forgot Shinji's bankai, he can't use it in TYBW because of its abilities, it can make your enemies to allies and allies to enemies, the problem is he can't use it if he has allies near him or on one-on-one situation.
Soifon's is so bad man, she has to do all that prep just to do a big explosion when Ulquiorra is casually throwing nukes around Las Noches with his lanza del relampago that are more impressive than her bankai (in the anime at least, dont know how it is in the manga).
I really wish Ikkaku went to the Soul Palace with Ichigo and Renji in TYBW. It would've been cool to see the Zero Division aid him in fixing his bankai.
Or if his opponent didn't have instant regenration and was literally the only person willing to TEAR HIS EARDRUMS! Is the same thing as Shinji against Aizen! Him explaining his Shikai works by scent and inversts stuff literally gives no advantage to your opponent as one he finishes explaining you're already under the effects of it, and it's basically impossible to quickly adapt to having all your sense of direction and sight shifted. The only reason he lost so badly there was because he was against Aizen, someone also used to illusions. If Mask didn't had a 100% confirmed way of regerating, Rose would've killed him, as he was sure James was down, and there was no way he would knew James could come back
Let's face it, Kubo creates questionable/irritating handicaps to the Gotei 13 to create suspense. He then breaks his own caviates when favouring his main protagonists. The antagonists usually get to kill off/defeat the characters we are so often told are meant to be so powerful. It's the flaw of his writing in my opinion.
