What is this SORCERY? [DESIGN REVIEW] � �#1

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Reviewing some amazing prototype videos from Rossero, Subscribe to Rossero here: / rosserobertolli
Huge Cred to the Entire wintergatan Discord Server, Come join us here: / discord
Idea credits to Discord users:
Compiled by: @Rossero and @nelsonion
Zigzag height regulator
Inspiration: -Similar: @anselm - / discord
Curved marble path
YT:Presentation - • Curved marble track test Test - • Curved marble catcher ... Discord post:Presenation - / discord - / discord Rauncher - / discord - / discord @Andrey Shur - / discord
Adjustable height modules
YT: • Adjustable hight modul... Discord post: / discord (this was one my first posts to discord after which many showed my already similar designs, so independent design but see below) Similar:@Shaise - / discord - / discord - / discord - / discord - / discord Shur - / discord Adrien - / discord
Divide by 2
YT: • Divide by 2 MMX prototype Discord post: / discord Inspiration: Flipflop (divide by 2) designs, see similarSimilar:@alastor and @jb4x - / discord And • Marble Machine Track S...
Newton’s cradle
YT: • Newtons cradle Marble ... Discord post: / discord ) Inspiration/original idea: @Gonzonator1982 - / discord Similar:
Fishstair catcher (not optimal, more like a brainfart, see Similar for more inspiration)
YT: • Fishstair springsteel ... Discord post: / discord Inspiration:@Gonzonator1982 - / discord @ a lot, there is a ton of discussion about how to keep the second marble back (see Similar)Similar:@TheMoen - / discord @Locket Rauncher - a lot (again, sorry)
Zigzag pressure relief
YT: • Pressure relief system... Discord post: / discord Inspiration: @Rossero - / discord Similar: -
Divide by 4
YT: • A better divide by 4 f... Discord post: / discord @JesseRoelfs - / discord Similar: -
Worthwhile addition (for you): Over rotation explanation and calculations summaryDiscord post: / discord Composed by: @Arnoud Chol - @TUTAMKHAMON - @Rossero
Marble Machine X Daily #22
Video edited by Hannes Knutsson
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@farmerwoody123 3 года назад

That marble divider design that removes the requirement for height adjustment is elegance itself. No moving parts, screws to go loose or adjustability required.

@InventorZahran 3 года назад

It'll also save a lot of time when assembling the machine before a live show, since it's one less thing that needs to be tuned.

@christianvanderstap6257 3 года назад

Maybe make the top part translucent to see the marbles, but yes simplicity at it's best.

@karnov9248 3 года назад

If he doesn't implement that now he's going to hate himself later

@jessiejanson1528 3 года назад

i think the screw is just for the test to force the marble height so you can see it passing by easily no matter the height or simply falling in. on the actual device you wouldnt need the screw.

@finnrock5558 3 года назад

solid state solutions are the best solutions.

@zioTino96 3 года назад

"I will fight for my current marble divider"? That's sunken cost right here. Please Martin, consider changing your marble divider with this wonderfully designed one

@alextrotta796 3 года назад

Yea, his current system is wack. The amount of time and resources he's going to have to continue putting into it is probably more than it would take to implement this new design, considering it obsoletes the height modules entirely.

@oskarthompson3789 3 года назад

Well, if he can fix the marble level in a nice way, the existing one will work just fine

@Syrahl696 3 года назад

@@oskarthompson3789 The trouble is, I'm not sure he can. He's highlighted the problem before where the marbles settle in a different way in the lanes each time, due to the lanes having to be wider than the marbles to allow them to roll. So unless he has height correction right under the divider (which I have seen one design for, not sure if it would fit and it would be a lot more fiddly), it may well be impossible to ensure a consistent marble height.

@Taneth 3 года назад

And if he can remove the height modules, that leaves more room for transparent pipes

@fredygump5578 3 года назад

Martin's design looks better when viewing the machine from the front, which is the expected viewing position. Essentially the new design idea places a wall in front of the marbles. An observer in front of the machine will not see the marbles rolling along and falling into various channels.

@jordanlarson8789 3 года назад

Martin PLEASE incorporate that design for the divider that can handle different marble heights. I can already imagine the frustration of having to machine and carry with you ALL of those height modules all the time, with endless tinkering and trial and error for each channel. This suggested design could vastly simplify as well as provide more resilience to the machines functioning.

@labwax 3 года назад

I think this design also looks awesome. It looks like it should be "easy" to add to the MMX.

@Sorestlor 3 года назад

Martin if you were to change that marble divider to that design then imagine the literally hundreds of parts you won't have to manufacture for the 30+ channels.

@ninjafruitchilled 3 года назад

Although with the adjustable height modules that fit on all channels then at least it is only 30 copies of the same thing.

@ReneVaeli 3 года назад

Those wont be needed

@veetijaakkola1200 3 года назад

@@ninjafruitchilled that could be done in one part, just create the part and slot it qbove the old divider

@MarioDiNicola 3 года назад

Exactly what I was thinking. No more height adjustment! Kudos to the adjustable design, but it's stictly unnecessary complication: rather than having a solution to the requirement for precise height, make a divider that doesn't have that requirement! I worry that Martin is totally underrating the potential of this new divider.

@cptfwiffo 3 года назад

@@MarioDiNicola Totally. Right now it's a precision design. What happens if there's some dust in the heigh module which heightens it just half a millimeter. That could require adjustment 'on the set'. Best work on parts which don't have any problem whatsoever. MMY it is

@davidmyers7508 3 года назад

Martin, The "constant radius" marble divider would eliminate so many issues: present and future. I know how much you've invested (continue to invest) into controlling marble lane heights. Here is a solution that nullifies that need altogether. As a fellow engineer, I know how hard it is to scrap months of work when a better solution comes along... but it's the right move. I think this is such a moment. With respect and admiration, #painistemporary #gloryisforever #worldtour

@PontusRob 3 года назад

Exactly! Well put sir

@sankang9425 3 года назад

Sometimes we should admit that there are many geniuses in the world... As a programmer I feel the pain of this situation. But pain is temporary and glory is forever!!

@mattmexor2882 3 года назад

I wonder if in that design marble speed would need to be precisely controlled instead of marble height.

@louisvaught2495 3 года назад

@@mattmexor2882 Sort of - the marbles have a small amount of contact interference with the main channel, which slows them down. You can adjust the speed by rotating the entire assembly to change how "downhill" the curved part of the queue is relative to the main channel.

@alejolab 3 года назад

best part is no part

@FrankKatzenberger 3 года назад

That prototype divider plus your new gate reduces complexity and part count. Scrap the height modules! Seriously break out the grinder! Pain is temporary!

@SciFiFactory 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more. This new marble divider design is beautiful!

@lightspiritblix1423 3 года назад

Glory is forever!

@kschleic9053 3 года назад

Don't fight moles with a mallet, remember the dragon, get out the grinder-sword!

@Drjebus 3 года назад

+1 rosserobertolli marble divider replacement!

@alexkfridges 3 года назад

The height insensitive approach is a MUST Martin. An absolute must. The CORE problem causing all the systemic issues of the machine is the fact that you need to heights of the marble track to remain perfect. This has coupled all the parts together in a way where they all depend on each other to be finely calibrated, something which is a recipe for engineering disaster. You MUST use this genius design, it will save the machine and save you months and months. Please Martin, please.

@spplS. 3 года назад

Yeah, we're really begging him. Whole comment section seems to be flooded with this suggestion. But do you really think we can change his mind?

@Fractangle 3 года назад

@@spplS. It's worth trying. Worst case scenario, we get to tell him "I told you so" in 2022. :)

@marcolammers 3 года назад

Though I do worry about an edge case where marbles fed to the marble divider from the top would push marbles passing the marble divider into one of those gates, and either get the marble divider stuck or end up on the floor ...

@Hirosjimma 3 года назад

@@marcolammers and then there's an extra marble in said gate. Due to the constant radius it would still be enough out of the way to let others pass. I don't see the issue.

@Koushakur 3 года назад

Thing is I do not think it is the messiah solution every else seem to think it is. It's is really neat and has a lot of potential, but it has not yet survived first meeting with reality.

@Civmiiuydux 3 года назад

Martin, if you look through these comments the common theme you'll see is people begging you to adopt that new marble divider design. I'm one more. In four years and 171 videos I have never felt so strongly that a single concept was this essential to the success of the Marble Machine X.

@EntropyValley 3 года назад

This this this

@EntropyValley 3 года назад

I completely agree that this is probably the strongest the audience of these videos have ever felt about a single idea in the history of his channels

@davidchidester5463 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more. The videos where he highlighted the problems with the marble divider convinced me it had to go. If one part is causing so many issues, it should be replaced! Pain is temporary, glory is forever

@murphygay7606 3 года назад

U know how we convince him? We say we won't argue against the kinetic fingers if he makes the new divider

@Michallote 3 года назад

Go to discord

@generalkitten2100 3 года назад

The new marble divider design is just so much better, combined with the pressure management system you wouldnt need any adjustments. It would likely take more time to adjust all the channels than just to make the new better designs. Also it seems that the path lenght is changing ever so slightly anyway so you would need to readjust every channel more than once, that sounds like hell. No need to fall for the sunk cost fallacy.

@KingdaToro 3 года назад

You need that new marble divider. Combined with the zigzag pressure relief design, you can completely eliminate both the height modules and the pressure modules. That's going to be priceless on tour.

@BloomThat 3 года назад

I think you and Martin misunderstood the zigzag. It's not a pressure relief system, it is a height system. He should be using this instead of the new divider

@KingdaToro 3 года назад

@@BloomThat You're thinking of the wrong device. I'm referring to the device shown from 1:00 to 2:10 being used in conjunction with the the device shown from 6:27 to 9:50. If those are used together, there will be no need for any sort of height adjustment or pressure adjustment.

@louisvaught2495 3 года назад

@@BloomThat It does both. In order for it to be height insensitive, it also has to relieve pressure.

@yakoob1122 3 года назад

Rosseros designs are like mole repellents.

@fireskorpion396 3 года назад

trueee

@Eralen00 3 года назад

mole-proofing

@SebastianHornbaek 3 года назад

Mole repellent = the rossero-factor :D

@IanZainea1990 3 года назад

No, Don't fight for the current marble divider! All you're replacing is the top part! Everything else can remain the same!

@popcorny007 3 года назад

The height insensitive divider is so simple and elegant, please consider prototyping it! Just imagine zero adjustment for every lane. Also think about the saying on your angle grinder :P

@brianriddle8389 3 года назад

That marble divider design is amazing! Way better than the current design with the height modules, imo.

@zoneoff668 3 года назад

That new divider, and the new marble gates would make a very simple and universal solution, no need for height modules, nor Pressure control ! When it comes to engeneering Simpler is better ! The divide by 4 is great too !

@helemaalbigT 3 года назад

that marble divider is brilliant and seems like a way better alternative than having to regulate and tweak all the individual channels' heights

@henrysomerset5903 3 года назад

And it also eliminates a lot of parts needed for the adjustments, greatly simplifying design and manufacturing. It's as first principles as it gets.

@thijmenstar7832 3 года назад

And should be relatively easy to implement. Just cnc an addon

@Civmiiuydux 3 года назад

That marble divider was the single most important design I saw here. It solves the marble height problem once and for all, instead of simply chasing its multitude of manifestations over and over. It's also entirely compatible with existing systems and designs. Very little would need to be changed to accommodate it.

@SoraHjort 3 года назад

It also uses a marble as the counter weight. Slap half of a PMA pipe over it to cover it, so the marble doesn't escape, and it becomes another visual aspect.

@nocare 3 года назад

@@SoraHjort They are talking about the channel divider at the top not the divide by 4 for overflow

@Huntracony 3 года назад

So, new self-pressure-regulating marble gate and the curved marble catcher and all of your problems will be solved, without the need to adjust anything, so the MMX jiggeling about in transport can't even mess it up. That is the dream. Perfection exists.

@gxexrxmxaxnx 3 года назад

You don't need to give the old marble divider design a try. It has caused problems from the beginning. The constant radius design is more robust and will save lots of parts!

@killorkubed 3 года назад

so glad wintergatan is daily now

@UnderfundedScientist 3 года назад

Seriously same

@farmerwoody123 3 года назад

Imagine all the people that don't know about the second channel sadly waiting for a video on the main channel :(

@sailor.seahell 3 года назад

Every day I get my daily dose of martin on my lunch break and I love it!

@gioiadelsapere 3 года назад

Me too m8

@caltheuntitled8021 3 года назад

@@farmerwoody123 the original channel has more than 15 times as many subscribers, but it’s hard to tell how many of them actually watched all the videos when they came out

@LazerLord10 3 года назад

Aw man, that divide-by-four just reminded me of a common thing in engineering: hysteresis! I use that in electronics a lot, and it basically means that once something reaches a threshold and 'trips', the threshold to then 'un-trip' is lower than whatever force originally called it to trip. It makes transitions between states very well defined and definite.

@louisvaught2495 3 года назад

A lot of subsystems on the MMX have hysteresis issues, actually. The divide-by-4, the fish stair, etc.

@Hirosjimma 3 года назад

Oeh Today I Learned, Thanks!

@TryptychUK 3 года назад

Hysteresis loops are good for preventing self-oscillation, so the start and stop are far enough apart to not make the thing shake itself to bits.

@quintindegroot7436 3 года назад

I like the fact that controllers using that principal are sometimes called "bang-bang controllers"

@NFSHeld 3 года назад

A good example is automatic headlights of a car. On a scale from 0 "pitch black" to 100 "brightest conditions" it needs to go below 70 shortly to turn on the lights but above 80 for 5 continuous seconds to turn them back off.

@veetijaakkola1200 3 года назад

Martin is too deep in the lost cost fallacy, the other marble divider design is ways more elegant, simpler, has less parts, completely negates the need for height adjustment, which means that also wont affect the marble pressure and it would be easy to implement.

@eeee69 3 года назад

jumping on the bandwagon and saying the new marble divider would be a massive improvement

@IExistSometimes 3 года назад

I love when people come along with good solutions to problems just because they can

@pvic6959 3 года назад

some people are just smart and no where to put it lol. me, im just super lazy

@goatsemarathon6642 3 года назад

Never be afraid to accept someone else's idea as being better than yours. If the advantages are readily apparent you have nothing to lose by adopting it.

@zport1853 3 года назад

I would advise that new marble devider. as you won't have to change the height. Also when changing marble pressure you change the height and then have to readjust so with multiple design integrations you won't need either.

@rosserobertolli 3 года назад

That's just awesome, made my day! And don't worry, that's not the only marble that hit the floor

@h76tr 3 года назад

seriously awesome designs, man

@SantiagoLuz 3 года назад

I'm so glad Martin finally saw all your great work!!!

@owenm3112 3 года назад

You are single handedly boosting the progress on this project. Great stuff man!

@rosserobertolli 3 года назад

@@owenm3112 Not single handedly, not by far, have a look in the description for all credited contributors, but thanks!

@owenm3112 3 года назад

@@rosserobertolli Ah I see. The wintergatan/mmx community has got to be the greatest online community. So many interested and motivated people in one place.

@nutsmcflurry3737 3 года назад

Never before has the adage, if you can't make it perfect, make it adjustable, been shown so clearly. Mr Martin, you have to let these designers help you more. If you had never said, "I'm going to quit", I'd say let you build it your way and we'll root for you, but not be too surprised if it's never finished. But you did. So please let these fine minds help you finish what has become more than you can handle. You now have 9000 believers/investors in your project,

@nilsragnar1347 3 года назад

I've watched **every single episode** on the MMX so far, and I don't know if it's just me, but I still love seeing you go through different iterations, remaking old parts and improving on the design. I'm sure some people just want to see you make compromises left and right and get the machine finished, but personally I love seeing you each day, reaching closer to perfection. Admittedly I cannot imagine the amount of patience required for a project like this. Martin you truly are an astonishing individual, only an extreme minority of people could work this hard, for this long on the same project Keep up the good work, even though I've been watching you for over 4 years now, I still actively look forward to the next episode, stay up late at night, refreshing my inbox for the next video. P.S If it were up to me I would pull the trigger on that new marble divider lane, it's too brilliant to use, and would save so much time while also improving reliability significantly!

@azenginerd9498 3 года назад

Regarding the pressure relief system (6:36): both Rossero and you incorporate fully threaded fasteners as a marble stop pin in your designs. The design then slides components - either the marble or the moving mechanism - along the thread. This is a source of friction and / or system noise x 38 channels. Consider substituting a smooth surface where any item translation / sliding occurs. Some suggestions: partially threaded shafts (www.mcmaster.com/97042A158/), a clevis pin with the head captured in an internal cavity or slot (www.mcmaster.com/93131A380/), or perhaps a threaded standoff to cover the screw threads (www.mcmaster.com/93090A665/)

@lennytheboss100 3 года назад

very good idea!

@louisvaught2495 3 года назад

Share ideas on the Discord! We have a Wilsonbot to sort through the clutter.

@vanillawaffle7303 3 года назад

Martin with the marbledivider be like : this is brilliant..., but i like this

@MomradG 3 года назад

...no no no, Martin, what did we talk about. They are not washers, they are Precise Adjustment Rings

@louisvaught2495 3 года назад

Improvise. Adapt. Washer.

@InventorZahran 3 года назад

@@louisvaught2495 And then angle-grind it all away when it doesn't work out...

@MattiaPiola 3 года назад

Martin, we all love your current marble divider. But we all know this version is much better. Not having to have all the marbles flush would be incredibly great. I'd say don't fight for it, Martin, it's not worth saving. Then again, it's your call.

@jesperhagstrom 3 года назад

Try the constant radius thing ASAP! There's literally a nation of moles that could go extinct forever

@sab6437 3 года назад

Stop messing with marble gates that require fine tuning the height adjustment and go with the curved marble divider that doesn't care about marble height. It's a shame that you seem to just write that one off, it's the definition of simplicity and functionality.

@Kroesis 3 года назад

I can totally understand your desire to see your previous designs work but when someone else designs something for you, which replaces but simplifies the whole system and causes other parts to become unnecessary, it's probably time to listen to your head, especially since you are wanting to finish the project ASAP. Some great designs here but the marble divider would be even better if machined from something clear so you can see the balls from the front.

@cambridgemart2075 3 года назад

Have to agree, after all what is the point of a design review if you don't take the most effective design forward?

@ItsDanBoy 3 года назад

Just want to point out, in case you didn't realize, that the Zig Zag design not only controls pressure, but it also ensures a perfectly consistent top-height if this were used below the marble divider - removing the need to have height modules all together.

@jesperhagstrom 3 года назад

Sunken time fallacy! The constant contact radius divider looks like a way better solution

@GordonWrigley 3 года назад

I mentioned on another video that the divide by 4 needed hysteresis, the variable counter weight one is a brilliant way of doing that.

@PB_Saltman 3 года назад

I like the completely random grading system 😁

@ekksoku 3 года назад

What do you grade his grading systems? I rate them as at least one world tour

@PB_Saltman 3 года назад

@@ekksoku I would grade it at least one tacocat riding a laser shark

@TWFydGlu 3 года назад

@@ekksoku 5/7

@alextrotta796 3 года назад

@@TWFydGlu Wow, a perfect score!

@nagualdesign 3 года назад

I give your comment 3 owls.

@Hephera 3 года назад

really confused why you seemed more excited about the part that lets you variably adjust the marble heights than you are about the incredibly simple and easy to implement solution that completely eliminates the need to adjust the heights in the first place? being able to precicely adjust something is much less useful than NOT NEEDING to adjust it at all.

@BetaKeja 3 года назад

I kind of feel the same way as Martin. Seeing it in action is pretty cool. But yeah, one simple part, vs 38 with multiple pieces and moving parts... Go with the simpler solution. The modules aren't even visible anyways and that space can be reclaimed.

@BetaKeja 3 года назад

@Erik Näslund My first reaction was to use the adjustable height "modules" and leave the marble divider in place. Might be a desire to see the current design working, or that all the marbles in the pipes would be aligned.

@syncRamon 3 года назад

Wouldnt the "curved marble catcher" make hight adjustment obsolete? I love the "spinning marble devider!!! One at the top and teo below and you have a continuous 4-lane-splitter!

@PiercingSight 3 года назад

Just throwing in my hat to also say, PLEASE use that marble divider design. It will save you SO much grief if you don't have to worry about adjusting heights.

@williametzler3743 3 года назад

I can't engineer or cad or anything, but it definitely looks like the community has got your back, making this project more than yourself and truly embracing it has and will be the way to finish your masterpiece

@bobryant442 3 года назад

At this point it’s pretty clear that the fate of the MMX is to become a modular, community designed marble based music machine, assembled by Martin.

@KillraStealer2 3 года назад

I think this is the right direction. To redesign instead of fixing. I really enjoy following the day to day stuff.

@ithinuel 3 года назад

This probably have been raised multiple times but a thing I keep thinking when I see the «pressure» management and the marble height is that they are not orthogonal. Modifying the pressure changes the height and changing the height (slightly) changes the pressure. This is a mole generator :o In software we call it «separation of concerns». The first two design here seem very appropriate for that matter!

@GoelWCS 3 года назад

Hats off to the auto-adjustable marble divider! 👌👏👏👏👏

@estebanfortu1092 3 года назад

I love to see all the communities ideas put in the MMX. It's like apes together strong

@sabata2 3 года назад

Holy jebus, incorporate practically all of those into your design, AND *THEN* CNC it!

@gillesbkf4315 3 года назад

Got a point there

@killorkubed 3 года назад

This is WAY easier said than done... SOOOOOO many times I have cad drew an entire assembly to start building it, laser cutting 3d printing cnc routing, even manual machining, to realize that the scale I've drawn details in is completely unrealistic, in this project Martin can bring the parts into his total assembly for a much better idea of scale but like I'm working on a custom quadcopter right now, and I keep having to remind myself that the body is only 30mm wide, and I'm not going to be able todo any work inside the body, so everything I design must be able to be soldered/assembled outside of the body and then bolted in, but in cad on my computer screen, the body looks like its 4 inches across... I hope you get the idea, it is a very important part of the process to make things you can hold in your hands, we do it with the laser cutter a lot just out of cardboard so we can get an idea of the fit and feel of a design...

@dsfisher 3 года назад

That marble divider removes the needs for height adjustment. Which is kind of sad considering all the wonderful ideas that exist to solve the height adjustment.

@sabata2 3 года назад

@@killorkubed I think I was more leaning towards the whole "import into the total assembly" than anything else. I've never used CAD, or a 3d printer let alone a CNC machine. I just really want him to get *the full design* set up and *then* start machining. Cause it sounded like he was going to create one piece, fit it in, then another piece, fit that in, etc. And that just seems like a recipe for "moles" to pop up.

@sabata2 3 года назад

@@dsfisher You're talking about that wheel that sent marbles in two directions? We only saw it working under free flow, and not under any back-up or pressure. It *COULD* resolve the height problems, but it isn't definitive yet.

@collinspeulstra6474 3 года назад

Every youtuber eventually becomes pewdiepie. This is Martin’s final transformation

@aryst0krat 3 года назад

I was hoping he'd look at the marble height module suggested in the discord but that new divider would make even that unnecessary!

@Sola9 3 года назад

Finally my day is complete

@Mmmmn520 3 года назад

Same

@PatrickECleary 3 года назад

Same

@patjackmanesq 3 года назад

Yup 😊

@vanillawaffle7303 3 года назад

How the heck, did your comment ten minutes before the video came out?!

@marcserraa 3 года назад

@@vanillawaffle7303 probably Patreon or membership benefits

@ssgLunchbox 3 года назад

I go through this approach daily in my software development work. You do something that works, next week it doesn't work because something else has changed so you put a bandaid on it and move on. Two months later you realize your bandaid fell off and something else isn't working. You do a whole new design and it works great now. The thing to remember is you can't always predict what problems will arise from a solution that solves all of your current problems. Future problems will occur and you either put a bandaid on it, or you reengineer it to be better. I love seeing the physical process to what I do in software every day. Even if it means 10 designs, I love the iteration process this machine goes through.

@JonathanKayne 3 года назад

PLEASE make use of these designs. There are so many issues that you wouldn't have to encounter if you implement them!

@RobBulmahn 3 года назад

You NEED to implement that marble divider. It would solve so many other problems of having to fine-tune height adjustment sections, worry about not getting it right, etc. It's a really elegant solution from an engineering perspective.

@rafhalimaxd 3 года назад

I'm curious, how did Martin go from "I don't have time to make videos" to "I'll make a video every day"? I'm not complaining because I watch them all but I was curious.

@sjege 3 года назад

He hired an editor and reduced his perfectionism stat for this channel.

@squirrel_killer- 3 года назад

He made time I think. It forces him to work in a slower more steady and consistent rate which will mean his work is more effective as he needs to set aside time for the video and while he does so he has time to think. The videos also act as documentation and reflection, further improving his work.

@GrandCorbeau 3 года назад

I think it's because the videos on the main channel demand more work and thoughts into them, whereas on this channel they are more easy to do. And also, on Wintergatan 2, Martin said that having to do one video a day keep him motivated to work and have something to show! :)

@FerHivore 3 года назад

He talked about feeling as though he was prioritizing the production of weekly big-concept videos over working on the machine, so he stopped with the weekly uploads. Then he realized that he can put less effort into documenting some of the more mundane tasks and send the footage off to Hannes to edit. Basically, he’s cool putting less work into shorter, more frequent videos.

@jonored 3 года назад

He changed his standards for these videos; these videos are "good enough" while the others were full of "I am going to tell a good story" perfectionism. "Good enough" happens to also be fantastic in this case and it's a great change to see him make - and I think the difference on our end is not so big as the difference on his. At least at the moment daily seems to be helping him keep on task and perfectionism under control in general, as well; I hope that when that ceases to be the case he won't be too afraid to change it again. Also, he's not doing the editing :)

@jacob.munkhammar 3 года назад

That marble divider is pure genious! No height adjustments needed. So many fever fiddly parts. So many potential moles wacked in one blow! Give some prize to that designer!

@MrGonzonator 3 года назад

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Rossero, you are my hero!

@davielbanister7952 3 года назад

Martin, I know there are already a ton of comments on here about putting in that new marble divider design, but I'm about to add one more. I know you've put in a lot of work and are proud of the adjustable height modules but that new divider design is perfect. It has no moving parts, no adjustment needed, I would imagine its fairly simple to machine, would save you so much time down the line, and free up much needed space on the front of the machine where the modules are currently. I truly don't think there is a better design than it. Be proud of your module design, it's great, but this is a better solution outright. I love your videos, have a good day, and please consider that design more deeply.

@spencerdavis1708 3 года назад

I really think the design that doesn't need the marbles to hit a specific height is going to eventually have to be added

@xeriox16 3 года назад

**when the MMX is done** Gods of engineering: "Martin. What were you doing for so many years ?" Martin: "redesign"

@matthewreich4584 3 года назад

I really hope that the height resistant marble divider gets bookmarked. I am so scared that once all of the other marble paths are put in for the rest of the machine it will get so complicated up at the marble divider something like this new idea will be necessary.

@electra_ 3 года назад

These designs are galaxy brain, especially the curved marble divider. Never would have thought of that in a million years.

@Miller_NotTheBeer 3 года назад

C'mon, you literally have a design that requires no adjustment for marble height, yet you still choose not to implement. I am sure I am speaking for everyone in a sense that we really love seeing your personal improvement, but you seem to still have a habit of trying to work your way though the weeds rather than walking on the trail. I have no clue why you still want to deal with adjustable marble heights rather than going with a zero height adjustment design. Look up the SUNK COST FALLACY. Don't fall into the trap of trying to make your designs work until you have to simply give up on them again. I just don't want you to fall into a funk again.

@Nworthholf 3 года назад

Maybe because he (probably unconscious) enjoys smacking the moles and reinventing the wheel more than he wants the result? Because this is exactly what I do with my side-project - I intentionally do not look up the solutions because the knowledge that the result is possible alone makes finding your own path enjoyable.

@Miller_NotTheBeer 3 года назад

@@Nworthholf Agreed. It is a good feeling to find solutions on your own. I suppose it is all his decision to make. On the other hand, completing projects is also satisfying.

@thewhitefalcon8539 3 года назад

For artistic projects sunk cost fallacy isn't always bad, you don't always want the most efficient solution in your art, that's why it's art. IDK how much Martin values each factor. I can think of a few video game mechanics that make absolutely no sense, but were left over from an early development stage, but make those games uniquely stand out.

@Miller_NotTheBeer 3 года назад

@@thewhitefalcon8539 I see your point. Yes, these offshoots do offer an opportunity for artistic venture. I am not an art focused person, so I have no leg to stand on from that vantage point, but there is no reason you can’t be artistic when starting with a well engineered solution. Can an artist call themselves an artist if they cannot expand off of a functioning base point? Martin is also showing a deep desire (in my opinion) to complete a working instrument. It is clear he wants to reach that goal. If he wants that done in a reasonable amount of time, he needs to focus on what works. Of course, he only set a goal, no timeline. So we could be well having this discussion 20 years down the road and he will still be working on this machine. Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily.

@Wintergatan_2 3 года назад

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@fireskorpion396 3 года назад

nice :D

@mike-drums-maine 3 года назад

Seems like the zig zag design may produce unwanted noise with multiple lanes...

@andy4an 3 года назад

great point. but even if in plywood? possibly that would be acceptable noise?

@IanZainea1990 3 года назад

I think the noise is more because it is plastic, hard plastic is a lot louder. Plus, in rosero's prototype he had a stack of 10 marbles on top, plus a 2lbs weight. Which is going to make it a lot louder. I think in real life it would be quieter (especially when it is more encased like in martins design). Actually, I think i recall rosero saying on the discord that it sounded a lot louder on camera than in real life.

@OntarioTrafficMan 3 года назад

well if Martin implements Rossero's curved-path marble divider idea then the whole part becomes unnecessary anyway

@BloomThat 3 года назад

@@OntarioTrafficMan the zigzag is a height system by itself. It requires no changes to the current marble divider and I don't know why everyone is missing this

@OntarioTrafficMan 3 года назад

@@BloomThat We can see that perfectly well. It's just that creating a height-insensitive marble divider is a more robust and flexible solution. I The zig-zag height module needs to be placed immediately under the marble divider, which is in itself a nuisance, and it itself is yet another part that needs to remain within very tight tolerances to work properly.

@Figulus 3 года назад

After seeing these design solutions, I am so excited for what's to come in the progression of the Marble Machine X project!! The the fish stair entry device and the adjustable modules are a MUST DO! I'm also eager to see what this community produces in terms of the divide-by-four mechanism and its application. I simply cannot wait for tomorrow's video.

@daanwilmer 3 года назад

That calculus "box" is a university-level maths book that weighs about 3 kilos.

@rosserobertolli 3 года назад

Yep, first time I needed it after graduating though

@wombleofwimbledon5442 3 года назад

@@rosserobertolli you sir, are a treasure.

@andersjjensen 3 года назад

@@rosserobertolli Priceless comment! PRICELESS! :D

@InventorZahran 3 года назад

@@rosserobertolli I can't tell if that's because you used calculus in the design process, or if you were just using the book as a literal paper weight...

@rosserobertolli 3 года назад

@@InventorZahran As a paperweight, as usual

@andychapman9956 3 года назад

the critical factor that seems to be present in these new designs seems to come down to two marbles at critical locations

@adamlykkegaard7289 3 года назад

And my soul has been restored after a Day of hard Work...

@fearout 3 года назад

I agree with everyone in the comments. You should totally adopt that height-insensitive marble divider design, it's probably the best design improvement idea in months (if not years). It would eliminate the need in dozens of extra parts, free some space on the machine and streamline the whole system. I'm actually really surprised that you didn't really react to it. I thought you would be on board with it the moment you see it, just as all of us here are.

@hikkeen 3 года назад

For me, that adjustable height module was the coolest design mentioned here. I hope you are able to implement it or something similar.

@aappbb 3 года назад

1:11 The Curved marble catcher is the best improvement in this video. To get rid of the dependency of the gates being exactly correct length and the marbles not queueing with offset from center line will improve the performance on tour. Not having to calibrate the length either with different parts or adjustable pressure reducers will give you less headache.

@bencressman6110 3 года назад

This was so cool! I'm really glad you posted this. You see all the good suggestions in the YT comments and discord, and wonder what you see and what you don't see. Sometimes I feel like there is some good stuff that you miss out on. It was also just cool seeing other people's ingenious designs! I can definitely see some of these concepts getting incorporated into MMY

@DMadHacks 3 года назад

It is Totally Not Meme Review Tuesday my dudes...

@vanillawaffle7303 3 года назад

Yeah... It kinda is

@joesandy1999 3 года назад

Indeed it is, my dude!

@ManuelGennaroMusic 3 года назад

Indeed it is my 👏 fellow 👏 friend!

@adrianshawuk 3 года назад

Found you 👍

@King.-Arthur 3 года назад

I have never felt so confused

@nagualdesign 3 года назад

As a designer myself I must say that I'm very impressed with these designs, as well as the testing/demonstration. The spelling, not so much. 😊

@oivinf 3 года назад

Love the intro. You even have the ironic Swedish throaty vowels. Fantastic

@Khantia 3 года назад

These are some interesting ideas, that will certainly fix the current MMX problems :)

@erikruser6047 3 года назад

(If Martin reads these comments...) Engineering design effort should be expended making the machine accomplish its intended purpose in the most elegant way possible. That means focusing effort on components that directly enable the core purpose rather than some auxiliary function. The purpose of the machine is to lift steel marbles to the top, divide them among the channels, reliably drop the marbles from each channel onto an instrument according to a predefined program, catch those marbles, and return to the beginning of the cycle, all done in an aesthetically pleasing manner. Getting the marbles to sit at an exact height when a channel is full is not a core purpose of the machine. Rather, uneven marble heights in the divider causing it to jam up is a mole, and adjustable length channels is merely a built-in mole hammer. Replacing (or augmenting) the marble divider with the design shown here would instead be upgrading that core component of the machine to be mole-free from the beginning. Additionally, a marble divider that doesn't care about marble stack height would be more aesthetically pleasing because it would allow a return to PMMA tubing all the way from the marble divider to the marble gate. The current design of machined channels hides the marbles inside of it so that the marbles disappear between the divider and when they actually fall on to the instruments.

@wChris_ 3 года назад

please dont ignore a good solution if you see it. dont let yourself be overwhelmed with the sunk cost fallacy. Dont be a hypocrite! Maybe this can be a community driven project, where you delegate design issues away. Also dont push you ideas through if they arent good and let the designers come up with their own original ideas.

@reNINTENDO 3 года назад

All of these designs are fantastic. Nearly all of them I think should at least be heavily considered. And yes, that includes the marble divider as so many people are reiterating. The core concept of your divider remains with the constant radius design, but it solves so many issues. Or at least it has the potential to; it's difficult to know what sort of moles it may generate without actually giving it a more real world use case. What I love about these designs is they are elegant solutions to problems rather than complete redesigns. The fish stair can remain, a rolling marble divider can remain, the current marble gate design can remain. The marble flow largely remains untouched, but variables across the board are reduced.

@Chronohome 3 года назад

This is Star Trek level cooperation.

@principal_optimism 3 года назад

I love how accessible your engineering content is. Going through and picking out episodes, I could base a decent design and tech curriculum on your videos.

@JMPDev 3 года назад

Martin, I’ve been so worried with your current design that despite your system’s adjustability, it would need continuous tweaking as materials sag and reposition over time. Please, please switch to that constant radius marble divider, that will help avoid having to continuously tune your machine.

@mcbeenb 3 года назад

I love this project and the community feedback. That all goes back to you Maarten. You are so open to new ideas and thinking. I know this whole thing is a painful grind for you (and us lol) but I really enjoy the journey with all of it's ups and downs. All that being said, there are some AWESOME designs here. DO IT!!!!

@gunward2835 3 года назад

Opening seconds confirms it: Martin is a 19-year-old. Maybe even a 9-year-old 🤔

@corgano6068 3 года назад

The compact friction / pressure relief and marble gate bit made me actually LOL. It's a single stair / zig zag from the first part of the video, directly on top the gate. Brilliant!

@igortironi1 3 года назад

there's no better way to finish the day.

@AnthonyMassie 3 года назад

Martin, I think it's very cool that you've inspired engineers all over the world to freely and eagerly help you finish the MMX. This project is a big deal to a lot of us, and I think the journey is just as important as the end result. Keep it up.

@ShadowDweller_YT 3 года назад

Whenever Martin is happy, I'm happy as well. :) Fingers crossed for the new prototypes!

@TheGroundedCoffee 3 года назад

The marble machine isn't about the destination anymore, it's about the journey. I'm greatful to be part of that journey, even if it's just as a spectator. Martin, you bring joy in this trying time for the world!

@camron7829 3 года назад

Protect martins smile!

@UnderfundedScientist 3 года назад

With our lives 💪🧠

@zetaconvex1987 3 года назад

True. Martin has a really endearing smile.

@camron7829 3 года назад

@@zetaconvex1987 im totally not waiting so i can say protect martins smile on todays video

@vincenttremblay977 3 года назад

I love that Pewdiepie recently referenced Martin in one of his video and Martin is referencing him with the famous meme review clap. That mix makes me happy.

@ashtonsprunger4647 3 года назад

This was a great episode! (Me from the future)

@9crutnacker985 3 года назад

Very good to see someone (you) not suffering from 'not invented here' egotism, & listening when others offer help. It's gonna save you so much time / headaches - that you can expend on other things. Love this machine :)

@Hexlattice 3 года назад

DESIGN 👏 REVIEW 👏

@mareinnashaw207 3 года назад

THE FISH STAIR PROTOTYPE IS -EXACTLY- WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING! Something that holds back the marbles as they drop into the first fish stair, something attached to the first fish stair and yea, that's it. That's what Martin needs to do, it's perfect.

@asianboi362 3 года назад

Epicness Oh yeah how is the mimosa campaign going, remember I whith you all the way

@SteelSkin667 3 года назад

These are all awesome, but the adjustable height modules is particularly brilliant. Being able to re-adjust the marble height while on the road sounds invaluable.

@OntarioTrafficMan 3 года назад

not as brilliant as the marble divider concept which eliminates the need for height modules altogether

@SteelSkin667 3 года назад

@@OntarioTrafficMan That's true. In the interest of time, the modules seem to be the easiest to implement, but both seem to be a good solution. Hell, including both would actually not be a terrible idea given that it also adds some adjustment on how the marble divider behaves. Extra mallets to whack eventual moles.

@lennytheboss100 3 года назад

@@OntarioTrafficMan yea if he uses the pressure relief system above the gates and the constant radius marble divider, he instantly eradicates the moles hes been fighting with for literally months now. martins designs are super duper cool but have slowly turned into sunken time fallacy. imagine all these finely tuned, interdependent, sensitive, assemblies rattling around in a truck while on tour... :o but these fine minds wacked the hell out of these moles. i just hope that he implements them but ey its his machine

@BetaKeja 3 года назад

@@SteelSkin667 Yeah, a new marble divider has to be designed, and possibly all the adjacent parts as well; like the tracks from the conveyor and the PMA pipes. In theory at least, the adjustable height modules should slot right in. Seeing the adjustable modules in action is actually pretty cool, but I'm leaning towards the new marble divider. It removes the 38 modules you'd need, which have multiple parts each, with a single part. It's also essentially the same design just flipped on its side.