Wow, that was a long vacation ,lol . Glad to is see that your back. After watching that video with you and Richard I started putting my pairs together muscle to muscle and muscle to small type hen, my kit boxes are amazing
Welcome back smitty i,ve been waiting in anticipation for a few months now for you to get some vids on.....by the way excellent content very informative , upload more often
The Roller Pigeon Evolution Smitty Sam quick question we have been searching for a product you have recommended but seems to be discontinued Wazine , what other product would you recommend for deworming your birds? Thanks!
Nice pigeons I've been dealing with colors since 1990 but they got to have brains colors M performance those three ingredients have to stay together if they want to stay with me
Excellent video, I liked the bit when u talked about big mussel cock bird on to smaller hens pairing, ave always done that, thanks to you guys keep up loading videos ur doing a great job, shout out to Danny the camera man, big Dog and sam Smitty👍🏼👌🏻💯
I live in Philadelphia i love the pigeon, especially the black ones that look like they have lace in white on their wings , an one white one that has a rusty color stripe across his wings are they all different breeds an normal grey and black
Going to definitely start with this approach going forward. I know you have done a video on colour types but I think a lot of beginners struggle with some of the markings e.g. A blue bar, bald head or badge, with white flights and so on. I really struggle with that so I can properly describe a birds colour and markings for my records. It would be great if you could do a video on that.
We have talked about this at Hectors house I've been trying it out since and have noticed the type is better but since I started late because of B.P's have not seen the roll yet hoping next year to advance my % of good bird's/Champions ✌👍👍👍😎
Great video. very interesting. I would like to see more videos of some birds in the air if the birds of prey allow you to do so over there at this time.
Great video as usual. Just a quick question please. Why some rollers don’t roll but we still call them Rollers? I see that clearly in my bald head ones
Great explanation, I love your way and I started to follow it, I have muscles males brothers crossed them with two smaller longer in body type sisters, produced 7 so far I didn’t fly them yet due to winter here in Canada but they will be my team for spring this year 2021. I don’t usually keep pigeons for breeding, I fly all from April to Oct and from Oct to March I breed, my theory that if you don’t fly then you are gone.
Hello Smitty, my name is Ricardo Gomez , I just wanted to ask you if you can share any progress on the blue star family ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge .
why don't you show us all the written Standard for this type of Roller ? How many roller fancier's do what you are preaching , and what are their successes ?
Sam Smitty you're the best you know your s***God bless you and your family and your birds you got some beautiful birds I like your style the way you carry yourself b u t t a s loft Long island Suffolk county New York
Smitty, about Bull eye, in pigeons, orange is Dominant to pearl or grey eyes, if you mate two birds that are Pure ( homozygous) for orange in this case, all you will get is orange eyed birds, they simply do not have anything else to offer. White on their heads have nothing to do with bull . I have right now all white headed boirds that have pearl eyes, and no bull eyes, As a matter of fact they only produce more pearl eyed ybs because that is what they have geneticaly for eye color, same if they were orange.
Sir is it possible to do a series of 5pairs in your RU-vid channel where you update with one clip every week on those five pairs (breeding progress) of those youngs we got out of those five pairs grow for 35days ?
1st clip Filming that pair when you choose their partners 2nd clip Filming the birds when they laid eggs 3rd clip Filming the youngsters when they've hatched 4th Filming them when they grow color 5th clip Filming them when they start eating by themselves Last clip. Filming them when they start flying for them selves.
I'm in NYC, & i have 6 bald head rollers, & I'm looking for a roof or back yard to keep them & fly them. They're in kick boxes. I'm willing to pay to use the roof or back yard.
I know it’s been 3 yrs since this video was uploaded about Richard’s theory that worked for him. Just checking in with folks who practiced this theory. What was your result? Did it increase your percentage of performance?
Hi Smitty .Since you live in California i am pretty sure you are familiar with Iranian high flying pigeons . I would like to know your thought on high flying pigeons .I also notice how your birds roll which is different kind of roll that i experienced from the birds i had back home .I used to fly about 50 pigeons about three to four of them roll which was different kind of roll. The birds spin the one that roll fly about six to ten feet vertically then they do three to four roll and start spinning again .I was wondering if you know what causes the bird to roll different than yours.
Smithy/Danny: thanks again for another video. Interesting theory, I respect it, but wouldn’t use it since I follow other methods. You mentioned what would the audience like to see more of? How about depth. birds with depth and control each time it hits the sky. Thanks guys.
A second question, in Richard’s video from about seven months ago talking about the muscle breeding concept, he mentions that he outcrosses a lot in his program and that he has many birds from many different families in his loft to do that with. My understanding is you do not out-cross when you are working on this program within your families. How do you avoid some of the negative side effects of inbreeding and line breeding when you don’t outcross at all? I believe someone else raised the same or a similar question in the comments as well. Thanks much.
Using this theory out crossing is necessary in any type of line breeding if you don’t cross you will breed yourself into a corner in Richard‘s case what he was saying the original base of his family is made up of a large percentage of our crosses mostly 514 birds but they were all from different breeders but the base was 514 that is how he established. His family in the beginning if he finds a bird that has treats and attributes that he would like to bring into his family he outcrosses to bring those traits and attributes in and when he’s finished the original birds are removed keeping only those birds that show the traits that were desirable
I am new to pigeons...period. I know nothing. If your breeders are never flown, how is it that you keep the rolling performance going? Is the rolling not a genetic trait? Like I said, I know nothing about pigeons
Performance is always cultivated from the air using the system any hens can be stocked from the air when producing flyers Coxs that carry muscle are cultivated in the loft and never flown Cocks are not stocked from the air unless they carry outstanding muscle
Jokersalive 1 Eye sign don’t mean much. But just look out for crack eyes or bullseye. Those are traits that can be passed down to the birds offsprings. Other than that, it’s just your own perspective on pearl eye or orange etc.
what is the advantage that Richard explained to you with this method? from what I recall in the video he doesn't try to "develop" a tight gene pool and said he "outcrosses", is this right?
He actually breeds from a very tight group of birds now in the beginning when he was formulating his base of his family he crossed in many different birds from many different breeders mostly 514 birds but from several sources along with other families he does three-quarter mating and sister mating and in some cases a form of line breeding but he does work with a tight group of birds if he find something that he likes within another family he will introduce it without hesitation he’s constantly trying to improve his quality speed and performance
He doesn’t have either a website or a book this is knowledge that I’m trying to make sure that people have an opportunity here this is his perspective and way of doing things thanks for watching make sure you subscribe
Mr.Fabian Blackman This theory is the brainchild of Richard Apodaka he has spent 40 years developing and proving it I am just being it to the masses And have put it into practice in my loft with great results
hello, my name is dimitri , first of all i apologize for my poor english . i have one question for you and that would be where do the baby pigeons take the most of their flying skills from ? the father or the mother ? i understand that a cock determine the muscle but which one of the parents determine the flight ? thank you very much .
I think flying skills are something that are inherited from both parents it’s been my experience that some birds are poor flyers both of the parents may display this characteristic or only one so I think it’s one of those factors that both parents contribute to flying habits and their ability to kit
Hi. Have a good day. I am interested in to produce colors pigeons of unique combination. Would you have chart of breeding expectations. Which factor or gene or modifier has what type of affect or role in color of birds. Thank Hussain Shah
Can a all white pigeon and a all brown pigeon suppose to have all black baby all the time because I have them.I just annoyed because I want brown a white ones but I get black.Please respond.
klphoenixrollers From a conversation with Smitty, it is assumed that all his Muscle breeders come from proven performing stock as all his family is very closely related and, as he stated in another of his videos, he almost does zero cross breeding so he knows what he’s working with. So I agree with you and he does support that theory. Thx
Is it difficult to move to a new location with this type of pigeon? I'm interested in getting into this, but I will probably be moving into a new house in about 2 years. I know with homing (racing) pigeons that can be almost impossible.
Are you saying that each and every hen that is produced from this theory are of the same TYpe ? That's each and every one produced, or are you just using Selection ?
YO I am from sri lanka I know tha way we make pigeons dif from yours but I have two problems first I have two females which does not lay eggs and now it has been almost 7 or 8months and both of them are paired but still not even eggs second I have this female which lays eggs and when I free the male pigeon just to spin and that females male goes this is like the 4th time and now it doe not want to get paired
I don’t see why it wouldn’t apply to tumblers and racing homers although I’ve never tried it on either of those braids If you do try the system please let me know what your results are I would be very interested to know
@@therollerpigeonevolutionsm7763 no problem. hopefully i get mention when you make the video. I've been having bird since i was six and now I'm barely getting into the genetic about the bird, you've helped me put a lot. Thank you.
Hi Smitty, sorry but i don't agree with this theory you are pushing. I do enjoy your videos but you do not show us the hens that produced these Muscle birds, very important factor. Why not Breed to your "Ideal" in what you want in a roller. Typically mating a overly large bird with a much smaller bird will give "unpredictability" in their offspring. Better to mate at least one that is "Ideal" in T"ype" and that is what you will do better with.
