Thank you so much for this video! This is the best explanation of white veganism that I’ve come across. As a mixed race vegan I’ve been trying to educate myself about the topic but it’s been hard to find resources. Thank you again!!
I've noticed some people online recently that would say shockingly racist things, and then claim that they're morally correct because they're vegan, which made me have some... thoughts. I started looking for information on "white veganism" to see if there were any other people talking about this, and the first video I saw was unfortunately one saying that white veganism doesn't exist and that it's perfectly okay to only care about animals, and that honestly just felt like it was placating white people. Your video makes a lot more sense, and it gives me something to think about, so I appreciate it :)
Part of me wonders if there are white people who exclusively speak about veganism and animal liberation simply because non-human animals are a group that cannot speak for themselves, so they can't push back against anything they're doing incorrectly, as opposed to BIPOC or LGBTQ+ people who have the power to speak for themselves and can push back against any savior complex behavior.
Thank you for watching and seeing the past comments on here of so many people offended by this message reconfirms the commitment that whiteness is still centered on the animal rights movement. I've divested from the [dominant] culture of the movement due to its white supremacist tactics. Thank you again for watching
Oh? And what’s this shocking and morally reprehensible things they said? That black people aren’t the center of the universe or that being white is not a crime against humanity?
Im an omni and dont agree with the fundamental premise that eating meat and animal products is innately immoral but i am concerned about inhumane capitalist practices in animal ag, environmental/carbon impact and public health impacts of excessive meat consumption. Lately i have been reading and enaging in online spaces where the ethics of veganism/meat consumption are debated out of interest for finding perspectives that may add to my thinking on the ethics and sustainability of our relationship to nonhuman animals. Ive been apalled and disturbed by the lack of intersectional awareness and respect for human rights displayed in the behaviors of white veganism that are quite prevalent in these spaces. I greatly appreciated your comments and analysis here and admire your commitment to liberation and efforts to educate on these matters in the face of reactionary abuse and threats. Thank you for what youre doing to work for a more just world and all the best. 🙂
Thank you so much! And I agree that both human and non-human animal liberation exists on spectrums and that people have different ways to engaging in forms of liberation for their work regardless if they are vegan or not. Thank you for supporting
Very good video. I hope you continue with this style of video since, at least in my experience, total liberation isn’t well represented when it comes to long form video content- especially on RU-vid. One point though - you do talk very quickly at times towards the end of the video so it can be at times difficult to keep up with the subtitles. Thanks for taking the time to make this video!
Thanks so much and there are many more published resources out there that I have on my blog and citing some papers! Thank you for the feedback, I'm always looking to improve as these were filmed last year and I am finding a balance with speaking + visuals!
So happy that you made a video about this issue! I feel like the discussion of whiteness within veganism is never brought up, so it was nice to see someone actually talking about it.
Thank you so much and it is really difficult to bring into certain spaces. I believe that if we are not confronting white supremacy within animal rights movement, it will deter us from achieving total liberation.
Perfect explanation. It's clear to me that white veganism is embedded in saviourism; I have generally found that those who fail to recognise the interconnectedness of oppression/liberation also fail to explain why non-human animals in the industrial system have been historically oppressed and exploited in the first place, which is why they often find a solution within capitalism (eg. plant-based industrial agriculture) acceptable.
Yes, there is a lot of ego when it comes to it and if you look at how other people situated in Global South countries are adopting white veganism tactics it's because animal rights organizations send these individuals over to preach their practices and tactics. It's sad when I see other BIPOC defending these type of people and become their own oppressors to their community.
The other animals need as many human beings to speak up for them as possible, whether they have a saviour complex or not. They don't care what colour our skin is.
Thank you so much for creating this 💗And thank you for citing the other leaders too, this introduced me to them! The part about them choosing to draw comparisons between animal rights and slavery and the holocaust while simultaneously rejecting the intersectionality of white supremacy, harm to BIPOC communities, and veganism sums it up so well. Let's get this video to 1 million+ views!!!!
This is an incredible video, thank you for taking your time and energy to put it out here. I recognized my journey with anti-racism and becoming aware of white Supremacy, colonialism, and patriarchy before I decided to go plant based. I see there is a lot of saviorism in many vegan spaces and a lot of self hatred that is actually projected out onto others. For a movement centered around compassion for other beings, I have seen incredibly nasty and hateful and judgemental comments coming from vegans to other vegans. If you cannot have compassion for where people are in their journey, how do you ever expect them to meet you where you are? Most of us were not born vegan. For many it takes time to truly understand, and for us to do the work to make the changes to live from that place of compassion. I can see how many vegans have not done a lot of that internal work to deprogram themselves from the racist, colonialist, patriarchal, misogynistic, homophobic conditioning.
Thank you so much for sharing and our journey to total liberation is not linear and its almost difficult for us to unpeel multiple layers of oppression. And that is the reason why I have decided to no longer engage in many of the dominant spaces because they lack nuance and understanding.
@@queerbrownvegan Yeah RU-vid obviously doesn't match ads to video content. Like a vegan who's there for the vegan video ain't gunna rush out for a Double Whopper. A Plant Based Whopper perhaps but the Whopper in the Ad had Beef, Bacon & Egg.
Well said. I didn't know about the term *"Theoriocide"* so thanks for raising awareness about that. If it's discouraged for vegans to use the term "slavery" when talking about animals, is there a suitable word to represent their oppressed status? Similar question for the sexual exploitation of animals? I agree that many activists try to use more provoking language than education, but how many people would know words such as "Theriocide"? There's a hard balance of trying to provoke emotions without being insensitive to others.
I recently became vegan and was surprised to come across the term "white veganism." My first impression was that it was a gripe of racial minority activists who believed white vegans were too concerned about animals and not willing to devote the same energy to defending minorities against racism. As a white who thought he was an antiracist in the Ibrahim X. Kendi sense of the word, long before I became a vegan, it is disconcerting to me to be labeled a "white vegan." I am reminded of my own history back in my twenties when I met my first vegan at a National Organization of Women meeting. I flippantly asked why she didn't prioritize feminism instead of animals. She very rightly told me that she was capable of being concerned about both animal and women's rights. Here I am forty years later, and I feel the same gripe is being thrown at me as a white vegan. Why aren't we more "intersectional?" Just like her, I have to answer that I am concerned about many social issues, not just animal rights. I have attended BLM, anti-nuclear, anti-war, and many other demonstrations. I worry that vegans are already too small a minority to afford division based on other issues.
I'm so happy to have found your channel & this video!!! It was like a saving grace. I'm a currently skeptic meateater who was making my research on the meat industrial industry and veganism & while there were good points thrown around I could not get past the savior-istic attitudes, weak comparisons to other forms of oppression, as well shallowly mentioning practices from other cultures like pokemon cards to prove a point. It all left a bad taste in my mouth. I noticed a pattern from white vegan ytube comments that meateaters are unenlightened, uneducated, and even brainwashed, which might be fine to think that of white 1st-world meateaters , but can get racist VERY quickly if you extend that perspective towards Black & brown people. Most topics of discussions basically ran around in circles & depended on a western either/or line of logic--which again fits discussing to someone of that same background, but disregards folks who have grown in completely different cultural fundamental values. It's very easy to misjudge a value that's so alien to us by twisting/appropriating it in a way that makes sense to our limited framework on how we view life. There's historical danger of white ppl reacting to the global majority without accounting their own biases. It's so important to include all kinds of voices in a movement that has goals to reach the whole human population. Anyways, I've subscribed and am excited to learn more! Def much more comfortable into starting my plant-based diet journey.
Thank you so much for this! The discourses around veganism are often non-intersectional and honestly Anti-Black & Anti-Indigenous. I love to be very nuanced in my approach of veganism. Welcome to the community :)
The word holicoaust is is just another way of saying genocide like thats literally what it means like i dont like how people treated like its an actual slur its not
You are correct, saying Holocaust is not a slur and refers to the genocide of Jewish people. What I don't stand is many animal rights activist using the term Holocaust as a way to describe the suffering of non-human animals. As the killing of non-human animals in mass can be referred to as theriocide than using Holocaust that was specific in history
@@queerbrownvegan I would like to present just one way why calling all people to be vegans is not "justice oriented". Many people have switched to primarily meat based diets and found it to be extremely beneficial to their health sometimes even curing or alleviating chronic illness. So by calling for everyone to be vegan is in fact oppressing those who have accrued health benefits from a meat based diet. By describing veganism as the most "morally correct" diet you are suggesting that those who are eating meat are "morally incorrect". Therefore those people who have cured their illness through eating meat are morally incorrect? The logic doesn't work out does it? Nor does it sound very "justice oriented" to me. I would suggest you to adopt a more inclusive view point that allows everyone to eat what they want based on what their body responds well to. This includes meat.
@@queerbrownvegan”queer” is still a slur, by the way. No self respecting gay person would willingly put that idiotic label on him or herself. Only straight activists with pronouns in their twitter bio and woke morons use that term.
I agree with most of what you say here... but at 3:30, you say making comparison between slavery and the Jewish Holocaust means a failure to condemn white supremacy. But how did you come to that conclusion? "Theriocide" is not a well-known term. Veganism is a necessary grieving process. It's not causing more trauma to use "Holocaust", because the trauma is already inherent to the cause. This feels like shooting the messenger. Education requires some provocation. I'm sorry you received a death threat. That's unacceptable. I hope you stay safe. I am a Vegan against White Supremacy and a Jew against the Animal Holocaust.
Oh my, I'm sure you and the others who practice white veganism would sit down together in a table because both groups spill nonsense comments like these. Toodles
