Hi, i try to understand ball-layouts better and be able to now more how that affects the ball-roll. You ad the angle-numbers up to become a total. (in your example: 50 and 55 gives a total of 105) How does that number relate to ballmotion? Am i right to say that the lower that number is, the earlier the ball reads the lane and the earlier the ball hooks. And how higher that number is, the later the ball reads the lane and hooks later. Example: lets say we have a layout of 40°x 4 1/8 x 25° Your thoughts on that?
Wow I have tried and tried how to figure out the angles of the layout etc multiple times and here in less than 10 minutes it was a piece of cake awesome work excellent video one of the best I've seen.
Thanks for the video. I am trying my hardest to learn this stuff. My question is: If you play around with the PAP to Pin measurement like you said. For example going from 5 1/2 to 4 1/2 would that change the PAP? If so, then why would you do that if the PAP is supposed to the most important thing? Just trying to figure it all out.
The only thing my PSO told me that was worth writing down about the last ball I had drilled was 5 5/8 over and 1" up. These figures only represent my PAP though right? I don't think he provided me with what my layout was despite asking.
Jr just drill a p2 4x4x2 and throw it for 12 games. You'll love it. You keep drilling your stuff long and deep with less flare. Drill it 4x4x2 and let the p2 be what it's designed to be
Great comment. I don't have a phase 2 and I by no means have layouts mastered but when my PSO asks me what I am looking for out of a new ball that I am having drilled I always say that I am looking for the ball to do what it is designed to do because that is why I bought it to add to my arsenal and that is how I intend to use it.
very informative and Awesome explanation of the various angles and the total number and their relations to the Balls motion,, Much more for the Laemans man who doesnt know all the tech info
Don't drill half the pin out, that just makes it more likely to crack at some point. If it's that close to the holes tweak the layout so you drill the whole thing out!!
i have an iq tour and have it at 4x4x2 using the storm vector system. the ball is very predictable and smooth with that layout, try it on a phaze 2 and see what you get
I just had a Hammer N U Blue drilled this week. The pro shop operator told me that my drilled pattern is: 40x30x10; I assume that the units are in degrees ?? I was also told that my PAP is 4" across and 1" up. Why am I confused after viewing this video?
I asked the PSO to record the N U Blue drilled pattern. He wrote down 40x30x10; that does not make much sense for me. I expect an "anglular" by "distance" by "anglular" discription of the drilled pattern. I will ask the PSO to verify his information when I next see him. I would appreciate any clarification here, if possible.
Does this still apply to a symmetrical ball drilled with a thumb hole but you’ve determined your PA P without using your thumb and measuring from the center of the bridge
Just a dumb question but looking at you symmetric ball at 7:02 does drilling into the pin or even close to it void the warranty on the ball. I was told you need to stay 1 in away to keep a warranty. Not that it is important to people who have sponsors. That and as long as your balls are cared for and not left in hot or cold conditions it is not likely one would split anyway.
Would need JR to confirmed as I'm not a PSO but I believe Mo Pinel said that the only real difference is the center of the grip is between the finger holes since there's not a thumb hole drilled. Here's the channel ru-vid.com. Just searched "two handed" or "no thumb" and it'll bring up the videos he has. There's a lot of interesting videos around layouts on there. Mo is one of the best out there as far as understanding ball motions and layouts.
I have a Columbia white dot. It has a bullet core. But I don't have a pin so how do I do the same thing you did in this video without a pin to work with
I was just wondering if there was a possibility you could do a video on how to determine what your layout is on an existing bowling ball when you’re no thumb bowler and how it differs from finding a layout for a bowler with the thumb. Thanks
The center of your grip is between the two finger holes. The rest of the measurements are the same. So when he draws a line from the two finger holes and the thumb hole then marks the center, that step is eliminated and you just use the middle of your two finger holes.
at the simplest: The 60×6×40 will have a longer skid and the ball will tend to rev up faster and transition faster from the hook into the roll phase of the ball. The 40×6×60 will have a shorter skid and the ball will tend to rev up slower and transition slower from the hook into the roll phase of the ball. Dual Angle Info: The Dual Angle Layout Technique is made up of three measurements: 1. The Drilling Angle: Which affects the length of the skid phase of the ball. Higher angles = A Longer Skid phase. Lower angles = The quicker the transition into the hook phase. 2. The Pin to Positive Axis Point (Pin-to-PAP) distance: The Pin to PAP distance affects the amount of the flare. 3. The Vertical Axis Line (VAL) angle: Controls how long the ball remains in the hook phase. Smaller Angles to the VAL lowers the RG, and increases the total differential of the ball. This results in the ball reving up faster and transitioning faster from the hook into the roll phase of the ball. Larger Angles to the VAL raises the RG, and decreases the total differential of the ball. This results in the ball reving up slower and transitioning slower from the hook into the roll phase of the ball. The comparison of Drill angle and VAL angle is expressed as a Ratio... Drilling Angle:VAL Angle Ratios determine the balls break shape. 1. The drill angle helps determine the length of the skid phase of ball motion. 2. The val angle helps determine the length of the hook phase of ball motion. 3. The drill angle + val angle = the total length of ball motion before the ball reaches the roll phase. A. A higher ratio of the drill angle to the val angle = longer and quicker reaction to the dry. (more of a skid /snap ball motion) B. A lower ratio of the drill angle to the val angle = earlier and slower reaction to the dry (smoother & more continuous ball motion.)
