What Luke Skywalker Saw in BEN SOLO'S Mind (Star Wars Remix) 

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So the scene from ESB where he sees his skull inside vaders mask came true.

I think just sensing palpatine would cause a kneel jerk reaction from Luke alongside other things that he saw

Much like the rest of the movie. They looked at it without watching it.

@@BTTFMovie Like the whole damn Saga. They watched but didn't see. Like Wesley Snipes says in White Men Can't Jump about white men listen to Jimi Hendrix but don't hear him. :D

I heard that Palpatine laughing his evil ass off

That's exactly, kinda, pretty much the way I saw the movie. It's a bit of a spoiler because Leia sent Rey before she was blown off the ship, but you just think of Hosnian and how he allowed that to happen was probably enough. The Skywalker Academy and Rey's Takodana vision were also in my head, as well as a few other 'unimaginable' things, thinking of what Anakin did and the present speculation of Grogu.

After Exogol, I think Rey dropped Ben off on Ahch-To by the fire to be in exile for a while to contemplate his atonement arc. I think the questions are... How did he come back? How does time work in the Cosmic Force? What will be his atonement to the galaxy for his wrong-doings? When will we find out if this is a suitable case for a story treatment? *Star Wars: Afterlife* (based on George Lucas' sequel story treatments) My theory is that Leia and Ben disappeared at the same time so she could give her life-Force to him to resurrect him. But first, she took him through something similar to Yoda's journey with the Whills (TCW: Season 6) in the Cosmic Force, but for his personal atonement with his family. Once that is done, I think Anakin could appear as a Force Ghost. After everything is settled in the Cosmic Force, she returned him to Rey. She took him to Ahch-To somewhere in the time frame, before she went back to Tatooine, but after the big celebration. There was supposed to be an arc with Kylo/Ben, Rey, and Luke on the island. That never happened because it would spoil the next movie a bit. It would spoil Ben's death at the end. We are meant to think he's just dead...for now.

Always how I saw it

It doesn't make a lick of sense. He had already redeemed one of the most evil men in history while being a fledgling jedi. Now, years later he's supposed to be a powerful jedi master and yet he doesn't even attempt to save his nephew? Gtfoh. This was a terrible way to force Luke out of the spotlight and a spit in the eye to fans of Luke and OT.

⁠@@matthewrutters6842Did you miss the part where I mentioned “trauma”? Let’s recap everything Luke and his family have been through over the years. Their home planet was destroyed and their family and mentor were killed. Both Han and Leia were captured and tortured, Luke had his hand cut off, not to mention the revelation that the monster who’d put them through so much was their own father. Do you honestly expect somebody to go through all that and come out completely unscathed? Luke isn’t perfect, he never had been. Remember when he lashed out at Vader when he taunted him about turning Leia to the Dark Side? In this case, he could sense Snoke’s influence in young Ben. He saw his future and reacted in a moment of panic, but quickly his mistake. Ben didn’t give him the chance to explain himself.

Its so good

Imagine this in the theater. I kinda love the palps scream

Yeah but then people would complain that they spoiled Leia dying or something similar.

But only reason that things like the special editions of the original trilogy were done in the first place is because George Lucas wanted to do it. The main difference is that both JJ and Rian are completely satisfied by their own movies and thus aren't likely to change it. I'm just saying in my opinion.

@@jacobberg373 yeah I hear ya bro 👍

@@SkellyTan Thanks

ignite my green blade

I mean, when you’ve internalized the teachings of a warrior religion that emphasizes action for the sake of the greater good even at the expense of family and friends (as Jedi do not have attachments), yeah, that’s what would happen in a moment of pure instinct.

@@ATATChat Seeing that Luke would do exactly that, and then regret it immensely, does this too add on to his disillusionment with the Old Jedi Order?

It def helps imo for a lot of folks who had some issues with this concept. I think for me, sound design was enough, but some people need to see the horror that Luke saw.

This is probably my favorite thing to do right now. Might just continue.

That would be really cool to see. Plus it's something involving star wars where someone isn't complaining about something and focusing on the positive.

YO KIND SIR!

Want to hear Ben Solo get real again

@@Rey20171 Of course

@@molliethomas2585 Here's something that you would not expect Ben Solo to say particulary about fandom menace and the one who started it all.... G&G Ben: (Sighs) You know people like him and people like them....I feel very sorry for them honestly. In fact I feel...I just think it's very sad, it's sad to watch people putting so much effort into being angry all the time or forcing it even if there's nothing to be angry about. I know I should hate them because look what the other half of the fandom has to deal with even if they're just scrolling online and they see all this junk, all this crap from these guys and some girls let's not generalize. (Sighs) I just see a lot of myself in them really. I see a lot of what i used to be in many of these fellas especially that guy with the baseball cap uh... I pity him not because I think he's a scum I mean he's definitely rude and....offensive and borish but like...(Sighs) does he really want to be like that all the time. And most important is he really happy, happy with himself, does he have friends I hope he does. Does he have kids I'm sure he does and I'm sure he's good to them... God bless him if there are kids. I'll extend the same sentiment to the other guys you have kids good on you, you have people you love dearly in your life...family...god bless you I hope they're all well. I really do. But at one point you know do you think it's time to take a good look at yourselves in the mirror it's not because I think you're bad or they're bad but look what you're turning into , look at the image and the trap you're falling into just because you're angry at.... make believe. And look I understand I do Hollywood is a backstabber just like the government, just like Wall St. , even the education system has become a scam things that used to be highly valued suddenly don't matter no more. I think I understand the fandoms grievances more than I even want to admit and it's not just...it's not just my immediate fans that are hurting. Ahem. (Coughs) Anyway, you people are becoming an easy target for slander, you got these bozos in the PR and media sites painting you as monsters does that make it right are they right for doing that. You're putting yourselves in a position that is going to forever paint you as someone you don't really want to be. And not for nothing some of you do have a gate keeping mentality.... but you know who else does, you know who else used to be a gate keeper, you know who else used to lash out in anger when something goes wrong or wants to kill everything that brings bad memories... Me. Once upon a time I was a walking definition of entitled fan boy I worshipped ....you guys worship my grandpapa. I worshipped my grandpapa and practically dressed up as a wanna be cosplay of him but with a more uglier mask, I'm sorry my mask doesn't compare to Pop's. (Sighs) You all cheered when Pop slaughtered a bunch of rebels in the hallway in Rogue One.... So did I. And because I acted like an asshole everyone treated me like an asshole, media treats me like an asshole, merchandise prop me up with my old costume, i get hit with the term toxic masculinity, I'm an alt right figure or get called Nazi on twitter and shit.... in a way I'll always be looked at in one way even though I stopped. and you know what I don't care if I still get labeled , I don't expect people to change how they feel about me , I had to earn it I still have to earn it but all the while I don't care what people think of me these days. Some people might change their minds and some will never approve of me. I don't think I'm a complete angel but I'm not a sleeze, shady mofo either. (Clearing throat.) I understand that the climate that we're in...is a jungle the political climate is a jungle and no one is immune to getting censored, or canceled or persecuted like we're in the modern day "Crucible" or "1984" I get that the SJW culture war is...what you are passionate about the most and you don't want entertainment to get overly saturated with it. I get it. The PC culture is out of control but you people are also falling into that trap so now it is easy to get pummeled with slander and uh...I think it's sad. It really does make me sad to see how much anger there is in these people because that's the anger I used to have and it still haunts me. I think you people and that includes you geeks, gamers...I think you need to start looking at yourself in the mirror and make peace. Do I think there will ever be a time when the fandom can hold hands and sing kumbaya all day long, I don't think so but I think maybe look in the mirror and try to save yourself from further self destruction and having a permanent image one that may effect you for the rest of your life. And it's why i can't really hate even if I wanted to I don't have that in me anymore to hate.... i just can't do it. No one deserves it. No one.

@@Rey20171 That's true for everyone, really

Rey who has been listening the whole time brings it up to Ben later on. Rey: I was listening to you and what you said talking about the fandom. Ben: Uh-huh. Rey: Wasn’t expecting you to have such... neutral words I thought you were gonna go hard. Ben; I did. With the truth, a truth that I know they’re aware of but are just losing a sense of.... just becoming more and more out of touch and consumed and when you’re out of touch and driven can you truly by happy? Rey: No.Ben: There is a price to be paid when you behave and talk in a way that has people paint a picture of you. Even though they form alliances within this sub group of the fandom it doesn’t mean everyone else will think kindly. There are consequences with this behavior and toxicity that runs rampant one that i wouldnt wish on anyone because becoming a stereotype, having labels thrown on you even such words as being called racist, sexist, xenophobic, alt-right , incel, even snowflake and SJW, those are some very serious words especially when nazi and hitler gets thrown and that’s very triggering to a lot of people especially those that have survived the Holocaust or know people who have survived that horrific event. I get tired of hearing those words all of them get thrown loosely and It seems that this sub group in the fandom has fallen into that trap of becoming well to some people heroes but then become the very thing they try to avoid being. And I think it’s very sad. I know you probably have some grievances with this group because they said some terrible things about you including Mary Sue. Rey: I used to. And i definitely don’t like the way some of them talk about women and female fans. But when all is said and done Ben they’re all people we don’t know them: the fact of the matter is is that we all need to try harder to be kind because you don’t know what anyone is going through. Ben: I try to remember that. I’m just very protective of you. But if we want people to come together and the fans to treat each other better we have to tell the truth. One that is not trying to push anyone away but try to look inside themselves and have a chance to redeem themselves and everyone is capable of it. Even if you think they don’t deserve it. Rey: Treat people the way (looks Ben in the eyes) you would want to be treated. Ben: Yes dear.

I'm really hoping he's going to eventually encounter Ahsoka, who will share her perspective. I've always felt that a lot of what Luke said to Rey in TLJ sounded straight out of Ahsoka's experiences - even moreso after CW season 7.

@@raelshark Yes but i mean Luke specifically, like Ahsoka was indoctrinated by The Jedi just as Obi Wan and Yoda were which is why she found it to be such a shock when she was banished. The only other Jedi who wasn't indoctrinated was Anakin and thanks to that he was more of an unconventional Jedi that did things differently but the Jedi didn't know how to handle that so they restrained him as much as possible which is why he felt they were holding him back. Due to his lack of indoctrination Luke is on the outside looking in when it comes to The Jedi and he's less inclined to agree with what the Jedi of the past did and want to change it up.

I think just hearing Palpatine's laugh was good enough because its like he's only in the shadows, but still nevertheless powerful in his evil.

@@jacobberg373 I really wish they would’ve added something like that at the end of TLJ, even just a black screen with a faint emperor cackle then cut to credits would’ve been mind blowing

@@rango3780 Well, we didn't see the construction of the second death star at the end of Episode 5, so I don't think it really matters

@@jacobberg373 yeah sure but it would’ve given the trilogy so much more continuous legitimacy even with something that small

this is exactly what happened in the film and as explained by the writer and director as well as the novel..........i just added the imagery lol

HAHAHAHAHA

Needed a break!

So that's to add to the idea that what Luke saw wasn't necessarily true in regards to kylos future/ misinterpreting some of what he saw.

@@ATATChat That’s really interesting. Kinda like how Kylo saw that Rey’s parents sold her for drinking money, even though they didn’t.

@@bensherstinskymusic EXACTLY

@@ATATChat Force vision are both true and false in their predictions as the Force works in mysterious ways

Kylo bled his. But still curious about Lukes!

Ben's lightsaber became the basis for his iconic crossguard. Luke probably threw his saber away in shame.

I think Luke handed it over to the fish nuns on Ach-to, iirc. Probably wrong about that though.

@@ATATChat - I've always had this thought that sometime after, Rey would, in one way or another, find Luke's lightsaber and collect with the other two (Anakin's and Leia's) together. Although not as legendary Anakin's, it was his mark as a Jedi Knight. If nothing else, it'll serve as fuel for fanfics...

While I babysit rats

@@Rey20171 Interesting

And then he would have to explain to Han and Leia that it was totally okay for him to murder their son in his sleep because he had bad vision, and considering Han appears to have always been dismissive of the Jedi and Leia was a dropout because she wanted to believe she actually loved her son, and the First Order was going to rise even without him all Luke would've done was destroy his relationship with Han and Leia and ultimately do nothing to actually save the people Hux had blown up. Just like daddy let Palpatine take over the galaxy because he had a bad dream, truly Luke is his father's son.

@@1993digifan Leia also sensed that Ben was living in darkness…

@@blo0dybubble330 Further proving that she was always a terrible mother from start to finish (it did after all kill her to do the bare fucking minimum) since all she ever did was push Ben away since he never filled her fantasy of the right child and dared to be sad that after waking up to have his teacher and uncle with a sword over his head that Ben DIDN'T go to her after the only thing she ever did for him was shit him out of her, instead going to the only person (Snoke) that was always there for him in his head never leaving his side from before he was even born to when Luke decided to murder him over a bad dream unlike the incest twins who in our world would likely support euthanizing all the mentally ill since it would be too much effort to actually help them when just killing them is quicker and easier.

@@1993digifan I don’t even feel like typing a big ole paragraph trying to explain to you about how the story is much deeper than just “bad dreams” essentially being actually real

@@blo0dybubble330 Like how the Space!Lannisters were just like Jedi in the PT being so incompetent with mental and emotional health that they drove Ben to the DS by making it perfectly clear that they never loved him, never believed in or supported him, would drop him the first chance they get, and by being just the worse they made Snoke/Palps (the person that was grooming Ben since he was a fetus and the twins were too busy fucking each other to notice or care about anyone or anything that didn't boost their own ego) look better by comparison. They were as Thrawn would say "The architects of their own destruction", just like their father they caused the misery they saw.

I disagree but thats ok too 🙂

Why do we say Luke didn't see the good in Ben? Did he not stay his hands? Did he not refrain from striking? Is he not the one who tells his sister "No one is ever really gone"?

@@ATATChat Why do give hearts to everyone even if you don't agree with them?

I dont work in shouldnts.

You call Grogu a baby even though he is 50 years old. And according to TroKR the temple was blown up by a massive bolt of Force lightning that came from the sky, so if Grogu was there Ben didn't kill him directly and since he was never shown using Force lightning in the movies it can be questioned if he actually did blow up the building or if it was Snoke/Palpatine and he just kept gaslighting Ben to believe that he did and that he meant to send the lightning down.

Pretty sure Disney’s not actually gonna kill off “Baby Yoda.” He’ll be back with Mando some time into Season 3 I’m sure.

@@wedgeantilles101 So true, like I've been telling others with the 15~ year gap between the show and TRoKR that is plenty of time for Grogu to leave, just like throughout the first run of Clone Wars I knew that either Ahsoka would leave or die (always leaning more toward leaving if only so they could keep using her character) to explain her not being in RoS. Knowing Ahsoka's best chance was leaving the order might be one of the reasons I'm one of the few who didn't throw a fit about how that arc ended.

Imo it wasn’t poorly done at all. Another really important point is why the instinct was even there. Why he didn’t learn from his mistake in rotj, and the way I read it is that following the events of rotj and beginning to rebuild a new order, he succumbed to his ego. He fell in love with his own legend: Luke Skywalker, savior of the galaxy, Jedi master. Thus, he was blind to history repeating itself and he ended up reinstating the Jedi order as it was, with all its flaws. So it was his Jedi instincts that ignited the saber. In a sense, he was right to want the jedi order to end, but the problem was that he couldn’t shake off his guilt. It took one final lesson from Yoda for him to be able to move on and redeem himself. Anyways, sorry for the late reply lol. TLJ is not a perfect film but I love it’s themes. We’re all human. We don’t have to be perfect to be a legend.

This is literally what disney gave us.

So basically you need pictures to understand what’s implied? I’m not saying this isn’t a good edit but this isn’t anything more in essence than what the Last Jedi had

@@noahmugan354 It seems that some people need it both explained to them word by word alongside showing it, which I could never get behind.

I figured the audio sound design was enough but yea. I think some folks need the visual.

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