What makes a good 2d platformer? 

Those are both great games but far from the only way to do 2D platformer cameras. And if you mostly have long levels and not a bunch of rooms, they aren’t the best

​@@OctagonalSquareyeah I'm just giving some examples of games that managed to make the camera feel good, saying it's perfectly fine to get inspiration from those. Celeste's camera and hollow knight's may seem like they're the same but they're actually really different. Another great example is Webbed, though that one moves with your cursor. If you want to see different approaches to the camera problem there's a lot of games that solve it in different ways, like dead cells (slow moving camera with fast moving character), Sonic (fast moving character with even faster moving camera), geometry dash (camera fixed to a certain path instead of it being fixed to the character), etc. There's a great video from game maker's toolkit about cameras in videogames

Celest is motlys Static as it's room based, not sure how it would translate to this

@@sitrusjo there's some longer stages later on, also the tutorial has one or two long stages iirc

Exactly what I thought

Thank you for your feedback! We absolutely agree with you! This is the curse of being open about the development, since you have to show very early pre alpha footage that would never end up in the final game like that (although we have some AAA titles in mind that did exactly that)

Looks like I found a video with the answer and an included a code example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3sWTzMsmdx8.html

I agree, coyote time and jump buffering are often overdone, sometimes to the point of actually making things feel worse. When done right, they should be about compensating for input/display lag or discrepancies between hitboxes and visuals, it should be about making the timing challenges feel fair and correct to the limitations of human perception, not trivializing them (or worse, making them feel even less responsive than when they started).

Hitting enemies is more skill based and that isn't being touched If you don't land well on enemies you might simply lose health. Coyote time is all about making the game less punishing. If you don't hit the jump before a ledge you lose a life, restart and frustrate the player. And why isn't buffering inputs also a problem then since it's pretty much the same thing but reversed?

@@finesseandstyle ...Isn't jumping on time also skill based? And isn't missing stomping an enemy at 1 health will also frustratingly force you to restart? But I don't wanna argue, let's just say I'll activate coyote jump on easy mode.

@@Taehc Celeste is using coyote time, is it not a skill based game? It has some easy mode helper features, but coyote time is not among them

@@ledkicker2392 Well it's still literally "jumping late and still kick the air". Isn't that leniency? And not every platformer has to be Celeste. Honest question: Did Super Mario World SNES have coyote?

Thank you for your feedback! of course, we are sure that it definitely plays a major role. We memorized the course quite quick, however it shouldn't serve a scientific purpose ;-) We just needed a reference to see if the tweaking we did each time improved the feeling of solving the level, or if we made it worse

Hi @HereIsANewGuest, thank you for your feedback! When phrased like that, you can ask that question about most games :D especially nintendo games

@@FiddleStoneGames Mario has been around for a long time, and in his time there was less competition. :-) And we see his eyes... and his last iterations are rather pretty nice, despite the original design. For me, it's a real question. My opinion is not important, because I am only one person ! But to be honest, as such, the character design wouldn't make me want to play. The game would really have to be very good. So, I hope it's sure that other players like this chef. Of course, I know nothing. Maybe with the settings, or the staging, or the style of play, its design will make totally sense. Maybe there will be multiple costumes, or characters. Maybe it will evolve, I don't know the project. Maybe it will be great just the way it is! I have no truth. :-) But if I compare its design with most other platformers, it's not love at first sight here (just for me). Dave the diver has shown that you can break into video games without being top model or super cute, but he has great charisma! :-D Good job anyway and thanks for the video !

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