What? My Subaru Isn't a Jeep?? Did I Buy the Wrong Vehicle?

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Almost weekly, someone chides me for driving a Subaru instead of a Jeep or other 4x4. Now, I'm no hardcore offroader. I have no interest in rock crawling as a pastime, or mudding for the sake of mudding. I just like to explore Oregon's backcountry wilderness, and sometimes that means some rough terrain along the way. Is my Subaru Forester an inappropriate rig for this? Should I, as they tell me, be driving a Jeep?
To try and answer that question, in this video I look back at the most interesting off-road challenges my Forester has faced over the past year and a half of unpaved adventures - 85 clips to be precise, from all across Oregon and a bit of California, boiled down to a fast-moving compilation of less than 10 minutes.
LET ME MAKE ONE THING ABUNDANTLY CLEAR: This video is NOT about comparing Subaru to Jeep. This video is NOT saying anything bad about Jeeps at all...the ONLY statement I make about Jeeps in this video is that they are MORE capable than my Forester. I just don't want to be told I'm wrong for making a choice that's different from your choice. By the same token there's no need for Subaru drivers to make broad derogatory generalizations about Jeep owners...ALL the Jeep owners I know are kind and respectful people who support what I do with my Subaru. Let's remember that we all share the same goal...to get out there and enjoy the backcountry. No one need bash anyone else's choice of vehicle to do that in. Thanks for keeping that in mind when commenting below. :-)
Special thanks to @silver_rd1 and @dahlenadventures for a few of the clips included here.
Some stuff I get asked a lot:
Tires: BFGoodrich T/A KO2, 215/75R15
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Wheels: Black Rhino Boxer, 5x100 15x7 +15:
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Lift: 1" front/1.375" rear from
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@promiscuouscrab4040 4 года назад

You: *Out in the wild, off-roading where most jeep owners never take their fluffed up mall crawlers* Habitual Armchair Wankers: *”YoU ShOuLd Bi a jYEp! OnLi jEps cAn Do ThAt!”*

@ozzyakiro4734 4 года назад

*bUt JyEP!*

@jefferydanger2617 4 года назад

So true 😂

@RippSnortin 3 года назад

I saw a video of a guy driving all over Lions Back in Utah in a Ford Crown Vic. At first the Jeep guys were laughing at him before he schooled them.

@jodielindakeahey5214 4 года назад

You’ve accumulated knowledge through experience that not everyone has. Keep doing what you’re doing and share it for those of us that are starting late.

@matthewjohnson1211 4 года назад

As an avid Subaru guy that follows y.t. channels that have “off road” content -there’s almost always a Jeep or 4 runner person in the comment section. With their arms folded, sternly looking down: “you SHOULD NOT being going off-road with that vehicle!” I get there is a line or grey area of off-road difficulty...when a crossover starts going to far into the world off a true off-roader.. As a Subaru driver, you just have to know your limits..

@BradleyBishop 4 года назад

I think it's all about compromise. I recently bought an Outback. I'm not going to go rock climbing in it. It's not built for that. Going off into the woods on old forest roads that my old Civic might not have been able to do is a nice advantage. Actually - That's probably the key bit for me: Going off into the woods on ill-kept roads that I otherwise wouldn't be able to drive on is nice. I get to go exploring. For me, I'm really not interested in rock climbing, having a spotter, and all that. I just want a little more than a highway car but, at the same time, I want a nice highway car. That's where the Outback comes in. Just to make sure I don't ruffle any feathers: I completely get why some want to take their Jeeps/other vehicles out and do rock climbing with spotters. I enjoy those videos. If I were into it (and maybe one day I may be) then I'd go the Jeep or similar route, too.

@matthewjohnson1211 4 года назад

Well said...it’s amazing what a Subaru can do when you add some A.T. Tires and a lift. It’s best of both worlds: really good off-road and...good handling/ gas mileage as an everyday driver!

@cworegon3164 4 года назад

As a Jeep owner, I say it’s about Discovery and Adventure, the vehicle that gets you there is secondary.

@BlPlN 4 года назад

@@cworegon3164 Basically, this is what it should sum up to. The vehicle is a tool to make your life comfortable when traveling, and a tool to actually get you to/through those travels in one piece. Drive whatever you want, so long as it accomplishes those two goals. If you're traveling to offroad, then you prioritize offroading. If you offroad sometimes because you want to travel, then you prioritize whatever makes that possible.

@Environmenthrall 4 года назад

@@BradleyBishop 👌👌 Nailed it.

@BroncoManiac777 4 года назад

I wish I could give this video TWO thumbs up!

@freerider604 4 года назад

Impressive off-roading skills! Your Forester is awesome! Haters are gonna hate...sadly. I love all your videos. Perfect music, video editing, camera work, down to earth adventures.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Thanks!

@rogsta1984 4 года назад

You're having more fun in the Subaru then I have been in my Toyota pickup.

@bogdandanailescu 4 года назад

Keep at it bro, have fun! I drive a Suzuki Ignis AllGrip and you should see their faces while I'm on the trail :))

@nevillecartwright7292 4 года назад

I've got to agree with you! I have a big heavy Nissan Patrol (petrol) and while it's unstoppable off-road, it's extremely heavy on gas and is total overkill for most light off-road scenarios, which I do way more often compared to the heavy stuff. While I agree that a Subaru is no match for a Patrol or similar vehicle off-road, it's a capable and competent vehicle for the lighter challenges. I often try to find ridiculous off-road obstacles just to justify having the Patrol! Never forget that it's more often than not the person behind the wheel who runs out of talent, before the vehicle does! Thank you for an entertaining video!

@dianathornton6783 4 года назад

Glad to find that someone offroads with a Forester. I love mine. I watch Matt's Offroad Recovery and what vehicle do I not see him pulling out on a regular basis? Subarus. My only regret is that I didn't discover Subaru sooner.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Haha, good point! Matt's videos are a lot of fun, I watch that channel as well. :-)

@esfreerider 2 года назад

As someone who has a 4x4 truck and a AWD mazda CX5 I can tell you that for most BLM road camping trips I'd rather take the CX5 most of the time it handles washboard gravel so much better and it fits in more places. I'll take the truck when I'm going for mud and rocks

@tjfaudale5114 4 года назад

I've been wrestling between getting a used Forester (had a 2015, traded it up for the Ascent which is now our family vehicle) or a Wrangler. Watching your videos and reading comments from this post have sold me on getting another Forester. Just subscribed and will be enjoying more of your content. Keep up the great work brother. Cheers from Southwest Virginia.

@travisnorris1244 4 года назад

I'm a jeep guy have been for very long time. I'm always impressed with seeing the Subarus out in back country. Most of the guys that I've met are some cools guys. My wife are now talking about building a Subaru for her.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

All of the Jeeps guys I've ever met have also all been cool guys, very supportive and interested. There just seems to be a certain breed of Jeep/4x4 guy that roams RU-vid leaving a trail of disparaging comments for anyone who dares drive something unconventional. I'm guessing the same guys who leave a trail of empty Coors Light cans out in the national forest. :-) Thanks for watching!

@travisnorris1244 4 года назад

@@softroadingthewest ya it like they got to prove something. I watch your videos and you've given me so many good ideas. In one fact one thing I did was to trade the wraggler for a liberty for more comfortable ride and fuel savings.

@tboss8565 4 года назад

Stoked on your videos. I just got a similar forester and am looking to put a 2” lift + ATs on it. For mainly those gravel roads and dirt tracks.

@Commoncrumbs 5 месяцев назад

I love my 2015 forester. I get 27-30 mpg depending on how fast I go on the interstate. I have a kitchen in the back and a bed. It takes me to all the hiking trails and camp sites I wanna go to. And it only costs me a couple of thousand dollars in maintenance every 6 month😂

@JoseRodriguez-xq3vc 4 года назад

I don’t think you need the Jeep. That Subaru really makes the job. Do enjoy my friend! Keep going to the wild and have fun outside!

@broncoturbox647 Год назад

As the owner of a 2003 Forester and a 2012 Wrangler (both lifted and set up for off-roading), the Forester is way more fun to drive off-road.

@billysmith5721 3 года назад

drove home 50 miles in a blinding snow and ice storm. total whiteout 90 percent. 2020 forester sport

@zccolby 4 года назад

Great job capturing all of this. I think you really captured the point. If we wanted a jeep, we would have bought one. We purchased foresters because that is what we wanted and it does what we need. Looking forward to the next video!

@gregorygotvald843 4 года назад

Offroading Subarus has become so common place that companies make rear diff lockers for them now.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I think there's only Torqmasters who offer a Subaru locker. I've seen it in action and it's impressive. My Forester does pretty well without a locker but I'm definitely considering it.

@jasongray6437 Год назад

I use a ‘04 outback. It gets me where I need it to get me. Why change? Love the video.

@ConnorDobbins 4 года назад

Those same people saying why don't you just drive a Jeep are those who either don't have a Jeep or their Jeep is a Mall Crawler and never seen any real action.

@loficampingguy9664 4 года назад

They're the ones who put the angry eye things and turn on their annoyingly bright light bars on the highway

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I've often wondered about that, because like I said in the video, all the 4x4 owners I've personally interacted with over the past couple of years - who actually get out and hit trails like I do - have been super accepting, respectful, and supportive. Thanks for watching!

@richardburguillos3118 4 года назад

Naaaa ya don’t need a Jeep. Ya not rock crawling or taking the Rubicon Trail. Really like those tires! All I could see here was fun, more fun, and even more fun! As my two Beagles would say... Go Subaroooo!

@foresterboy2011 4 года назад

Hell no !!! Subaru cuts the mustard perfectly...

@slowstihatch677 4 года назад

No, you don't need a Jeep. They are cool cars, but your Forester is pretty badass! :)

@isakjetbean 4 года назад

Are Americans really that obsessed with Jeeps or is Jeep just a placeholder name for a 4wd? They're common here but they're by no means even close to a common choice for a 4wd here so it's strange to see everyone comparing everything to a Jeep.

@isakjetbean 4 года назад

Great video as always btw!

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

The irony is that Jeep is owned by FIAT an Italian company. 😂

@loficampingguy9664 4 года назад

People just like hating on cars they see as "inferior." It's apples to oranges. Jeep is all about being offroad, Subaru isn't. A lot of people also just don't like Japanese cars for whatever reason.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I am using "Jeep" as sort of a catch-all for 4x4s in general, although the commentary seems to always revolve around the fact that I should be driving, in fact, a Jeep. Jeep is certainly the most common 4x4 here, followed by an assortment of 4WD pickup trucks. What's available in our market is somewhat different than what you guys are able to get. Man, if Suzuki was still in the states I'd be all over that 19 Jimny!

@isakjetbean 4 года назад

@@softroadingthewest WAIT you guys aren't getting the new Jimny?! Far out that makes me so sad

@craigmoorer5927 4 года назад

Very nice. Oh btw I have a Subaru AND a Jeep.....and I take them BOTH off road

@budgetoffroadb3623 4 года назад

I think the Jeep guys a mad because they think over 20mpg is a myth lol

@judithsouthard2323 4 года назад

My Subaru is a 2015 Forester, and I love it. It is my only vehicle. I drive it around town, in big cities, and I feel perfectly comfortable driving it to my campsites in National Forests. I hope it doesn’t make it seem less “badass” that I am a 74 year old woman.

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

You go girl

@davegriffiths5962 4 года назад

You go Lady!! I'm just a young 66

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I'm happy to hear you're getting out there with it, that's awesome! Thanks for watching!

@Sig721Tau 4 года назад

@@softroadingthewest You need to show the TFLnow guys your video's. Roman and Tommy are Subaru haters. Those dudes don't know how to drive off-road.

@floydyoung7329 4 года назад

That's awesome!!!

@cworegon3164 4 года назад

Nicely done video, you could sell that to Subaru for a promotional of its Offroad capability. I do own a Rubicon JKU and still like your videos LOL.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I have nothing against Jeeps, not in the least. On the contrary, give me the keys to a Jeep and a year's supply of gasoline and that Subaru's gonna sit and do nothing for a year, LOL. I own a Subaru but I follow a number of Jeep and other 4x4 channels. :-) My only issue is with people casting judgment on what anyone else chooses to drive. It just somehow seems to revolve around Jeep in my comments sections, heh. Thanks for watching!

@Lensync7 4 года назад

Lol same here... I have a 2018 Wrangler Rubicon unlimited and I LOVED this vid! Dude legit Subaru footage... I have zero issue with anything that's gets you to the fun! A lot of Jeep people are douche bags anyway!

@944obscene 4 года назад

You're missing out on all the maintenance costs of owning a Jeep, so you clearly wouldn't understand real overlanding.. No death wobble? No 8mpg? What are you, some kind of supremacist?? Keep at it man. I'm pounding dirt as soon as I pick up a Baja. I'll enjoy the outdoors and a nice quiet ride thank you very much :) Love the videos!

@bah5310 4 года назад

What type of Jeep do you have that gets 8mpg? My TJ Rubicon gets 18mpg.

@johngreen9864 4 года назад

My TJ averaged 12-13 with 4.10 gears and 33" tires.

@WilbanksUSMC 4 года назад

I mean, Subaru maintenance costs are pretty expensive too, especially if you have a CVT on top of the boxer engine.

@michaelleekuhn 4 года назад

Subaru is what Jeep use to be, daimlerchrysler just screwed up the Jeep

@bah5310 4 года назад

@@johngreen9864 4 or 6 cylinder?

@Spritefound 4 года назад

Hell no we don’t need a “ true 4x4” for exploring the majority of the back country roads. Me and my ‘12 Forester do just fine. Have fun with your subie on the trail.

@aleksihaapasaari 4 года назад

If I wanted to be annoying, I would brag about forester not being a subie (SUBaru ImprEza), but who cares :D

@brassslowhand3680 4 года назад

you Bet'Cha from N.E. MINNESOTA where the land runs out the World's Largest Lake begins ! 99 Legacy Brighton 116K orig miles. 2.2L 4spd auto. snowtires. nothing else needed.

@joelg4849 4 года назад

I had a young fella in a car park point to my car (lifted ob on at's with roof basket and awning etc)and say "if you're going to do that, you should have bought a 4wd" I looked at his lowered family sedan on expensive rims and tyres with an exhaust and replied "if you're going to do that, you should have bought a sports car" You could see his brain trying to process it for a minute before he grunted and unlocked his car. Not sure if he got my point or not. Point is, we all pick our cars for whatever reason. I modified my outback coz we already owned it and it still works great. Drive what you like, let others do the same.

@xxNotHomeYet 4 года назад

Part of the fun is doing something different and making a vehicle do exactly what you want it to do. I had a lowered Jeep, now that gets some weird looks. Of course there is a point where you are essentially redoing so much of a vehicle that you would definitely be money ahead to buy something closer to what you want from the factory.

@SparkysKayaks 4 года назад

Nice reply and you are absolutely right

@piotrbarnowski2443 3 года назад

but... an outback is 4wd, isn't it?

@joelg4849 3 года назад

@@piotrbarnowski2443 hey mate, nah it's AWD. Technically all 4 wheels are being driven all the time, but the way power and torque are delivered are different than that of a 4wd system. Basically awd is for traction, stability and safety, 4wd is for offroading. If you need a technical explanation, there are some good videos on yt about it.

@piotrbarnowski2443 3 года назад

@@joelg4849 interesting, i've got to look into it, thanks for dropping knowledge!

@Mr.Ramirez95 4 года назад

*"It's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru"*

@romanvalenzuela7017 4 года назад

Lol

@MrPanzerDragoon 4 года назад

YES! YES! YES!

@danieljackson-woods6225 4 года назад

I do all of this in my crosstrek as well. If I wanted to do serious rock crawling or deep mud I might consider a jeep but for what I like to do my crosstrek works just fine.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Exactly.

@hervue85 4 года назад

I drive a stock '15 crosstrek, my fil drives a stock '97 landcruiser. We took my car out on a fishing trip through some pretty gnarly terrains, he was pretty impressed by what my little car can do. The flat and higher undercarriage was also very beneficial.

@danieljackson-woods6225 4 года назад

Yeah they can handle quite a bit I had to climb a 4ft embankment in mine due to the trail being washed out and she did great. I have an '18 crosstrek with a 2"lift and bfg k02s.

@danielboughton3624 4 года назад

No stock jeep will do serious mud or rocks without modifications. The jeep guys say jeep stands for just empty every pocket (of cash) because once you start modding and offroading things are going to break a lot. There is also a reason that most of the PNW guys run toyota rigs - reliability and excellent 4wd. You just don't want to be in back country driving anything that is going to break and leave you stranded until someone finds you.

@danieljackson-woods6225 4 года назад

@@danielboughton3624 I've run a gmc offroad rig and now my crosstrek and outside of rock crawling I prefer my crosstrek for reliability, last outing I did near hoodoo I had to rescue 2 jeeps and a raptor from snow banks

@bertkelly7650 4 года назад

I'm a Ram man, I joined for the adventure not to see jeeps everywhere. Refreshing to see something different "get it".

@imoffendedthatyouareoffended 4 года назад

You remind me of a ram ranch type of guy lol

@feminazislayer Год назад

What still makes subaru the most amazing off road on road vehicle is what you don't have to do to it. Compare the cost to outfit a jeep with suspension, bla bla bla. A forester only needs 2 inches and tires to go play vrs thousands of dollars to go get stuck. Lpl

@eagriggs1 4 года назад

The biggest reason I follow this channel is because of the Subaru. I think it's pretty cool to do what you do with it. If it works for what you want it to do why get something different?

@terrysweitzer6772 4 года назад

As the owner of several four wheel drive vehicles including two jeeps I throughly enjoy watching your videos. Everything has its purpose. I'm not exactly sure why some people think it's their duty to tell everyone what to do. You are living the dream man, keep doing what you love.

@jessetrue2956 4 года назад

Jeep.. more capable off road and for towing, less capable for everything else. The more I watch your channel the more I try to convince my wife to buy a Forester. haha Also, were trying to move out to Oregon or Seattle middle of next year!

@62Sketch 4 года назад

Can you name a few of those things they are less capable in?

@thomasdavidson3152 4 года назад

Jeeps are.less capable of needing repairs. Chrysler crap.

@62Sketch 4 года назад

@@thomasdavidson3152 I put 200k miles on my "Chrysler crap" Jeep without ever a major repair. Replaced radiator and catalytic converter. Can't think of much else I ever did to it. Regret that I sold it.

@TR6C 4 года назад

I have a 2010 Forester and I have also owned a 1989 Jeep Wrangler. The only thing I miss about the Wrangler is having the top and doors off. I have taken the Forester everywhere I have taken the Jeep and more. The Subaru is a very capable vehicle .

@jessetrue2956 4 года назад

David Patterson we could start with safety ratings and move on into gas mileage and cargo room if you’d like?

@rogerward3185 4 года назад

Let me see... 2020 Subaru Forester MSRP approximately $24,500 up to $32,000 for a Limited 2020 Jeep Wrangler Sport 2 door MSRP approximately $28,300 up to $42,300 for a Rubicon Even with the addition of the lift, wheels and tires, and any additional skid plating, you're still likely coming out ahead. For the average person that extra money gets you a vehicle that isn't as comfortable and gets worse fuel mileage, among other things. So, you spend more initially, then spend more along the way to get a vehicle that doesn't suit your daily needs as well, and is overbuilt for what you actually do when exploring/overlanding. I've had three Jeeps and right now drive a Tundra (we've had several Subies in the family, and my next vehicle will likely be a Subaru). I think I can safely say that if you're off-roading warrants a Jeep, or if you just want one, buy one. We should be promoting and encouraging everyone who wants to get safely and appropriately into the backcountry, regardless of the vehicle they drive, so long as they understand its limitations. If you feel threatened by someone in a Subaru or other crossover, maybe it's your problem, not theirs.

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

Well said!

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Exactly! I don't bemoan anyone their Jeep if that's what they want to drive, heck, even if it never touches dirt. I don't go around criticizing mall-crawler 4x4s for staying on pavement. I'd just like the same courtesy when I choose to take my humble passenger car off pavement. :-) Thanks for watching!

@rogerward3185 4 года назад

@@softroadingthewest I enjoy watching enough to subscribe and look for you posts. The first Subaru we had was my wife's '90s Outback. She had a midlife crisis and now has a WRX as her third Subaru. My youngest daughter has a Forester, and my oldest just mentioned that she wants to go here in the next week or two and start looking at Subarus. It's only a matter of time for me. In the meanwhile, I live vicariously through you and bruceyyyyy

@UniqueStance 4 года назад

A Wrangler for 24.500$? A Rubicon for 42.300$? Here in the EU the standard Wrangler begins at 50k$ the Rubicon at 60k$ - that's why nearly no one is driving a Wrangler offroad here

@lordscarfinger267 4 года назад

@@UniqueStance Yep, they are way too overpriced here. And if you'll buy either one of it, you won't have food on your plate because gas prices are just insane.

@nx1z 4 года назад

When I am on the trails and see a “non-traditional” vehicle I’m always impressed....And excited! We even seem to talk about the sighting as a trip highlight after the fact! “Remember that Subaru we saw that time out in the middle of nowhere?! Yeah!, that was awesome!” I’ll see you out there bro!

@ronaldrrootiii6040 Год назад

Yeah I hear you but they're out there getting damaged when they do that over and over LOL I look at it this way if they really want to go off-roading without the risk of scraping and messing things up why not just have a real 4 x 4? I mean there's never been a time where you're thinking darn I wish I wasn't in this Jeep because the Subaru would have been better at this or that LOL I mean unless you're on the street but in that case then an economy car or luxury car would be even better. The point is if we were all born yesterday and we saw 4 x 4 vehicles and then we saw a Subaru like a bunch of innocent children we would say what's wrong with that one why is it so low and have such little weak components underneath? We probably wouldn't gravitate toward it because there wouldn't be a fanboy affection for them and we would just see it for what it is something less capable and low to the ground. Now I agree with you seeing something out when your Wheeling is cool but I like to do that in a different way. I drive a 2000 Land Rover Discovery 2, front and rear solid axles traction control 2 inch lift on 33s and you never see that in America hardly. Yeah all over the UK there like Jeep Cherokees around here. But seriously if I'm just being honest and not even trying to sound like a bully I just don't get why someone would take something less capable and more likely to get damaged down rough dirt roads that slowly turn into random high-clearance trails and try to do it or have to turn around when they could have just drove something there that can haul more cargo and do more

@moa-wg3bo Год назад

@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I get what you are saying, but at the same time why bring more vehicle to a trail than you need? Its much more gratifying to push a vehicle to the limit making it down the trail then just walking over all the obstacles in a big, lifted truck on 35s. I own a softroader myself (92 toyota carib) and even in its stock form on some bigger mud tires I can make it down 90% of the trails where I live. And lets be honest, to get to these offroading spots in the first place you normally need to drive on pavement for several hours, often on some quite nice twisty roads. Thats much more fun in a car based softroader than any 'real' 4x4. And when you get there, you can still make it to the end of the trail (if with some difficulty!) and the trail itself is more enjoyable because of the challenge. Not to mention the conversation starter it is when a bewildered 4wheeler spots you out in the middle of the whoop whoops in your Frankenstein 4x4 car With regards to damaging your vehicle, its nothing a lift, a set of skidplates and some common sense cant deal with. No more risky then pushing a proper 4x4 on a tougher track, and the parts are way cheaper if you do break something

@moa-wg3bo Год назад

Oh and I should add that softroaders are as good if not better than real 4x4s on the beach. With a low cog and only 1100 kg to drag along, once youve aired down you skip over the sand no problem, and recovery when you do get stuck is far easier since you arent trying to push/dig/winch/tow a 2200kg disco, or whatever it is out

@dowroa 4 года назад

hmm... I think you may have too much car and need to challenge yourself more. Let's update this to an STi hatchback. :D

@KeithSurvell 4 года назад

The best vehicle for driving off road like this is the one that'll get you where you want to go. If you get there, and better yet, if you have fun getting there, then that's all that matters!

@bruceyyyyy 4 года назад

Oh man. I have my own version half filmed but might drop it because this illustrated the point just as well. Yes a low range, frame, two solid axles, and a locker is more capable. But I don't need that to drive on a dirt road.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Exactly. And I think you should finish what you started. I would hate to think that something I did deprived the world of a bruceyyyyy video. We need you out here, man!

@bruceyyyyy 4 года назад

@@softroadingthewest I was getting frustrated because I wanted to try this new uhhh special effect? But it's really hard to pull off actually and takes a lot of patience.

@BlackSpade72 4 года назад

Frame ? What does it have to with frame more capable ?

@bruceyyyyy 4 года назад

@@BlackSpade72 Durability, strength flexibility, etc.

@BlackSpade72 4 года назад

bruceyyyyy I would say SUVs with a unibody structure are safer than those with a trucklike body-on-frame design. ... The body attaches to the frame and, while it does provide structural support, the body is not as significant to the structure as it is in a unibody vehicle. Beside Jeep Cherokee XJs and etc has unibody just like Subarus .

@rioterism 4 года назад

Subarus are awesome in terms of all wheel drive system and way more practical than a Jeep, so definitely one of the best choices you can make is select a Subaru :)

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

SUBARUS... have the best all-wheel drive system on the planet. It's a proven fact. It's even equal to or better than some 4-wheel drive systems.

@JonDZ_Adventuring 4 года назад

Subaru has definitely enjoyed it's own special niche of offroad capable crossover. Mitsubishi's S-AWC in the Evolution is incredible system but it's in a vehicle that has always been 40 grand. The latest offerings from Toyota and Kia have vastly improved but still not quite as good as a Subaru. Haldex version 5 has at least matched Subaru. GKN and Honda twin clutch rear differential AWD systems are very advanced. GKN equipped vehicles are expensive tho! While iVTM4 is available starting at $33k.

@es0terra 4 года назад

Comparing Subaru AWD to a 4x4 system is stretching it. Apples to Oranges! But comparing to other AWD systems - it’s a slam dunk, Subaru really is the best. I burn through company cars every 6 months/ 70k miles. I’ve tried them all, but my current vehicle is a 2019 Subaru Outback limited 2.5 with Blizzack studless winter tires. I was driving up to Sun Valley, ID at 4:30 AM this morning on Hwy 22 in blizzard conditions: 15-20 ft. visibility, 40 mph side wind, and 5-6 inches of standing snow. Going at a safe speed, I was completely safe and in control. Man, I love my Subaru. I think I’m gonna buy out the company lease when it’s time to turn it in.

@JonDZ_Adventuring 4 года назад

Chris Ross an older Subaru with a 4EAT like the one Donald drives is a great little vehicle. Please note that the capability ceiling is reached much sooner with the newer ones.

@es0terra 4 года назад

JonDZ Adventuring ....great! NOW I have to subscribe to your channel to get it straight hah😄😄! I appreciate all the work and insight you guys put into your channels. Looking forward to seeing your content as well. Thanks Jon.

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

Agreed. I've got the same old Foz and it's way more capable than my buddy's new Jeep Renegade. 😂

@kevinnorwood7355 4 года назад

Keep your Subaru if it’s what you want then, who cares what anyone else has to say. I’ve seen Jeeps get stuck in places where Subaru’s just plow though. As sergeant slaughter pointed out Subaru’s have the best have the best all wheel drive system’s in the world. They are very reliable get more then decent gas mileage considering it’s all wheel drive , not to mention it’s your daily driver while Jeeps are great. I personally wouldn’t want one as a daily driver. Keep the video’s coming!,

@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm 4 года назад

well said my subaru looks really pretty and goes like stink = 7200 rpm sees my catch and pass many v8 and top class european cars audi is a favorite for me to challange - mercedes - porsche - fun to watch their faces as i blast past bmw renault vw some times i get beaten but it is always close ! forester gt turbo gold with gold mag`s . thank you.

@richardmiller1256 4 года назад

Jeeps can be comfy daily drivers, but it will cost you

@brassslowhand3680 4 года назад

I 'consider' my Subie a inexpensive Audi Quattro..... why spend $90K or MORE for a Quattro when you get the same wonderful traction with a $20+ Subie ??!! Love Subies!

@brassslowhand3680 4 года назад

@@richardmiller1256 Yeep parts...... I mean cheap parts. Sorry.... (not)

@kevinnorwood7355 4 года назад

@@brassslowhand3680 a Quattro isnt something that I would take off roading. Just dut to the fact that it's not all wheel drive all the time.

@jesseturk1353 4 года назад

I was just thinking how neat it would be if you were to put together a compilation of conquering challenges like this! Cosmic - and awesome video!

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Ahh, was that you? The voices in my head tell me what to do but they rarely identify themselves like this. Thanks, it was a great idea! :-)

@87gunsnroses 4 года назад

I have already been there with a jeep and I wont ever go back. I have a lifted 2019 crosstrek and I love getting double the fuel mileage my jeep did, rides way smoother, and is known for far better reliability.

@offroadyaris5257 3 года назад

Thanks. Helps with decision on selling off my Jeep. I wanted more modern, better MPG

@thomasstroud2048 4 года назад

I prefer a pickup but from what I’ve seen your Subaru does a great job, probably better than my truck will

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I drove a 2WD pickup as my daily for most of my life prior to the Forester and I do miss having a truck bed. That is probably what would eventually swing me over to driving a real 4x4, having the added utility of a pickup. Thanks for watching!

@KVHMQT 4 года назад

softroadingthewest or a lifted Baja turbo 😬

@paullydca 4 года назад

I"m honestly inspired by how you use a subie off-road, sometimes makes me ponder selling my jeep for a subie. I think its more suited to I offroad and explore. Thanks for this great episode!

@arjarjarj7288 4 года назад

Nice to see someone who's not afraid of scratching a vehicle and pushing it's limits

@benmorris7276 Год назад

And use an SUV for it's intended purpose

@feminazislayer Год назад

Jeep stands for just empty every pocket

@ThinkFreely2012 Год назад

We took our '23 Forester Wilderness 4 wheeling a couple days ago. Scraped the skid plates, got it covered in mud and sand, my wife pinstriped both sides. It was great fun, and all the jeepers and SxS drivers had their jaw hanging open lol. It's only got 6k miles on it!

@tankdempsey7975 4 года назад

As a Jeep driver I honestly have so much respect for a forester, an amazing daily driver and 9 times outta 10 can still do the crap jeeps do... only limited by ground clearance, I’d strongly suggest taking the forester route before buying your first Jeep, don’t get me wrong I love my Jeep and wouldn’t trade it for anything but if it’s meant to be a daily as well Subaru all the way

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

To be fair, your respectful attitude is by far the most common I've encountered from Jeep owners. We all have more or less the same interests and goals and the majority of people can see that we're more alike than different. It's just the small vocal handful of naysayers. I thank them for setting me up to make this video. :-)

@Rob81818 4 года назад

ooooohweee!!!! prove the haters wrong! ;)

@jacobydavis6554 4 года назад

People to worried about what your driving and how much you spend on something its about getting out there and having great experiences, on that note i take my lifted 97 subaru Impreza outback sport and take it everywhere even more places then a really big 4x4 because of the compact size

@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm 4 года назад

subaru set up is a monster crusher = i have a forester gt 2001 = 150 mph does everything and more wet slippery grass slopes = subaru can do it easy = thank you i love my subaru !

@brianharrigan8821 4 года назад

That is a key point about how tall a vehicle is, clearances, wind resistance, ride comfort, ease of ingress/egress, ability to carry passengers, rooftop access, cargo access !!! All conciderations about " usefulness " !

@dougsfan9984 4 года назад

Another Superior video! Thank you!

@erichnieuwoudt371 4 года назад

Great video, thanks for posting, I am a big Jeep fan and have done some fairly serious off roading in my day, but you are 100% correct, for what you need to do and where you need to go your Subaru is perfectly suited, and the fact that those roads actually pose some challenge makes it all the more fun! Keep doing what you are doing!

@RCGJR_ 4 года назад

I got my mall crawler 4runner, but proud of this distant cousin forester killin’ it ♥️🤙🏽

@therootedprogress 4 года назад

Liked before I even finished watching it! we all know these videos are always good :) flexing is overrated and 3wheel subaru drive is the future! lol I absolutely agree that you can still explore the backcountry without having to buy a jeep. 90% of the time you arn't rock crawling or doing extreme trails just to get the nicest view or to reach an area to be able to enjoy the outdoors. Most offroad scenic trails are light to moderately difficult. The subaru's stock come with enough ground clearance for most light duty trails. And if you meet something more challenging you can always give the subaru a bit of lift and some good all terrains and youll be doing 90% of the trails :) I also agree with Bruceyyyy "Yes a low range, frame, two solid axles, and a locker is more capable. But I don't need that to drive on a dirt road." FAVORITE QUOTE OF ALL TIME!!!!!! "Yea if I had a jeep I could go drive all of that stuff you just saw with no problem, wouldn't even have to think twice about it. The part of what makes this especially enjoyable is the challenge of doing it in a vehicle that is not necessarily what it is designed to do"

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Exactly! I was surprised by what I could get to during my first year with the car completely stock, and continue to be surprised where it will go now. I could totally see owning a 4x4 someday but for now this gets me out there in a way I can afford.

@wendylaca1783 4 года назад

Love your channel.I also a Subaru owner (outback limited) love the car.

@TwoFeet.FourWheels 4 года назад

Don't mind them Donald! I know for a fact you are out there enjoying the backcountry and not parked in some starbucks or mall. Its a big ego hit that you're out there where "only real 4x4s" are suppose to be.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Haha, we'll quietly forget about my recent video where I ended up in a mall parking lot next to Starbucks, LOL

@davegriffiths5962 4 года назад

You get the last smirk .... you've saved a huge amount of fuel, and still had tons of fun! BTW, how many 'go-pro type cameras do you use for these videos?

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

I mostly film on my mirrorless Fuji X-Pro2, plus some use of a GoPro and bits and pieces captured with my iPad on my dash.

@es0terra 4 года назад

You should have bought a Jeep! Haha jkjk. Hey man- when are you going to upgrade to a prinsu roof rack with a iKamper skycamp mini? Your car is badazz now, but that would look so sick. Love your videos man!

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Hooo...ka-ching! This is shoestring operation here, that's why my roof rack is DIY and my sleeping quarters are, well, the back of my car. :-) That would be a pretty sick setup though!

@thevigpr 4 года назад

I’m thinking of doing some soft overlanding. I own a Subaru Outback. From looking at videos on RU-vid what I have learned is 1. Know the capability of your vehicle (you clearly defined that through this video) 2. Overlanding is about the destination and the art of enjoying the outdoors as you do it. 3. The current crossover / SUV that you have is sufficient to get started. As if your requirements don’t exceed the capability of the vehicle, why do you need something else. I enjoy your videos thoroughly. We need more content on Subaru overlanding. Thanks for doing what you do!

@Minerbot02 4 года назад

My stock Forester has always gotten me to every campsite I've wanted to go to and that's all I could really want from it.

@MaxFlight 4 года назад

Brilliant video. It's all about proper tires, properly deflated, sufficient ground clearance, the correct line, and most of all (in my opinion) proper throttle control.

@darrellbarton8727 4 года назад

You nailed it.

@brianharrigan8821 4 года назад

SMOOTH IS THE WORD !!

@reachvictoria3386 4 года назад

Excellent video. Your Subie tackles more off road than most jeeps ever do, and JonDZ has been diligent in making the practicality point in favor of the CUV for a while now as well. 🍻

@JonDZ_Adventuring 4 года назад

Reach Victoria thanks! Crossovers just keep getting better and more capable and I think a lot of that has to do with the success of Subaru. Many people want offroad capable daily commuters! There’s no doubt in my mind, the AWD capability in my Honda Passport is there partly because of Subaru.

@reachvictoria3386 4 года назад

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Now I'm just hoping our Nissan Rogue will be able to do what we ask of it! =D

@MarkLilley454 4 года назад

I own a 2019 Jeep JLU Rubicon... love your channel! What ever you can get out there with is perfect 👌🏽 when I was a kid I had a 53 ford truck; put that thing in granny and it would take you anywhere... keep up the great adventures... that’s what it’s about right? Adventure, not some false status

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Exactly! It's about getting out there, having some adventure, and enjoying the wilderness, whether it's in a Subaru, a Jeep, or a Toyota Camry. Fortunately, *most* people get that. :-) Thanks for watching!

@andriodriot396 4 года назад

Def a new level to your vids! Thx!

@ngoodwin87 4 года назад

My 4k foz cant rock crawl but a 50k jeep cant stay in its own lane with that loose steering.

@jmsuitter5 4 года назад

Love the message, footage, action, and build. Wheel on.

@ericjudd9603 4 года назад

Its funner to use un conventional rigs off road in my opinion👍 rock that subbey!

@moonsapling 4 года назад

Driving a Subaru offroad isnt just your regular offroad. Its passion, its the community, its the challgene of why should I restrict myself to the roads. Subaru has never been just some crossovers, you either hate the brand or love it to death.

@BlPlN 4 года назад

I never knew what "love - it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru" meant, until I owned one. I can see why the saying fits, for the same reasons you described. The offroad Subaru community is one of the best I know for anything; being a part of photography, artist, metalworking, woodworking, communities as well...

@moonsapling 4 года назад

@@BlPlN everyone can offroad a Jeep or a Toyota. But offroading a Subie is something more. The feeling you get after your crossover goes through something you never expected it to go through. Its awesome. Yeah the CVT isnt the best but if you get used to it and maintain it, you will be fine!

@coryyoung8289 4 года назад

Very well said!

@sysdocray 4 года назад

Good video, and NO, why do you need a Jeep for what you're doing. For that matter, some of the Jeeps aren't actually Jeeps. Case in point, the Renegade and Compass, the Subaru is pretty much just as capable, possibly more so. Ground Clearance - Check (8.7 Stock, equals those two) AWD - Check (Even those Jeeps are really AWD, using high first gear ratio as a pseudo low range) Questionable Fiat Reliability - Nope,, we might actually be better in the Subaru, even with some of recalls. I suggest asking a mechanic which they'd rather work on. I know people with Wranglers, probably the most off-road capable Jeep. Their complaints are #1 Fuel Mileage, #2 Comfort on road, and #3 Rattles on expansion joints, or anything (even the rear mounted spare vibrates and rattles the gate hitting bumps/pot-holes. There's a price to pay for that additional capability, that 95% of the buyers will never use. Full disclose, I currently own my 1st Subaru ('12 3.6R Outback), after owning the likes of an '02 GMC Envoy 4WD and similar vehicles, the Subaru . The Subaru drives and handles better, even with the modest 1" Lift & Rallitek Springs. (Recent addition). Not much off-roading, just weather related and occasional dirt/gravel roads, using standard all seasons at this point. Best part is it has never left me stranded or broken down on the side of the road, if I didn't just jinx myself. :)

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

Exactly! Well said!

@HeliRy 4 года назад

“It’s a Jeep thing, you wouldn’t understand...” Oh you mean that shitty, condescending attitude towards absolutely every other 4x4 and SUV on Earth? Yeah, you’re right.... we most certainly do not understand 🙄

@brassslowhand3680 4 года назад

Viva Subies ! Jeeps have that ugly front grill that looks lie a pop-up toaster... ugly....

@clericduran 4 года назад

I used to own a TJ many years ago and the community back then was really cool. From what I can tell now, most new Jeep owners have this attitude. I'm willing to bet there is even a divide between the TJ/YJ vs. JK owners.

@eastbayrider9511 4 года назад

This might as well be an advertisement for Subaru haha. Love the footage! Just got my 2 inch lift ordered for my Crosstrek. Excited to get out on the trail!

@arkade65 4 года назад

Loved these clips. We got into Subarus in the early 1980s going to Fraser Island for the same reasons, cheaper to buy & run, more comfortable, a lot more capable then people think. We delighted in proving the skeptics wrong about where we could go in these little Subies. Still love my Subarus and where they take me 40 years later.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Wow, maybe I've watched too many videos from 4WD Action but even I would have hesitated to take my Subaru to Fraser Island. Of course those 80s Subarus were a different breed. Still, I'd loooove to put my Forester on a boat and come poke around down there! Thanks for watching!

@vincentamerena7302 4 года назад

Well really you should buy a Toyota... haha

@app1mxh 4 года назад

Toyota is a minority partner in Subaru's parent company.

@vincentamerena7302 4 года назад

Red Planet them buy a *hilux* aha

@app1mxh 4 года назад

@@vincentamerena7302 Just picked up a leftover 2019 Ridgeline. I would rather have a brand new Baja.

@sethparker4624 4 года назад

I'm just impressed your paint job looks as good as it does still! 😊

@pnwadventuresandgearreview8749 4 года назад

What a great video showing how capable Subaru’s can be when someone who knows how to drive is behind the wheel😁

@AscendingBliss 4 года назад

Took my Outback on many black diamond Jeep trails, and it killed every one of them. I've had a beefed up Wrangler AND a beefed up Outback, and I would take the Outback every single time over the Wrangler.

@AscendingBliss 4 года назад

@downthepines rubicon Who's "her"?

@countrycraftsman5110 4 года назад

Don't care if you drive a moped i enjoy your videos. When i was a kid i remember seeing more cars than pickups when hunting. And they got as much game as we did in the willys jeep my dad had.

@Db.user_handle 4 года назад

@mattsoffroadrecovery "I'm stuck at '34 '54 '65 N '54 '76 '31 E" Matt- "what are you driving?" "A baby blue Subaru van"

@LoneWolfExplorer Год назад

I think the Subaru is just perfect for you if that’s the vehicle that’s suits your needs. The day you feel it’s not any more you will change it. Keep on getting out there and enjoy it.

@franktobey1140 4 года назад

Drive what ever you want as long as you are a good steward of the land and leave on trace plus your Subaru will still be running a lot longer than any Jeep, keep up the great videos 👍

@therootedprogress 4 года назад

One day he will get a jeep and start another channel called... Hardroadingthewest

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

LOL...wouldn't hardroading be pavement? Actually that WOULD be a funny channel...build a kick@$$ lifted Jeep with all the expensive mods, and then make videos going from mall to mall, LOL.

@TheActualCaveman 4 года назад

Cinemtaic videos with shots of you going over speed bumps and pot holes, parking in the spot, splashing through puddles, and sitting in traffic.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

@@TheActualCaveman Omigosh, that *would* be hilarious. I may have to do this.

@lordneeko 4 года назад

The channel will be called "what was I thinking!?!"

@live2av8 4 года назад

Jeep bros are gatekeeping. That gas mileage, though.

@mrocha5136 4 года назад

First I want to say that I really like the videos you make. I am a Subaru lover, I have one (Impreza 1997) and my next project is to acquire a Forester and install a 2 "lift kit (actually manufacture, because here in Brazil it is impossible to import the Kit). I am inspired by your Subaru, including I will ask for some tips when I go to assemble My idea is to take a walk with my daughter and wife, explore alternative places, take her to get to know nature up close. I don't think you should ride a jeep, because for half the price you enjoy the same joys. Congratulations and I keep following you (here on youtube and Instagram)

@sneakyracerpr 4 года назад

whenever someone says something like that, I reply: Well, when you buy me one or pay it for me then I will care about your opinion. Second, I don't need any wobble of death.

@jbandt 4 года назад

I have a "true" 4x4 with low range and a rear locker. Know how many times ive used the locker? 0!! My truck isn't all that comfortable and really its the mpgs the keep me from getting out and exploring. So, i think the crossovers do good enough and jdz has me looking really closely at the passport. Love the videos!

@istp1967 4 года назад

Get a Defender and Really piss the Jeeps guys off 😂😂😂 . . Besides, a car should do what You want it to do; not what others think . . . Oh, and by the way; Foresters were derived from the WRX Rally Racing circut 😎 😁😁😁

@loficampingguy9664 4 года назад

You certainly do not need a Jeep. Keep driving that Subaru around. I drive a '13 Fozzy myself. I wanted a reliable, cheap, and easy to drive vehicle. I drive it to class every day, and occasionally take it camping. Not everyone needs a Jeep. They're cool cars, sure, but if everyone at the trailhead had the same XJ or Wrangler or Rubicon it would be pretty boring.

@jamesmeadrs9309 4 года назад

Subaru's are WAY better than jeeps in many ways. Usually people who are making those comments don't know Jack shit.

@JonDZ_Adventuring 4 года назад

Great Video Donald! I was just going to release a similar video "preparing for the Mojave road". As you know from my recent Instagram posts, I've just completed the 130 mile Mojave road. It was me in my Honda Passport and my friend in a 2005 Baja XT with slightly taller All-terrain tires, no lift but skid plates, factory LSD (still working). We came out here to "Overland", and while off-roading is part of overlanding, it's not part of the overlanding mindset, which is to explore, experience, and develop self sufficiency.

@softroadingthewest 4 года назад

Exactly...offroad "obstacles" are just one element (and usually a rare one at that) of the greater journey and experience. I mean, it's telling that I could boil a year and half's worth of the most "off-road-y" segments down to under 10 minutes...out of countless hours and hours driving in the backcountry. I'm honestly happiest when I can do miles on nice soft dirt and just enjoy the wilderness scenery without chunky stuff getting in my way. That said, the occasional challenge keeps it fun and interesting. :-) Can't wait to see the Mojave road video(s)!

@andrewmcewan8081 Год назад

the subaru is much better at doing everything until it reaches its limit ,u just have to b able to recognise where that limit is . jeeps are horrible to drive as anything other than off road machines , there even worse than landrovers on roads

@VKSgtSLaughter 4 года назад

You are my Subaru hero and inspiration... Great video!

@whoeever 4 года назад

I vote Oregon the best off-roading destination in the world. I've never seen so much varied Landscapes all in one state.

@KaitlynMcLachlanPhotography 4 года назад

I live in Vancouver, BC so also out exploring the PNW and so far, the biggest obstacle that has stopped me have been the ditches on decommissioned FSRs when the culverts are removed. There simply isn't a lot of room to work with. I'm considering an outback (which compared to forester has longer wheelbase and probably worse approach/departure angles) but any thoughts on getting through "ditches" vs a more off-road oriented vehicle? I am definitely pavement driving 95% of the time, but also regularly explore forestry roads for camping or remote trail access, and ideally I don't want to be stopped in my tracks!

@Moyerboy78 4 года назад

Love this! So many off-road Subaru adventures. Foresters are tough little SUVs 💪🏻 great video man 😎

@nostalgiccarlife5419 4 года назад

I like that this was two minutes of explanation, and 11 minutes of gratuitous Subaru on nature porn.

@satlaone 4 года назад

Subis are an excellent choice and a great combo of capability and reliability that Jeeps don't give, "cool factor" and rock crawling aside. For the roads you described at the end, that are very manageable, you don't need a Jeep. Plus, your Subi got some of the badass flair with the tires and all :) great jog!