I would love to see that, in the late 90's my friends dad had a mouse that was just a scroll ball that you would move with your thumb. The actual mouse never moved.
Want no broken vases? The most ergonomic mouse/keyboard combination in history is Datahand (seen in the movie Contact and the TV show Power Rangers). It's insanely expensive and terribly annoying to learn, but nothing is more ergonomic. It's also the first example of magnetic membrane keyboard switches. I think a low cost version of this product would be insanely useful.
Still, use this at work and it has helped with my shoulder ache, using thumbs on the roller bar which works best for me. Still the mouse is connected for when I need to do superfast Excel work .. but for 80%+ of my time the roller mouse is tha sh*t. I would never use it for gaming - and that is also not the intened use IMHO.
There was a WAN Show a couple episodes back where you could hear something break in the backround and Linus was like...wtf was that? Wonder if that was from this episode...
Did you know the roller bar actually clicks too? So two hands it not needed. I don't move my wrist at all while using it, i simply move my the finger i am using on the roller back and forth. Very little movement is actually needed to move the mouse far. The copy and paste buttons are a game changer for anyone who does a lot of that or works with spreadsheets. and of course the double click button comes in handy. I have been using mine since about 2017 and I don't think i could go back to working without it.
I have seen this in a lot of hotel, company and hospital receptions. The staff there always used it with their thumb. I think that one of the reasons why this is used in places like receptions is that sometimes they have quite limited space to house the keyboard and mouse on the reception desk.
That is exactly how you use it, it's also a productivity device, so less time is spent moving your hands to your mouse. I thought the thumb operation was a given, but seeing them using their index finger, it seemed like a person using a touchscreen for the first time
I work in a hospital. Our typists use these all the time. They can use what ever they want, but most of them choose to use these. Their job is to transcribe dictations to text. So they have these as the mouse and food pedals that have Play, Pause and Reverse for the audio. And yeah, it's thumb operation all the way.
@@dorademir8195: That is a detail that only matters to Finns because they're still upset about formerly being a Swedish vassal. As the word "Fennoscandian" makes clear, there is plenty of Scandinavian influence in Finnish culture, hence my original statement is still valid even if my terminology wasn't politically-correct.
I might sound like one of those Thinkpad fanboys.... Okay maby I am a little bit. But I really enjoyed the trackpoint when I had one. And it also keeps your hands on the keyboard.
i personally never used the trackpoint but i really like that they moved the mouse buttons to the top of the touchpad. saves tons of time that i can click with my thumb especially on linux where the middleclick serves as a paste button too.
It's not that they moved the buttons to the top of touchpad. The original IBM thinkpads didn't even have a touchpad. On the transitional models from around 2008 have both sets of mouse buttons (the trackpoint also having middle click).
My wife thinks I am crazy because I basically only use the trackpoiny on my Dell Precision. Probably doesn't help that the laptop has one of the worst trackpads I has ever seen
Having different people promote different videos does this channel good. It’s much better than the usual one man one video show in my opinion, keep this up guys.
You're not wrong. As much as I like Linus after I read your comment and I can't think of any of the other gentlemen who've hosted videos that I didn't care for.
I've seen them in Canada as well although it was a fairly small subset of users that had them but the few that did sweared by them. I'm also quite certain that they used them with their palms and not there fingers.
I've been using the rollermouse red for the last 5 years. It's fantastic for general windows work, cad-work etc. Not so much for gaming, so I've always used a regular mouse in addition - and i switch back and forth between the two depending on the task at hand. And yes, i have bad shoulders.
Oh that is interesting. I do mostly 3D Modeling and was wondering how it is for more precise clicking and dragging and orbiting around a 3d viewport. What is your feeling on that?
www.amazon.com/SK-8845-Keyboard-TrackPoint-Thinkpad-Computers/dp/B07D9BG4HP/ www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Compact-Keyboard-TrackPoint/dp/B00F3U4TQS/ www.amazon.com/SK-8845CR-Keyboard-TrackPoint-Thinkpad-Computers/dp/B076TTGTGK/ You were saying @David Rajchman?
Trackpoint was the ONLY mobile input I used when I had my Thinkpad T420. When I got the T420 I disabled the trackpad in the BIOS and left it disabled. I also used a real mouse when I was sitting at a desk but when I wasn't it was the trackpoint 24/7 and its pretty simple to learn and you won't have to move your hands away from the keyboard at all to use it
I have been using the Contour RollerMouse Red Plus for about a year now, and I'm loving it. It really helps your neck and shoulders when you sit in front of a computer 7-8 hours a day. I found that it's most convenient to use my thumbs on the roller most of the time. At work I have a 38" monitor which I have split into separate areas for different applications that I frequently jump in and out of as it is a part of my workflow. The RollerMouse makes me much much more efficient than if I would use a ordinary mouse - and it just feels so effortless. Can't understand those of you who would prefer a track pad. A track pad is not the same - Windows precision or not. It's just not efficient enough compared with the likes of RollerMouse. Try using one at your office for two weeks, and I promise that 7 out of 10 will not go back to a ordinary mouse.
Roller Mice are awesome. I used it for quite a few years when I did IT support. It definitely was very natural and nice to use after a week or so of use. Oh, and the pricing clearly is insane for the consumer market, but for the enterprise market, they can get away with it. The support desk I worked at had around 40 stations, all equipped with a Roller Mouse. It's a good item to blow the remainder of your IT equipment budget on at the end of a fiscal year.
My company uses these! When you start a desk position at my company, an ergonomic specialist contracted with the company comes out to your desk and arranges everything you touch during work to to be ergonomic. I had met with an ergo specialist and was in my position for a few years, but my CTS started coming back, and with it also came a new RSI of my right shoulder. The shoulder pain was purely from reaching for the mouse and back repetitively as the job required. Now, whenever I work inside any program, I always prefer a keyboard-only setup and try to omit mouse usage as much as possible. This came from playing MMORPGs in my teens and it just eventually became the norm for me to use the numpad to navigate my character and arrow keys for camera movement. Since then, I've always used the mouse as little as possible out of preference, so naturally that translated to optimizing my work the same way by navigating through my work programs by using tab and enter as opposed to clicking each field with my mouse and going back to my keyboard to type in all the fields. With that said, even supplementing TAB and ENTER and eliminating most mouse movements, I still had to repetitively reach for the mouse in my daily workflow where it couldn't be helped. I still developed a shoulder RSI. TLDR: When the ergo department fitted me with this mouse and my pain went away, I became a believer. Now I only ever use a conventional mouse for FPS games. Everything else I can do keyboard-only, Keyboard+roller, or controller. BUT if you move your dominant hand down to the roller, it becomes pointless. You have to use your thumbs to press the buttons in order to prevent another RSI. Also, I see a chiropractor for my shoulder :)
6:49 that was just perfect. he even kicked the 8ball over and nothing else. just like a movie or tv show. the sound effects sounded great and had a final sound, in the end, to tie it all together with a great closure. can't tell if it was all planned that way or not.
#propdrop? End of year video suggestion: drop compilation with staff tally to work out "Who is really the clumsiest person at LMG? (It's probably Linus)"
We had these on the pharmacy I used to work at and it's still the best mouse alternative I've ever used. I always had my fingers on the keyboard and only moved my thumbs between the roller bar and space bar to use it. It won't replace a mouse for anything gaming related, but if you work with documents and spread sheets all day it will definitely speed up your workflow. I wish every keyboard had a small roller-bar like this integrated.
I use this exact model at work and it is great. No more strain in my right shoulder and arm. And move the "stick" with you thumb while typing to avoid flicking your arm and shoulder around.
Yea I have seen this at shows and the intention they present it as is to use your thumb.. basically never needing to remove your hand from your homekeys on many keyboards. Enjoyed the review and have similar thoughts as I own one.. but the review completely missed the mark on how it's supposed to be used
@@EmAllWasTaken there are for sale standalone trackpads.... I also i will suprise you that i also prefer a dekstop with my mech, but i also need a mobile computer too.
Best thing I did for my wrists and shoulder was switch to a tenkeyless keyboard and put a seperate numpad elsewhere on the desk. Those few inches saved on width allows me to keep most of those twisting movements within my shoulder width, and that seems to help immensely.
I am a programmer and I've been using this mouse for 2 years now. Once you get used to it, it's actually the greatest ever. Ergonomics was the main reason I switched to this mouse.
how is it actually ergonomic though? a proper ergo keyboard with a trackball (if that exists) would be far more ergonomic no? also, does it hold up in power use situations? it looks like it massively sacrifices speed when trying to maintain accuracy.
@@synlion Yes some accuracy is lost, so I can’t really draw well or play FPS games with it. But software dev work is fine. I don’t really feel like I am missing speed. Also if you want to be fast, mouse is not the way to go. I suggest learning shortcut keys as much as possible. I love when I don’t need to move my arm between the mouse and keyboard, instead I can keep the same stance at all times.
I work in a school district and some of the office workers have these. It's always confusing when they call in with a computer issue and I sit down at the computer to see no mouse and weird rolly thing. It's so damn sensitive, but when they've gotten good at using it, it's pretty cool to see.
It's the "hot new thing" at the company I work for in Sweden as well. Personally I cannot imagine why people are getting one, but I've noticed that at least here it's exclusively the less tech savvy who use them.
About ergonomic solutions for using a computer. One of the engineers at my dad's company made a glove-like 3d mouse. The mouse was controlling with the palms, not fingers. While the fingers had a half a keyboard behind each of them, wireless ofc. This way he could have his arms in any position he wanted and produce in CAD programs at the same time.
This thing has been popular in swedish offices for years. Some people prefer the Mousetrapper, which uses a trackpad instead of a roller. Very good tools, but very expensive.
This device is a god send. I have been using it for years because I get chronic tendinitis in my index fingers. Ever since using this, I have yet to experience the pain I felt in my hands when using a conventional mouse. It varies differently from a touch pad because I can use a flat palm to control the Touch Bar (you can use any finger really) as opposed to using my fingers applying force to a hard touch pad surface. It’s nearly impossible to play fast paced games efficiently, but you can map the keys to your liking to play most games casually. Although, I would note that you tend to bend your wrists a lot more when trying to play competitively with it since it requires fast movements.
I've been using the Rollermouse for several years at work now. Naturally figured out a way to prevent lateral motion with my wrists using my righthand middlefinger to move the bar to either side. It has really helped with my RSI complaints. It's not weird if it works, right?!
Excellent video !! Loved the "story", the acting was topnotch too hahah (also, props to the stunts) Is Linus in all the sponsoring bits because of contracting obligations ? ;)
That was also true of the library i worked at in Denmark. They didn't look that expensive though and definitely weren't wireless. Kinda seems like they found an expensive version of this type of mouse, only to then complain about the price.
I really would like to try this, but not for $265... I do like that companies are trying new things. One thing I like about the trackpoints found on ThinkPads and some other business laptops is it allows you to move the cursor without having to move your hand away from the keyboard to the trackpad or mouse, so I understand where they are coming from.
You can use it your thumbs without moving your hands, more ergonomic than touchpad. Less precise and versatile perhaps, but for typing, spreadsheets, data entry and other office work it's great.
I've used these at work for about 1000h, so I've some notes: -It's extremely useful when you're filling out forms, that you can't navigate with tab or ctrl+arrow keys. -With proper placement and a keyboard with a small bezzel behind the spacebar you can use the mouse keys and roller bar with just your thumbs. Keep those index fingers on F and J y'all! The sensitivity can be a problem. However, it's worth noting that these are often used in applications where the actual real estate the cursor is actually moving on is very specific or limited, not the whole display area.
Have one of these at my office desk. Love it! It's not as fast or precise as a mouse, so for moving stuff around I prefer that, but using the roller with my thumb, I never have to move my hands at all doing most office work.
@@Reepicheep-1 it literally took me less than minutes to figure it out when I was first using one of these. But I never really used trackpads all that much, so maybe that's a factor?
@@goclbert Thats why i dont get this thing, isnt it as ergonomic as just using a trackpad. If you are using it with thumbs like i think you should it is exactly the same motions.
That movie trailer-esque intro was amazing. + 100 style points for the music, colors, the backlit bright windows, the "woman laughing with salad" laughs
I've been shopping ergonomic mice for a while, but today I was watching videos to learn how to do better unboxing videos and got distracted and now I'm looking at this mouse smh nice video, thanks. :)
@@ain7256 you don't understand the concept of the word "since"? Also guys, "they're canadian"... ok so are you saying they only know of canadian products, everything else is super strange to them? Get a grip of reality please.
I've seen several office workers use this, on sight its really interesting. I think it's one of the better options if you really haft to have something else.
Don't take it otherwise Linus, I love you but the team is producing some amazing next level content. I guess you deserve props for bringing this team together and keeping them that way.
*Nintendo invented this years ago* I think it was called the *UFORCE* and the AVGN showed it actually worked... (Playing boxing and topgun) around 10:30 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9kBMscW_dVg.html
Haven't they reviewed this before ?? There is something wrong here !? I am 90% sure this thing or something so similar ... it was practically the same 😐
I would like to say.. the roller mouse saved my GF's arms. She has used this product for the last 2 years and there is a significant difference. She suffered from radial tunnel, a repetitive injury from pipetting, It is the clicking the finger movement on mice that caused her tons of pain. It took her about 1 week to get used to using this thing.. but she is really a pro. Some people TENSE up there hand when they are using a mouse, I dont know if this is mental or what. But she can't seem to use a mouse without tensing up her hand. the roller mouse allows her hand to stay relaxed. Her symptoms lessened. And she doesn't need to wear her brace anymore.
