What Palpatine Said Would Happen If Yoda Went to Mustafar to Confront Vader - Star Wars Explained 

No yoda would have won much earlier probably killing him inside the facility before the duel even reached the lava river

I don't see Yoda being merciless like that. He probably would've given Anakin a swift death.

@@trevorhogen7761 a Swift Death is the way of the Jedi. Sadistic death is the way of Sith

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I’m pretty sure Obi-Wan didn’t want to see Anakin suffer either. He couldn’t even look as he saw Anakin burn. He couldn’t bring himself to execute Anakin because he loved him.

Respect or not Yoda would kill him without a doubt. Obi wan was never as strong in the force as Yoda but was more skilled in combat

@@timgibney5590 More skilled in defense maybe.... Obi-wan is master defense, and also tactics and distraction. Yoda will face you. Obi-wan will trick you, wear you down, and outsmart you. But hes much less likely to attack or make quick decisive acts

​@@timgibney5590 Yoda was on par with or greater than Dooku as a duelist. Someone Obi Wan never got the better of.

@@dverarde84 The Jedi Order was around for 1000 years, and it didn't go down the drain until Anakin was admitted. You say there was too much dogma, but the real problem was that Anakin thought he was an exception to the rules.

@@decepticonxhunter4850 that....sounds amazingly like what is going on in the US right now.. :P

Lol I agree

😂 Definitely

Nah a lightsaber battle would've happened but Yoda would've finished him easily. Anakin may have had experience during the Clone Wars but Yoda has much more experience and is much more in tune with the force. Anakin never faced Yoda's level of speed and skill

I honestly dont think anakin would have even had the balls to face yoda. he pretty much tried to sneak attack any semi powerful master in the attack on the jedi temple. he was willing to fight obi wan head up, because he did believe he was more powerful, he likely would have hopped on his ship, and fled if yoda showed up

I disagree. I think Anakin had more of “the force” and he relied on that. Obi-Wan was dedicated, hard working even tempered and was humble. Basically he was a better Jedi. They were evenly matched as duelist, but not in the force.

Yup, I stopped following SWT too

Honestly dude, I was thinkin the same thing the other day. Star Wars Theory is great, but you truly dive deep into these theories, and have a voice that anticipates the outcome of the video. Very talented, keep it up dude, u got my subscription 👍

I stopped watching cause I’m a binge watched and he covers every new episodes of shows when they come out

I haven’t been liking his videos since he started face cam and all of that stuff ngl

Yep ataru is djem so’s weakness. Djem so’s footwork is far to flat footed for ataru’s maneuverability, and flashy technique.

No, just a silly jump cut between a great scene, and a sad one.

Vader was incompetent without Sidious. Perhaps with Palps gone Anakin reforms and helps rebuild Jedi without darjsude influence. 😄

@@hackman669 “The darjsude of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.” Sorry I had to 😂

​@@hackman669 yeah or sidious gets away and 20 years later, Luke cannot even hope to defeat Vader and falls to the dark side.

Palps would’ve thumped obiwan and then the palp today duel would play out the same way

He did a video on why yoda said no to this. Yoda was too fast for obiwan and would’ve had to worry about obiwan being killed due to how powerful Sidious was. Yoda was better off facing him alone.

Real talk, it’s that simple lol.

No doubt.

Both cheeks

Anakin definitely would have gotten RIP

Yes, and palpatine would have crushed Obi Wan like a bug.

it is called a "skript" afterall.....

In the book it is described a Yoda realizing he could never beat Sidious in this fight.

@@FrenkieWest32 gotcha thanks! Never read them so never knew that. I guess looking at the clip in the movie, you do maybe a see that

It's generally accepted that the reason Yoda left was because reinforcements were coming - more of a he didn't beat him ontime, rather than he couldn't beat him (cause clearly Yoda was winning the fight but had to flee)

@@fonorcennell131 yoda was not clearly winning the fight... I don't know why you try to pawn off your opinion as ''generally accepted'' but no. Read the novelization or something.

Yeah but still lose he will.... badly

Anakin still hasn’t reached his full potential. Just because Anakin had more potential then yoda didn’t mean he was stronger than him at the time

So they kill them…that’s how you make them one with the force 😂😂

yoda would have ended him much quicker and the fight would never have reached the lava river.

It could go either way

@@leerogish7223 prob

Yoda: absinth, I have become. Sober, I will be. To my liver, I drink this for. Anakin: no Yoda, don't throw that gasoline on me, please :( you're drunk and still slaughtering me.

@@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 Yoda: Right, you are. Acid and salt first, it shall be...

Na. Yoda was devout in his beliefs. Once you go to the dark side you can't come back. Pretty sure he said something like that. He'd have killed Anakin

@@RickySpanish12344 younglings

​@@RickySpanish12344 He almost brought Dooku back in a comic.

The Jedi being disconnected is what allowed Palpatine's and Plagueis' plan to work right under the Jedi's noses and was somwth i ng they actively encouraged and fostered at every turn. It was a slow process over many years and had started long long before even Plagueis was a Sith but he and Sidious absolutely sped that process up and further clouding their abilities to use the force through rituals and more, actively encouraging the Jedi to become more and more entwined with the Republic. This constantly transitioned them from the borderline royalty they used to be, viewed with awe and reverence, to glorified Police Officers, security guards and soldiers/generals, ultimately subservient to the Republic. . Yoda actually did get something akin to this insight during his battle with Sidious. Remember that moment where Sidious and Yoda are having a lightning battle in Revenge of the Sith? That moment where Yoda looks like he's about to get overwhelmed but then we get a close-up-zoom of his face and we see renewed determination on Yoda's face before the Grandmaster makes one last mighty push back, causing the force explosion that launches him off the Senate Pod while Palpatine, despite being thrown further, was closer to the centre of the pot at the time when the detonation went off and so he managed to stay on. THAT moment, as we discover upon reading the Revenge of the Sith, is when Yoda has the realisation that he and the Jedi had lost before they'd even started. They'd lost before Yoda was even born. . The Sith had changed over the course of the last 1000 years or so since their defeat in the last Jedi/Sith War. They'd become more than just a martial order of dark side users. The Sith had sought new ways to power and different kinds of power at that. The Sith had evolved and become something new, something more. The Jedi meanwhile had spent the last Millenium preparing for a war that was never going to be fought. Training and training, ever vigilant for the next conflict with the Sith. The same conflict it had always been. In time, even that vigilance began to die out as many believed the Sith extinct. A belief that was always fostered by the existing Sith whenever the opportunity arose. . In any case, what Yoda learned from this insight (keep non mind that when Order 66 was finally given and the plan of the Sith carried out, the cloud of the Dark Side was fully lifted and Yoda was shown a multitude of visions including Luke and Leia, glimpses of the future, of Vader and most of all, he understood his priorities. Don't get me wrong, if that force explosi okn had gone differently and Yoda hadn't fallen the way he did, he may well have killed the Emperor however, he'd just fallen a great distance, his age was starting to catch up with him and he knew he'd have to take out the Emperor soon or risk getting too tired and slowing down/making a mistake. Moreover, once Yoda regained himself after his fall, he could feel the Clone Troopers (in ever increasing numbers) all rushing to get to the Emperor. With a heavy heart, Yoda realises that his opportunity to kill the Emperor has past he's lost his window.- hence why he tells Bale Organa "Failed I have, into exile I must go." By this point, Yoda had learned that he NEEDED to survive in order to train the next generation of Jedi so THEY can be the ones to balance the force in the end.

Or Palpatine would have killed Obi-Wan but Yoda may have killed him while he was killing Obi-Wan.

Obi Wan taking Palpatine by surprise could have begun Palpatine’s downfall as Kenobi and Yoda would have defeated Sidious.

Yoda didnt want to fight Sidious in any situation of 1v2+. The reason why was he knew that Sidious would use Yoda's compassion against him and target weaker Jedi, which would make Yoda vulnerable when he responded to protect them, sort of how Dooku tried to crush Anakin and Obi Wan in one of their duels, he distracted Yoda which made Yoda very vulnerable if Dooku had chosen to attack Yoda in that time. Yoda was the only one that could stand a chance against Sidious besides Mace, with Mace gone, he had no one else who could protect themselves enough to where Yoda wouldnt have to sacrifice himself to protect them, which would inevitably get them all killed.

I dont know Yoda's small stature is a significant handicap. It lost him the duel with Sidious.

If it did play out with Vader defeated/killed (or incompacitated allowing them to face down Sidious)! Maybe Yoda would prevent Anakin from harming Padme, seeing that the Republic would need a leader should Palpatine be taken down, someone the people could trust! She only died as she stayed alive long enough to give birth but the stress of losing Anakin was just too much (stress can kill) for her to bare as she may have blamed herself for Anakin's fall as she never informed the Council of Anakin's actions on Tatooine & didn't see the signs of his fall)! So if she lived, possibly with Yoda's wise encouragement as he isn't heartless & would likely have reminded her that she still had her children! Of course, maybe Yoda would have realized Anakin was manipulated by Sidious maybe even recognizing his fear of losing Padme is what drove him to the edge & maybe with Padme's help, they could have gotten through to Anakin if he wasn't killed! Padme could have work with Bail & Mon to reveal Sidious' treachery using his status as a Sith Lord & possibly with the help of Ahsoka, Rex, & other clones that escaped being brainwashed by Order 66 could reveal how Sidious manipulated the Galaxy in a costly war! If Anakin were turned back to the Light, its possible Yoda might decide that the Jedi themselves had failed Anakin in the event that his love for Padme brought him back proving attachments are inevitable & Jedi must learn how to deal not shut themselves off as even he has friends & students he cares for! Maybe Qui-Gon's spirit could help guide Anakin to achieving his full potential! I like to be optimistic & think of scenarios where Anakin is pulled back from the Dark Side, so he can atone for his mistakes for the sake of his children & wife! I also would like to think Padme would have become Chancellor with the Clone Army being freed of the influence of the control chips, using their talents to protect the Republic & maybe ensure that the Galaxy remains peaceful while their Jedi allies rebuild their broken order!

Time was of the essence. If Palpatine realized Vader had been killed (which he would have) then he would likely increase his security 10x so it was impossible to get to him, or he would hunt down Yoda and Obi-Wan with the full might of the empire in order to extinguish the threat to himself. In canon and legends he doesn't make any special effort to find Yoda or Kenobi. He relishes in the fact that they're likely still alive and having to live with the pain and sadness of having their entire order destroyed and seeing the Sith ruling the galaxy. If he actuallyy considered them a threat to his life then he would make it his priority to find and destroy them, as well as make himself impossible to get to. Yoda and Obi-wan are very powerful, but there's no way they'd be able to fight their way through the entire imperial palace into the emperor's throne room and then take him in a fight. He would be aware they were coming as soon as they entered the palace and he would simply order all imperial troopers to the palace. Even if they somehow managed to get to his throne room by fighting through the waves and waves of reinforcements, they would be exhausted and no match for the full power of the emperor and his personal royal guards as well.

They were already on Coruscant, they should have lopped off the head if the snake 1st, then used Padme to find Vader on Mustafar.

TSW?

@@justinanderson2460 The Stupendous Wave. I just abbreviated it

Well there isnt much to talk about. Obi Wan would probably tell Yoda that there still is good in Anakin. Yoda would tell Obi Wan otherwise and then proceed to kill Vader.

What do you think

to be fair, it was Vader not Anakin anymore, which made Vader pretty unballanced in the force as he was only a sith for a few days at that point. Sure he was matching Kenobi but everyone knows that Kenobi wasn't a powerhouse when it comes to the force. So I'd say Yoda would win 8 out of 10 times considering if Vader can somehow catch Yoda off guard.

yep, /agreed

@@JJFO1 no way kenobi would be helpful against Palpatine. He would only slow down Yoda, including with the worry in having him protected from the dark lord in a way he would have been strained in trying to achieve his goal. he already failed alone, with Kenobi on his side propably Sidious would use yoda's keeoing himself back to protect Kenobi to kill them both.

FACT.... LITERALLY LIKE I WROTE IT MYSELF

You underestimate my anakin kenobi

I think your giving Vader a lot of credit in assuming he would live long enough to turn his ightsaber on.

yep, should have teamed up on both vader first

what if it was Sideous and Anakin vs Yoda and Obi

@@JJFO1 sidious would go to mustafar too then after sensing yoda and obi wan both going there then it would be a 2V2 and not to mention the clone troopers firing at the jedi while dueling they are gonna die mid saber clash and the sith win

@@B3an01 I don't agree, I think Yoda would make quick work of Vader then palp would show up...who knows all these ideas are fun to think about

Anaconda would be destroyed in seconds

he suspected in earlier shows he gava palpatine 1 time a very i dont trust you look knowing something was wrong with him

@@kalcuthbert3090 Yeah, that was a "I don't trust the corrupt politician" look. Not a "This guy is a Sith lord looking to rule the entire galaxy and wipe out me and all followers of my religion".

Not really. In the original script anakin fought yoda in palpatine’s office and anakin held his own

@@brianedwards6733 That's why it didn't go into the final script, it's absurd.

@@Just_Pele “Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us” Yoda May win but it won’t be a beat down. Anakin is just as agile and more athletic than yoda. In fact i got my money on the chosen one

@@Just_Pele Anakin would have been much more focused than he was against Obi Wan when he was blinded by pure rage. Styles make fights. Always have and always will

@@brianedwards6733yes

Honestly that's one thing that's always bugged me. Ignoring how much of a crazy about-face it was for Anakin to attack her in the first place, the first thing Obi-wan should have done when he stepped out of that ship was tell Anakin that he snuck aboard BECAUSE she wouldn't tell him where Anakin was but knew she would run to see him out of worry. You can even see when Padmé looks back and sees Obi-wan standing there, you can see the split second of confusion before the panic sets in as she glances back to Anakin, seeing his reaction, she lets out a little "...no..." before he loses it. She clearly knows what it looks like and she can see that Anakin is seeing Obi-wan and thinking she's betrayed him for Obi-wan. . Considering Anakin's stance on loyalty being the most important thing and then having the one person he is most loyal to and who he trusts the most in the galaxy, seemingly turn on him (in conspiracy with his second most loved and loyal companion no less) would have broken his already fragile/conflicted mind and... well... we saw he was so maddened that he attacked Padmé. The thing is, Obi-wan should have know this. He should have known how Anakin would react, he should have known that he'd feel betrayed and he should have been prepared for that. If Obi-wan hadn't been there, they likely would have continued the argument but with a bit of time, it's entirely possible that she could have pulled Anakin back from the delusion he'd created for himself to protect his already guilt-ridden psyche from further pain.

Yes, Obi Wan would’ve been killed within seconds.

George Lucas said Darkside Anakin is equal to Yoda and sidious but not as experienced so could've gone either way

That’s fair.

Sidious Would have sensed that and went there first

Luke would have turned.

Without yoda to distract sidious, he would have senced anikins situation sooner and sent for help or went himself

What if Yoda just knew, that extermination of all force users till like 2-3 "grey" Jedis is the best choice to bring the balance?

Luke wasn't powerful enough to best the Emperor or Vader in ROTJ

Yoda was superior to Dooku but that doesn't mean he can one shot everybody. Dooku was a renowned duelist in his own right. But Yoda was clearly gaining the upper hand. Hence Dooku covering his escape by trying to crush Anakin and Obi Wan.

No it's not no Anakin means Luke dies to sidious it was Anakin as Vader that killed sidious do not understand why Anakin needed to live.

@@leosnyder5264 Obi-wan had no way of knowing that at all. He probably was also holding on to hope that Yoda was going to triumph over Sidious. The only appropriate thing for Obi-wan to do was to put Anakin out of his misery like Mace Windu or Yoda *absolutely* would have done. Instead Obi-wan wanted Anakin to suffer for his sins and left him to burn alive and instead be saved by the emperor anyway. I understand Sidious could have overcome the loss of Vader but it would have thrown a *SERIOUS* wrench in Sidious' plans as he would himself have to do every single solitary thing Vader did in addition to publicly being emperor of the Galaxy. Either that or Star Killer would have to be his Vader if that would even work out if you'd even accept that canon.

He dident loose the only reason diaper palpy stopped using his lightsaber was cuz he could sence yoda would have clapped his diaper ass if it continued

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There's a reason why I prefer reading the books, novels and comics over watching movies; so much more information is laid out.

​@@GymnasticsCoach83 Ah it is from the books then? Will try get hold of them today thanks!

Their goal was to kill both sith to save the galaxy and teaming up to do a 2 v 1 fight would alert the other to go into hiding or bring in help (troops) for protection which would hinder them from killing the remaining sith left. Yoda knew obi wan helping against sidious was a waste as palps would kill obi wan 1 second in like he did the other 3 masters that came with Mace. Palps had already told the Senate that Jedi tried to kill him and if they 2 v 1 Anakin and killed him then went for palps next it'd only proved his lie true to the galaxy. They wanted the element of surprise also

I'm not sure what you know or don't but your statements are totally false. Anakin was a consular (force focused jedi) until he was bested by Dooku. Then, he became a Guardian (protection/saber focused). Then the clone wars started. However, he was still the most powerful and highly skilled jedi the order had ever seen.

​@A M he was slways obsessed with fighting even before Dooku, he literally kicked Greedo's ass, then when qui gonn was killed by Maul he built a Droid like him and kicked his ass every day out of obsession

@Harley Alderson He becomes Darth Vader. Obviously the boy had anger issues 😆

Yoda and Obi Wan should have confronted Sidious together. Anakin could have waited until the greater threat was dealt with

@@robinpage2730 As one time said by this very channel, I do think if Yoda & Obi-Wan would of fought together against either Palpatine or Anakin, they'd likely get in each other's way unfortunately. Especially if it were Palpatine. Sidious previously showed exceptional ability in tactical actions in his fight with the four Jedi that tried to arrest him. He immediately rushed to kill the first two weakest lightsaber duelists Agen Kolar & Saesee Tiin, then Kit Fisto, allowing him to focus on the strongest Mace Windu without getting too worn out from a long fight. They got in each other's way during that skirmish. Chances are if they had adopted a blitzkrieg-style tactic of sending solely in their strongest Jedi, Mace Windu, up against Palpatine to fight him one on one, only allowing another one of themselves to intervene if Windu was in trouble or killed, they potentially could of defeated Sidious by trying to tire him out in a prolonged duel. But getting back to the subject, if Yoda & Obi-Wan also employed the same tactic I mentioned, blitzkrieg-style, sending the strongest of the two in Yoda to fight one on one against Palpatine, only letting Obi-Wan tag in should Yoda have difficulty or get slain, they might have had a chance to beat Palpatine. However chances are Vader, just as Sidious did, would suddenly sense his master in danger & quickly leave to assist him. Anakin after all is desperate to prevent Padmé's death & see's Sidious as the only one who can help him prevent her untimely end. He wouldn't want him killed so long as she continued drawing breath. Palpatine would likely hold off Yoda & Obi-Wan in that scenario just long enough to possibly get backup from Vader. From there, a 2 on 2 fight could of resulted in Yoda & Obi-Wan getting in the way of one another, while a fresh Darth Vader would likely find an opening or create an opening, & then kill one of the two Jedi. Tactically speaking, Yoda made the best & smartest call having Obi-Wan fight Vader, while he dealt with Sidious.

Nah yoda would of won but not that easy. Dooku could hold of yoda remember and Anakin surpassed Dooku so I honestly believe he could probably keep up for a decent 5mins

I mean even Yoda can't one shot everybody, so I'd say Vader could've hold his own for a while but ultimately Yoda would still win. Even Dooku had to distract Yoda so he can escape, and he was a renowned duelist.

@@chihuahua0117 Vader would wreck all the prequel characters.

@@metascrub285 okayy? That wasn't really the topic ?? But I don't know if vader could wreck windu. I guess he'd win, but definitely not mop the floor with windu

@@chihuahua0117 nah kinda own Windu and the entire prequel era. It's been stated alot of the characters grew stronger in the time jump. Vader and sidious by the og trilogy are completely different level to before. Watch Seth the programmers starwars videos. He is a pro power scaler and has all the official statements on how strong the og trilogy characters are.

Doesn't work, Obi-Wan isn't strong enough to fight Palpatine. It would also make Yoda less effective because instead of focusing on killing Palpatine he'd be distracted trying to defend Obi-Wan.

@@coh5216 Of course it works. The very concept of the Rule of Two is to prevent multiple apprentices from teaming up on the master. Obi only needs to be strong enough to dived Pal attention and I think he is strong enough to coordinate with Yoda

As great a duelist as he was, I think logically, Sidious would have killed Obi-Wan quickly to get him out of the way so he could focus on Yoda.

@@Doug5614 I agree Obi was no match for Sid but could he really afford to divide his attention with Yoda there? I highly doubt Yoda wouldn't take advantage of the opening even if Obi died

Yeah, because that strategy totally worked for the masters that went with Windu to arrest Palpatine 😏

The part that blows your whole argument out of the water is that Anakin's dialogue with Padme shows that he was thoroughly convinced that he was stronger than any Jedi, including Yoda. It wouldn't have made any difference if Yoda showed up because Anakin was already convinced that he was going to win. Respect didn't enter the equation at all because his hubris was at an all-time high.

yaddle, of the same species, also felt at the hands of Dooku. So... there's no absolutes nor straight certainties

LITERALLY I WROTE THE SAME THING TO ANOTHER PERSON 😂

Per George Lucas . Obi wan is an 8. Anakin was a 7 and went to 9 when he went Darkside but didn't have complete mastery over his powers. Yoda and sidious were 9. George Lucas says Anakin Darkside is equal to Yoda and PALPS... however they have more knowledge as they're more experienced and refined than Anakin as Yoda and PALPS would be a laser while Anakin more like a shotgun

@Theo C @Theo C Yeah, I've seen that conversation before. I'm not sure I entirely agree with Mr. Lucas, however, based on a few factors, I would say the first, being the fight with Dooku. I could see both Anakin and Obi-Wan being the same, then Anakin increasing a number from the dark side, though. I can see where George Lucas is coming from, but we very much get a different impression from contextual evidence. I have no argument for whether or not Sidious and Yoda are on the same level as Anakin, though, as we don't really have much to go on aside from Yoda vs. Dooku and the Anakin vs. Dooku. If we assume Dooku's skill hasn't changed, I think then that argument makes sense. It also doesn't account for the fake plan Sidious told Dooku. If the number is Raw power level, then I can see that entirely, but my numbers also account for skill, which is why I ranked them higher than Anakin. But it's hard to argue and say Obi-Wan is equal to Anakin based on how dirty they did the fight between Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Dooku. I blame Lucas at least show Sidious doing something to aid Dooku? Meh idk I appreciate your response though!

George Lucas said Darkside Anakin is equal to Yoda and sidious so if he taps into the DS further he definitely mops Yoda. George Lucas also said full potential Anakin is a 200% powered sidious.