This guy is telling lies and it is sooooo ironic. It's obvious he has been on Carson's website and looked at the number of subscribers . Then he sat down and thought hmm how can I steal some of his subscribers. That pretty much sums up the reason behind this video.
@UnfartedEx Tassee Advice number one : extreme sarcasm is not a way to keep subscribers. Advise number 2: Stop sucking off the mainstream like it's the only source out there. Advise number 3: Talk to Carlson and Graham and use your best communication skills available to understand how they are successful and you are not.
You know the part that really confounds me? That nobody seems to get how garbage dumps are so important to archeology. Just places where people toss broken pots or dead animals accounts for some of our strongest accounts of how people in the past lived, largely because afterwards they didn't mess with what was in there anymore. It's one of the reasons broken pottery is so central to our understanding to most early civilizations; their garbage is most of what we know about them. Our society makes such a massive amount of functionally indestructible refuse that if nothing else, the sheer chemical impossibility and sporadic placement of the deposits of our garbage dumps is going to mystify first geologists, then archeologists, in the event that records of what they are are lost. We're leaving miles-long compacted deposits of artifacts, spent resources, and indestructible polymers; by no means going to be unnoticeable if anybody digs at all in the future. The idea that a society like ours is going to return to the earth and be forgotten is romantic. I appreciate the Arcadian aesthetic. But it isn't true. And it's self-defeating and irresponsible to assume that our changes to the environment are ultimately without consequence and our accomplishments are futile.
The height of modern technology is to make totally renewable objects that don't harm the environment and melt back into the natural world like an iceball melts into a Carolina bay. It would stand to reason that most objects used through most of mankind's history were completely reducible and left no trace. Like a banana leaf used as a plate or a chopstick discarded into a compost heap.
Let us also not forget, most rural areas and homesteads used to have their own garbage dumps. I have a house that was built in 1862 and I located it's old dump site that brought me from 1880 to 1950. The only things that were extant were some brass makeup compacts and glass bottles. You could tell where the remnant of metal cans were, but they have already disintegrated in the rich decomposing soil of the NE. Luckily, many glass bottles are datable based on style (earlier) or codes(later)
The people of ancient civilizations, would think we live like animals. Compared to what we build, and pass off, as housing, they would be right. Not too many homes of today, would be recognizable as anything, after a thousand years of abandonment. Very few things built in the last 200 years would last that long. We suck compared to those guys.
Everyone knows that if there isn’t pottery humans were never there. Humongous unexplainable stone structures all over the world don’t mean anything if there isn’t pottery or glass jars or PVC conduit laying around. Oh and I almost forgot, if you didn’t learn about it in one of your history classes in public school then you know it’s not real and it’s probably racist to even talk about.
@@ericcarlson51 I'm assuming you went to the same schools as the rest of us so whatever knowledge you may think you possess comes from the same basic source. As to the rest of your post, if you learned anything in school or life or from the comic-books you've supplemented your education with, anybody can stack rocks, pottery though, is another thing altogether and indicates a higher level of advancement, so, if you aren't being sarcastic, stone structures, alone, do indicate human presence but pottery indicates a particular level of development.
Without talking about concrete. In Italy we still have bridges built by the Romans that are in use because their concrete is practically indestructible.
Thank you for reminding us that there is a real world with a real history. Even though you may never get through to Randall, you're doing us all a great service.
As a kid I was obsessed with the x-files. This led me to the conspiracy section of the bookstore as a teen where I found a book called forbidden history. It had essays by Robert schoch, Chris Dunn - the usual suspects. I devoured it. I felt so smart and so special for reading what felt like an academic tome cover to cover. Anyway I go into school the next day and I ask the biology teacher about cataclysm theory and he straight up humiliates me in front of the whole class but doesn’t explain. It still hurts 15 years later and delayed my (admittedly continued) enlightenment by years. I really appreciate that you take the approach you do - debunking and engaging without resorting to insults.
*_"I ask the biology teacher about cataclysm theory and he straight up humiliates me in front of the whole class but doesn’t explain"_* What? That's dreadful. What an appalling teacher. Did you go to a Young Earth Creationist school? {:o:O:}
Cataclysm theory turned out to be right. A giant meteor really did extinguish the dinosaurs; another one really did cause the Younger Dryas. When I was at school the dinosaurs all died of "climate change". Turns out that was right - a sudden fiery change.
@@ClaytonBigsby01 takes courage to admit such a thing! It's the people who are scared of looking dumb that try to hide any stories of their failure. That is hardly Alpha, it's posturing.
I studied Anthropology 50 yeas ago. Recently I saw a claim that millions of years from now geologists would find a layer in the rocks that contained traces of plastic and so would know we were here. I also think that if the high ancient civilivation used concrete it would still be around after 10K years. Also, pieces of broken pottery =chards are indestructable. Also, their mines would have been obvious as hole in the ground. I saw a report that the copper age smelting locations are still there to be seen because the tailings piles are poison to plants [copper oxide] and the charcole there can be dated. Like you said burried iron objects would still exist. Things lost in inland lakes would be found because the sea level rise doesn't cover them at all. Also, why is this civilization so localized? Why isn't it in N. America or Europe? Why not in China? With millions of objects made and lost why have zero been found?
And using ice cores, we can detect historical volcanic eruptions across the world & measure oxygen levels, etc. Easy to imagine scientists seeing evidence of the past few hundred years twenty thousand years in the future. And hard to imagine why *we* see no evidence of ancient technologically advanced civilizations ... unless they never existed. (There are cores that go back over a million years.)
Because according to Graham Hancock and others of his ilk, claim that this advanced lost civilization didn't use metal, didn't use writing and claims like that. What he is talking about when he says advanced is them having greater congnigive abilities and using it for storing information without the need for writing, sharing information without speaking, astral projection and stuff like that.... It's pretty convenient that anything that we could use to identify them, they don't use.
@@dr4d1s yeah that’s just dumb. Any intelligent people would definitely exploit the natural resources available, at least to an extent. They may do it more wisely than we have but still, even the most primitive indigenous people of the past found and used copper. And that starts the whole chain reaction of metallurgy all over the world
What about the mining footprints? Any future archaeologists would see that the top layers of resources had been strip mined dry all over the place, regardless of how much of our material culture had decomposed. As much as 50k years in the future, there may be nothing remaining of any known civ but there would still be enormous amounts of missing goodies under the ground.
And the tailings. Future archaeologists and geologists would have entire maps made of nothing but cyanide levels and lead contamination, as well as stockpiles of either barrels or trace metals and polymers amid ridiculously radioactive water in cut chambers lined in lead or clearly contrived concrete.
@@jimmcluhan2455 Yeah, he was way overdue. I'm 62. That night in '67, I was eight, and my mom asked my dad if it was a good idea to let me stay up on a school night to watch the game. My dad said "We better, it's going to be a while before they win another." I think he was thinking in terms of a decade long drought due to rebuild. Ha ha ha.
As we all know from Pompeii whenever there’s a major disaster that buries a large area, everything buried is destroyed and not preserved for future rediscovery.
Ehm,.. so how do you know about Pompeii? Your argument makes no sense in view of finding a whole city with much of the contents found. It has given a tonne of knowledge about life in that era.
@@gabrielassaf9229 It was an example, Do you think if we had not found Pompei for another 10000 that we wouldn't be able get at least some of the same data.
In the 60’s Eric Von Daniken’s books had a profound effect on my lifelong interest in ancient history but even then in my teens I intuitively understood it would be best to actually read primary sources. Eventually I read Plato, Herodotus, the Gilgamesh epic etc.etc.and bit by bit it became clear to me that Mr. Von Daniken really didn’t know what he was talking about 😔. But! I’m grateful to his books because it led me to a much deeper understanding of humanity’s rich history. It is truly difficult to study a subject like history dispassionately we all have hidden biases and hidden agendas, often hidden from ourselves! Being overly confident in one’s own knowledge is a good indication that you’ve good a lot more to learn.
I agree when Ancient Aliens first came out I knew it was nonsense but was happy it was shedding light on historic topics and such and I did learn from it.
Randall Carlson makes people think. I`ve never imagined that he, or anyone, is exactly right about all of this. He does present some great info about the past.
@@stehfreejesseah7893 yeah but then they would say a stone was 10,000 tons and can't be lifed by modern equipment. But when you look it up the stone is 1 ton
@@ANTIStraussian no one has ever said that a stone was 10,000 tons . 3040 and 100 ton stones do exist I don’t know where you look that up at but you do realize one time there’s only 2000 pounds so you’re the one that’s full of shit here not the other way around
Y'know what's always the amusing part to me about this sort of thing? These people always Assert that "mainstream archeologists ignore evidence that is Inconvenient to their viewpoints' as they proceed to ignore Evidence inconvenient to their viewpoint.
as they ignore the most basic information taught on the first day of archaeology class.. This guys can't stand it when people who went to college know more than them. Joe Rogan is major little dick energy like that
I keep telling people that mainstream scientists love to prove new claims are correct and the only people who think academics are hiding things from the world are the people who never actually got past mandatory high school. No academic worth anything wouldn't jump at the chance to create a new theory and back it up with proof because that's the difference between teaching children and teaching the teachers. Teaching children is fine, but to be fair the people who settle for that aren't ever looking for fame or fortune. Those who want fame and fortune know the only way to get it is by expanding the boundaries of human knowledge. Or, you know, make up complete bs and sell that lie like advanced high technology existed.
Any professional archeologist would love to bring a new viewpoint if it is really possible. Who would deny the chance to be named as the scientist that changed the field of archeology?
Its interesting to see the RU-vid algorithm at work. I'd watched a few episodes of Randall Carlson, Graham Handcock, and a few others of the genre. The more of this content I watch, the more RU-vid offers up. I wanted to understand the other side of the argument from actual archeology, and discovered this channel. I honestly feel silly for not looking at the pseudo group with a more critical eye. I wasn't studying, I was entertaining myself and managed to turn off the critical part of my brain.
"Alphabet" wants you tuned in all day - and night if possible - with your eyes open and your brain switched off............ 😵💫 This is their business model after all - and for them misinformation/disinformation/toxic speech = 💲💲💲 They are the 19th Century British here shipping in the opium = while the users are the Chinese....... 🤨
hey don't feel silly! It's not silly to make a mistake, do some research and then realise it was all bullshit. Don't feel bad about it, feel bad about the gullible people who will believe Carlson until they die. Look at all the real silly people in the comments who ACTUALLY STILL FCKN BELIEVE HANCOCK AND CARLSON.
It's like I was reading something I myself had written...this was my exact experience and thought process. As something of a scientist, I feel a sense of shame to have been so easily duped. Yet given the fact that educated people such as ourselves can be misled in this way, what chance do the masses have?
If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary? The religious are ludicrous, avoided like the old women with too many cats. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. Who sends their children to prophet trade-school? If there were a god, then would there be any demand for scripture interpretations by various podium-jockeys using fantasyland vocabulary? These are the religious, the wolves in sheep's clothing. Even Jesus says faith is worthless or you could order mountains to move about. The scam works with faith & prayers, suggesting we all should travel with one foot in their fantasyland. Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason. We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism. It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. As if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves. @@0Icelord0
Y’all seem so sure of debunking Randall but yet have completely taken his work as solid bf this half truth fame robbing theory which had no credibility. I bet y’all took the shot believing it’s a vaccine……
There's a few things that I have noticed when someone cites Carlson as scientist with evidence. 1. They have no idea what credentials he claims and most incorrectly think he's a geologist (he isn't). 2. They cannot tell you what he does for a living (podcasts and construction). 3. They think he's done field work but can't tell you what (he hasn't). 4. They have no idea if he's published any papers on the topic (he hasn't). 5. They're convinced that he has solid evidence based on his experience and expertise (he doesn't). It's really odd that Carlson has someone convinced the conspiracy theory crowd that he's some kind of actual scientist who is on their side when he has zero credentials or evidence. When asked about his background or published work they quickly shut up or try to cry about appealing to authority while forgetting that the only reason Carlson is mentioned by them is because they push him as an authority. I'm not saying Carlson created this false image of himself, but it's really odd how it exists based on literally nothing.
Also note how (to this date) there's no RC Wikipedia page (where one would expect to find information such as education, tenures, publications etc..) this guy is a massive charlatan!
It's worth bearing in mind that archaeologists aren't scientists either. They can promote and utilize the scientific method though the same as anyone else. All archaeology is really is a discipline for the management of collaborative frameworks.
Yes, especially the "rogue anthropologist". I studied anthropology for eleven years and these guys just watch a Joe Rogan podcast, write a conspiracy book based on mountains of bs, and become the authority. It really says much for my profession that we can't engage the public like these grifters can.
@@backalleycqc4790 now all our anthropologist, archeologists, & every scientist have to be taught the art "showmanship" and convince ppl the only way ppl get persuaded by which is thru entertainment. I guess. Good thing we have David here for us lol
@@backalleycqc4790 Well, dont lie to the public when massive evidence for say, the population of the Americas before the Clovis culture or the existence of subterranean cities underneath the Pyramids of Egypt rears its head and perhaps you would have kept the good faith of the public. Your profession did it to itself. It destroyed the careers of luminaries to feed a lie.
@@backalleycqc4790 Yes, lie. You're obviously not read on what happened to the first proponents of these two discoveries. Laugh away. You lose the publics trust a little more every day. Or should I bow my head in patronage for daring to suggest your discipline is capable of lying just to protect the textbook sales of its household names?
I love to imagine an ancient advanced civilization that lived in harmony with their ecology and made spaceships out of bamboo and seashells or whatever. They left no record because they built everything to be biodegradable. Maybe one day we'll find one of their libraries fully preseved deep beneath the artic ice and learn all their secrets. Until then, though, I'm grateful for academics who have dedicated their lives to understanding the past based on sober observations of the evidence we have. Thanks for helping popularize the work of your field.
@@Loagun there would be buried parts and some extremely durable parts in the ground, practically forever. Stainless steel was used more and more since the 90s.
@@Loagun Globaly, there are still plenty of cars from before, during and after the 90s that are still being maintained and not all their parts magically just rust away so easily. God knows ancient civilisations around the world had loads of old carts break down, rust and rot away and yet we still find great examples. Plus, what about all the tons of stuff along with cars that would be buried and preserved? 🧐🤔😅
1. Heavy metals are durable. Black Sabbath's first albums are still great. 2. I find it quite telling that Rogan's first answer when asked what would survive is Mount Rushmore. I distinctly heard patriotic music and fireworks in the background when he said that. 3. What bothers me sometime (and probably shouldn't) is not that material remains of the current civilizations may not last (and I agree with you they would), it's more... well, will there be anybody, human or not, to look for them and know where and how to look? I'm quite pessimistic about this. But that's a personal bias.
Rushmore and the giant relief carving on Stone Mountain _will_ last for millions of years barring meteor strikes or the actions of humans. Other traces will last a while, but will they be discovered or recognized, as you asked? How much will remain of the roadways we carved into mountains, the canals we constructed, the supports for bay-spanning bridges? Jewelry of gold, platinum, silver, and precious stones: broken apart by time, mixed with the deteriorated remains of our buildings, missed by numerous searchers?
@@julietfischer5056 are these numerous searchers blind? Do they only use a remote and a recliner and watch cable tv? We can find occasional ring villages by the post molds, yet you dont think the hundreds of square miles of graded cities won't leave remains? The thousands of miles of roadways? Try harder.
i dunno if Carlson’s right but I sure do enjoy listening to him and his theories. And I am pretty sure he does not claim to “right” beyond a shadow of a doubt. Pretty sure he is always open to counter criticism on his counter-theories that go against the mainstream. That’s the vibe I’ve always gotten from him.
Being entertaining isn't the same thing as being right though. 'The oldest copper artifact we found is 7000 years old and in pretty good shape too. I don't think we wouldn't find anything older if it existed, particularly from a global civilization. A small town the size of Jericho that figured out how to work copper 10 000 years ago we might very well have missed but not a huge highly advanced civilization. I mean, we have even found old yarn made by a neanderthal. Homo Sapiens have not existed that long on the planet, somewhere between 200 - 350 000 years depending on who you ask. There are plenty of materials that would have survived that long including plastics, glass, gold, Platinum, porcelain and fiberglass. We are also filling up our gap in the historical record today.You might argue that a highly advanced society could show up fast but that isn't exactly the case. It took us 7000 years to go from figuring out how to work the first metals (copper and gold) to our modern society and even longer if you count from we we discovered agriculture. And while we have found a lot of cave painting, we never seen any written language older then 5500 years and that is counting the Danube script that only might be words, otherwise it is another 200 years later. So I have nothing against Carlson but his theory that all evidence would be gone isn't right. Heck, we even know that Neanderthals burnt or cut down woods and kept their close area open a 100 000 years ago, there is zero chance we would have missed a high tech civilization unless it was at least half a million years back. And if it was that long ago, Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals and Denisovans would all be out of the picture, I could possibly believe them to be smart enough to create a civilization (we don't know much about the Denisovans but both early homo Sapiens and Neanderthals were highly intelligent). Homo Erectus and Homo Habilis seems unlikely to create a civilization to me. And even if an ancient highly advanced civilization somehow existed, you kinda needs some actual proof to claim that and those proofs just doesn't existed. People were in fact a bit more advanced then we thought they were not long back. Heck, Neanderthals built some weird shrine or something in a cave 220 000 years ago which is super impressive but there are zero signs of writing, metal working or similar technology older then 7000 years. Agriculture is slightly older and really primitive agriculture might have existed slightly longer then 20 000 years (there is a site in Israel that seems to have processed a few grains and signs in New Guinea that they fed up a type of bird). So "advanced for their time" yes, advanced in the modern sense no unless it happened extremely long ago.
He gets some attention. And, maybe, parlays that into a few bucks. So what? Lots of facts and, at least a history, of work. Lots of other garbage and goofballs to go after, leave Randall alone.
@@crazyalarmstudios2012 Uh, "our current economic systems as well as our technology cannot achieve that level of precision, stamina, and speed to quarry, move, and lift those stones"? Who told you that? Any modern dictator could easily build a great pyramid faster with a bit of madness and a large sum of money to waste. Well, except Kim Jong Il who took longer building that huge pyramid shaped hotel, I don't think it is finished even now but that is more an evidence of incompetence then anything else. But you are right that 20 years building time is suspicious and for a good reason, basically come the number from a Greek tourist who 1500 years after the building asked a priest how long time it took. It is preposterous that many Egyptology expert take that number with that thin "evidence". It is like you visiting a Mayan city and just ask your local guide how long time it took them to build a specific pyramid and you just being 100% sure he told you the truth. There is no evidence at all how long the pyramid took to build and if Khufu started building the pyramid when we think he became Pharaoh and it was finished when he died it took 33 years (probably, the old kingdom records are a bit spotty) which honestly sounds more likely then 20 years but that is still just a guess. And yeah, with enough people working on it, I don't think that is impossible even with primitive tools. We do have evidence for those primitive tools but not for modern or futuristic tools after all. Assuming people couldn't build it with those tools is underestimating a people there were just as smart as we are today. I mean, until any evidence for more advance tools pop up, all evidence we have are saying they used the tools we know they had to build it, we do know they had a lot of man power. We do know though experimental archaeology that is it possible to carve and move stones with the tools they had, it is just very hard work requiring a lot of people. The one thing experts are pulling out of their @ss is the time it took, I have no clue why they would believe such shoddy evidence there but even if it took a 100 years to build that doesn't really change things. Erich Von Däniken somehow counted it would take them 666 years to build but that is ridiculous and the number sounds suspiciously like he just made it up without bothering to count at all.
@@crazyalarmstudios2012 You mean that you think building buildings like Burj Khalifa is easy but the great pyramid would be impossible? I don't mean to be rude or anything and it is an impressive building but the precision required for a massive skyscraper is higher, Logically, the precision is not really the problem for us. We can use laser measurements that would beat the ancient Egyptians by a lot. We are certainly able to cut large sandstones blocks as well and we are pretty good at stacking heavy stuff. So I don't see the problem in any of the technical aspects. Funding for a huge prestige building is harder but there are plenty of nations that waste enormous sums of weird buildings today as well. Now, I didn't say I think it was impossible that they built the great pyramid in 20 years but it seems a bit optimistic and there is no actual evidence it was built that fast either. Hearsay about something happening 1500 years ago is not evidence, not even close. I have no idea why they would keep repeating this as some truth when the fact is that we just don't know. One thing we do have is toolmarks on the great pyramids and on the quarries made to make it and those are consistent with the tools we have found. If someone actually found a few more advanced tools things would be different but we really never did. There is one good argument for the old Egyptians having a far more advanced tool then we expect them to have, but that is later. In Luxor, there is a depiction of a fertility God with small snakes coming out from his... uh.. "tool". That is a very interesting coincidence and might mean someone in the new Kingdom actually built some kind of microscope. Lightbulbs and stuff doesn't stand up to evidence, you can see they are lotus flowers and the writing next to them say so but a microscope is possible. So far is the only Egyptian lens we found in the bust of Nefertiti and that bust might be a forgery (there is a huge debate about that), one archaeologists claimed they instead might have used the lenses from cows eyes. I don't know and it could be a coincidence but that is the only good argument for ancient Egyptians having access to an advanced tool that can't be dismissed since we know they had tools that can accomplish it, they certainly had no other tools that can see something that small. People tend to focus on sillier things though, like that one picture kinda looks like a helicopter if you squirt your eyes a little.
@@crazyalarmstudios2012 The thing with UFOs is that we don't really have any good evidence for what they really are with a few exceptions. There was the Foo fighters during WW2 who followed allied bombers and the bombers engines often suddenly stopped. For those however, reports from the time claims they were a Nazi weapon, a remote drone powered with a Junkers jumo engine that used a EMP. That might sound a bit far fetched at first but we do have actual drones from the time that were remote controlled drones controlled from a bomber that worked, we do have Jumo engines and they likely understood EMPs. Other sightings are harder to explain. Not Roswell though since US both tested Me 163 Comets who tended to explode in the air as well as their weird balloons, I think it was a 163 myself, it do look alien and the material investigators collected later were the same aluminum material as the Comet. But I have some logistical problem with aliens sending thousands of ships every year to earth. A trip from Proxima century (that could be inhabited, no clue there) would at minimum take 6 years. That is not so long that a manned expedition or 2 couldn't make it and some drones certainly could as long as they have some kind of AI. But sending thousands of ships seems very unlikely, it clearly would not be profitable but something you would do out of scientific curiosity and spending enormous resources on visiting a single planet seems like a very strange decision. The claims of probing red necks also sound ridiculous. So I wouldn't say it is impossible that aliens at a time would have visited the earth, it really depends on how common life is in the universe. Any civilization within 50 lightyears certainly could have a few unmanned ships to document humanity even if that isn't the likeliest possibility. That said, I think the Nazca lines were made to be seen by the Gods, not aliens. That is certainly the easiest and most logical explanation. As for the pyramids, if aliens did give the Pharaohs the tools to build them (there are 118 large pyramids in Egypt and more so if somewhat smaller in Kush, it seems unlikely the aliens would build so many pyramids so I assume the logical explanation would be that they gave people the tools to build them) we certainly never found such a tool or even the toolmarks from them. And if the aliens built them, why didn't they used more advanced materials and techniques? I think that part comes down to Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is that Imhotep looked on the earlier Egyptian graves and made something more impressive looking and advanced. His first attempt didn't really work out so he tried again and built the Red Pyramid. Later Pharaohs decided they wanted something more impressive and built larger and larger pyramids until that became impossible from an economic standpoint. Then they first cheated and built theirs on hills to be taller until they finally gave up. And yeah, I am saying that most UFO sightings must be misidentified objects of a more mundane origin, I don't know if any aliens or their probes ever visited the earth, I need more information to say yes or no to that. I can however say that the millions of observations can't all be aliens, that is just not feasible. And I don't see why aliens should build large stone buildings on a foreign planet, I would expect any civilization advanced enough to travel between the stars to also be advanced enough to use metals and synthetic materials. Saying that aliens isn't real is a bit ludicrous, we just don't know enough to claim that but I don't think we know enough to claim we know they are real either. The US air force is certainly interested as they should be. If we do find bacteria on Mars that would make the argument for aliens more likely, we have no clue how common life is in the universe and if life have evolved somewhere else in our solar system that would mean it is pretty common. But that is just speculations. I prefer to go where the evidence points me but I wont dismiss a possible until it is proven wrong. However I will look on the likeliest explanation as my goto explanation, it is usually the correct one if not always so. I like discussing archaeology and there is no reason to be rude to people not agreeing with you. The important thing is to examine the evidence and artifacts that have been found. Listen to the people who investigated a place and hear why they came to the conclusion they came to, that is usually the problem with people like Hancock who cherry pick a few things and ignore the great picture. Usually archaeologists do have sound reasons for their conclusion but not always like the case with how long time it took to build the great pyramid. New evidence might also pop up forcing a new theory.
I really appreciate these videos of yours. Because it make you more aware of how naive and gullible we ourselves are. With so much information overload that is available online we can be fooled by these charismatic people without questioning the validity of their claims. And I really enjoy the tidbits you add into these videos when you challenge these people. You reveal information which has been verified by different disciplines which is at once fascinating and inspiring and keeps my life long interest in archaeology and history alive. You reveal things which are not just the glossed over bits of basic history and bring to life ancient forgotten civilizations and cultures.
A fair critique. Upper Paleolithic cave art from 40k plus years ago to 12k years ago maintains a very descriptive cultural record. No metal objects, ships, ... from the period have been found. Evidence lasts a long time in deep caves. #beforeorion
But there's evidence of pottery 24k years ago, radio carbon dated, fast stone drilling 40k years ago (denisova cave), there's evidence of shipping... how were people in america 130kyears ago, 23k years ago... flying? Swimming?
@@emanubiz2040 I am not sure the Denisova Cave artifact or pottery would be categorized as advanced technologies. They are evidence that artifacts from more than 12k years ago can enter the record without evidence of metal, ships,... How did pre-Clovis peoples enter North America? The same way Clovis people did - across Beringia or what became the Bering Strait after the rising of sea levels. I am not on either side of this debate. Dr. Miano has made a good case. I have been calling out sophisticated knowledge of astronomy, biology and mapmaking to 34k years ago with evidence - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-czKdLU0s9aM.html
If it was needed, It has just been published a study which demonstrates that Beringia Ice Free Corridor wasn't there before 13800 years ago, so humans went to America by boat, not by feet. Anyway It was already evident from the successions of archeological findings in north america which go from south to north and not viceversa. P.S. Coastal route is not necessarily the simplest way.
@Shimmy Shai Earliest claims for humans on North America are only 23000 years ago and those are still being debated. There's nothing before then though.
This guy clearly selectively remembers the "Life After People" show. Several episodes go over stuff that is left behind. One even speculates millions of years in the future, alien geologists finding the strata some geologists want to call the "anthropocene" with high amounts of plastics and unusually higher radiation. It was a cool show. Recommend it for fans of this channel tho they focus on studying places that have been abandoned in modern times because they want to show the methodical study, so no ancient sites. Their main recurring expert was actually a civil engineer if i remember right
Some of the more radioactive materials that we have synthesized are likely to continue to exist in some form for half a million years, I would suspect.
@@bagofnails6692 Quarter million. If you're using a modern thorium fuel, that is. The old fuels last for up to 4 billion years (U238), 7 million years (U235), or 24 thousand years (Plutonium). But that's a tiny fraction of the fuel, and frankly most of the substances producing hard radiation have much shorter half lives, ranging from just a few seconds to a couple of months. In general spent nuclear fuel will be deadly for a quarter year, very bad for a few centuries, and then not so bad for millions of years.
@@krannok I'm no expert, but I have just googled that U235 ( I think) has a half life of 700 million years, which if true means that in 2.8 billion years, a kilo of the stuff, if pure (Yes, I know) will still contain a sixteenth of a kilo of U235. I have no idea how much U235 has been created by humans, but it's likely to be more than a kilo.
@@bagofnails6692 Yes, but they take the uranium out in a chemical process. It's all terribly complicated, but in a nutshell when nuclear fuel is spent, we leave it to sit for half a year, then we run it through a process I do not understand, and that process extracts most of the uranium and converts it to plutonium for reuse in another powerplant, although after that it becomes a near-indestructable substance, and *that* is what we store for centuries. In the end, less than 0.4% by weight is uranium.
Do you know what lasts for a very long time? Excavations. We have dug into the earth in search of metal and left excavations that will be around until the continents move a great deal. Look at the iron mines, the coal mines, the coal pits and more that we humans have left behind. Where are the excavations and the mines from the ancient high tech civilizations that supposedly existed 10 or 20 thousand years ago? We have dug up so much that anyone coming after us will have to struggle to find any metals that don't require deep depth mining to find.
This. Also, our citys are full of building's with large underground components. Filled with things like cars, plumbing, glass, ceramics and a plethora of electronic equipment. To assert that all of this evidence would vanish in 5000 years is ridiculous.
We still have Roman and even pre-Roman mines. They're not safe for masses of people to explore, so they're not open to the public, but they have lasted not quite intact for 2000 and more years.
Imagine what we can find under the Sahara sands, very ancient human ruins mostly likely due to the fact Sahara was green 5000 years ago. They already found the oldest mummy in Libya North Africa. So many ol ancient maps that show old river and lakes streams that match up to modern science.
Ignorance begets ignorance ad infinitum unless the cycle is broken. Sometimes for the good of humanity imbecilic beliefs must be aired out and more accurate information provided to help obviate the presence of the bad. Yes it can at times be tedious. Sometimes you must as any parent will tell you when the moppets are being annoying and want attention simply say: _"yes dear........that's nice...."_ - and continue on.
Orbital stuff around Earth will all decay for anything below Geo-synchronous orbit. In some cases it takes tens of millions of years. But out TV satelites will still be there in hundreds of millions of years. And our hardware on the moon could still be recognisable in a billion or so.
I am slowly but surely watching all the vids on your channel. I am an academic (neurology) but history is only my passion. So far, your channel is a breeze here on RU-vid - both because of backed up claims and the invitation for discussion. Id like to give my gratulations for a passionate job well done, even though I am not always in agreement with you. Please keep it up. The world needs passionate teachers!
Cataclysms destroy evidence? Actually, a nice mudflow can preserve a vast trove of material. First, the disaster racks up a huge body count. Throw in a crapload of debris, then cover with dust, soot, ash, mud, silt, etc. Simply finding an underground parking garage with a few cars would be an amazing time capsule.
I am old enough to remember when no one with accreditation would even hint at the possibility of a site like Portasar (Gobekli tepe) being possible. Virtually anyone who took the chance to speculate was ridiculed mercilessly, seemingly with glee. It just happens that the site and others in the region found subsequently have proven those speculators correct more so than naysayers. Skepticism is necessary when trying to discern what is true and what is false. Overzealous skepticism though can and has been an impediment to discovering the truth, understanding fully the transition from the last ice age into the holocene and the condition of humanity prior to and throughout are examples.
I think it's understandable that people face some amount of ridicule if they speculate wildly. It's a sign of health that when Gobekli Tepe was finally found, it was understood and accepted as incredibly ancient. Surely that inspires confidence in the archaeological community? Archaeology usually only states with confidence that which it has evidence to state confidently.
@@Norralin It is never ok to ridicule an idea solely because it is speculative. To do so is to champion the principle of dogma. part of the reasoning behind adopting the scientific method was to abandon dogmatic thinking. Our current reality is inundated with truths that began their existence as someone's speculation. Speculative ideas are neither inherently true or false, It takes the discerning mind to come to those conclusions. You have to do the work. There is a difference between challenging an idea with reasoning and facts and dismissing it outright without even attempting to understand what is being argued.
@@tyrrellharvey I didn't say it was acceptable - I said I understood it. We're all just people and it's easy for us to smirk at things that seem to us outlandish.
Give us some examples of archaeologists scoffing at the possibility of a site....being possible. What kind of scientist scoffs that possibilities are impossible in principle? Names, or it didn't happen. Then tell us where Miano is simply "scoffing", without offering reasons why his evidence and reasons contradict Randall's claims.
I feel like the remains of sewers, subways, building foundations, etc would still be left, with some amount of evidence for the sheer infrastructure, like remains of dams, roads, cities also left
in fact they are, malta, indonesia, cuba... theres evidence of big portions of mid atlantic ridge being above water from 5 millions to 12k years ago, did anyone go there to say theres no artifact left?
The massive underground Acropoli that span the entirety of Egypt come to mind. They were definitely built before many of the Pyramids were placed on top of them. There are also massive Cenote ans cave systems in Central America, Peru, and the Western United States that the tribes of these regions themselves claim to have expored for tens of thousands of years.
nobody argued that at all. I think he gets lumped in with the sci-fi ancient egyptian types. I'm extremely wary of any and all woowoo talk and 90% of his arguments are pretty reasonable.
So, a civilization would only be classed as a "civilization", in your opinion, if said "civilization" was exactly like our own. Got it. Ever looked at Google Earth? Ever noticed the bright blue land sections (under water) that extend directly from dry land? Those areas were above water 12,000+ years ago. One such well known area is called "Doggerland", between England, Netherlands and Denmark. Fishing/trawling ships accidentally dragged up evidence of human settlements in their fishing nets, and that's how it was discovered. You state that if there were evidence of a previous civilization it would be found. #1 - We don't know what level of technology the previous civilization may have had. The only written indication we have is from Plato, who said that they were a seafaring people. That's it; that's as much as anyone can say. #2 - Being "seafaring" they would live near water, those areas that are now beneath 300-400 feet of water, such as Doggerland. It is difficult, at BEST, to perform archaeology under water. And because of that there's very little effort being made to do it and I don't blame them.
I have not seen anyone move 100 ton blocks like found in Valley temple in front of 12000 year old Sphinx . I'm just asking if there is anyone who can demonstrate how they were moved without modern equipment
I love listening to Randall and I also love listening to you. It would be fantastic to hear the pair of you having a civilised debate on the topic. PEACE
Why would a skilled jeweler debate some kid with a rock tumbler? After Randall gets an education, then he may be worthy to debate. Until then, it would be just like an experienced politician debating trump...a waste of time.
Left after 1000 years: Roman road beds. Possibly left from contemporary cultures after 10,000 years: The US interstate highway system consists of 1,000s of miles of roadbeds (not to mention about every city street, suburban roads or just about any paved road). Long seams of gravel bedding connected in interlocking networks/grids screams road network. Unless robbed/mined out by the next species' civilization the beds ought to survive; in fact such mining activity might actually provide the proof of our civilization (or be dismissed as the gift of the great deity). Glass bottles in landfills ought to last as baked clay tablets from Knossos, Pylos and Hattusa have. Other stuff in landfills might survive. I thinking silicon based computer chips. We have no data on how long these will survive on archeological timescales in soils since the "chip" age dates back only 60 years. The metals may have been dissolved and the plastic eaten by some bacterium but the chip substrate is silicon ... Gold jewelry and coins. Since ancient times people have been dropping such into wells and drains and placed in graves for present day archeologists to find. Chromium-Nickel "stainless steels" are a recent development; large items might survive a long time in a dry, anoxic environment. Other modern ceramics ought to do well in landfills as has ancient fired pottery (like the old clay tablets). Yes metals corrode but the elemental metal doesn't disappear. Future archeologists would need to ponder on the high concentrations of Cu, Fe, Al oxides in soils under where our cities now are.
@@gnubbiersh647 We have found artifacts from the time period Randall Carlson said these advanced civilizations should exist. How can stuff survive? I don’t have have them background to answer that, but it’s clear things did. Go to 4:25 of the video, I feel like it’s extremely relevant. Youre ignoring the fact we have found ancient artifacts to push this point of “It’s impossible for anything to surivive which is why we find nothing”. It’s also crazy cause you basically just admitted you believe there is no evidence to back up your belief, you literally just admitted there is no actual evidence supporting your claim.
@@gnubbiersh647 lol you’re still admitting they’ve found nothing to support your beliefs. And I never said they found everything, but If there was a huge city that got bulldozed we’d 100% find huge area with crazy high metal concentration in the soil. Could you point to where any of those are?
I have to think that 200 thousand years ago we may have only lived to 25 or 30 years old. Populations were sparse. Communities, government and education were family centered. And yet I can't help thinking we were just as intelligent and creative as we are now. Just my imagination running away.
Not imagination. 200,000 years ago, the AVERAGE age at death may well have been 30 years. In 1900 in the USA it was 42 years old - for example! But the average lifespan is very deceptive! In those days if you survived to see 10 years of age, then you would likely go on to live to 50 or even 60 years old. But the vast majority of children died very young, and this drags the average down very strongly. Modern humans have now been pushed back as far at 300,000 years ago - and so yeah - we have been smart and creative for that amount of time.
All the evidence we've found points to humans living for basically the same amount of time throughout history. More people died young, but those who lived to adulthood generally lived to be more than 60.
Firstly, as has been said, average lifespan is based on high child mortality and not the age people died as adults. Secondly, 200000 years ago, there was no such thing as 'communities, government and education'.
To add to the list of things that would remain, concrete seems well worth mentioning. There are vast numbers of concrete structures metres thick that would resist all but a direct nuclear strike. In drier climates erosion would be minimal but even elsewhere the idea that nothing would remain after ten thousand years is utter nonsense
Never mind all the concrete foundations out there, at times going quite deep. Who knows how long those might last, probably some preposterous amount of time.
Sorry, but no. Concrete is born to crack. Modern concrete does NOT have a long lifespan above ground, And in just 1,000 years from now, practically nothing made from concrete will still be standing. The steel rebar inside assures its own destruction. Only concrete foundations, and concrete piles deep underground will remain. Hoover Dam for example won't be identifiable as a dam in just a few tens of thousands of years from now. But investigation of the site would find plenty of evidence it was once there. Even concrete many metres thick, if it is above ground, will break down to nothing in 10,000 years. The freeze/thaw cycle ensures the fates of all concrete which is water permeable - as all modern concrete is. The strange irony is that in 10,000 years from now, the only surviving concrete is likely to have been poured by the Romans, before the birth of Christ.
It's funny to think that anything concrete buried or used to tunnel would disappear in a thousand years. 10,000 years? You mean, all the subway tunnels and all the gear underground not exposed to the elements would just .... what?... disappear? Then, he has to think that all the stuff that the Ancient Egyptians buried with their kings and queens was .... what? ... a hoax?
@@Chris.Davies Not all concrete that is poured in reinforced concrete I believe, reinforcement is expensive and not needed for all build tasks. Also concrete underground wouldn't suffer large cycles as the ground evens things out anyway. Beyond all that, like all things made out of silicates... like rocks. The ground keeping you confined and in shape kind of makes it inevitably that you could identify the foundation shape if you dug the area up again. After all, you can't migrate rock materials through rock or compacted soil, there's no where to go. Besides, far less sturdy things like mud bricks are regularly found to have lasted through 5000 years underground, so to think concrete underground wouldn't at the least match that seems kind of preposterous. But even if we took all your statements as 100% truth, then you'd still be left with the issue that many places still build things from bricks, stones, etc as well, including foundations. And we already know those can last extremely long and still look quite good. Our civilization didn't stop using old building materials after all, it just seems that not everyone is aware of this.
Carlson ignores the vast cemeteries that we have created. 10,000 years from now there will be many bodies showing we existed along with remains of the coffins such as metal handles.
Most copper cables are less than an inch in diameter... You've proven him right actually, at least in part. You can't think of corrosion in terms of starting on just one end of a wire. That's nonsensical.
@@WorldofAntiquity Many of them are insulated with multiple layers of plastics and rubbers that will likely last for tens of thousands of years. And there are millions of miles of cables both hanging above and buried below ground. Not only that, but the millions of miles of pipes buried deep underground as well. It's amazing what people choose to ignore in order to bolster their beliefs
Not only there will be lasting remains of our material civilization but also the environment scares we inflicted to earth . There will be records of pollution, radioactive anomalies in ice and rocks lasting a very long time . Even without a single artifact , archaeologists from the future would be able to guess some industrial civilization which enjoyed blowing atomic bombs and polluting air,soil and water existed in the past.
#1 You do not understand the type and magnitude of catastrophies that Randall is describing that is scientifically been proven to happen. Ex: Younger dryas Boundary Events and un godly flooding #2 He mentions that these Civilizations probably were very scientific (they were) but probably much different from our own. We need to stop thinking in our terms of what we think is advanced. #3 If you actually listened to him, you couldn't have possibly uploaded this video with a clean conscience. I respect your opinion however, this is the first video I have ever unliked on RU-vid. You're missing so much context to what he talks about. I highly recommend watching all of his Kosmographia and GeoCosmic Rex videos on RU-vid.
#1 I'm not clear what that has to do with the subject of the video. Carlson makes the case that our own civilization, without any catastrophe, would leave no trace after 10,000 years. #2 How does that relate to what I discuss in the video? #3 How does the context change the meaning of what he said?
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you for your response. #1 The title of your video is what I am referring to for starters. Randall on many occasions is talking about past Civilizations and why we don't find much. You're taking from what he said on one JRE podcast. I think you'd have to all of what he says on the subject to fully understand what he means. You point out that Randle contradicts himself with the the fact that things underground would be preserved for far longer. When you begin to understand the changes the earth we are on has been through and how catastrophic these impacts and floods were, you'll know why there isn't much found underground - because it has been completely removed and destroyed, and some cases like what geologist find the the pacific north west, hundreds of feet of rock and earth were completely removed and deposited miles elsewhere. Anything before these mega floods would be lost forever. #2 I mean, there's no other way to put it. You're downplaying our ancestors and how advanced they were in the video. There's enumerate examples that prove they knew and did a whole lot more then we and the scientific community would like to give them credit for. One example: The great pyramid of Giza! No body on earth has a clue despite what the model of explanation egyptolgist say. #3 Again, you're video has a narrative that there's no way there was an advanced civilization and there is no record of it. Would a record of our own civilization be found in 10000 years from now without a cataclysm? I don't know. However we do know with certainty that around 12000 years ago something so catastrophic happened that you have to go back 2 million or so years to find an event with comparable destruction. The difference this time was Homosapiens were here when this happened and we can see through the mythologies and their monuments that there is a whole nother story waiting to be told.
@@thomasspringfield *Randall on many occasions is talking about past Civilizations and why we don't find much. You're taking from what he said on one JRE podcast.* Are you saying he has changed his mind since the podcast? *I think you'd have to all of what he says on the subject to fully understand what he means.* His words are very clear. Don't just tell me that I may have missed something. If you know specifically how I misinterpreted him, say what it is. *You point out that Randle contradicts himself with the the fact that things underground would be preserved for far longer. When you begin to understand the changes the earth we are on has been through and how catastrophic these impacts and floods were, you'll know why there isn't much found underground - because it has been completely removed and destroyed, and some cases like what geologist find the the pacific north west, hundreds of feet of rock and earth were completely removed and deposited miles elsewhere. Anything before these mega floods would be lost forever.* Randall is VERY CLEAR that even without a catastrophe, he thinks almost nothing would be left. And please keep in mind that destruction is not the same as disappearance. *#2 I mean, there's no other way to put it. You're downplaying our ancestors and how advanced they were in the video.* I'm neither downplaying it nor upplaying it. My conclusions are based on the physical evidence. Your conclusions seem to be based on what isn't found. *There's enumerate examples that prove they knew and did a whole lot more then we and the scientific community would like to give them credit for.* No, there isn't. *One example: The great pyramid of Giza! No body on earth has a clue despite what the model of explanation egyptolgist say.* Not true. *#3 Again, you're video has a narrative that there's no way there was an advanced civilization and there is no record of it.* You're right that I say there is no record of it. But I never say there is no way. *Would a record of our own civilization be found in 10000 years from now without a cataclysm? I don't know.* The answer is yes. *However we do know with certainty that around 12000 years ago something so catastrophic happened that you have to go back 2 million or so years to find an event with comparable destruction.* With certainty? No. Maybe. But not with certainty.
Ive never heard of Randall Carlson, but I have heard the statement we wont leave much of a trace for future archeology. But not the part of previous advanced civilizations and leaving no trace.
Given that there is a proposal that we name a new geological age, the Anthropocene, denoted as the age in which humanity made lasting influence on the planet, it would seem like future scholars would identify our handiwork easily
@@KMFWR if the aliens were 100 million light years away then he would technically be right. Since light would have to take 100 million years to get to them.
@@KMFWR A worked gold ingot or coin would likely last that long. Oxidized iron veins running through concrete would show proof of buildings that far from now, even if the worked iron didn’t survive.
@@almitrahopkins1873 ok, let's wait the 10 MILLION years. Because, you know, we have comparative material that has done it. We find old gold coins rarely. Sorry boss, you're fucking high if you think 100 million...jmo
"Randall is Wrongall!" Your good spirited snark in relation to all of this is much appreciated. A multi-field study needs to be done on just why our age is so so impassioned by and thirsty for conspiracy theories. My hypothesis is that there are several cultural factors deeply unnourished in modern folks in so-called "1st World" countries. But the fanatical desire for meaning and a deep all-encompassing connection to the past is quite notable and should not be under-estimated. More ancient Historians, Anthropologists, and Archeologists should have higher profiles in the public sphere, imo.
Is it that surprising? "The science" lies a lot. We're told global warming will kill us all, despite the fact that it should have done so dozens of times by now, we're told it's anthropogenic, despite the fact that all regulations to stifle that only target western countries and ignore the world's biggest polluters, we're told that all races are the same, we're told that men and women are equally capable- and that's even if you can get them to define what a woman is, and we're told something is not lab-made and occurred naturally solely for the fact that it could "cause distrust in science". Wondering why people have taken to pseudoscience and conspiracy theories is a great question, but instead of asking yourself how people can be so gullible, maybe asking yourself what "the science" have done to be deemed so untrustworthy would be a better question.
I would love to see Curt Jaimungal from the Theory of Everything interview both Dr. Miano and Mr. Carlson on the subject and hear both sides supporting statements. I think that Curt Jaimungal has the intellectual capacity and fortitude along with his outstanding conversational abilities to maximize the interview and direct any debating so that many can put together what both are saying and take away what they want. It is always best to see both sides engage in civil well directed conversation.
Yes this youtube Dr. Should debate carlson because in this video he didn't really debunk any of carlsons hypothesis.....rather he took two clips and built a strawman arguement to debunk
I’m pretty agnostic about the whole “was there or wasn’t there” an ancient culture as Carlson describes. But I very much don’t appreciate yours and others sense of arrogant and rich condescending tone in regards to his claims. Let’s not forget just how often mainstream anything is proven flat out wrong.
Well that makes sense - as always! Have to say I quite like Randall, in that he's at least not the pushy guy saying 'I'm right, this is how it was (now buy my book)' - more like 'this is how it could have been'. He seems pretty reserved, though that could be an inevitable consequence of sitting next to Graham Hancock. He really lost me with the sacred geometry stuff, but the things he's done about the Younger Dryas/Carolina Bays/comet impact was most interesting. Though I suppose you're going to point me to a geomorphology debunking youtube channel now? 😄
sacred geometry confused you wow thats why your small minded on the subject lol human in the last 200 years have moved away from the spiritual side of life. i love how people shun it off then have a paranormal encounter and then gone quiet on the subject. you all are stupid to belive a word that comes from this small nobody woke nob
After watching your video on how to cut hard stones and how they would carve and work them it’s so cringe to see people claim that we still can’t even do it today. Where do people get this idea from? Do they not know that we use granite to make custom bathrooms kitchens and even buildings like city halls and government buildings? So glad you’ve opened my eyes man your doing the work needed to debunk so many oddly structured claims that I’ve now understood to be completely bullshit.
Carlson's arguments are honestly so insulting to anyone who studies Paleolithic and Early Neolithic archaeology. There is so much information you can gain from studying stone aged artifacts and their construction, from what type of methods were used to what was the purpose of their usage.
It is all obviously guesswork, but educated and informed guesswork. This planet is full of self important fools who think they know more than scientists and experts because they have watched a few youtube videos. I am not an archeologist, and am not trained in this field, and thus I tend to trust the people who understand a fuckton more than I do about the subject.
So many artifacts made of natural elements are left from 10,000 years ago, I think all the chemical stuff we make in the modern age will have no problem to survive the test of time.
I think a lot of people took the show "Life After People" way too seriously. It's another one of those History Channel shows that spread like wildfire through the public's understanding of science & especially on how objects deteriorate. It also hurts our environment to try & make it seem like our junk will just magically disappear, instead of the truth that everything we buy will have an impact for sometimes way longer than we can fathom.
@@julietfischer5056 I'm always reminded of Oklo, where scientists have evidence that natural Uranium deposits were concentrated enough that nuclear fission spontaneously occurred 1.7 billion years ago.
did climate, vulcanism, asteroid and comet impacts, etc important factors in the locales of society evolution? Yes. Did these wipe out "advanced" civilizations? Nope. our modern society would not "disappear" without a trace even if an event like the asteroid like that which impacted at Chicxulub occurred. Societal structures would certainly change but the base knowledge would not.
There are plenty of civilisations that disappeared without leaving more than piles of rubble. None of them alien, just humans. Knowledge often manages to pass on for millenia, but not the knowledge of who figured things out. We now found clay tablets using Pythagoras for land plot size calculations a thousand years before Pythagoras lived. But humans always leave piles of rubble and refuse that will survive for eons. We found those tablets, but many stories have not survived.
If the earth will completely consume all metals in less than 10,000 years, doesn’t that imply that Randall Carlsen must believe that all metal mined out of the earth was created less than 10,000 years ago?
When I was pouring the foundation for my house. I threw in brass bullet casings, pop cans and other stuff into the cement mix. My 10 years old son asked me why. I responded by saying, "for future archeologists!" lol
The thing with debates is there needs to be an honest difference of opinion or of interpretation of facts and a sincere desire to arrive closer to the truth. If one person just doesn't know or understand the facts, or simply dismisses them when they're inconvenient, then it's not a useful debate, it's a popularity contest or worse.
I think you know what you are doing focusing on singular parts of an opposing viewpoint. He might be right and might be wrong in places. But your history channel obtained views because of the interest in such subjects he has awakened in people. I’m a fan of yours and a fan of his.
Randell has never written a book, or given lectures about "lost civilisations". He gives lectures on geology and the younger dryas impact hypothesis. As well as geometry. Of all the complete idiots out that talk utter nonsense...i feel WOA got it wrong this time.....peace to ya.
@@dazuk1969 Carlson goes to lost civilization conferences all the time and appears as a guest on many lost civilization channels. He has shared the stage with Graham Hancock and other like him and does a LOT to bolster and support the lost civilization narrative.
I haven’t seen anyone raise the issue of the sources of the materials that these supposed ancient civilizations were built out of. If they were large, globe-crossing, advanced civilizations, they would require considerable infrastructure, which would require considerable materials mined or otherwise extracted from the earth. As the materials are almost always mined from the most accessible to the least accessible, all or most of the easily accessible mineral and fuel resources should have been gone when we needed to use them for our own civilization building, but they were not. In addition, the considerable mining efforts required to extract them would be unmistakable. Yet, there is no sign of such efforts. Where did the needed materials come from? We see the unmistakable mining efforts of humans from 10,000 years ago and more recently, but those early efforts are limited and did not remove a lot of resources. It is tempting therefor, to conclude that we don’t find such extraction because none occurred, because there was no such civilization to do the extracting. My thoughts, anyway.
Yes. It is that glaring "absence" you allude to which undercuts the entire "alternative" schtick. They assume a supposed civilization for which nary a pottery shard exists to show proof of concept = while everything which follows is simply more assumptions built upon the original one. It therefore becomes emblematic of classic _"argumentum ad ignorantiam"_ - and accordingly Occam's Razor applies. So what "mainstream" academia offers being supported by credible evidence which is further subject to peer-review consensus requiring far less assumptions to rationalize = wins. Enjoy your day.
Metal doesn't disintegrate as much as Randall might claim. But my question to you is, how were all the precision cuts made in most of the ancient stone buildings? Why don't we find those large tools today if we are able to find cannon balls? Or were the cuts made using stone alone?
Google it. It is not difficult if you know how to manipulate the properties of different media. People have noted very early on for example that weathering like drastic temperature changes can crack stone very efficiently along very straight lines, for instance. Now employ that knowledge with wedging techniques to help the cracks along, and there you have it..... nice clean breaks that resemble "advance" tool use. The above is not the only method that can be used to achieve awesome precision but let me not interrupt your education. Go ahead, you have time, and the entirety of the accumulated knowledge on the internet to wade through to find what you're looking for. You may even find a RU-vid movie demonstrating the above technique.
@@JacquesMare how about all the precision circular cuts? Can weathering explain that? And how were they able to move blocks that weighed hundreds of tonnes?
@@mrheck5311 Im going to answer you with a quote: "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I'll move the world." Look it up. You'll be surprised at how old this quote, and by extension, this technology is. Also, it may be startling for to you to learn that that is not the only ancient technology that could achieve the same. Again, please..... please take the time and read what the educated people have to say about this. Another thing, if I'm not mistaken, theres a RU-vid video of a guy who moved very large stone blocks all on his own using very primitive techniques. It is fantastic what ancient people achieved applying very basic construction and engineering principles.
All of the minerals being dug up, the tailings of the mines, and the deposits of our landfills would be very obvious. The carbon record will also be evident in ice cores
Well nice debunk attempt but you’re completely ignoring the fact that the younger dryas period coincided with the most significant mortality events that the planet has experienced in a few million years. The story most certainly involves multiple gigantic cometary fragments which have induced unfathomable destruction, most likely coming from the Taurid meteor stream for which there are some pretty interesting links in the world‘s mythologies by the way. If you don’t know about the younger dryas impact hypothesis which is virtually proven at this point (Hiawatha crater, Syria etc) then I‘d recommend you do the homework on it. Then you might be able to understand the scale of destruction that these events obviously could have caused for planet earth and human cultures at the time. You seem to be underestimating Randall Carlson‘s qualities as a scholar and the depth of his research, possibly because he does not belong to the category of an established academic. You need to do your homework on his thoughts, because listening to one podcast of his will not be enough to contextualize his thoughts properly. Hope you’re openminded enough for that.
Yes, I am very familiar with the impact hypothesis, but please keep in mind that Randall Carlson made a claim about whether evidence of our civilization today would be there in 10,000 years. That has nothing to do with a comet impact. His assertions had to do with natural corrosion. That is what this video is about. In regard to a proposed past civilization, surely you don't think fragments of a comet could selectively destroy only the best, strongest, most advanced material and preserve the rudimentary stone age remains. Do you? Would it preserve the remains of humans who lived a primitive lifestyle and completely eradicate the remains of humans who lived in an advanced society?
@@HardHardMaster He clearly used the History Channel show as "evidence", and sourced many of his comments from what he thought he remembered from that show.
Regardless of whether anything is left on Earth… there's still all the stuff orbiting the planet… plus the tech we left on the Moon, Venus and Mars… so someone will know we were here.
Plus there is A TON of shit on earth too. Surely it can't all be eroded away. Keep in mind we have ridiculous amounts of DINOSAUR bones which are 65M years old. Im sure the remains of 7 billion people wouldn't be completely lost.
In fact, in tens of millions of years from now it will still be very easy to find human works: foundations of buildings, mines, and other artifacts of ours. Our ceramics will last indefinitely, for example. Some of our best stainless steels will last for tens of thousands of years - it is stain-less steel, not stain-free steel! Our glass will last basically forever, and so will our gold jewelry. Our Nuclear storage facilities will last for hundreds of thousands of years. It seems certain the Great Pyramid will still be recognisable as a structure for at least a hundred thousand of years, due to the extremely low erosion rates on the plateau, and our hardware on the moon, and in space will last for tens of millions of years - and perhaps even hundreds of millions of years. Maybe even billions in the right location. Plus, geologists would recognise the Anthropocene period very clearly by the levels of plastic decay byproducts and odd radio-decay byproducts - in the layers of our time. Recently I made a list of the items in just my garage that would last for 1,000 years, 10,000 years, 100,000 years, 1,000,000 years and 10 million years. There's not much left after 10 million years except the fired clay ashtray I made aged 7, the shattered remains of the concrete floor, and walls, some plate glass, and some small gold parts inside a collection of old phones. So, people who think human traces couldn't be found even over geological time periods are quite ignorant of materials science, and how long things can last when buried.
I’m just gonna debunk your first claim. 10 million years we will see human foundations, buildings and mines??? So you assume no tectonic plate movements, earthquakes or any natural disaster (or comet) would still keep our tech and buildings? Completely idiotic statement
@@kklh7918 Continental drift is about 2.5 centimeters per year. Over 10 million years that is a little over 155 miles of continental drift. So no, it would not remove all traces of humanity.
@@swirvinbirds1971 why are you assuming this all to be natural? Jesus you’re as close minded as the person you’re trying to ‘debunk’, you’re using the uniformitarian model that Randall is so clearly trying to put pressure on. Assuming that everything is a product of natural processes over a long period of time. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Even I’m not saying Randall is correct but I think his claims aren’t as nonsensical as you’re making him about to be. You’re making out as if he’s some charlatan spewing quackery. And no, the claim wasn’t that ALL evidence would be erased. It’s that enough of it would be erased and adding in gradual (uniformitarian school of thought here) erosion over time due to elements is crazy. You’re attacking his examples with one topic despite it being a multi faceted issue. It should be clear to any knowledgeable person that humans tend to build on previous settlements, hence the casing stones to the pyramid used to build Cairo and mosques. You are basing your arguments on assumptions that if you just spoke with less ego and with more education you would know the answer to. There were even earthquakes that happened of the coast of Japan which created crazy continental shifts before. Just because it’s never happened doesn’t mean it impossible, that’s not an argument for the lost civilisation, that’s an argument to be rational about the evidence you have to be looking for. The claim for a lost civilisation is an extraordinary one and they require extraordinary claims. Randall has more than enough content on RU-vid that makes his claims more than viable to overturn or at the very least question the mainstream narrative
@@kklh7918 So it's artificial? Well that just silly now. I am in no way using the uniformitarian model. Not 1 single comment is based on the uniformitarian model guy. Are you upset your debunking was debunked or something? Your argument at this point makes 0 sense. Randa IS a charlatan... Sorry. He is selling you his lectures and books. 'the mainstream narrative'... Code word for I don't need to prove anything.
My take out of this video was the article about maximum corrosion rate. Thanks for that. Randall Carlsson theory about a cataclysmic event would surely break things up a bit and make our civilization harder to find. Surely if most of our trace is crushed and flushed out into the oceans.
I'd like to put forth that we've been finding hundreds of sites from the pleistocene era in canada over the past half-century. Until this decade there has been a trend of destroying the sites and not reporting them so as to be able to continue construction. This is well documented. It is well documented that thousands of these artifacts have been destroyed and flushed into the ocean.
@@crazyalarmstudios2012 we have cave paintings from 36,000 years ago, depicting bison, however there is no evidence of 'bullshit' i.e. advanced technology
@@crazyalarmstudios2012 fair. There is a difference between geological and archaeological of course. They aren't necessarily exclusive, but they also aren't necessarily paired either. What might be overnight in geological terms isn't the same as overnight in archaeological terms.
@@crazyalarmstudios2012 🏞".... Egyptian hieroglyphs are full of mind-bending imagery...."🎉 compaired to the Maya hieroglyphs, the Egyptian are pretty boring. It is a rather stiff and un-creative style. Between the 4th Dynasty and Cleopatra they still looked the same And the items depicted can all be related to objects present in daily life.
I like what you are doing here, still i hope you would steer away from calling people in a mockery way like student and stuff. I know you are frustrated at him but i’m sure you can do that. Also, you should be on JRE show demonstrating your point. He has host semi debates on this before, he seems open minded enough
As it has been pointed out in other videos/articles, there will also be the genetic evidence left by an Industrialized civilization that expanded the world. It would had impacted all continents with specifics plants/animals/viruses distributed across the planet for which we would find evidence to be related just a few thousands years ago.
I think you make great points for the durability of our current civilization. It would certainly be detectable for thousands of years after. However, I think this still leaves room for a civilization that may have been built in a more harmonious way with the landscape, say from local stone. If stone structures were subject to catastrophic floods, as Carlson suggests, little would be preserved. If these floods carved valleys and canyons then they would certainly wipe out stone structures.
@@islandbuoy4 carlson never claimed they had anything close to modern tech, but medieval level at most, or rather roman-empire level. and those cave painting are far and few between, while Atlantis was described (by carlson, not so by plato though) as a one of a kind, a pocket of progress... so people whoi advanced further due to a much warmer climate. no "BS" needed anyway
I’ve been working my way through your catalog this past week, and while I’ve enjoyed all of them this one holds a special place for me as it’s the one that overlaps with my field, material chemistry, what suprises me about this myth is that many of the people who are perfectly aware of how long plastics take to degrade in dumps. In addition to you’re examples I’d include silicon electronics and aluminum materials as things that would be easy to find 1000s of years from now. While both materials oxidize they form very stable oxides so sizable fractions of them made today would survive. I can suggest many other materials that you didn’t mention but none of those are so insanely widely found in our civilization.
There is a hundred percent chance that even on geological timescales there will be evidence of our culture. If the sediments of the oceans form new rock one day there will be a tiny layer that will stand out, bright like a light tower.
There's actually plenty of archeological evidence for advanced ancient civilisations. Perhaps not as advanced as Randall Carlson might like but advanced nevertheless.
I'm sure that there were at least a few "cities" that arose before settlements like Ur that are much older and have since been submergeded since the sea level rises 12,000 years ago.
Settlements might be the word, civilizations didn’t come up in the archeological record until mesopotimia. Look up what constitutes a civilization vs a settlement
It's so ridiculous to assume that disasters would wipe the record, when we still live through cataclysmic events to this day. Did the 2004 tsunami wipe clean the records of the areas it hit? Do we no longer have records of New Orleans from before 2005? Or San Fransisco before 1906? Sure some things are lost but we still survive after, we rebuild or try to.
Carlson is talking about cataclysmic events. Meteors, the rapid melting of the ice cap with torrential ice flows and the sea levels rising around 100 ft. He also accounts for the possibility of most peoples living on or near the coastlines of their areas. So when the sea level rose 100 ft most coastal settlements would be 100ft underwater.
My info is a bit rusty on the Golden Gate Bridge, but its probably the worst example he could have used of how much maintenance our infrastructure needs (or the best example for his purposes). The reason the Golden Gate is such a marvel of engineering is because of how difficult it was to build in the first place. The bridge stretched the limit of engineering at the time, so naturally its more of a house of cards to keep intact. The Golden Gate would definitely fall apart a few years after we disappear, but the many bridges built after it with more stable and durable techniques would last longer.
You know Carlson has hundreds of hours of lectures? You're going to stick to one JRE episode where he had 2.5 hours to compress everything he knows? You should do more research on your sources. I'm sure he has explanations for all of your doubts. I bet he'd wipe the floor with you in a debate.
@@MrAchile13 ... Unless those lectures proceed to explain why he said those things. His views are far more nuanced than that. Give this fountain of knowledge a chance and you will learn a lot.
@@bovinejonie3745 Perhaps you could help me understand, because I don't follow your logic: He made a scientifically false claim, yet you insist that surely there must be an explanation. 1) what explanation can turn a scientifically false claim into a true one? 2) unless you can cite exactly what argument would "support" his false claim and somehow turn it around, why would anyone assume such an explanation exists in his lectures? Isn't this an unsubstantiated belief? How is this different then someone arguing that the earth is 6000 years old, but defending them by saying that they have hundreds of lectures and they are really smart, there surely is an explanation for their claim.
@@MrAchile13 It's pretty simple. The more you hear of him, the more sense he makes. But that doesn't have any relation to the validity of his claims though.
@@MrAchile13 @MrAchile13 Predicting something's age is waaaay different than discussing the corrosive properties of artificial materials after 10000 years and countless catastrophes, explosions, upheaval, collisions, burning, flooding and who the hell knows what else! Maybe a CME cooked and radiated it all out of existence or radiated it into accelerated corrosive states. Perhaps massive tidal waves washed it into the ocean. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't make it impossible. Haven't you ever walked into a conversation or middle of a movie and realize you have no idea, and couldn't possibly guess, what's happening or being discussed? Our brains are excessively flawed.
That guy on Rogan sure sounded like he relied on the History Channel for his source of info. As for the haters on your previous video. A 1000 more fools are being born every day.
Rogan outside of his fields (hunting,fighting,comedy,media) is a dummy. He platforms way too many pseudo intellectuals that pollute the ether with poor reasoning. Can't watch anymore. Used to enjoy watching his show years ago when he had on guests like Bourdain, Sean Carroll, etc
Did you get so interested that you have taken the next logical step and joined an excavation? I don't know where you live but I would hope that you have like minded folk near enough to you who run such things
I think some folks like Randall because he looks/talks like an out-of-season Santa Claus. An old, grey bearded, pot bellied, elf with twinkles in his beady eyes. He has the ability, with his easy, patriarchal demeanor, to lull the bored and easily tricked, into embarking on a fantastic journey of wonder. He introduces a landscape of possibility heretofore only spoken of in ancient occult texts or science fiction novels. He plays the part of underdog, hero, independent researcher who has wrenched the truth from the greedy clutches of the hiders of the true history of mankind. He gives himself, and any one who follows his intuitive truthfulness, permission to consider themselves wiser and infinitely more perceptive than the mass of mainstream academia-believing domesticated, wool producing, grazing mammals, that merely follow and believe anything " experts ", or " scientists ", or ( especially ) " archaeologists " ( who are not real scientists.... the kind without quotation marks ), who are closed minded, and won't consider new and unorthodox ideas or hypotheses. The kind that will dismiss any proposal that doesn't fit with the rigid standard model and might turn the common narrative on it's head or throw a monkey wrench into the pet theories of top academic brass. Poor, rich old dude...10,000 years from now, someone will unearth some recordings of his podcasts and say...." I glad they didn't use laugh tracks in the sit-coms of that era."
