What's an Illegal Formation? 

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I had to run it back to the beginning several times to find where he said that.........

And 4 in the backfield

When did he say that?

Great freakin analysis. But do you see 4 in the backfield?

I played and shit confused me💀

only the player on the line at the end of the LOS with an eligible number may go down for a pass. its pretty simple

only watched first three examples and 1st and 3rd are illegal formations not enough men on LOS tackles are too far off LOS

WOW

You watched 30 years and never ever bothered to even ask some of your friends, or someone else who watches football. Man, that´s some next level ignorance.

That’s funny. And clever. Hope the OC had more than a trick formation tho.

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I remember that….they played 2 QBs at the same time on almost every play.

@@gavinperkins3200 WTF? 😆

The rules were added over time.

it’s kind of complicated but if you watch like 4 or 5 games you’ll have a pretty good understanding.

@@yoursleepparalysisdemon1828 NFL only gets MORE complicated , when you ONLY try to get way to FANCY , with your play calling ! This brings up these types of flags & ALSO brings up wasted time outs OR delay of the game flags ! Your not only facing a defense , but also a timer & the REFS mood for the day ? That , with some other dumb as@ play calling choices is what makes the game [ COMPILACTED ] ? The Fancy , Nancy play calls !

So funny I was thinking the same thing! There are so many rules in foot ball it’s crazy! My uncle lives in Netherlands and loves football too

Someone who’s never played football is learning a lot from a channel that does general football explanations? A miracle 🙏

@@MrMitchbow i find ur sour cynicism thinly veiled as humor really sad, mostly bc i can relate to where ur coming from, but it's no fun. You're dissapointed about something, otherwise someone learning something wouldn't b a cause to throw the haterade. i wish u happy healings my dude, truely i do

@@samuelclayton08 cynicism? Homie that was sarcasm. I think you’re projecting your sadness on me. I was making a joke lol not hating on the guy.

@@MrMitchbow projection is (almost) all we do, esp. on YT comment sections, but beyond that, I'm saying ur joke wasnt really a joke, it was kinda just a mean thing to say to put down both this video & someone learning. And that leads me to strongly suspect ur coming from a sad place. or ur just a dick. or both. don't care either way, but if u are sad i hope u find happiness (if u want it)

I think it's more of a Southern dating practice.

No dating YOUR sister

I think last week was the first game we haven’t had one man!! I thought for sure the toss back throw to Hollywood was coming back due to that

@@cjwelch4275 For real!! I couldn't believe it wasn't! 😂

@11:35

Out of all the cheating out of the patriots organization this is the one that bothers me and the reason being is you have to play the games even if your video taping. I think the pats went against the spirit of the game in every sense because they couldn’t beat a superior team that year and decided to pull some tricky substitution which has been outlawed now

I swear the Ravens have at least one or two illegal formation penalties called against them almost every game.

@Mickey Merzon the defensive line is basically 'the line of scrimmage '

Soccer is such a straight forward game. Off sides is the only kind of complex thing to explain. The other is that it just cannot get popular in the USA.

@Mickey Merzon pretty sure it's just the guy trying to score can't go past the other teams defensive guy(s) before he has the ball or something. Similar to offsides in hockey, it's too prevent "cherry picking" or having 1 guy stand by the opponents net and have someone get him the ball and score easily.

Yup. I hope tempo and teams that shift/motion made life tough on ya

We had one team that used a standard huddle. When they broke from the huddle, the center and 2 guards jumped out and sprinted to the line and got in their ready position. The rest of the players were still in the huddle formation. Then the wide-outs would sprint to their positions. Then the tackles and ends would sprint to their positions. The backfield would get to their positions and drop to their ready stance, and finally the QB would sprint up to the center, get under and the ball was immediately snapped. I had all kinds of motion and stop issues, but the team had been doing it for 25 years, and nothing in the process fooled the opponents. I talked to our state head-of-officials, and he said about the same - that's how they do it, let it go. BUT, he said, if they do something different and there's even a whisker of a chance they weren't set or on/off the line, flag them. The motion/shift things were pretty easy, since we had the end position already defined (number, on/off the line) and high school rules were a lot more rigid (or were enforced more rigidly). Motion guys couldn't move toward the line before the snap, double motion guys had to be really set, and 99% of the time, shifts onto/off the line only required getting set, as most high school teams weren't that sophisticated (which did make my life easier!). The only time my crew had a real illegal formation problem was one coach who threw a new formation into the game in the middle of the 3rd quarter, with 5 players in the backfield. Two flags went up, we walked off the 5 yards, and the coach called the same play, other side. Two flags up, coach was going appoplectic on the sideline. I could see something wasn't working right, took my time-out, went to him and told him 7 on the line, not 6, and he was still foaming at the mouth. I went back, he ran the same formation again. I wound up ejecting him from the game, only coach I threw out in 20 years. Found out later he was new, and had some basics of the game he needed to learn.

I was expecting some coverage of bizarre formations, like Bengal split or swinging gate

As an official, I'll tell you we saw our fair share of "swinging gate" and "fire drill" plays, and we'd do the look and count process I outlined above, and if anything smelled funky, the flag came out and we figured it out afterward. At our yearly rules meeting, every year, our head of officials would go through the process of explaining that the offense has an incredible, incredible advantage - they know when the ball is going to be snapped, who it's going to, where that person is heading for, who is blocking who, what misdirection is happening - and the defense doesn't know any of this. The defensive counter to this is that the defense doesn't have to set till the ball is snapped - they can run lots of stunts, fakes, re-alignments, and formations, all in motion, right up till the ball is snapped. The rules are there to maintain the balance between the advantage of the offense versus the fluidity of the defense. When we saw the trick plays, we (in seconds) sussed out what was happening, who gained an unfair advantage (if any), and allowed or penalized based on the underlying premise of the rules - snap the ball, run a play, try to reach the line-to-gain, all without finding a hole in the rules that could be used to make the balance unfair. I officiated a game where I saw a linebacker, on a field goal try, jump on the back of his defensive lineman ant leap to try to block the try. I saw it. I mentally ran through the rule book and case book (long since memorized), and I couldn't see anything that talked about this situation. I didn't through the flag. It was the last play of the first half, and I got an ear-full from the offensive coach (he was winning 48-0), as we went to the break. I grabbed my books, looked at areas I thought might be applicable (specific rules about the ball carrier hurdling a tackler, etc.), and found nothing. Talked to my head of officials the next day, and we both came up empty. The next year, when the rules came out, I found a rule change and a specific case addressing the play (from my game), and the NEW rule outlawing this action. The illegal formation (trick play) you're talking about doesn't come up very often because it's difficult to do, and it flies in the face of the reason for the rules - the balance between offense and defence.

Good idea for a vid.

JT will explain better but if you're always in shotgun, the defence is always in front of you. Under centre, if you're doing a play action, you turn your back from the defense and for a second you cannot see the defence. You have to get used to this. Also there's things like handoff footwork, selling the PA, ball exchange at the snap, etc that the QB just have to get used to.

@@4011Harry the real question to me is, what advantage is there to ever being under center. The only time I can really think is on very short yardage/ qb sneak situations. Otherwise shotgun seems outright superior. I guess there is a bit more risk of mishandled snaps but that is not necessarily clear cut. There are plently of under center fumbles and legs getting tangled up situations. I dont get the issue of why a QB even NEEDS to be under center.

@@davidrafferty2491 Not that you can't run the football out of the shotgun formation but the hand off is further back and the running back might get the ball with less forward momentum. If you can only throw the ball out of the shotgun formation then you become predictable and will not be able to effectively run the ball.

@@ungivenfame1 I don't think any of that is true. I think there are alot of myths about running out of shotgun. It allows rpo's which can gain you a blocking advantage at the point of attack. Plus if you have an athlete at qb you now just have an outright blocking advantage if he is the ball carrier.

Especially if you’re a roll tide player 😎

Come on be respectful, they draw the line at dating their cousin!

@@wyomingptt not often but it does happen that they stop at cousins.

If you believe this guy's explanation, you STILL don't know the difference between a legal and illegal formation.

or 12 on the field......

i would argue that it’s a very simple rule - you have to have 7 people on the line of scrimmage, you can have more but only the guys on the outside are allowed eligible (in the nfl) - but strategies and playcalls attempt to push those rules to their absolute limits to confuse the heck out of defenses. sometimes, it works so well, that their own players get confused. this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like teams with lousy coaches or offenses get called for penalties like that way more often

It's really not that difficult and penalties for it definitely don't happen every game. More like one per round in the NFL. It's usually a receiver who lines up wrong and it's his fault.

They use specific route concepts, blocking schemes, coverages, and blitzes that give them the most success against the opposition. So a play can look similar to something you've seen before but the all the movement of the players is unique to the situation. This is how coaches tailor the base set to fit their roster and situation.

Stomping Peak i appreciate you !

@@stompingpeak2043 football is like a complex chess match. I love it. Good offenses can show you the same look on multiple plays. The route concepts will all be a little different but ran out of the same formation. Usually have plays that beat man/zone/certain defensive fronts/ press/ 2 deep/ 1 deep...and all of that depends on what kind of players you have and their strengths/weakness. With the infusion of the spread/college offenses over the last decade or so its been really fun seeing how it works against nfl defenses

@@d8l835 yeah that's pretty much exactly what I said lol

@@stompingpeak2043 lol i wasnt disagreeing with you. Not every reply to a comment is meant to start a fight haha

And I forgot but to make it even more difficult on the Raven’s defense Brady actually faked a throw to Vereen on one of the plays.

You got special skills.

I think can explain that, maybe I can do a video and post it as well. Ignoring the substitution rules, in college and the pros the motion rules are the same unless they have changed recently. The offense can line up and shift and move around all that you want to, usually behind the line of scrimmage as long as you once you are done you do not snap the ball for 1 second. Usually this movement is horizontal to the line of scrimmage or backwards because moving forward will trigger a false start of the play. Now once everything is set one person can move forward up to the line of scrimmage and or horizontally and remain in motion while the ball is snapped. If you break these rules then the shift is illegal. Usually this means that more than one person was in motion at the time of the snap, or the Center didnt wait one second to snap the ball.

Nice. Appreciate the support.

Super intellectual

What do you mean

What does everybodyMean

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on LOS or off. most WRs will communicate with line judge pre snap.

If I did about NFL you’re right. College/HS they’re eligible.

We use a pre-snap checklist we go through in our heads and each official has there own “key”

you will now. You can't unlearn this stuff. Guessing if you watch CFB you'll see it immediately for the covered up guys

GM School?

I think the patriots rule makes this illegal in league. Good question.

You're welcome

Most college QB,'s are runners.