I hope the ten does come back but im gonna say this they made an artificial scarcity in shoes which kinda came back to bite them because now people are only looking for this limited factor. For them to bring them back shows that they hear us the fans asking them for this and i love it thanks nike
It’s a tricky one as the limited stuff builds the brand desirability and trickles down - if they don’t have limited stuff selling out and reselling that desirability factor wears off
@@sneakernomics5547sure but having most desirable shoes as limited also made them lose lots of people that were already on the verge with all their different bs. Me for example, the last Jordan I bought were the Reimagined Bred 4s, and the next will probably will probably be Bred 1s, Black Cements 3s and White Cements 4s... In the meantime I probably bought a dozen of NBs ... and now I mainly prioritize getting more of that brand with all the different cool models and collabs that I missed out rather than coming back and putting my money Nike (I already have more than enough of them !) And I feel like a lot of people are actually in the same boat as me 🤷
@@sneakernomics5547 hey I feel that 🙏🏾 but I just want at least 1 pair for retail 😭 and yes I want them to keep things limited as well just not everything in a sense I feel as if there's alot of limited shoes that don't deserve that limited title
@@sneakernomics5547 Nike can survive irregardless limited or not limited, the corporation will create another legendary limited shoes or new format down the road for sure. This is part of a cycle, but a new one.
Re-issuing and/or mass producing grails can pretty much kill both the resell and the replica markets, two of the main threats for Nike’s interests. They are willing to sacrifice part of their legacy by removing scarcity out of the table, in exchange of securing immediate revenue to turn those numbers up the charts.
Amazing take. i think your right. Just an update for everyone Nike doesn’t care about how you think, feel or what shoes you have in your “collection” If Nike can take your money and not other manufacturers then they will make the product and sell it, personally I think it is great. If you like a pair of shoes you should be able to buy them from the company that makes them
@@carlosortiz4055Grails are purely opinion based. I think the best way to define a grail is a shoe that you are drawn to by its brand, looks, story, and of course its rarity. Rarity is a nice thing but, it shouldn't the only thing.
This is why I like the reimagined shoes. Allows some of us who started collecting later a chance at copping retail but has differences that are easy to see so the originals retain their value.
I like the idea of re-issuing off-white collection and other grails again so the younger heads get to cop and wear them. The original pairs have production dates to retain their value if collectors care for them.
I don’t really mind, hell, i even like it when they redo some of those grails that are otherwise unobtainable. Just change a detail so the originals are still rare (think the tongue of the HUF AM1 or the Bacon AM90). And when it comes to “having something someone else doesn’t have”, that’s a matter of perspective. Stuff that sneakerheads see as “common” are unusual to the general public and what sneakerheads see as grails are maybe common to people who only collect PEs and Samples.
No one is going to be affected negatively by them releasing these rare sample shoes other than resellers and rep makers. Some consumers will finally get their hands on shoes they’ve wanted and Nike gets to make more money off of a old design.
Next thing they will do is retro dunk sb collabs from the pink box era. Tiffany lows anyone? Alot of those shoes are starting to fall apart, like the swoosh on the Tiffany's on the lows.
Love it because of very simple reason, I am a late sneakerhead. Those are the dream shoes and we will definitely be happy if they come back. Just like OGs, they retro OGs every few years and it just doesn’t matter, because they are classic and people will never get tired of these.
They should act like other collectibles such as cards, first editions and secondary runs, the rerelease being stated at a second edition, this would still drive the original pairs price up but mean more people get to own a pair
i think it's fair for collabs like off-white/nike, jfg/new balance to stay limited as they are since there were plenty of pairs available on release, but for collabs like these where there's like 30 pairs ever made, It's cool to see them available for wider audience instead of a couple of extremely rich collectors.
This is also my take on it, F&F pairs and releases with 36 units like the Wutang’s are not public releases, these are the ones which should be pushed into production for a wider release
Please release the Wu-Tang & the 4s in massive GR numbers. I don't care about them being rare I want a pair cause I like the Creps. Sorry I don't care about collectors feelings, it's compete bullshit that there that much money anyway. I'm 51 I was there when Wu-Tang dropped I'd buy them in a heart beat. I want to see them on shelves in JD if possible. I only liked crep collectors when it was underground, now they all seem to be worried about the resale. Not all of them but alot of them. I was gunna buy some Pollen but if I can get the WuTangs it's a no brainer. I hate the way HIP HOP Culture has been split up & bits of it turned into money making schemes for ppl that don't understand it & don't really care about it. It's my life & I'm passionate about it. Infact I think Nike should give first chance to ppl over 48 to get them, only joking but yeah GR these joints! 💯
The rare is still rare tho… With the Wu Tangs… still only 36 pairs from 1999. Even if they makes millions of retros in 2024, the 36 from are still 1 of 36…. If you think that devalues the 99 model, or makes it less exclusive, than the whole “shoe collecting” market collapses when you realize that theyre not that different anyway. $100k Paris SB’s and $100 general release 2024 SB’s… well theyre just SB’s right? But, a copy is not an original. Look at Paintings… you can buy a copy of a Picasso in the museum gift shop, but its not worth anything compaired to the original.
The fake scarcity came back to bite them and I love it. The only reason people complain about the reissuing of the collabs is because they are clouded about the recent market value nonsense. Why do the collabs need to be one and done? Thats the reason the market has become what it is, because people think only the collabs are important .
piggy backing off your pro of replacing an older pair for the one few lucky ones. Those few could potentially actually wear if they wont wear those OGs . In my opinion I think its a good idea but keep them limited. Its gives some of the younger kids a chance to obtain a sneakers they could only dream of having. OGs will always be OGs. You still see 85 AJ1s selling for thousands even thought we have gotten plenty of releases of them .
im happy to see them retro some old pairs pre 2005 since finding a wearable pair is almost impossible take the jedi sb's for example, my favorite sb of all time, owned them a decade ago and recently picked them up again but had to settle for one that had a sole swap and no original laces, knowing that there is a chance they come out again in the future means you are more likely to wear the rarer pairs
They need to rerelease in full size runs the following sneakers. Undefeated x Air Jordan 4 Nike SB Dunk Low “Paris” OVO x Air Jordan 10 Nike Dunk SB Low “Pigeon” Nike SB Dunk Low “Yellow Lobster” Nike Mag 2016 Auto-Lace
I’m for it. It only really hurts resellers, rep manufactures, and collectors who paid the high. If you weren’t into sneakers at a specific time you can only look at them at shops is wack. Double up when you can and stop paying resellers crazy money.
While I agree on your take about the colab pairs I think we should remember while yea the WU Tang Dunks and the 4’s were “colabs” they were more so just either friends and family or just bearly a little more so the idea of actually having a release of these ultra limited pairs is a great way to give the everyday masses a chance to cop these pairs that were otherwise outta reach!!!!
A re-release really doesn’t matter. What matters is how the public receives it. The 2020 Kobe 6 Grinches are still going for top dollar and the Jordan 11 Bred, Jordan 5 and Jordan 3. As long as they’re in OG form or really close to it they will sell out.
It's kind of ironic with the undefeated AJ4's, as there have been pairs going around on the rep scene since last year, which look very good by the way. If you want the wu-tang dunk vibe get the dunk high sp Iowa and get the wu-tang symbol drawn or stamped on lol I will not be surprised if a lot more high end collabs get re-released in the coming years
for the average sneakerhead like myself I don't mind these retros. especially if its a release like the Wu-Tang Dunks. But if it's something more recent and available that's a bit of a reach IMO
This could explain why Nike went after Pandabuy; it was the only way to obtain these classic and prevented Nike from potentially hammering the last nail in the coffin for resellers
the original drop was probably of a better quality, because as we know with time things get cheaper, but would be interested to see say with the Undefeated 4 which was better quality now or then
Facts! This also is a thing in many levels of collecting. Do you think the people who got the original Star Wars action figures care that the brand reissued them in later years? No, they are just happy they have a piece of history.
Im a sneaker collector and a fashion istana. So, for me the how rare a shoe isn't the top of my list on why i want a shoe. Or the resale cause i wear all my shoes. It's more so the shoes are part of my personality and style. I would be lying saying having a rarer shoe doesn't feel nice. BUT seeing shoes that nobody can get feels worse. I'd rather be part of the mass-produced attainable club than watch on the side line as shoes get backdoored. I'd rather Nike mass-produce a collab 1 time than make it limited, and now they gotta reach back because their desperate. All collabs would still be special and rare if they were 1 and done even if 500k, 800k were made because you'd know you'll never see it again but at least way more people have a chance at getting the shoe they like. Resale and reps wouldn't have such a huge foothold then, where Nike has to sue everybody lol. They are only suing because their stock market numbers are tanking.
I’m on the fence, as I think the occasional retro is nice but collab retros should be left alone. I’m a big PROD collector and knowing they are re-releasing the prod 1s means I can finally sole swap a shed load of kicks I have not been able to wear due to crumbling and having a unique sole that I can’t just swap out for a dunk for example.
Not mad because it gives a second chance for those who couldn't find a pair. It kills reselling in the process, which is a good thing in my book. As collector I don't mind, it doesn't take away from the story behind them. I played the limited game before with records, having among my collection unreleased and 1/50, 1/100 pressings and some of those tracks are mid because I felt into the MOFO mentality and lost the plot, which in that case is the music and being connected by it. Nowadays some records I buy or receive are into the limited category but it is because I care about the music first, the second is more a symptom. Good for us! especially those like me that lived in countries with limited access like me growing up.
For nike, theres no downside to re-releasing uber-grails. Just like when they retro any other shoe. It only hurts owners of the OGs because they become de-valued. I have a pair of 2016 linen AF1s that were worth well over $1k a couple months ago and are now $150 lol. Not saying that'll happen with the 100 or so pairs of wu tangs and UNDFTD 4s, but when the market is on a downturn and Nike has become stale, they need to make headlines somehow.
I started collecting before retros was a thing... Nike kind of has it's roots since the early 2000s. I remember in the 80s- early 00s. Every year they bring something new make every kid go wow whats that... they innovate new technology and new design language every year. You don't have to be a sneaker head to know every Jordan release was special. Every kid at school wanted Nike not because they are sneaker heads. To be honest the last time Nike made non sneakerheads people talk about their shoes in a exciting way was the shox or the frees... As a long time collector i love the retros however it has been a long time since i was excited about a non Nike or collab retro...
Just releasing 36 pairs is cool, but basically just trolling sneaker heads and creating super expensive resell. Let's be honest, it's just a Dunk High Iowa with a Wu sign slapped on.I'm all about getting dope colourways to the customer. Let's go!
I'm not mad that they're re-releasing some of these iconic colour ways. I hope they have the ok from their collab partners but these releases also need to be available somehow to ordinary paying public rather than bot merchants AND stay limited so that the colour ways retain some clout.
Gotta disagree with you on that one... Do we just have to keep them on a pedestal because they're crazy expensive? The DQM retro of the Bacons was well received! And if they retro'd the AM1 Atmost for sure people would go crazy.
Am in the side that it’s not good to bring back old classics but tbh Nike doesn’t care for you or me. They just are looking/needing money. Don’t invest in sneakers cause you never know when your old kicks are gonna loose its value, specially Nike sneakers
this just shows that no shoe is worth more than retail. Nike can and will retro anything they want whenever they want, 10, 20 , 40 year anniversary. also just think of all the old heads from the 90s and early 2000s that might come back for a shoe like this. sneakers invokes memories. people are willing to buy those memories again and again.
Intrinsically, Nike is a great stock and people should buy now while it's at a discount because of skiddish investors. I am also not mad at them rereleasing sought after grails, it keeps them in the news while they spend for R&D on new tech/designs. On a side note: imagine paying $30,000 for a pair of Iowa dunks with Wu-Tang symbol on it.
i don't want to see the original "the ten" come back, i hope nike just drops the pairs that never released, that was an era and style that is kinda had its time however it has been 7 years since the nike mags got auctioned, those i wouldn't mind seeing a wider release even at a high price point
It could also be Nike going against fake sneakers, for it’s very easy to get a fake pair of Wu Tangs or J-undefeated. They might think, well in that case we better get a piece of that pie and produce some more.
Only people complaining are the resellers and collectors.... They can solve alot of issues if they just produced enough for demand Sneakers should be worn, not sitting on shelves
Shoes should not be collectibles they should be clothing items you use. I love that they are re releasing grails because now I can wear mine more often knowing that I can get a new version in the future as to being afraid of getting mine damage because I don't want to pay scalper prices again.
this is the biggest thing for me, i have heaps of pairs that are on their last legs that i keep as nice as i can knowing i might only get one or two more wears out of them, if i could get another pair in a year or two for retail id not worry about it i have a pair of 2016 wc4's that are trashed but if the 2025 rumors are true im in luck
Its definitely a good thing. Nike did this to themselves and now they need to bring it back up. The limited strategy to build hype only works for so long before it starts hurting you. Now most of their customers only care about hype limited product and nothing else. They dont make much off the limited stock because, well... its limited, and the rest of their product just sits. It also drove a lot of their customers away because they cant get any of the stuff they want. Thats why fakes became a big thing. It even pushed them to other brands like New Balance, Asics, and even Crocs who are now laughing at Nike.
I agree - I actually think what most customers want from Nike is innovation, new exciting stuff, not just limited collabs on Jordan 3s or another reimagined OG - they’ve neglected that and focused on retro stuff and it’s become washed - in that time they’ve completely missed out on the running boom that’s going on
The more they release, the better of a chance I get to cop. I do like the idea of rare sneakers. But let’s spread the love and not just have them go the highest bidder
What is the role of the so called "grails" ? From a consumer standpoint, there is nothing in it for me, regular consumers of a whole bunch of shoes I dont actually need but want to own and wear... if I like it I would love to have a chance to buy it, wear it and eventually move on to the next one. Go Nike! Want to see a GR of these and see everyone replace their pandas for wu tangs 😂
I have to disagree with you and agree with Welty. Sneaker collectors like 10 years ago made up a small portion of the market, but as sneakers have become more mainstream, there is definitely more people into Retro/QS product in general. Besides that too, sneaker collectors too influence the masses. Look at the Nike blazers, now every girl is wearing them in the gym, Nike dunks and now every teen wants them, new balance 550/990 series, now more casual people are into them. Same thing is happening to Asics. Not to play us up too much, but we play a huge influence on the direction of the sneaker market and the brands know it. I want the Wu tang dunks but it's a desperate move
