Thanks Rose Anvil, I still think that a tac boot needs a true heel like the OG jungle boot. Like the logging White's heel help you go down hill, you would be falling all over the place if you needed to go down hill.
I could be wrong here but the diagram at 0:58 is incorrect. It looks like theyre reversed. the blake stitch is on the left and the goodyear on the right
Being in the army, I would love to see the standard army boots compared to standard issue ones. The AR 670-1 boots I see and hear about most offen are Belleville,Oakley, rocky, Nike, and a random walmart brand I can't remember. It would be interesting to see the differences more than the rumors about each one.
I took apart a pair of standard issue boots before, and there really isn't much to them. Fiberglass shank, cardboard heel and toe counter, canvas toe and heel cover and a fiberboard insole. The dual density foam layers past the footbed are neat, but its the vibram sieria sole that is the only really expensive part of the boot.
I have been in the military since 1989. The worst boot was the old black leather. I loved the jungle boot. My favorite boot is this Rocky. Even though I have the steal toe version, they are very comfortable. It takes a day to break them in. I work in liquid fuels and water. I have put them through hell while deployed to the Middle East and I still wear them.
Stoked to see tactical boots being covered. I've owned both the Rocky and the Belleville boots. I was issued Rocky for my deployment and purchased the Belleville on my own. Despite the additional comforts of the Rockies, I loved the Belleville boots waaaaaaaay more (I still own and wear them). Even having been conditioned to minimalist footwear, the Bellevilles needed just a little bit of squish, so I bought the $3 foam insoles from the BX. Worked beautifully. I tried the Danners as well. Also great feeling boots. If you continue doing tactical boots, I would recommend doing the Corcoran Marauders. So many airmen wore them and they had such a killer reputation, but they royally destroyed my heels. They never broke in. I hated them and I need my bias confirmed lol.
I love my marauders, the only complaint I have is that the get so wet so easily. I've had the Rockies, and every pair I was ever issued squeaked. I have a pair of backup Bellevilles that sit at the very back of my closet and I hope I never have to lace up.
I think what gets discounted in this barefoot series is that once you are properly conditioned to barefoot boots, then the flexibility of a proper minimal boot is far more important to comfort than any padding could be. Basically if the boot completely moves with your foot, then it can’t rub and cause hot spots and nor should the counter cover wear out because there’s not the same friction on it. Then you also realise how much more stable you feel the closer to the ground you are, so all the stuff about foam adding stability is out the window once you have muscles in your feet and your feet have maximum contact with the terrain. But listen to the advice in these videos: you need to transition to barefoot shoes for any of this to hold true or you could get hurt.
It's true that ground feel enhances stability. It's also true that 'in the wild' rocks and roots will beat the hell out of the bottom of your foot if the sole is too flexible. Especially if you're carrying a pack. I say this having worn various barefoot shoes for >15 years and then making the mistake of trying to go barefoot on a two-week section hike of the Appalachian Trail, and coming home with foot injuries that took weeks to recover from. There's a middle ground. Also, I spent nearly thirty years in the Special Forces, a lot of that as a medic. I have tried a lot of standard-issue and nonstandard-issue footwear. And treated a lot of blisters, plantar fasciitis, ankle sprains and fractures. Love that ground feel but too much can be dangerous in the wrong environment. Oh, and one more thing. If you happen to do a lot of ladder climbing, for example, the wire rope assault ladder into a helicopter, you'll definitely want a heel on your boot.
I've hiked with a pack on up those knarly mountain trails in my Belleville barefoot boots, and they performed awesome. I have 1/4 inch wool felt in the bottom, and that was enough padding to prevent rocks from hurting, while still letting me move ninja over the terrain.
@@brimstone33 might be an age thing too, no offense. i mean, based on your experience, you're really old. your body is nowhere near as robust as it was years ago. nothing to be ashamed of. as one ages, people can get stronger, but they get more prone to injury and take longer to recover after exertion.
The Belleville mini mils are by far the most comfortable boots I've ever worn - my feet are very well adapted to barefoot though. If you sno-seal the roughout, the leather will last forever. It also takes leather die very well.
confused why you deduct points from belleville for being uncomfortable, since arent they the only true minimalist boot here? Of course the others are more comfortable, they have enormous cushioning and aren't minimalist
Would be cool to see Salomon XA Forces GTX and Quest 4D GTX Forces boots being in the next one, along with Altama Maritime Assault shoes, and the Altama PRO-X Jungle boots as well.
salomons are ok, but wear much much faster than any boots i've worn. and the xa forces suck bc of the tongue. absolutely avoid at all costs. they constantly work their way to the outside of your pants and everything will fall into your boots.
Only issues I've had with the Altamas are the insoles (they're rubber which dries easily but is hard underfoot and eats through socks) and the ankle support. Changing out the insole is a good move with these but there's really no solution to the ankle support. The whole boot is a mesh material which is good for letting water out but not great for keeping you from rolling ankles on hikes. Other than that, they're built pretty solid. Had a pair for a few years and other than some fraying on the finger loop on the heel, they've held up.
@@Khan.WrathOf That’s actually a great result you’ve got out of your pair, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts about the Altama Maritime Assault shoes. Although I’d like to swap the insoles out for something else like the Ortholite insoles, I think I wouldn’t have to worry much about the ankle support as I’d treat them more of a lightweight pair of shoes since I wouldn’t be doing anything crazy with it, besides being a casual pair and for skateboarding/long boarding, and of course for Airsoft as well. And I think I wouldn’t worry much with them if they do get wet in the rain, since it’s what they’re mostly designed for, just to not hold onto water as much. Once again, thank you for your thoughts and tips, it’s very helpful! :)
I love that you still call out companies on their bullshit. Marketing bullshit, cutting corners, cheap materials, ect. Companies need to stop lying to people about the quality of their products, especially the workforce. We need more people doing this with products.
I was a paratrooper and a medic and my Rocky's being so thick saved my ankles more times than I can count. In fact, I can only remember having to treat two injuries with S2Vs compared to dozens of Nikes, Belleveilles, and Danners. Yeah, they were heavy as all hell during a long movement, but after a while you get used to them. In 8 years, I went through 3 pairs and the only pair that ever fell apart were my 3rd pair on my last week in the Army which I honestly thought was pretty fitting.
As someone that wears tactical boots for a living, I really enjoy and appreciate this series. If you could include Salomon’s in one of the comparisons that would be great.
As has been mentioned, thicker isn't always better. I hike many hundreds of miles a year in rocky terrain. I used to be a boot hiker. My feet were weak. I transitioned to thin, zero lift trail running shoes. Now I love the feel of the ground and rocks under my feet. My stability and agility have improved. I haven't turned an ankle since I went low and thin. I now hate cushioning. I have climbed mountains in the Rockies, I have hiked the Grand Canyon rim to rim, 25 miles in one day. I never get blisters or have any foot trouble. Cushioning is way over rated. The only time I wear boots is during winter snow hiking in sub freezing and sub-zero weather.
I did all of my military conditioning hikes in Bates Lites or the Danner Reckonings, and the one time I ever injured my ankles was not even during training, and it was wearing the heavier McRaes. Lightweight is best weight.
My first pair of Belleville Mini-Mil boots, the counter failed. Not the cover, but the actual counter. It crumbled into tiny pieces and caused hot spots and blisters, ended up tossing them. I'm on my second and third pairs now, so far no issues.
@@Megatonaxe Yes, and I don't recommend it. Hiking casually under no load is fine. But if you're currently serving with the intention to use them for rucks or school (air assault school, etc.) don't. Use a boot with some actual support. Garmont NFS is a really popular option.
I am not sure you can really rate a shoe for its minimalism until you have worn them long enough to be able to walk or run in them properly. I can tell you right now that the Bellevilles are the best minimal shoe in this line up and would be the easiest for a minimalist runner to run in.
Agreed - the minimils are the only boot in this lineup that could really be considered minimalist. That said they could definitely be improved, most notably by getting rid of the weird plastic heel counters that crumble as the boots break in. It's interesting/disappointing that he didn't get into that, but I actually removed the heel counters from my pair and it's a huge upgrade.
I agree. His argument is better leather better durable but wait till it rain outdoors and marching in wet leather boots. It's the worst. Without GTX, it's nightmare and it won't last long because of constant wetness
Have worn the Rocky’s s2v steel toe for the last 5 or so years on duty. Easily the most comfortable military boot I’ve ever worn. Usually get about 1-2 years out of them so I can justify the cost. Aircraft maintenance is hard on footwear.
Great video! I switched to minimalist shoes about a year ago and just got the Belleville’s at the start of the year. I wear them every day since I’m in the Army and gotta say they are great boots. If you’re looking for a true minimalist boot you can wear in uniform, they do really well.
I wear the Rocky SV2 Predator and love them. They are super comfortable. I have had them for 8 months so far and have had no issues. My coworker just bought a pair too and he loves them.
I was cheesed to see you do the Rocky’s. With experience I can attest they are top for durability. I Got a pair 15 years ago, because let’s face it the standard issue I had until then terribly uncomfortable and I herd a lot of good things about the Rocky’s. For the next 9 years they served me well until my ETS and they still work wonderfully as my go to for yard work , hiking and whatever else outdoors I may do. Replaced the insoles once in this span of time. The insoles have so much squish and are so comfortable that have purchased additional insoles to swap in for my work boots (red wing king toe) and couldn’t be happier.
As a PR and Marketing professional, I cringed so hard at some of these descriptions. It's almost like they're trying to confuse and impress you more than they're helping you make a choice.
I'm really glad you're doing this one! Tactical boots are about all I wear. The Rocky S2V is my all time favorite. I would definitely pick the Rocky over 5.11 any day. The SV2 are really good. I've come to like Danner in last year or so but not this model boot. There's many more I'd like to try but being expensive, I tend to go with what I know is good. I appreciate you doing these videos because it helps a lot! I like knowing what's in them. 🤙🏼
Best boots I ever had for light-infantry work were the Altama EXO-Speed 1. Those boots did parachuting, long patrols in the bush with 40kg-60kg and lasted years. Never got blisters or even a hotspot. The lateral ankle support was fantastic. As someone with flat feet, it's hard to find boots that won't cause pain and fatigue while doing that kind of work. The EXO-Speed 2 were nowhere near as long lasting. The Rocky SV2s had a decent sole, but no lateral support for the ankles. I'd love to see the EXO Speed 1s come back with Altama's OTB tread, so much grip!
wore rocky s2v my whole infantryman career, including Afghanistan tour. absolutely fantastic boots. got out and still use an old pair on weekends in the woods, almost 10 years later. great great boot.
I rotated three different versions of Rocky over the course of almost 10 years in the Navy (the version you tested here, the steel toe version, and a Gortex winter version) and yeah, they're durable as hell and I thought they were all really comfy. Luckily, they issued me a lot of spares lol, so I still have a few NIB!
I worked Air Transportation in the military. After almost wearing a hole in the steel-toe boots that were issued to me, I switched to Rockys and to this day I miss those boots. They're my Roman empire. They went through hell. They held up so well that my dad stole them from me when I separated and I never saw him or my boots again.
Quality control on the Bellevilles is hit and miss. I have two pairs - the black leather version and and the sage green air force version. The black ones bow out so much at the sides due to the construction method that I feel ridiculous wearing them. The green version has a weird seam or collection of materials in the toe that causes a hotspot. Love these minimalist videos.
I'm a big fan of my Hanwang Tatra II GTX boots, but if you're looking for something more heavy duty, I also have had good performance from my AKU KS Schwer NBK Goretex Hiking Boots, those will handle just about anything cold, wet and rough that your hunt can throw at you!
Replaced my Rocky’s with a pair of Nicks Tactical Boots. Best decision I’ve made for boots. The Rocky’s were comfortable but never lasted more than a year.
I’ve throughly enjoyed your videos lately. Especially with the barefoot stuff. Thank you so much, I know it’s not cheap. But it’s extremely appreciated.
Had a pair of Danner Tachyons for probably about 8 years that I beat the shit out of and I absolutely loved them. Small chunks of the midsole were missing and there was little a hole or two in the leather when I finally retired them because the soles were basically smooth. Replaced them with Nike SFBs which are fine but just not the same.
I was issued the Rocky’s when I deployed to Afghanistan, they were comfy but fell apart after 3 months, I had to use my good ole Belleville’s for the rest of it.
Excuse me but garmont T8 bifidas are by far and away the most used aftermaket boots in the infantry (which is what matters) I have one pair that ive been wearing for field use for 4 years now.
You left out the most obvious choice to win the minimalist tactical boot category... Dansko! What you never heard of a tactical clog? Why else do you think the Dutch were known as the most fearsome mercenaries?
Awesome video always love to see the specially being Air Force myself. If you have the time I would love to see go over Altima maritime assault boot, Solomon Quest 4D, Lowa Innox pro, Danner 20512 fullbore, Oakley light assault boot. hopefully the series isn’t becoming redundant for you. I really appreciate your attention to detail and breaking down the facts for us viewers. Thank you for your time.
This tactical boot series is excellent. I'm in the military and most guys will have multiple pairs of boots - your "garrison" boot for those 9-5 going to work on base days (where you see a lot of these minimalist cheaper boots) and than an exercise/operation boot. I rock the Danner Tachyons for Garrison and I'm eyeballing the Rocky's for a new exercise boot now that my standard issue Mark IV goretext boots have worn through. The goretex Tachyons are great because I don't have to put any extra mileage on my exercise boots during the winter and they feel like a slipper. The Rocky's and Lowas are by far the most popular for exercises - I even know of some guys who keep the insole from the Rocky's and put it in their Lowas. I personally think the Lowas are ugly as sin and look like a coyote tan power ranger would wear. But, to each their own. Dudes really swear by them. I think a couple brands to include for a follow up would be Altberg, Ultimas, and SWATs.
I wore the rocky sv2 twelve years ago in Afghanistan, and I still have that pair, just recently the sole is starting to come off. So from 2010-2023, held up great. i did notice at those rocky boots you showed had no metal mesh. The sv2 has metal mesh. Like to see those boots cut open. Also I did find a small issue with them if you like more info.
Belleville C320 is the best AR670-1 boot hands down. 1 pair lasted me all of Ranger School with 2 mountains. At the end the only thing that busted through was as the balls of your feet. Not the lightest but light enough you can sprint or ruck-run easily. Enough to support your ankles (I have good ankles though). They dry within an hour of walking if rain made them wet and within 4 hours if you stepped in a stream. The only thing I changed was adding in a hiking insole.
I bought some "boot campaign boots" not sure what brand they were but they were done of the coolest lightest boots I've owned. Only got a year or of them on the farm though. Between the chemicals and things i do it takes a good boot to hold up. Thorogood flyway boots lasted 2 years. I'm 6 months in on my Nick's so far so good they are just heavy
@@georgiaboy2023 walnut builder pro. It's by far the most comfortable shoe I've worn. The break-in wasn't bad I put them on the day they came in the mail. I just wore them about the 3 day my feet hurt but i was standing and moving all day. After that it was fine
When I started with the army reserve everyone was wearing rocky s2v boots, so as soon as I could dump the issued boots that's what I got myself and they were really amazing and served me well. Now almost everyone is wearing Lowas, and for good reason I think, the quality and comfort is just better. I Have a pair of Aku Pilgrims and A pair of Altbergs now as military boots and a pair of civilian lowa renegades and all of them are great. I think you should try cutting apart some altbergs, they seem to be made in a pretty old school way with a lot of care and consideration, and are very high quality.
I have the bates shock. I had another pair of bates and reebok and sketchers and they all fell apart. The shocks have lasted me the longest. I'm on my feet 10-12 hours a day, these style shoes are light enough but meet my work standards.
Based on things people have said on the internet, the Rocky SV2 seemed to be the most highly regarded military boot. I'm not sure about the Danners and the Belleville boots featured in this vid but I believe the Rockys are used in actual military operations.
In the Navy I was issued Rocky S2V(not this barefoot version though), Belleville Sabre, Bellville 330STBelleville 880ST for the flight deck, and my boot amp boots were some crappy Bates. The 880 were nice for standing/being on your feet for long periods, but the Rocky’s were the most comfortable for moving around and working.
For decades I've worn Belleville C320s, considering them the best combat boot since my issued Jungle Boots. But I was riding my bicycle and was hit by a SUV. Back broken at the L-1, my left femur shattered into eight pieces with a three inch gap where bone used to be, my left arm broken in three places, my left shoulder dislocated, a concussion, and plenty of road rash. The impact should have killed me. I was told that as a 60 year-old man I would never recover enough to walk without a walker or cane. But, after six months in a hospital bed, three reconstructive surgeries, over two years of supervised physical therapy, I was able to jog four miles cross-country in under an hour without any devices. And I did it in less than three years after the collision. During my recovery, my broken back made zero-drop footwear desirable. I bought the pair of Bellevilles in this video. There is a plastic-like reinforced cup around the heel keeping the boot from sagging as it breaks in. But it also cuts your Achilles Tendon on the forward swing of your foot. It's like wearing a bear trap around your ankle at every step. I had to go back to the Belleville C320, which is what I wear when I jog cross country.
I've worn 5.11s for ten years if various types everyday before graduating to Redwings and now Nick's. I will say for cheap boots, 5.11s usually lasted me 2 years of beating the absolute hell out of them on trails and light trades' work. As someone who is very flat-footed, they tended to help with that which is why I stuck with them. The only problem I had was when they failed, there was no saving them. I'm talking like as soon as the cemet holding the sole cracks off just a little or a tear developed, the boots had maybe a month left before they were completely toast.
Buddy let me tell you something I am so thankful you did this one. I’m a veteran, I believe I commented on your last couple videos about doing something like this one. Either way, thank you for letting me finally see this! But yes as some of the others have said we would love to see one based on the basic training boots! I thought rocky and garmont brand army boots was the best!
Love the videos! I would really like to see y'all do some more market research before picking boots, because this and the last video feature some of the lowest quality boots seen only on the feet of mall cops (5.11, Reebok, UA) while leaving out the most popular and high quality boots (Garmont, Salomon, Lowa, Beleville 320, Nike SFB, Oakley). I think you guys have a really interesting perspective and I would love to see some of the following boots looked at: Beleville One Xero 320 Garmont T8 Garmont NFS Oakley Light Assault 2 Nike SFB Gen 2 Rocky S2V Thanks again for the time and effort you put into these videos, hope to see more.
Update: I've been waring the Bellville mini mils for several months now, and I think I've found my ideal boot. Idk what you're talking about they are the most comfortable footwear I own.
Have you seen the TACTICAL RESEARCH TR Men's MiniMil TR103 Minimalist Boot. I have tried and owned lots of minimalist shoes/sandals. For a durable minimalist boot, the TR103s are pretty decent.
Ukraine has A TON of tactical boot manufacturers now. Tac shops are everywhere, & online & off, & so are prices. It would be REALLY useful if you ordered a bunch of them & cut them open for us. Most should ship to the US. I mean potentially lifesaving. If you need a list of them here I can compile one for you.
Rebocks are CRAP! They bought Converses Tactical Rapid Response Super Comfortable Sneaker Side Zipper Boot, Drastically Down Graded the Materials and Zipper Size. Now They SUCK to all Holy Hell. They went from "ZERO" Break-In to a Nightmare to Break-In, the Outsides are Not Durable, They have No Support or Comfort and the Zipper Pull Tabs Regularly Break.
@roseanvil I served from 2012-2020 and the ONLY boots I would wear on a ruck or in the field were the rocky s2v. Anyone interested I can personally vouch for them. I would throw on something like the danners for just walking around the base. Great video!
regarding the infographic at the beginning, I'm confused. The diagram under the "goodyear welt" marquis points to a label of a "Blake stitch" (diagonally), but the diagram under "Blake stitch" marquis just labels a "stitch."?
@Rose Anvil Hi Weston, could you please cut open a/some boot/s from the german manufacturer Hanwag? Like the Hanwag Bergler, the Bergell Top, the Tashi, the Alaska, the Tatra, the Ancash... just to name a few classic/nice models. I would love to know your opinion, and have a look inside myself. Love your videos!
Well well well I suggest every American get a pair of boots. A pair of tactical boots. This is awesome. Thank you for doing this right now. I don't think America realizes where we're going. I do. Yep yep yep I see it I've seen the writing on the wall since I was 8 years old. Oh boy you're going to need those boots. Thanks man
Non military here. But active in the outdoors and healthcare. Even within 1 brand there can be so much variety of quality-comfort-long lasting wear. I have 5.11 ATAC 2.0 S.Z. with (foot) mobility issues, light, comfy, but the inner liner wears out faster than the rest of the boot wich looks well. Just sharing thoughts. Thanks
I reckon it's unfair to rate Minimalist Boots against features that normal one would want from standard grade military/tactical/GP boots... you can't really expect much from Minimalist Boots anyway. Just my thoughts 🤷
any boot thats regularly used in the Military (Bates, Belleville, Rocky, etc) is going to greatly outclass a boot made by a sneaker company; (Reebok, Under Armour, Nike, etc)...because they have to actually live up to the stress-loads that come from being in infantry and active environments...the sneaker companies aren't held to those same benchmarks so they end up making "consumer-grade" boots more times than not (hence the synthetics on the mudguard/toebox). I have high fashion "tactical boots" that were $400+ that can't really measure up to a $100 pair of Belleville's at all.
I actually ordered myself some Rocky Boots, pretty informative to watch this and quite happy that the sole is actually sewn on, I dont trust glued on soles too much wich is why I prefer my veeeeery old germany army boots since they are very durable (my dad used his 50 years for motorbike rides and only had to replace the glued heel once)
Think you've missed the point. The Rocky's are in no way minimal and for tactical eg special ops use, the minimalist idea is to have better proprioception to move quick and agile etc. Having thick foam and/or a raised heel is fine for long distance combat boots, but not for being quick and light on your feet when you're rescuing hostages and sieging a building
Wow, a Cut Centered Score of 100. That's a first! Hoping you will some day address the significance of this measure. It's meaningless until you do, Weston.
I have owned and worked in 5.11, Rocky Sv2, and Lowa's. I really liked the Rocky's but the sole wore out way too fast. The 5.12 were trash. That brings me to my current boots, Lowa. IMO the Lowa's and Haix make the best tactical boots. Leave it to the Germans!
Hey man! Please cut open Mountaineering Boots! Those are really high tech and will be very interesting, some examples would be: LA Sportiva Nepal Cube or Millet Everest or Scarpa Phantom 8000 :)
Boots I've worn in the service: Concoran Marauders Altama , Jungle Assault boots (my favorite safety toe boot for warm weather) Rock Sv3s (fav safetey toe cold weather boots) Aku Pilgrims (all season best non safety toe boot, beat the piss out of them ruck marching and hiking off duty). Altama Maritime Assault boots (Vans on steroids basically)
I’m in the marine Corps. I would love to see standard issued boots get cut in half. USMC combat boots, Jungle boots, RAT boots. And for the most popular boot… the Danner Reckonings 😎I love your videos!
The earlier gen Belleville's were solid boots, and the 105's have a couple of upgrades. That said- they're NOT tactical boots, only styled that way for uniform compliance. They're more for training those calf and foot muscles while doing daily BS. They are pretty nice for a second light weight pair of boots rather than crocs or sandals.
Ok just my opinion but... Rockys USMC Tropical boot is the best boot I've owned in years. Been wearing them for about 9 years, about 3 yrs per boot. And yes I wear them everyday for 10 to 16 hrs. So I would love to try another recommendation
I’ve been wearing S2Vs since 2007, ever since getting back from my first Iraq deployment. One pair usually lasts me about a year of daily wear, and it’s usually the outsole tread that wears out first.
I own 3 pairs of the ATLAS 5.11 and they are awesome. It feels like you could run a marathon in them right out of the box they are so light. The hard D30 insole plus foam insole is tough so you don't feel any flex. I take them out and put them in other boots I've seen them recently for close to $100 during a sale. Also they make a waterproof version now too.
Love your videos, but speaking for everyone outside the US, please use metric as well! Just add captions or something. It'll make watching much more pleasant.
I personally like how the Bellville's tested everywhere but the pincture tests, thanks for the Video! As an actual barefooted trail runner, (not "barefoot" shoes, but shoe-less) in the rocky mountains, no less, I have to disagree with your assertion that the most minimal boots are "obviosly" the least comfortable. If your feet are used to supporting themselves and are already strengthened while being spread out in their natural anatomical position, then less really is more. Also, I feel like you did the Bellville's a disservice in durability, focusing on puncture, when the first thing that wears on nearly every boot I've ever owned is the heal cup. Didn't you say the they were the only leather reinforced healcup? I used to wear big old boots backpacking, mosly La Sportiva Makalu's or Glacier's. I had ankle and knee problems. Now I backpack exclusively with fairly light trail runners, Salomon GTX's. No more knee/ankle problems.
I think I’m the 2000s USMC had Bates Tactical that were like $200-$250. They were good boots. Summer vs insulated versions. It would be cool to see those.
I have a couple of the Bellevilles and I love them. Luckily I don't have the problem a lot of people have with the counter digging into my achilles but my feet are boney.
