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What's lurking beneath our mast?! | Ep102 

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After finding out that our compression post had sunk slightly the decision was made to pull the mast to find out what was going on in the bilges of Fair Isle.
Everything about Hans Christian boats is solid, we've never found anything other than quality engineering and overbuilt superstrong construction... so what the hell was going on the day they stepped the mast?!
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@mentonish
@mentonish 7 месяцев назад
The thing is to take your time, and think it through
@SailingSisu
@SailingSisu 7 месяцев назад
Wow, what an intriguing video! It looks like you have quite a mystery on your hands with what's lurking beneath your mast. Good luck with figuring it out, I have faith that you'll tackle this challenge head-on. And once it's all finished, your beautiful boat will be ready for many more amazing adventures in the next 23 years! Can't wait to see it all go back together. Best of luck to both of you! The way that conduit was routed through the teak is just crazy, but I know you're up to the task. Keep up the great work, you two are fantastic. I hope this repair goes smoothly and you'll be out sailing again soon. Bon voyage! 🌊⛵️
@gmssails
@gmssails 7 месяцев назад
Good luck! If anyone can figure this out, it's you! And just think--after this project is finished your lovely boat will be ready for the next 23 years!
@MaShcode
@MaShcode 7 месяцев назад
The Transats look like toy sailboats. So cute. Bon voyage.
@moesailing6008
@moesailing6008 7 месяцев назад
The filming of the Transats taking off in the mist was brilliant.
@MattDV
@MattDV 7 месяцев назад
My friends! I'm enjoying your content. THANK YOU.
@Jackanory222
@Jackanory222 7 месяцев назад
I see the way this was constructed as a significant design error. To have a tank between the compression post and the keel is insane. At least they used teak. Had the teak end tangs failed then it would probably have been catastrophic. The bridge needs to be one with the hull to ensure the optimum weight and force distribution. I think parallel I-Beams sitting on as much hull area as possible would be a way to do this. A naval architect's opinion would be invaluable Really interested to see your engineered solution
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Yes it’s a mystery how a boat like this with everything done so well ended up with this bodge job, I can only think it was an afterthought not done at the factory. In fact looking at the way the teak was cut for the cables you can tell this was not done by the carpenters in Thailand as everything they have done is mm perfect and beautifully neat
@primadonna8980
@primadonna8980 7 месяцев назад
Fabulous interesting film. ❤Really great to see Ertan too having followed and watched every moment of the GGR2022.⛵️😎
@jumpleadsx2
@jumpleadsx2 7 месяцев назад
Nothing like a serious problem to draw in the RU-vid audience. We're all super keen for the next video
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Every cloud! I’m not hoping for any more dramas though, views or not!
@PaulBKal
@PaulBKal 7 месяцев назад
Re your section on raising the mast on the 580 (5:45), here in Western Australia, most yachts have deck stepped masts to enable them to be lowered to get under the bridges over the Swan River at Fremantle to access the wonderful sailing Melville Water upriver provides and the river yacht clubs, such as Royal Perth Yacht Club. The procedure is to use two spinnaker poles to form a bipod to which the forestay is attached and a block and tackle (often simply the mainsheet) to enable far better control of the mast lowering and raising process, as it opens the angle between the forestay and the mast. It works really well, with even big boats like 50 footers using the same process. The poles are attached to pad eyes wide on the deck just forward of the mast step.
@paulchipperfield92
@paulchipperfield92 7 месяцев назад
Fascinating video Looks a mammoth job. Looking forward to seeing it all go back together. Best of luck to you both
@1962gms
@1962gms 7 месяцев назад
A really interesting video & quite a challenge ahead - but you are clearly up to it, and you are in a great location to get help. The way that conduit was routed 'via cutting the teak' is just crazy! The things some people do to boats...
@sondrax
@sondrax 7 месяцев назад
Hang in there man! You - among all the sailing channels - DO NOT DESERVE THIS! Ha… ya ya that doesn’t help much… you still have to deal with it! But just know many of us see you as … a legend of a man TRYING to ‘do it right’ in every way… so it’s especially painful to see you two have to go through this kind of ‘expensive boat repair in exotic lands’ nightmare. Godspeed to your efforts to address the issue!
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Ha! thanks. I'm going to tell Judy she's going to bed with 'a legend of a man' tonight and see where it gets me!
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
PS. probably knowhere, I'm not sure I've got rid of all the fiberglass dust!
@Lisakaylindsay256
@Lisakaylindsay256 7 месяцев назад
So interesting watching you guys go through taking off the mast and all the other sails and rigging. My partner is going to need to take down the mast on his boat (Also a Hans Christian, from the late 80’s) in the near future so it’s good to see what this entails and I am learning so much from you guys and from being on his boat for the last 5 years. Best wishes to getting it all fixed and back together.
@lewiscowden9731
@lewiscowden9731 7 месяцев назад
Another great video Steven and Judy you always leave it that you can't wait until the next one for an update. Absolutely love all your videos.
@richardk.4131
@richardk.4131 7 месяцев назад
To be the contrarian here and as someone who has done quite a bit of boat work. This seems like a huge expense about a problem that was likely fairly minor. Unless there was something actively taking place off camera; like having to repeatedly tension the rig, that board recently breaking downward, new squeaking, groaning, or rattling on different points of sail, the coach roof bowing inward, or separating there is no reason to think that slightly crushed wood on that support was negatively affecting anything. That small tab of wood covering that conduit had nothing to do with the mast load. Not sure of the local prices but pulling the mast like this is probably $25k-ish if not more. I believe the statics of the system were a misstated; the mast was supported via the steel crossbeam that redirected the downward force to multiple pads. We at least saw two fairly large contact pads meaning each pad was distributing 1/2 the downward force distributed over a fairly large contact patch. That patch was thickly glassed on all sides effectively preventing "squish out" and further widening the distribution area. One side was even bound by a very substantial stringer. One can argue the wisdom of placing the patch over an integrated tank but it would be difficult to assess without knowing a lot more. There could be an integral support there, extra thick fiberglass construction, etc. Fiberglass is incredibly strong. While eclipsed in today's world by carbon fiber and other exotics it is still an impressive material especially in compression/tension like this case. The effective distribution area is likely MUCH larger than a mast sitting on a single point on the keel. It is also probably giving it greater lateral stability. Wood has a fair amount of air space and is subject to a small amount of crushing before stabilizing in a hardened compressed matrix. That minor crush likely took place 40 years ago and hasn't worsened sans active wood rot. Given how incredibly tensioned the compression post was having to use a screw post to raise the coach roof to get it out. Clearly it has been that way a LONG time. The compressed wood probably even created a stable contact patch rather than point loads that a harder material might have. Wood is expected to give and expand and compress slightly. To the best of my knowledge Hans Christians are NOT known to suffer from dismasting problems. All that said, I would do little more than maybe use some penetrating epoxy to stabilize the active crack to prevent moisture incursion to maybe discourage rot in the broken fibers. I would not try to transfer the mast load to those wood stringers its unlikely they are designed to hold those kind of loads. The large contact patches at each end are likely much better. All this is predicated on a fair amount of unknowns regarding the overall construction that can't be seen from the video.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
I could clearly see what was happening at that point in the disassembly maybe it didn’t show that well in the video. Hopefully it will in the next when I put it back together again. The teak pads, while not being the ideal medium to have as a compression pad aren’t that bad in my opinion and pretty common in these types of boats. The massive problem with the installation (and it was a massive problem) was only the last 15mm on port side and 5mm on the starboard side was sitting on anything solid. I originally thought that there would be a solid structure going from the pad to the lead in the keel as is the way with all other HCs that I’ve seen. At that stage because I got some dark wood from my test drill I guessed the wood had rotted and sunk. Again this is the most common fault to cause a mast to start going South. So finding the teak intact was a surprise but not a good one because it meant there was something else. The integral water tank we have is built very strongly as is the was with things on a HC but it was never designed to take the load of a mast, not even close. So the fact we had only 5mm holding the starboard side meant there was slight crushing of the teak in that area. This was the 5mm of sag that had always been on that side (since we purchased the boat) the surveyor we had at the time thought it would have been ‘initial settlement’ and just said keep an eye, which we did. The movement we had recently was about 10mm and this was the teak block crushing the tank and sliding slightly towards the middle of the boat. As you could see it was only held in place by about 8mm of glass matting. If it had slipped beyond the strong point of the hull I have no doubt we would have been dismasted. So overall it’s a very good job we chose to pull the mast, fortunately you grossly overestimate the cost!
@jcfgh
@jcfgh 7 месяцев назад
Well done, both! Best wishes
@popsyann
@popsyann 7 месяцев назад
Very captivating episode, as usual. Love it.❤
@rmd1629
@rmd1629 7 месяцев назад
Good to hear you are making progress on this repair, it looks very challenging.
@patriciafuller7860
@patriciafuller7860 7 месяцев назад
Good luck to you both
@KenDavies-qv3fs
@KenDavies-qv3fs 7 месяцев назад
Good video, thanks
@davidsimpson130
@davidsimpson130 7 месяцев назад
Really interesting. Thank you. David
@williamvilesr2258
@williamvilesr2258 7 месяцев назад
mast step problem vary interesting good luck
@jamesmccourt1419
@jamesmccourt1419 7 месяцев назад
Is there any information available on how the area under the mast would have been constructed at the factory? As you said in the video, that piece of teak wasn't to the same standards of craftsmanship as is present in the rest of the boat. On the other hand, the amount of work required to step the mast and remove the post and cover seems like more work than an owner would put in to do something like run a conduit. People sometimes do strange things, though. PS, you two are fantastic. I hope this repair goes well and you are underway again soon.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Hans Christians usually have all the structure components done in the yard In Thailand and then the rigging, electrics etc done elsewhere, & that’s where I think this mess up happened. I think she left the yard with the expectation of a proper cross beam being put in and it just got done really badly.
@rdembow
@rdembow 7 месяцев назад
I would epoxy the teak block for the compression post.
@paulgilliland2992
@paulgilliland2992 7 месяцев назад
Refrigeration lines are not usually pressurized to check integrity. It’s much better to pull a vacuum for a few hours and purge the brazing under nitrogen.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
There’s no way of checking for leaks under vacuum because there’s no gauge. The vacuum just insures there is no air, and therefore moisture in the system, and then you can pressurise with nitrogen to see if it holds pressure on the gauge. If it does you can gas it up knowing there are no leaks. There’s still the possibility of blockages of course like we had in the keel cooler.
@bobmartin914
@bobmartin914 5 месяцев назад
Loving the videos, encouraging for my wife and I! By chance, do you know the make of the champagne/brownish boat to the right of you?
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 5 месяцев назад
I think it was an older Beneteau, it had just had a very nice full respray.
@paulpaul9914
@paulpaul9914 7 месяцев назад
Probably needed to measure at various points between hull &/or floor & deck before & after removing mast to see the extent of the possible movement. Could load the hull up with the acro prop & a cross beam attached to the chain plates. Might be the entire hull flexing some what? Might need a stretched string across inside from hull sides above compress ion post pad point to measure against.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Fortunately the hull is rock solid, they really did overbuild the structure of these boats. The issue is a local one because of a change in the design to fit in a full length tank. It was just a bad not thought through job of how then to support the compression post with a cross beam. Actually quite easy to do as there are super strong points either side, they just failed to key into them. Fortunately it means I can quite easily make this good as you will see in the next video… up to my eyes in epoxy as I write this!
@paulpaul9914
@paulpaul9914 7 месяцев назад
@@svfairisle I'm very much looking forward to seeing the next video. Always expected the compression post to go right down to the keel but of course that's not a given & it depends on the structures involved. The tank is probably of very robust construction, like the rest of the boat & so has been able to almost entirely or partly support the mast loads for many years without complaining too much.
@svsalserenity4375
@svsalserenity4375 7 месяцев назад
Frigoboat used to do that , filter drier on the wrong side , caused a lot of plugged Cap tubes , gave them a bit of a bad name . You are pressure testing with nitrogen ? I prefer to solder . its a little more work but dose not anneal the copper. That may just be a void above your ballast. You always do great videos helping people with useful information.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Yes pressure testing with Nitrogen at 200psi
@craigallardyce4248
@craigallardyce4248 7 месяцев назад
I am excited for your upcoming episode on Starlink. I am debating between the high performance or standard hardware and whether standard works on ocean passages across the Atlantic (if traveling less than 10 mph). I am also a sailor, so
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Yes the high performance flat panel is VERY power hungry, we have friends in the US that have it so I’m going to ask them exactly how much it draws. Everyone we’ve talked to is more than happy with the standard‘dishy’ say it works while sailing and offshore (just opt in to when you intend to use it off shore) our only consent is we haven’t got the worldwide version so will have to register it in the States when we cross so hope that works!
@TK-tf7qn
@TK-tf7qn 7 месяцев назад
I hope you are not fixing something that hasn't been broken! That compression post was so tight. If the mast was really sinking you probably would have seen structural cracks around at the cabin top. That conduit under the teak also doesn't seem to be compressed. I am sure it will be much stronger in the end though.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
The conduit wasn’t but the hydraulic pipes running down the centre we’re starting to get pinched. The teak block on the starboard side was starting the drop towards the centre line of the boat. It was definitely an issue and I’m glad we addressed it. You will see in the next episode!
@SailingSunday
@SailingSunday 7 месяцев назад
Did you drill a hole to disconnect the motor on dish? We are just waiting for ours now and that’s how I was going to do it 😬🤙
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
I will put out a tech video showing it, but yes I drilled a 12mm hole with a Forster bit and pulled the plug for the motor. Do it slow & careful!!
@sveoti
@sveoti 7 месяцев назад
That was a lot of water that came out of the mast. Weep holes plugged? Not sure how you fix this with a tank under the step. Is a new plate with better integration into beams even building up fiberglass steps a possibility?
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
There's one quite large weep hole at the back which I regularly poke I never seems to be blocked but I agree, waters sitting in there somewhere. I've just managed to get a 10mm sheet of G10 so I'm going to lose the teak blocks and build up a glass support on the strong point from the edge of the tank back and into the longitudinal beams.
@sveoti
@sveoti 7 месяцев назад
@@svfairisle To do something similar we built starboard (poly plank) stringer, then using 1708 glass and a pre-wet method, created an entirely new functional strong point. It took forever as there was nowhere for heat to shed, temps were in the 80f range, so slow hardener and a day in between each layer was the rule. You've got this. G10 I think is what you're friends from Greece used when they rebuilt their mast step in Washington, NC.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Just spent a lovely day grinding off gelcoat ready to build a G10 step, it's such a glamorous life!
@tomcobbly8672
@tomcobbly8672 7 месяцев назад
@@svfairisle Interesting notches in the longitudinal beams that don't seem to be doing anything. Could they have originally been used to hang a bracket from and the bracket was removed at some point to make way for the conduit?
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Yes those rebates are a mystery. Obviously not a structural thing they are just for 2x2inch floor supports, but it shows there was a change of plan somewhere along the line. I think the structure was built with the original seperate tanks in mind then the change to a full length tank put a spanner in the works and I think the boat was shipped out of the yard in Thailand without a plan on how step the mast and it just got bodged somewhere else. You can see the teak blocks have been butchered to have the conduit pass through. If that work had been done by the carpenters in Thailand it would have been neat and perfectly cut, not like it was hacked at with an axe!
@chriszanf
@chriszanf 7 месяцев назад
@12:14 along the gunwales, is that pitting or just where the varnish colouring varies? (Sorry - probably adding to your job list!)
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Yes the patching on the toe rail are spots that I’ve touched up in previous years. All needs stripping back and revarnishing now. Was on the job list for this lift but slipped off!
@waterboy8999
@waterboy8999 7 месяцев назад
They must have used the pet Beaver to cut that piece of teak, not very healthy stuff either, I hope he's ok.
@stopthatluca
@stopthatluca 7 месяцев назад
What's a "rowter"? 😆
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Just been to Annapolis, going all American on you!
@stopthatluca
@stopthatluca 7 месяцев назад
@@svfairisle Hahaha - next week aloominum. Sorry, love the channel.
@Frank-E
@Frank-E 7 месяцев назад
Just subscribed to your channel. In the intro, from the top of the mast it looks like some "spikes" sticking up. What are those for? Anti seagull/bird, to prevent lightning or…? Thank you.
@judyaslett6209
@judyaslett6209 7 месяцев назад
Anti bird. I was a real problem the UK. Not so much now.
@Frank-E
@Frank-E 7 месяцев назад
@@judyaslett6209 Thank you. I have the same problem. Might I ask what kind you use? I’m a bit afraid that the metal ones might fall off and hit the deck or something.
@judyaslett6209
@judyaslett6209 7 месяцев назад
ours are metal.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
They were something I got of Amazon. I stuck them on with ‘no more nails’ and they survived 100knot winds in Montenegro and a lot of other storms for the last 6 years. Also they are just metal spikes, the base is plastic, they are actually very light & unlikely to cause damage to the deck I think
@Frank-E
@Frank-E 7 месяцев назад
@@svfairisle Thank you for replying. Would you happen to have a link to the ones you use? Did you just glue them on?
@lvdriver4
@lvdriver4 7 месяцев назад
I'm sure I'm not the first to ask but what are the brown things on your rigging
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
They are called baggywrinkles, they stop sail chafe
@nhojnhoj6767
@nhojnhoj6767 7 месяцев назад
How much have you spent on this yacht?
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Oh thats a calculation that's much too frightening to make!
@gfimadcat
@gfimadcat 7 месяцев назад
More than he wants to admit to in public ;) (source: own my own boat, I never ever even want to start thinking about it because it'll just scare the out of me)
@hansh8071
@hansh8071 7 месяцев назад
It is the same with cars, horses and such, if you are really in to it, the checkbook goes out the window in time 😉
@MaShcode
@MaShcode 7 месяцев назад
It’s like a friend who’s was always asked how long it took to write a poem. He ended up calculating - a lifetime.
@PaulBKal
@PaulBKal 7 месяцев назад
Steve doesn’t know, he doesn’t want to know, he especially doesn’t want Judy to know, and he’s never kept an accounting of it to be able to know, if he’s anything like me!
@hallga2
@hallga2 7 месяцев назад
somethink !!!!?????
@SamuelKTennis
@SamuelKTennis 7 месяцев назад
I figured out what is wrong with your mast... "You do not know how to pronounce Aluminum" says the Yank. "When are they going to properly speak the Queen's English?" he wonders. That is my poor American sense of humor - you ARE the one pronouncing it 'correctly', of course ;-)
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
Well be happy that after a week in Annapolis I somehow gave the American pronunciation of router in that episode. I think it might take a little longer for me to screw up aluminium though! And as for the Caribbean, we’ll Judy has permission to throw me overboard if you guys manage to indoctrinate me with that one!
@SamuelKTennis
@SamuelKTennis 7 месяцев назад
LoL - thank you, so graciously, for your understanding or my backward nature! And, for some reason I pronounce 'decal' 'properly' and to this day spell it 'tyre'.
@SamuelKTennis
@SamuelKTennis 7 месяцев назад
@@svfairisle My grandfather, on my mother's side, American born and raised, worked through the war period and some years after at an Aluminum Fabrication Factory and pronounced till his death the word 'your way' much to our wonderment and entertainment.
@svfairisle
@svfairisle 7 месяцев назад
We stayed with Judys father in New Jersey after the boat show, he’s lived in America for 30 years but still speaks like a Brit but his American wife Jackie still hasn’t picked up all the British words. I was trying to fix the lawnmower when we were there and asked where Mike kept his spanner’s, all I got was a blank look!
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