What's My Line? - Allen Ludden & Betty White; Martin Gabel [panel] (Jun 23, 1963) 

Beautiful comment!

That's right!!

Yes, I would guess she's buried with him.

@@splerth3771, in the same casket?

Absolutely ❤

Absolutely couldn't agree more. We've gone way off track.

One of the panel members was probably murdered because she knew too much about, well, you know.

I would say these shows mean something to older people for nostalgic reasons. They mean almost nothing to young people, and even less to people of color. Almost ZERO blacks, hispanics, Indians, Asians and Muslims. Gosh, I wonder why?

@@JiveDadson - These shows did well because there was no competition, not because they were all that good or even funny. The 3 networks had a monopoly and THEY literally told you what was funny (laugh track).

@@christopherp.hitchens3902 You talking to me?

Agree I know one interview of a question about if she was in heaven. She was waiting for her husband 🥺.

How can you know. Betty was against what God is for I. The Bible. If she followed the Bible no need to wonder because God speaks directly in His word.

@@suestephan3255, and you can prove that, how, exactly? Prove that Betty White went to Hell, how? I am an agnostic and I cannot disprove that or prove it. I also cannot prove or disprove a heaven or hell. But, you are certain. So, let's see your proof. And, if its faith-based proof, where is your proof that faith is more important as a proving tool, than concrete evidence is? Let's see it. If you cannot produce that, then quit being a contrarian, and let these religious folks have their wishful thinking... along side yours.

@@robertsprouse9282 woah I said you can’t be sure. As an agnostic you doubt the Bible but those who believe what God says know what He says. It is really wonderful that the Word of God is straight forward. I am not going to get in to specifics but Betty spoke out against what the Bible teaches. It is not to pick and chose but many do and then it is a different Gospel.

@@suestephan3255, that is true only if CHRISTIANITY IS TRUE. You just assume the sale. In what other parts of your life do you heap not kind words, or praise, or even indifference, but essentially- and you cannot be sure and yet you can be= bible & Christianity- based on NOTHING BUT faith of how you think an issue shakes out, USING THE LATTER only? And, you need to learn that agnostics question yes or no, any religion= belief in a God/god(s). You just seem to say WELL, THE CHRISTIAN GOD AND THE BIBLE are the ONLY ONES that you are questioning because THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES ATTACHED TO A GOD(S).. Yeah, what proof do you have? I think you like categorizing people and then hiding behind convenient institutions so you can feel better about yourself, although you say you're a sinner but you're a redeeeeeemed sinner lol, by putting other people in a box and putting them down not with your ego BUT GAWD ALMIGHTY, JEEEESUS- although, its your ego doing it- but hiding behind a God delivering your desired putdown IS SO MUCH SNEAKIER. I will bet my house that is how you operate. This may come as a shock to you but I do not care for BETTY WHITE'S LIB POLITICS, but to condemn her hiding behind a proxy for my ego, a GOD, is something I am too humble AND HONEST WITH MYSELF, to do, especially, when its my wishful thinking..like YOURS..LIKE..YOUR SUPEREGO'S.. YOUR MOVE..

Twice she had a ‘little help’. But she had a gifted surgeon, who kept the eye lifts very natural.

Imagine Betty’s horror when she sees people twerking on national TV just to get views

@@jessicaqu I think it would be the same as every person who behaves in a dignified manner. One can be very funny without resorting to vulgarity to get noticed.

You said it MB.

@@jessicaqu Amusement can only happen when it's the unexpected exception rather than the rule.

Quite a different scene these days.

She is a class act!! And a sweet human being!

I do believe out of all the people on this show she's the only one a live

@@tonydalejr9035 interesting 🤔

Yes I just looked shes the only one left

@@tonydalejr9035 damn!! 😲😲

Rip

So sad 😞

Ugh...just here to laugh tonite!😭

Im so heartbroken today.

❤️ Betty white: brilliant comedian actress

+Jim Stark Thank you for your thought provoking reply. I can easily see what you mean about who won the battle between Corporations and writers when TV has denigrated to such previously unthinkable lows. Think Duck Dynasty, Honey Boo Boo, and all the rest of the vast wasteland of "Reality shows" which occupy network schedules today Just a handful of examples of rock bottom.

I'm glad that you follow the simple "FOX" answer to everything.

@@markie909 My TV aerial antenna got destroyed by wind over 5 years ago, and I realized there was nothing on TV that I missed, so I never replaced it. I live off-grid on a mountain, so no cable available. I've never seen any of those shows because I only watched PBS and reruns of "Star Trek" and Westerns anyway. RU-vid is WAY better, because I can watch really wonderful shows like this one, any time I want! My Mom loved this show, but I didn't watch it when I was a kid because it would have been "boring" to small children. The other night I was watching WML? and Arlene wore a dress that was IDENTICAL to my Mom's "little black dress" with rhinestones and a silk chiffon cape that I loved so much as a child that I still have it! I know she bought it at Neiman Marcus, I still remember going shopping there with her and she dressed to the nines; hat, gloves, silk stockings, and Estee Lauder perfume. There was a salon where models would show the new dresses to customers as they sat and sipped coffee. I was a quiet child, so I was allowed to be there and it's such a fun memory! I got to dress up too, though I hated the white gloves. I wish I could tell Mom that she was every bit as elegant and lovely in that dress as Arlene was. Mom would be 100 this year if she was still with us.

@@LazyIRanch That was a lovely tribute to your mother! 💝

People had manners, back then! Before they came out in public or appeared on T.V., there were rules to appearing, in the public! They all were very professional! Betty White, is still Beautiful! She turned 99 years old on 1/15/21; which was 2 days ago! Whatever her secret is, I want it! ❤🏖❤😅

Kilgallen was a racist

And, they took Geratol everyday. Their hubbies thought they'd keep 'em.

@@dontlookback3549, was co-producer of AMOS AND ANDY? Or, did you see her at the Klan meeting?

No. They were OF their time. Likely born in the 20s, came of age during the want of the dirty 30s (when most had to roll up their sleeves and do any job that they could find just to eat) and then likely worked at traditionally male-dominated jobs during WW2. The 50s were full of these fabulous, smart and self-sufficient ladies but today, we constantly have Marilyn Monroe shoved in our faces - we don't see the full picture. Ironically, it was during the 60s that women were depicted as weak and silly (when feminism was making its big comeback), not the 50s. Watch 50s episodes of WML and see how many women judges, ditch diggers, Doctors, electricians, politicians etc they present.

@@rosepearl7092, Bingo!!..They always want to say that women would just let men run all over them back then. That aint the household I grew up in. Both my late stepmom and still alive half sister had big, harpy mouths. My late Grandma, EVA SPROUSE raised me from 2 and a half to 5 and would on foot if she couldn't get a cab, walk three miles into town every day and sometimes back, to work at the bus station in Pittsburg, TX., at first full-time in her 60's, and then part-time all the way up into her 80's so she wouldn't lose her Social Security. She lived to be 95. My biological mother who abandoned me to her friend out in California where I was born in the '50's, was a feisty old person who I did not see from 2.5 to 53 and worked in a casino as a waitress for decades. These so-called feminists post-1970, think they invented the strong, independent woman the female who would not take guff from a man, or anyone. Lol, what a bunch of crap.

Her one regret she said is the year she kept him waiting while trying to decide to marry him. She wasted a year of their life together.

George Burns said something similar. When asked if he would marry, he replied: "I've done that." Meaning once & forever. To our beloved Gracie.

Although I know now, I never knew that she was married and divorced twice; and that Allen Ludden was her third husband. I can see why she kept saying no to him. She probably didn't want to go through another divorce. But in the long run, she ended up marrying him. And they stayed together for 18 years before he died of cancer in 1981.

I didn't know that Arlene Francis was married before. I thought Martin Gabel was her only husband.

Daria Wells ~ Betty has said that she has had her share of male "companionship" since Ludden's death, so it is NOT as though she had stayed totally "true" to what she termed "the best". She simply chose to play the field & NOT marry for a fourth time.

Thanks for this wonderful comment-- they were a couple for the ages, all right. :)

One of my favorite Betty White moments was on Inside the Actors' Studio, when she was asked what she would like God to say to her when she went to Heaven and she said "Come on in, here's Allen". It was so sweet.

Allen Ludden even wore an engagement ring around his neck. And he was going to keep wearing it until Betty White said yes to him.

Kelly02895 awww...is that on youtube?? I never saw her on it when I had tv!

Nan Fagan sweet! Funny...I don’t remember that making it into her book!

Betty is a real looker in this clip. Hot women like her are just getting warmed up around age 40. That doll face of hers could make me do just about anything.

J Riley And she was already 41. Crazy.

Always cute!

J Riley you should see her in the uniform she wore for the service at about 19! GORGEOUS! It’s in one of her books!

@gcjerryusc That would be a tough one to choose between those two ladies! Both stunning.

If they weren't as happy a couple as they seemed to be, I don't want to know about it! It's all too rare to see a couple-- and I think most folks would put Arlene and Martin Gable in the same category-- that appears to be such a perfect, seamless match for one another.

+What's My Line? I agree with the assessment and the comparison of the two couples. And it is interesting how similar in personality Arlene and Betty are.

Betty white biography

I grew up during this era and watched this show every Sunday night. IT was brilliant. The panel's brains were fabulous.

That's because this show was broadcast live for most of its run. Not every episode was live during this era of the show, but this particular episode was. If it were pre-taped, Johnny Olson (the announcer) would have said so during the credits.

@@esalomon1820 Too bad Dorothy Kilgallen, also an investigative reporter, and mother of young children, was said to have ODed after a show on her normal sleeping pill before she could release her research on JFK. She was maybe too brilliant.

I liked... Dorothy....so Much!! She was my favorite player!!!!Really do miss Dorothy!!Such A Beautiful kind Lady!!

@@kmgirl1967 I also miss that beautiful lady. She was ahead of her time as a truly great journalist and reporter and writer. She was in a male dominated business and rose to the top. Wonder what really happened that strange night to end in her death. So sad

I was just thinking the same thing. Arlene seems like such a sweet person.

That’s tragic. 😢

@@lisahill6165 It's amazing that he lived 32 years with cancer when treatments were so primitive back then.

And now forever together.

Betty made aging something to embrace without fear.

Margaret McGloin might have something to say about Betty reuniting with Allen. Margaret was Allen's first wife and the mother of three of his children. Margaret died of cancer in '61.

same here. you don't see class like this on TV anymore.

That was a priceless moment. She also says, "Yes!" And then when Allen starts to take her to task, she replies with an innocent look, "Well he asked me!" She knew exactly what everyone was thinking when she said "Yes", and yet there was nothing lewd in her remark.

poetcomic1 😉👍🏼

@@loissimmons6558 I read Betty could be bawdy.

@@m.e.d.7997 Indeed!

@@loissimmons6558 But not vulgar; she had a nice "bawdy" LOL

But I have to agree, he sounded so much like Ed. Wynn.

I do

Why Not?

Only a demented, sick person would NOT love Betty! I would feel sorry for such a lost soul.

Troglodyte - Wasn't he good looking? And so nice.

Well... if Betty gets to see Allen again, and there's no evidence for that, she might find that he's now with his first wife, Margaret McGloin, who died of cancer.

@@MrEdwardCollins Or maybe he's already reincarnated. 🤷‍♀️

Yes! She is and soo funny

She died December 31 2021

Yes, here in England, one of the biggest sporting names ever.

She's with Allen Ludden now

paid money to play soccer... no understatement there... ?

This was three years earlier though. They didn’t have a crystal ball.

Betty said that Allen was the love of her life.

And Betty got hers just 6 days ago

@@colleen4ever they’re together. According to her personal assistant, who was at her side, Betty’s last word was “Allen.” She already knew he was waiting for her as she transitioned. ❤️

In fact, Allen Ludden was married to both of his wives for 18 years.

@@Lisa-di1wi but only consecutively

Was she holding her right arm at her waist for a reason?

@@SpartanGyrl08 Her arm was in a sling following an automobile accident a month prior to this.

Yes, I noticed that as well, Debbie. Whereas Dorothy just sat there like a dullard, unsmiling and appearing unimpressed by the newlyweds. Her own marriage to Richard was by this time an unhappy one.

She still is!

It's fairly rare to see someone on this show that is still alive let alone still active. Betty White is one of those rarities.

So was Betty White.

They are both so adorable!

It's sad, but she's with Allen now

Me too. I still love this show too (and Password)

Sadly she passed away today

I’m sorry to hear that

I like the pun, “BACK then it was unusual “

she died yesterday too soon😭

If only she had made it 17 more days

Like a sleep rebook you the guys flash in the face with some coffee!

Lois, Tom Teriffic passed away today . Roberto Clemente once said that they should insist Tom Seaver Pitch from 2nd base...

@@dcasper8514 I know that we had been talking baseball, but it is interesting that you would bring up Seaver's death in reply to a soccer comment. Here's the connection. Long time NYC sportswriter Dick Young was regularly writing about how greedy Seaver was for wanting more money. Seaver was on the verge of signing a contract extension when an unattributed article (but clearly with Young's style and fingerprints on it) claimed that it was Nancy Seaver who was pushing her husband to push for more money because she was jealous of Ruth Ryan (Nolan's wife) because Nolan making more than Tom. That article got Seaver so disgusted with NY that he pulled back from the new contract and demanded to be traded. Young was a great sportswriter for much of his career, but he grew more and more hypocritical over the years. He claimed to be for the American Way, free enterprise, etc., but somehow didn't think it was the right of players to partake of that same system. He also hated soccer because it wasn't an American game. He would poke fun at soccer's lack of popularity and importance whenever he got the chance. There is a story about Pele being signed by the Cosmos and being introduced during a baseball game in NYC (I am pretty sure it was at Shea) to a thunderous ovation. Young was livid that he was shown up. Regarding Seaver and Clemente, I found an article on Mets blog written 10 years ago on the 38th anniversary of Clemente's death. It mentioned that the Mets and Pirates played a double header with Clemente needing just one more hit to reach 3000. Seaver held him hitless in the opener, pitching a two-hitter against the Pirates. Clemente got #3000, the final hit of his career, in game two against Jon Matlack. (I was a junior at Cornell at the time and I don't recall watching either of those games.) The article also gave Clemente's slash line against Seaver: .242/.277/.355 line in 65 PA. Certainly those are not typical numbers for Clemente, but it was HOF vs HOF so that would be expected. I was listening to both the Yankee and Mets broadcast of the Subway Series game between the two teams this afternoon. The Mets announcers mentioned that Rick Monday had the most homers against Seaver of any player (11). He also hit .349 (30 hits in 86 at bats) against Seaver. Apparently Monday and Seaver were teammates in an Alaskan summer league for collegiate player. They encountered each other for the first time in the majors at the 1968 All Star Game, specifically in the hotel lobby prior to the game. Seaver promised Monday and his mother that if he faced Rick during the game, he would throw him one fast ball down the middle. As it turned out, Monday faced Seaver in the 8th inning with Seaver protecting a 1-0 lead and a runner on second. Seaver broke off a wicked curve ball on the first pitch with Monday expecting a room service fast ball. Monday ended up striking out to end the inning and the NL went on to hold onto that 1-0 lead the rest of the way. Monday left the field after his at bat yelling at Seaver that he lied to his mother. Seaver just laughed in response. And do you remember the rather average player who for some reason hit way above his normal stats against Seaver? I'm thinking of Phillies first baseman Tommy Hutton. Hutton had come out of the Dodger organization, an excellent fielder and average hitter. The Dodgers already had Wes Parker with similar credentials so they traded him to Philadelphia. Against Seaver in 62 PA, Hutton hit .320 with 11 walks and 3 of his 22 career major league home runs (1919 career PA).