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Welcome, me hearties, to another episode of Words Unravelled. In this edition, Rob and Jess discuss nautical terms and pirate slang.
💩 What's so poopy about a poop deck?
🏴‍☠️ What does it mean to "shiver" someone's timbers?
⚓️ Which English idioms come from the high seas?
Find out in Words Unravelled!
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==LINKS==
Video about nautical idioms that Rob mentioned: • 8 Sailing Expressions ...
Rob's RU-vid channel: / robwords
Jess' Useless Etymology blog: uselessetymology.com/
Rob on X: x.com/robwordsyt
Jess on TikTok: tiktok.com/@jesszafarris
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@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
Rob here! Two things: 1) I suggested the poop deck was at the bow of the ship. It's at the stern. 2) I keep saying "boat" when naval types will point out it should be "ship". Apologies. Three strikes, and I be walking the plank.
@AhoyGame
@AhoyGame 17 дней назад
Funnily enough, the crew would stick their booties over the bow to poop into the sea. No connection at all to the poopdeck, or any toilet paper sheets to the wind, but a fun fact 😂
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
@@AhoyGame Good tip for the next time I'm on the Channel ferry. R
@HughCStevenson1
@HughCStevenson1 17 дней назад
Getting "pooped" on an old ship was to have a wave from a following sea crash onto the poop deck and sometimes flood the ship...
@steeveletur1983
@steeveletur1983 17 дней назад
In French there's a similar word: poupe referring to the back of the ship. The front is called the proue.
@flamencoprof
@flamencoprof 17 дней назад
@@steeveletur1983 English "prow".
@tomray8765
@tomray8765 17 дней назад
The POOP DECK is the deck at the STERN of the ship. The deck in the front is the fo'castle (Fore Castle) the elevated portion of the deck at the bow.
@derekclements5682
@derekclements5682 День назад
Originally Fore castle and after castle as mediaeval ships built like castles so bowmen could shoot down.
@ianchristian7949
@ianchristian7949 17 дней назад
Every time Rob says boat when he means ship hundreds of sailors are shouting at the screen!
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv 13 дней назад
Ahem, slang.
@strangerdanger8462
@strangerdanger8462 12 дней назад
I think that's standard talk for sailors. I even once heard a naval officer refer to a sub as a boat😂
@wilsonfamily1762
@wilsonfamily1762 7 дней назад
a ship needs 3 masts... else it's a boat.
@docclabo6350
@docclabo6350 4 дня назад
@@wilsonfamily1762 No, else it is a brig, brigantine, bark/barque, barkentine/barquentine, schooner, et cetera, et cetera. Incidentally, a ship must also be square-rigged. In modern parlance, a ship is a large commercial or military vessel. The term "ship" no more applies to a square rigger, in this day and age, than "frigate" or "sloop" do.
@BjorckBengt
@BjorckBengt 4 дня назад
@@docclabo6350 A ship is at least 24 meters of length. However a U-boat is always a boat.
@R08Tam
@R08Tam 16 дней назад
Hilarious watching Rob blush as he explained the current meaning of "to roger".
@georgefrench1907
@georgefrench1907 16 дней назад
He also blushed at “booty.”
@SimonWillig
@SimonWillig 13 дней назад
@@georgefrench1907 Rob starts blushing as soon as he sees Jess 😍
@plateoshrimp9685
@plateoshrimp9685 17 дней назад
Doing the parrot voice was the right choice in my opinion.
@ianhadley492
@ianhadley492 17 дней назад
There are so many more ... Three square meals a day - British sailors ate their meals off square wooden trays. Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey - cannon balls were stored on brass monkeys, brass and iron contract at different rates as the temperature drops. Flotsam and Jetsam - Flotsam: debris from a shipwreck Jetsam: debris deliberately jettisoned. In the Doldrums - the area of sea close to the equator where often the wind is lacking -ships are often "be stilled". Pipe down - Signal from the boson's pipe for the sailors to retire below decks to their hammocks.
@Nastyswimmer
@Nastyswimmer 17 дней назад
The "brass monkeys" bit has been debunked. "square meals" possibly debunked too.
@finndriver1063
@finndriver1063 17 дней назад
Brass monkey likely does not derive from this, the wikipedia page has a section. It instead probably came from literal small brass monkey ornaments that were popular souvenirs in the 19c/20c. Square simply has an old meaning of even or solid. It's just like saying 'a good meal'; nothing to do with tray shapes. Jetsam is a nice one because it comes from the same origin as 'jettison', meaning to throw overboard. 'In the doldrums' meant being in a slump before it pertained to sailing. Deriving from 'dull', it just means that spirits are low and there is nothing exciting happening, and then a misunderstanding probably led to people misinterpreting windless areas as being 'the Doldrums'.
@kh23797
@kh23797 17 дней назад
@ianhadley492 ... I suffered a similar fate here last time... Years ago, pre-web, many urban myths had fact status. A 1960s book confidently asured me newspapers originally had N, E, W and S printed on the page margins like compass points. Maybe someone did that as a gimmick, but it wasn't the origin. Confident but erroneous word origins abounded--and we believed them. With more scholarship brought to bear, old assumptions teeter and fall. I'm scared to quote anything definitively. Even Robb often starts these comments with a correcting paragraph. Like good scientists, we have to bough to new findings and abandon our old theories.
@uesbob
@uesbob 17 дней назад
The devil to pay .. .. Longest seam in the keel of a boat is the devil. Pay comes from pitch -- to put pitch and oakum in the seams.
@Nastyswimmer
@Nastyswimmer 16 дней назад
@@uesbob Not quite - the devil was the seam between the edge of the deck and the hull (hence also "between the devil and the deep blue sea"). Wooden hulls flexed a lot so the caulking in the devil would work loose and need replacing frequently. The full saying is "the devil to pay and only half a bucket of tar.
@goldwinger5434
@goldwinger5434 17 дней назад
The directional line on a nautical compass is called the "lubber line."
@DopeSauceBenevolence
@DopeSauceBenevolence 17 дней назад
Rob we still say “toe the line” in the military today - usually at 4am when you just want to sleep.
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
Cool!
@ahwhite1398
@ahwhite1398 16 дней назад
Happy to hear it's still in use today. I recall it well from the 1980s, but most of what I recall from the era is ancient history today. The equipment is pretty much all just in museums, and sometimes I think I should be.
@RobertStoddard
@RobertStoddard 16 дней назад
My favorite is "leeway" -- the allowance a navigator must make because the wind will push the boat off its point of sail towards the leeward (downwind) side. Thus you must set a point of sail more upwind to actually hit your mark, and the correction you make to your point of sail is called leeway.
@enscroggs
@enscroggs 6 дней назад
And every sailing ship has its own leeway, even though built to the same design.
@JohnSmith-dt1tw
@JohnSmith-dt1tw 17 дней назад
Saying you went to uni with Tom Scott is an excellent namedrop!
@tabitha2706
@tabitha2706 17 дней назад
Fore and aft are directional. Bow and stern relate to the physical part of the ship that is there. Hope that makes sense
@paulgracey4697
@paulgracey4697 17 дней назад
You left out the Head. Sailors going to the head, were going to the most forward part of the ship to relieve themselves. The poop is the deck above a cabin, which is generally at the rear. A quick Google search says it comes from the French La Poupe or stern. Another cabin on old ships was in the crews quarters in the forecastle (pronounced foc'sle and is all the way forward. To go to the head is to climb over the foc'sle into the chains where flushing sprays of seawater are quite regularly experienced. Bear in mind there was no toilet paper in those days:)
@colinp2238
@colinp2238 17 дней назад
The forecastle is from the medieval times when the front of the ship was like a Fort where the sailors would fight. Look at old engravings of medieval ships and it is obvious.
@Siansonea
@Siansonea 17 дней назад
The word _foc's'le_ actually is a rare contraction with two apostrophes.
@azoic6
@azoic6 17 дней назад
Coincidentally, the head is where I go to think!
@colinp2238
@colinp2238 17 дней назад
@@azoic6 Think or stink or both?
@grahamcuthbert783
@grahamcuthbert783 16 дней назад
Hope there was some soap and a towel!!
@ellentronicmistress4969
@ellentronicmistress4969 7 дней назад
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the word 'leeway' meaning to give someone a certain amount of freedom, apparantly comes from the nautical term 'leeway' meaning heo drift of a ship away from the wind, or leeward.
@lizardofoz4954
@lizardofoz4954 17 дней назад
In Spanish a 'corsario' is someone who carried a 'patente de corso', which is the letter that showed they had authorization to act as a privateer. In English I think the 'patente de corso' is called a called 'letter of marque'
@ahwhite1398
@ahwhite1398 16 дней назад
I really thought they'd go there... they never really addressed that term, merely mentioned it.
@edryba4867
@edryba4867 11 дней назад
Rob!! I wanted to tell you how I’m enjoying this series just as much as I enjoy Robwords. These videos are just so much fun for a person like myself who was once a Radio DJ, and HAD to be funny on the air! It was my job to play the current hits, but there were a dozen signals that found their way into the market where I was the #1 Josh Dickey in the “afternoon drive” time slot. In fact, the ratings showed that for every listener my competition had, I HAD TWO! In order to pull off a feat like that, one cannot merely play current records. Being good with the language was rather vital, and YOU are out to beat the other stations when there were multiple other stations playing EXACTLY THE SAME MUSIC AS I WAS! Therefore, your facility with the language had everything to do with whether YOU won in the ratings. So, to be able to sound clever on the air, the better you were with the language, the better chance YOU had to be funnier than the next guy. And it was always fun to pretend there was a picture the audience could see (“Oh…I wanted to show you this…” as though you actually could. Silly and fun. By keeping it a mystery as to what was going to happen next, it made the whole thing MUCH more fun for both myself and my listeners!
@siener
@siener 17 дней назад
My favorite unexpectedly nautical etymology is the Afrikaans word for kitchen, kombuis. It's the Dutch word for galley. The theory is that Europeans who learned Dutch on ships on their way to Cape Town came to know the place where the food is made as the "kombuis", so they started using it as the word for kitchen.
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
Fantastic! Thanks for this.
@WayneKitching
@WayneKitching 17 дней назад
I'd love for @RobWords to try to pronounce "kombuis."
@sprrwprnts
@sprrwprnts День назад
Russian nautical terms are predominantly of Dutch origin bc Peter the Great learned seafaring in the Netherlands. Kombuis in the form of 'kambuz' is widely used in the contemporary Russian.
@amym.4823
@amym.4823 17 дней назад
It was fascinating to see how many different shades of red Rob's face can take on.☺️
@KCMoe
@KCMoe 17 дней назад
Well, "Boy Howdy!', I've finally found my people. Having such a fun and informative vehicle for etymology makes me as happy as a gopher in soft dirt. Thank you both for your time, effort, and energy devoted to Words Unravelled.
@davidbradshaw1203
@davidbradshaw1203 16 дней назад
Dear Rob and Jess, That was most enjoyable. As a lapsed amateur sailor and lifelong pedant, I offer the following. There are two bows on a ship or boat, port and starboard. They are the metaphorical shoulders of the vessel. One can stand in the bows of the ship but there is no such thing as the bow. There is however a stem and a prow. The ship's toilet is called the heads, not the head. Probably derived from the forward projecting heads (or ends) of the longitudinal hull beams, forward of the prow. A refreshing and hygienic place to "crimp off a length", offering a natural bidet effect in choppy seas but not for the faint-hearted in rough weather. Aft is an adverb, as is forward (pron. forrad). One might move or look aft or forward but the adjectives are after and fore, as in fore hatch and after deck (and see poop). Sadly I have advanced and lost this argument several times in my career as an aerospace engineer when for example, my nomenclature of "after galley" has been rejected in favour of the newspeak "aft galley". It makes my blood boil. There are many nautical terms used in aviation. Modern leisure sailors frequently use the term "to be pooped" when a following breaking wave (and cf. French "vague") fills their cockpit with green water. I don't think "port" has anything to do with cutting holes in the side of one's vessel (that is the enemy's job). In common modern usage is the phrase "port side" as in "We'll come alongside (the quay) port side to.". Occam's razor insists that this is the derivation. Coming alongside a stone quay steer-board side would risk expensive damage. The union jack is the union flag flown from the jack staff of one of His Majesty's vessels. Athwartships is indeed a lovely word and means across the ship. The plank upon which one rests one booty whilst rowing a dinghy is known as a thwart. The bitts in timber vessels are a stout pair of posts in the bows to which the end of an anchor or mooring rode is attached. Hence to reach the bitter end was to have used all of your available mooring cable/rode/warp/chain: indicative of a precarious situation with no further options. A sheet is a line (rope is the material, line refers to the function) used to control the leeward (pron. loo-ard) side of a sail, pulling it to the correct angle to the wind. A square sail would have a line attached to each bottom corner. When attempting to make to windward, the one on the leeward side would act as the sheet. If the vessel (perhaps with the crew under a Bacchanalian influence) inadvertently went about (tacked or gybed) and the lines previously known as sheets were not released in favour of their athwartships counterparts, the sails would go aback, leading to loss of way and possible damage to sails and rigging. Hence the phrase "sheets to the wind". BTW one definition of a ship is a vessel with three masts. Shiver, sliver and maybe splinter: from the same root do you think? A book which I am certain you would enjoy is "The Boat-owner's Practical Dictionary" by Denny Desoutter the founding editor of Practical Boat Owner magazine. Interestingly, he anglicised his name from his native French Denis, presumably to appeal to the linguaphobic British market. Good luck in finding a copy. Many thanks for all you do. Best regards and good evening, Dave.
@indetigersscifireview4360
@indetigersscifireview4360 6 дней назад
I'm going to disagree with you on bow and head. Both are used in the U.S. Navy to mean, the forward most part of the ship and the ships toilet respectively. I have heard the word prow but not in typical use in the U.S. Navy. Of course other navies and other types of sailors will use the language differently. So not trying to start an argument. I'm just pointing out that the language is malleable.
@davidbradshaw1203
@davidbradshaw1203 5 дней назад
@@indetigersscifireview4360 Indeed, languages continually evolve and diverge like Darwinian species. American vs. British English is a case in point, in usage, pronounciation and spelling. Vive la difference! I have no military naval background but I speak British English. I imagine though that Royal Navy sailors visiting an American warship would still refer to your head as the heads and your bow as the bows. Are there any RN chaps out there reading this that can corroborate this? Best regards and wishing you fair winds from the other side of the Atlantic. Dave.
@ScotCampbell
@ScotCampbell 14 дней назад
My mother was born and raised in Alberta, Canada in the 1920s. When I was young, she used to call me a Scallywag when I was doing something impish. I don't recall hearing the word since my childhood. Thanks for brining back some fond memories!
@doratheexplorer1184
@doratheexplorer1184 9 дней назад
In Ireland, scallywag was/is often used for naughty/mischievous children. I would tell my dogs they were a scallywag for naughty/mischievous behaviour. I definitely heard/used the word a lot here. I honestly thought it was an Irish thing.
@enscroggs
@enscroggs 6 дней назад
5:21 I favor the theory that port for left comes from the side of the ship that's next to the dock. One can grasp the logic by studying the details of Viking ships, which survive today thanks to ship burials from the 8th century. The rudder or "steer board" of a Viking ship is attached to the hull by way of a cunningly crafted ball-and-socket joint carved entirely from wood. It's obvious that the rudder was both vital and expensive. The ship was uncontrollable without it, and not everyone had the skill and tools to construct it. Compared to the hull the steer-board was fragile. It needed to be protected. Consequently, no Viking captain worthy of the rank would tie up his ship so that the steer-board could impact the pier. Thus the left side of the ship was the side always next to the pier when docked. Port as in "door" doesn't make sense as a name for the left side of a ship because early vessels like Viking ships had no doors or portholes. To load or unload the ship, just step over the gunnels.
@IanKemp1960
@IanKemp1960 15 дней назад
I grew up surrounded by naval slang, without knowing. When I moved to another city I found it odd that people couldn't understand my vocab, for example: gash (garbage), scran, grog, ditch (throw something out), chit, buffer, oppo, come adrift, etc.
@stephenmcgaughey8682
@stephenmcgaughey8682 9 дней назад
In Canada, a few decades ago, we started a one-dollar coin nicknamed "a Looney." It was named after a type of duck in the design. Later, a two-dollar coin was introduced which people the "DubLoony."
@steveknight878
@steveknight878 17 дней назад
'Sheet' is a rope with a very specific purpose - it is the rope that is attached to the free end of a sail, and it controls how taught the sail is, which way it is set. I was very confused when you talked about the poop deck being at the bow of the ship. All the poop decks I ever heard of were at the stern. There are so many phrases we have that are derived from sailing and seamanship - you covered quite a few. Others include "swinging the lead" (hanging around doing nothing much), not enough room to swing a cat, tip top and Bristol fashion and so on. How about "thwart" and "athwart"? A thwart is a seat on a (usually small) boat that is set across the beam of the boat (which reminds me of the phrase "broad in the beam"), and is also a verb - to spoil someone's plans. Broadside on, of course, is another phrase. Hull down - for something going away from you. Come about. Belay that. Splice the main brace. Heading in the right direction. Keelhaul. On your beam ends. Careen (careening around). And so many more.
@amym.4823
@amym.4823 17 дней назад
And batten down the hatches, meaning to get ready for a storm or a trying experience
@markhamstra1083
@markhamstra1083 10 дней назад
I’ve never seen an educated sail, no matter how taut. And “hull down” doesn’t mean a relative direction of sail, but rather that the vessel is far enough away that its hull is below the horizon even though its masts and perhaps other elements of its topsides are still visible - it’s a curvature of the earth thing that can also be extended to things like tanks in reverse slope deployments where only the turret is visible over the crest of a hill.
@steveknight878
@steveknight878 10 дней назад
@@markhamstra1083 Ha - yes, mistype, of course - I meant taut sail. And I know what hull down means, but perhaps didn't describe it well.
@JiveDadson
@JiveDadson 8 дней назад
Helm's alee!
@scattygirl1
@scattygirl1 12 дней назад
These two work so well together- lovely conversation.
@lesleyhahn8682
@lesleyhahn8682 16 дней назад
I love the "etymology" that can be gleaned from my favorite line in sitcom history. Buccaneer as interpreted in 3rd Rock From The Sun. When Dick is at a Halloween party dressed as a pirate and someone asks him where his buccaneers are. Right here, under my buckin' hat! I know, old joke taking several forms, but they got away with it on TV and that floated my boat.
@wevans3239
@wevans3239 23 часа назад
Rob and Jess, this was an excellent presentation. Seafaring has indeed been a major influence on world culture. Other words you might consider in a future video are: mast, oar, oarlock, galley, strake, bulwark, sheer, head, gunwales, brass monkey, beat to quarters, clew, related to your previously duscussed bitter end, sheet bend, keel, keelage, keelhaul, eight bells, and of course astern where the poop deck is, and ship's wash or wake.
@TheLoneHaranger
@TheLoneHaranger 17 дней назад
Best nautical movie in my library, "Yellowbeard"! Love the joke, Why are pirates pirates? 'Cause they aaaarrrgghhh! 😅
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
A classic
@nbell63
@nbell63 17 дней назад
(I knew I'd come across 'larboard' before!) He was thoughtful and grave-but the orders he gave Were enough to bewilder a crew. When he cried "Steer to starboard, but keep her head larboard!" What on earth was the helmsman to do? - Fit the Second, the Bellman's Speech - Lewis Carroll "The Hunting of the Snark" (1876).
@barrymcdonald16
@barrymcdonald16 16 дней назад
Also in Tennysons "The Lotos Eaters".... We have had enough of action, and of motion we, Roll'd to starboard, roll'd to larboard, when the surge was seething free,
@indetigersscifireview4360
@indetigersscifireview4360 6 дней назад
I have heard the term larboard used in some old movie it TV show as well. Maybe an Erol Flynn movie?
@TullyViewer
@TullyViewer 17 дней назад
Port also means "carry" or "transport", so we're back to "loading side".
@ahwhite1398
@ahwhite1398 16 дней назад
Porter. Portage. Portable.
@simonmoorcroft1417
@simonmoorcroft1417 14 дней назад
Strictly speaking 'porter' and 'port' derives from the Latin 'portus' meaning a 'doorway'. It then came into French language and into English via the Normans. A porter was originally a slave that guarded the doorway of a villa and accepted arriving goods. Thus a sea port is a 'doorway to the sea'. Up until the early 1800's British and English-speaking mariners would call the left side of a vessel the 'larboard' and the right side of the vessel the starboard. This derives from the Old Norse 'Lackboard' and 'Steerboard'. Because the steering oar was traditional placed on the right side and the left side 'lacked' one. 'Port' did not come into common nautical use until the late 1700' or early 1800's. I suspect this is because large vessels by this time were commonly equipped with an 'entry port' or doorway in the hull at the main deck level that made boarding the vessel easier for women and civilians in general. Certainly it was expected that true 'Jack tars' would climb the side to the upper bulwark rather than use the 'port' which was reserved for 'land lubbers' , Ladies and Admirals. Tradition meant that the left side of vessel was set to the dock or landward. Thus the 'entry port' was always on the left. This entry port is clearly visible on HMS Victory in Portsmouth Naval Dockyard. ' So 'Port' only came into common use to mean 'left' in the 1800's and is probably linked to the very large high-sided Warships and 'Indiamen' of the period and the frequent passenger transports between the UK and India in the post-Napoleonic War expansion of the British Empire.
@michelleeden2272
@michelleeden2272 8 дней назад
Port is passed to the left, and Starbucks is passed in the mall.
@indetigersscifireview4360
@indetigersscifireview4360 6 дней назад
As in portage, specifically meaning to take a boat out of the water of a river when it becomes too rough, then carry it to a place where the river is calm.
@danamunkelt3276
@danamunkelt3276 10 дней назад
Great work. A few notes: my Slovak friends also use "ahoy", in the same sense. A "poop deck" is at the stern, from French/Latin. A timber can be properly shivered by a cannonball. Regarding "port" and "starboard", a rudder mounted to starboard could be damaged if that side were put against a dock, hence keep the other side towards the port.
@DanSolo871
@DanSolo871 15 дней назад
What’s most enjoyable is how nerdy you two get when discussing English language history. 😊
@TravelsWithBert
@TravelsWithBert 17 дней назад
Living in Malaysia some years ago, a passenger in my car told me to "gostan." I asked him what that meant in English and he somewhat indignantly said "that is English." It's a shortened version of go astern - a phrase which Malaysians always use instead of go backwards. [paul]
@WaterShowsProd
@WaterShowsProd 16 дней назад
That's interesting. A friend of mine from Myanmar was learning English from a Burmese teacher, here in Bangkok. One day she asked me if "overmorrow" was a real world. I was about to say no, but decided to do a quick search, and discovered that it's a word that hasn't been published in English Dictionaries since 1914 as it had fallen out of favour. It comes from the German Ubermorgen, and, quite logically, means "the day after tomorrow". I found it interesting that this fossil word had survived from the former empire. No doubt Malaysia has some similar words that survived. I've been trying to get people to revive "overmorrow" as we never replaced it with a single word.
@AhoyGame
@AhoyGame 17 дней назад
One correction - "Poop" or rather, the poopdeck is actually at the rear. It's foreward equivalent could be considered the forecastle, pronounced fo'c'sle :)
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
Ah, got it! Thanks. I like "forecastle". Rob
@RNS_Aurelius
@RNS_Aurelius 17 дней назад
There's an inn called Fo'c'sle in Oblivion on a ship
@alandyer910
@alandyer910 16 дней назад
Puppis is a constellation in the southern Milky Way that is the stern of the ship Argo Navis, which used to be a single constellation but was broken up in the 1700s into Puppis, Carina the Keel, Vela the Sails, and Pyxis the Compass.
@Tram235
@Tram235 17 дней назад
Cat out of the bag refers to removing the cat o’ nine tails before flogging. 12:45
@rogermiller2159
@rogermiller2159 17 дней назад
Yikes
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv 13 дней назад
I read it refers to opening a bag expecting a pig bought from market and discovering it is a (less desirable) cat instead. "Let the cat out of the bag" means to reveal a secret or deception.
@michelleeden2272
@michelleeden2272 8 дней назад
@@CliffSedge-nu5fv I bought a pig in a poke, but my husband let the cat out of the bag and beat me with it nine times.
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 15 дней назад
A nautical term in wide common use is "aboveboard," which means 'honest." It's from the practice of pirate crews hiding below the gunwales (sideboards) of their ship as they approached another ship to maintain the advantage of surprise. Law-abiding crews had no reason to conceal themselves when in view of another ship; they were all "aboveboard."
@oftenlucid
@oftenlucid 12 дней назад
I LOVE these! Thank you. By and Large is a nautical phrase, according to the interwebs I spoke to. When you are sailing closed hauled, or as close to the wind as you can, you are sailing "By the wind" When you are sailing down wind, you put out all your sails and are "Sailing large". So, "By and large" means "generally", or every point of sail.
@wevans3239
@wevans3239 День назад
There is also the word Coal scuttle, which was a small coal bin kept near a fireplace or stove, from which one replenished coals or anthracite in the fireplace.
@DrakeN-ow1im
@DrakeN-ow1im 14 дней назад
"Three sheets to the wind" when one of the sails of a four armed windmill is loosed and the whole of the timber built edifice wobbles from the lack of symmetry.
@michelleeden2272
@michelleeden2272 8 дней назад
Yes, that's correct, but such disasters only happen when the miller is drunk.
@DrakeN-ow1im
@DrakeN-ow1im 7 дней назад
@@michelleeden2272 ...or when a strong wind has ripped the 'sheet' off the frame.
@Fadamor
@Fadamor 13 дней назад
24:10 The line on a compass indicating straight ahead (and where you should reading your heading) is called the "lubber('s) line" - supposedly to make reading a compass easier to read for the nautically challenged (a.k.a. "lubbers").
@TinkersTales
@TinkersTales 8 дней назад
As a child i though a land-lubber, was 'land lover' and 'Cut of your jib' was 'cut of your jip' (joke or humour) and later 'jut og your jig' as a reference to a jig that holds timber as you cut it. In Australia 'savvy' can refer to a skill, or cunning "She is savvy with a sewing machine" or "She is savvy in these situations"
@BlaiddLove
@BlaiddLove 16 дней назад
Scupper! The holes in the side rails that allow water to drain from the deck are called Scuppers. They can be blocked with Scupper plates to keep fish or small children from falling off the deck. To Scupper means to spoil something or discard something.
@euansb7752
@euansb7752 3 дня назад
There's a rich tradition of 'Jackspeak' - sailor slang - in the UK. One that's always stuck with me is the expression 'getting off at Fratton'. Fratton is the last train station before Portsmouth Docks and the phrase is a euphemism for Coitus Interruptus.
@ftumschk
@ftumschk 15 дней назад
Re poop-deck/puppis... I've been into astronomy since I was a kid, so I knew that the huge S Hemisphere constellation of Argo Navis ("the Ship Argo") has been subdivided into 3 other constellations: Carina (the keel), Vela (the sail) and Puppis (the stern).
@airic499
@airic499 6 дней назад
Poop is the raised section to give more room over the cabin and is in the rear of the ship, not the front. The front is the fo'castle (forecastle) with the obvious derivation.
@Loukie69
@Loukie69 17 дней назад
I'm rather surprised that 'not enough room to swing a cat' or 'let the cat out of the bag' didn't come up. The former meaning that the room or area one is in is too small in area to swing a cat o'nine tails (a nine roped switch or whip with knots in used to lash/whip sailors) and the latter meaning that someone has informed the officers or let slip a shipmate's transgressions, leading to the the cat o'nine tails to be removed from its bag and be put to use.
@helenamcginty4920
@helenamcginty4920 3 дня назад
I always assumed letting the cat out of the bag was just generally telling a secret.
@joeldcanfield_spinhead
@joeldcanfield_spinhead 17 дней назад
a buccaneer is also the price of corn on the cob some places . . .
@therickson100
@therickson100 9 дней назад
The reason for the "starboard" or "steer board" side is opposite of the "port" or "larboard" (loading" side) it that it was preferred to tie a boat up to the quay on the side opposite where the rudder was hung in order to avoid damaging the rudder by accidentally hitting the peer while mooring and unmooring. Also, wave action could cause the boat to crush the rudder between the boat and the peer.
@Pfeilspalter-LA
@Pfeilspalter-LA 5 дней назад
I think the "a" in front of a word is used to draw attention to a matter. Like "a-reise..." wake up call. Its good to notice in noisy surroundings. Thx, for this great video!
@tammygross144
@tammygross144 11 дней назад
Fun episode for this landlubbing pirate writer. I love that unflappable Jess didn't know about "roger" & the look on Rob's face! Robert Newton's LJS is iconic. That TV show & Robert Shaw's Buccaneers show gave us a lot of todays' modern impression of pirates. The poop section had me very confused. Poop decks are at the back - & I just noticed as I type this that Rob has corrected that in comments. I did learn something... Seems my ancestors transported to America were scallywags both in the 17th- & 19th-century senses.
@chrismoller8166
@chrismoller8166 6 часов назад
Speaking of "fingers of the foot," my sister, whose German is scant, was once unable to come up with the German for "toe" (no idea how that came up in conversation) and invented on the fly the word Fußfinger--"foot finger." ("Coffin" came out as "Totencoffer"--"bodycase.")
@peterrollinson-lorimer
@peterrollinson-lorimer 6 дней назад
The sheets are the ropes which control the set of the sail. When they are to the wind the sails are luffing and the ship is not being controlled. "Splice the main brace" was the term for partaking of an extra tot of rum, originally the reward given to the sailor who has performed this very difficult and important task of repairing the lines controlling the yards.
@manuellayburr382
@manuellayburr382 День назад
"touch and go" - When fishing boats returned with their catch going upriver, they needed to get to market as quickly as possible to get the best prices. When they had the tide behind them they would go purposely go aground on the sandbanks and the tide would lift them off as it came in. They would touch the sandbank and then go as the tide lifted and pushed them. It was the way to stay at the front of the race.
@dwh5512
@dwh5512 8 дней назад
Im old enough & my pop was an English major along with being a WW2 Marine Corps veteran that I knew/learned these as a child. Thanks for posting this. Old ships loaded goods on the larboard side so that the stearing board on the starboard side wouldn't be damaged while tied to the wharf.
@dominuspopuli
@dominuspopuli 7 часов назад
Bitter end... bight end? Fascinating.
@malcolmkendall1547
@malcolmkendall1547 7 дней назад
Fascinating episode! Another is "by and large," which I believe was a sailing term for tacking either with or against the wind, and coming to mean, "given the expected complications...." You did mention "taken aback," as in a foiled tack when wind snapped a sail to the wrong side and pushed the ship back.
@Elinor_Scott-Lester
@Elinor_Scott-Lester 16 дней назад
For a fuller explanation of lubber, google lubber line. It refers to a line drawn on a compass to show the direction of travel, or course
@jbejaran
@jbejaran 17 дней назад
Well, you've set me right about landlubber (which I always thought was a corruption of land-lover), and about starboard, which I always thought was the side of the ship away from the lights of the port, where you'd only see stars even when the ship was docked.
@janerkenbrack3373
@janerkenbrack3373 17 дней назад
Glad you've corrected yourself on poop. Jess was right in the Latin origins, I think. Many other nautical terms you mentioned are still in use in practical seamanship today. The specific lexicon to seafaring (at least in the English speaking world) is substantial. And many terms that might sound "piratey" and archaic to the landlubber, are simply part of shipboard language. I can't vouch for today's navies, but when I served in ships, drinking fountains were called the scuttlebutt. If you called it anything else you'd get assigned extra duty.
@jamesfetherston1190
@jamesfetherston1190 17 дней назад
A ton of nautical terms - especially parts of boats and sails, types of boats as well of features around shipping and shorelines come from the Dutch: keel, shore, jib, ketch, bow, yacht, schooner, aboard, sail, avast, berm, boom, frigate, leak, pump, rudder, scow, maelstrom, ship, skipper, freight, captain, buoy, plug, bulwark,
@litigioussociety4249
@litigioussociety4249 17 дней назад
I guess landlubber was turned into an eggcorn for me, because I always thought it was landlover.
@Stevanavich725
@Stevanavich725 17 дней назад
We definitely need to make lubberwort as euphemism for marijuana a thing.
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
I support this wholeheartedly. - JZ
@terryellis9716
@terryellis9716 2 дня назад
As others have said, the poop deck is at the stern and the constellation Puppis is the poop deck of the ship Argo. Also, "Three sheets to the wind" comes from windmills. If they have 3 sails on (windmill sheets are sails while ship sheets are ropes), then the windmill is off balance.
@chrisallen9706
@chrisallen9706 5 дней назад
On the old sailing ships, the poop deck was the highest deck at stern. It gave the navigator/commander the best view how the sails were set & of surrounding sea.
@samanthaperrin6567
@samanthaperrin6567 3 дня назад
I love that you blushed about "roger" robword.
@merrittwheeler2459
@merrittwheeler2459 17 дней назад
I do love a show which causes me to learn, appreciate the scholarship, and chuckle at your antics, with Jess's eyepatch opening and your both often corny comments. Learning with humor! None better!
@weegiewarbler
@weegiewarbler 17 дней назад
Have you heard of the impoverished, deaf pirate? He had no buccaneers! Boom-tsch.....
@neiloflongbeck5705
@neiloflongbeck5705 2 дня назад
Backing is also used in meteorology for a wind changing in an anticlockwise direction, say from North to North-Western. The opposite direction is called veering.
@juliuscheng5788
@juliuscheng5788 10 дней назад
7:50 - fun fact, the butt is an actual unit of measurement, usually meant for fermented liquids (wine, beer, etc). One butt of volume is equal to two hogsheads, or half a tun. So... if you use water, that's about 8 pounds per US gallon. And since the unit butt is about 126 gallons (108 Imperial gallons), then a tun weighs around 2100 lbs, or just about halfway between one short ton and one long ton.
@drs-xj3pb
@drs-xj3pb 6 дней назад
As in a butt of malmsey to drown the Duke of Clarence in.
@AhoyGame
@AhoyGame 17 дней назад
Another one - Amidships, the space between the bow and stern. Also the root of the navy rank of Midshipmen who were considered somewhere between the crew (who live before the mast), and officers who live aft. Athwartships is a fun one too!
@philwoodfordjjj8928
@philwoodfordjjj8928 12 дней назад
Midships, is also a helm command, meaning to bring the ship's wheel to its natural position.
@richardabernathy6242
@richardabernathy6242 17 дней назад
I love how Rob turns purple when he discusses sex
@WordsUnravelled
@WordsUnravelled 17 дней назад
Isn't it adorable? - JZ
@vipertwenty249
@vipertwenty249 6 дней назад
The bow of the boat: If you think about it, the bows of ancient boats were formed by curved pieces of timber attached to and curving upwards from, the keel. That curve, formed in larger boats by steaming the timber to shape - or in a small boat by using a piece of timber selected from the tree that is already of the right curvature, is curved like a bow - an archery bow - hence the name - the bow. The Union Jack - the Union Flag flown from the Jackstaff. The Jackstaff is at the front of the ship - originally sticking upwards from the bowsprit, now at the very end of the front of the ship - right up at the pointy end! In the 18th and 19th centuries the main flag was at the back, a tall flagstaff just immediately forrard of the taffrail and carrying a very large flag - those are your Colours. So long as your colours are still flying you are still in the fight - you haul down your colours to indicate to the enemy that you are surrendering. Avast! : In modern archery in England if someone suddenly and for no apparent reason shouts "FAST" - you instantly stop shooting even if you are at full draw and just on the point of loosing the arrow - it comes from the word Avast and means *Stop!!* - in an emergency context. Nearly 50 years ago I was at a competition on a field shared with a football pitch - there were safety barriers but a footballer crossed those without looking and ran across directly in front of the archers about 50 yards downrange - one archer loosed his arrow during the instant in which the shout "Fast!" was given - the arrow went through the footballers shirt behind his shoulder without actually nicking the skin - he never understood just how lucky he'd just been. If he'd been 6 inches slower it would have penetrated his heart through the left side of his ribcage. My blood ran cold - thought he was a gonner for sure as I watched him and the arrow on a converging course. Actually - since she told you it referred to the stern of the ship and you *still* didn't realise your landlubber mistake I think you should walk the plank anyway 'cos that counts as 2 not 1. The sheets are the ropes that come off the bottom corners of the sail by the way. The tacks come off the ends of the yardarms. You use those 2 in conjunction to angle the sail relative to the wind and shape the sail how you want it for best efficiency. And I'm a couchlubber by the way, watching too much utube.
@pabmusic1
@pabmusic1 17 дней назад
Many former Spanish colonies use pesos - 'pieces' - still. R. L. Stevenson based Long John Silver on a real person. He was his friend, the poet W. E. Henley Very striking figure, with a great buggerly beard, a heavy Gloucestershire accent and one leg.
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 17 дней назад
"Peso" means "weight". The word for "piece" is "pedazo".
@pabmusic1
@pabmusic1 17 дней назад
@@pierreabbat6157 Thank you.
@richardh8082
@richardh8082 17 дней назад
I know a man with a wooden leg named Smith :)
@uesbob
@uesbob 17 дней назад
I think the Spanish coin came pre-scored into 8 pie shaped pieces.
@pabmusic1
@pabmusic1 16 дней назад
@@richardh8082 Why does his wooden leg have a name?
@nigelhaywood9753
@nigelhaywood9753 4 дня назад
I always used to think that it was 'tow the line'. Which I understood as something similar to 'pulling your weight'. It's good to know the definition as, apart from anything else, it certainly helps for remembering the spelling.
@janesweetman9890
@janesweetman9890 17 дней назад
This is such a fun collaboration. Keep these clips coming please. Love it
@davemclellan4019
@davemclellan4019 15 дней назад
I love all things language! And I adore this channel. I listen to Rob words, and have recommended it to many . The two of you are so cute together also!
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 15 дней назад
The a- prefix in works like aback, along, askance, aggrieve, abaft, adrift, and ashore can mean "to, "toward," or "on."
@jamesfischer2427
@jamesfischer2427 6 дней назад
There was great debate among the sailors of various cultures. The Jib's primary function was to allow for a greater top speed, and each culture argued that it's jib design was faster (and in differing winds they were all correct). To like the cut of someones jib. Is to think that they are better suited to do a job.
@stevegreen2432
@stevegreen2432 2 дня назад
Comment on PORT. The reason for Larboard being superceded was the possible confusion with STARBOARD. But the change took place long after the disapearance of the side mounted steering oar (or board). Ships still tended to be moored on the Port side, and to me that is the only logical reason for using the word--it related to what was actually being done. The term could have been use before the "official change over, if there was a change over, as for a while, both terms were in use at the same time.
@rexmyers991
@rexmyers991 5 дней назад
Robb and Jess make an irresistible team. I watched to the bitter end. (Sorry. I couldn’t help myself)
@CullisaurusREX
@CullisaurusREX 7 дней назад
This was so much fun! I would love a "part two" of this "skullduggery"!
@micolemieux4753
@micolemieux4753 14 дней назад
Hello love your show :) So Being a bilingual french english. I was said in my youth while I was learning to sail dinghies, that the word port side came from the word "porte" french for Door. Arrrg now I have to find my instructor from the 80's and tell him he was a scallywag!
@rickleefs
@rickleefs 16 дней назад
I read Treasure Island as an adult and was amazed at how many of the pirate tropes came from that book. The parrot and everything.
@philroberts7238
@philroberts7238 15 дней назад
A well deserved classic! I read it many times back in my schooldays.
@danieldiebolt9483
@danieldiebolt9483 День назад
17:38 I always assumed that ‘Pieces of Eight’ came from the fact that some gold coins back then were octagonally shaped.
@dougsundseth6904
@dougsundseth6904 16 дней назад
A couple of notes: To my knowledge, it was not considered dishonorable to fly the flag of the "wrong" country unless you actually fought with that flag flying. To fly another flag before a fight is just a "ruse de guerre". The USA also has a Union Jack, which is a naval flag in the form of the 50-starred blue canton of the National Ensign without the stripes. A privateer is specifically a ship that has been granted "Letters of marque and reprisal". These were granted by national governments to privately owned ships to give them the right to prosecute war on the nation's behalf. Which makes them more equivalent to a private military contractor than a pirate. Knot teachers and books keep current several nautical terms, which shouldn't be too much of a surprise: the bitter end of a rope is the free end that you use when tying most knots, a "bight" is a loop in the middle of a rope, a "bowline" (pronounced like the weapon you use to shoot an arrow) is a popular non-slipping knot. (Note that I'm leaving aside the technical differences between rope, line, cable, ....) I'll also mention "mainstay", which is a specific line holding the mainmast in place on a ship.
@bryantarms
@bryantarms 5 дней назад
Bitter... like the end of a whip, which is what a sheet becomes when it's out of control and attached to a flogging sail. That may be related to why the thread wrap that's often used to keep the bitter end of a line from fraying is called whipping.
@tommunyon2874
@tommunyon2874 14 дней назад
A friend of mine did a skit character who would say such things as, "How nauseous!" The jack is a smaller field of the whole flag, flown from the jackstaff on the stern. A ship being pounded from astern by high seas is being pooped, in that its foward progress is held back by taking the weight of water on the poop deck. The other officers of the Caine tried to get Captain Queeg to face the ship into the wind during the typhoon for this reason.
@RockyMtnPineapple
@RockyMtnPineapple 3 дня назад
Square-rigged sailing ships: at sea their horizontal spars are at all different angles as their rectangular sails pull them along with the wind direction. In port, the sails are removed and these spars are neatened up by setting them all perpendicular to the length of the ship, or "all squared away". Also, talking about booty, something that you want that you don't have, in French one usage of the word butine is as a verb for a bee that is pollinating plants, and since flowers need the pollen the bees are providing for reproduction, the flowers are getting uhhhh booty.
@jimpemberton
@jimpemberton 7 дней назад
Here are a few others: Bulkhead - Refers to "walls" in a ship, particularly structural components of a ship that are vertical and run abeam and fore and aft that make the ship rigid. The term comes from the secondary purpose of providing stabilization to cargo in the holds. "Bulki" is Old Norse for cargo, and "head" refers to an upright component. Speaking of "head", this is what the bathrooms are called. In old ship construction, the bathrooms on a ship were at the bow, also called the "head" of the ship where the toilets would open to the sea below. Being at the bow was ideal because they would be cleaned naturally as the ship cut through the water. So to "go to the head" or "make a head call" is euphemistic on naval vessels to go to the bathroom. Here's an ancient Naval term for you. There were reeders in ancient Europe. (I know this because my mother's maiden name is "Reeder".) Ancient ships had thatched roofs and reeders were the artisans who repaired ships roofs. Some ancient signs still remain at old ports for the "Reeder" (of various spellings depending on the language).
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 3 дня назад
Poop deck is the raised cabin top at the aft or stern. The name originates from the French word for stern, la poupe, from Latin puppis. The ship's toilet was in the bow, or the heads, the toilet is still called the head in the navy.
@amybradley216
@amybradley216 16 дней назад
Y'all are a great duo. I really enjoy your content! Thanks for all you do!
@johnneale3105
@johnneale3105 7 дней назад
Wonderful podcast, although I feel a little overloaded! I may have "missed the boat" on this one but I would have loved you discuss the origin of the term "posh" which I think erroneously was meant to stand for "port off starboard home" and similarly, "muppet" which I was told was supposed to stand for "most useless person (the) purser ever trained". Further, about the Poop, I understood it was "a deck that forms the roof of a cabin built in the rear" from the French/Latin "la poupe"/"puppis" and getting "pooped upon" was when water ran off said roof on top of you. Always ready to be stood corrected though! Also, would like to put in a word for Moonfleet, an often over-looked stablemate of Treasure Island.
@ianchristian7949
@ianchristian7949 17 дней назад
Brewer's says toe the line comes from lining up for foot races at the start line. I've also heard it attributed to starting a bare knuckle boxing match with the boxers starting with their leading foot on either side of a line.
@tomhalla426
@tomhalla426 17 дней назад
I had seen a story about Major Travis at the Alamo, who drew a line in the sand with his sword, and asked those who were willing to fight to “toe the line”
@kathysampson826
@kathysampson826 2 дня назад
Congratulations on a fantastic video!, Such fun and interesting g!
@edwardmeade
@edwardmeade 16 дней назад
Here's a weird technical term in naval architecture. The 'vertical' supports that run fore and aft through the double bottoms of the ship are 'floors'. So decks are horizontal and floors are vertical on a ship.
@SimonWillig
@SimonWillig 17 дней назад
Wonderful how words and expressions relate and differ in English and Dutch. No wonder with common ancestors and a shared sea to fight over. You mention starboard and port. We have stuurboord (which is exactly starboard) and bakboord. My guess is that it is called so because when your attention is towards the rudder at starboard, bakboard is at your back. About booty: a related Dutch word is buit, which means loot. Btw: very interesting channel, and i love the interaction between you two.
@peterbouma3943
@peterbouma3943 13 дней назад
Sheet (as in the line to control a sail) is 'schoot' in Dutch. Bow is 'boeg' (see how we preserved the -g(h)).
@ClintSprayberry
@ClintSprayberry 15 дней назад
This is the show I didn't know I needed! Y'all are both interesting and entertaining! Thank you for doing these!
@HoosierRallyMaster
@HoosierRallyMaster 14 дней назад
🎶"Shave and a haircut - two bits!"🎶
@NotaCapn
@NotaCapn 16 дней назад
Poop deck: The name comes from the after deck section on Roman ships, (puppim - pronounced “poo-pim”) where small statues or sacred images (puppis - meaning dool or statue) of gods were kept.
@ArsLonga1967
@ArsLonga1967 17 дней назад
"Shiver" is still use here in Norfolk, England regarding a splinter. Norfolk also being a county with a close link to the sea. (Nelson's County!)
@richdiddens4059
@richdiddens4059 17 дней назад
I suspect that's also related to the slang term for a knife; a shiv.
@mrb4750
@mrb4750 16 дней назад
A pirate raided on his own and a privateer was given a Letter of Marque which made what he did legal. It was a way for a country to get a Navy without having to pay for it. The privateers split the booty from the ships they captured.
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