What's the Difference Between a Good VS Bad One Shot? 

Pretty good game that has been around for years. And you can summon players from any game by saying their keyword, guess the "reverse fall-off" was the Brawl Stars' one this time

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Its currently one of the best mobile games (statistics wise) and has been blowing up recently

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“Quite a puzzle, isn’t it?” -Zenyatta

dont forget one shots onto one shot charaters

that is almost quite literally what he said at the end of the video

I think the Martini Henry in that game really made that design shine. It was a strong one shot at most normal engagement ranges, but also, it was only one shot, followed by a long reload. There was no second chances.

Wasn't the sweet spot mechanic kept to specifically the sniper rifles? I hardly used them and I haven't played bf1 that I could be misrembering

Battlebit also has reverse fall off, snipers in close range need to headshot or they die

The sweet spot was the best mechanic. Every weapon had its own effective range, and for some it was 50-70m bodyshot one shot, for others it was 120+ m for a one shot. this meant that every sniper could find their weapon of choice based on their preferred engagement distance. Implementing something like this into valorant could break the balance, but they could try something like that for widow in overwatch or sojourn.

Every marksman and sniper has that mechanic (except like, 1) and they vary from short, medium and long. Damn I love battlefield 1, thats a once in a lifetime game design wise

he didn't even mention it in the video. It's like... beyond memory holed at this point

@@theBlindDeafMute maybe paladins is just a Mandela effect and it never existed

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chargers also usually have weak paint output which is a notable cost in a game like splatoon. splat is also fast in general so their slow speed becomes even more of a key weakness.

Agree with you. They’re pretty fair and balanced. Whenever I was killed by a sniper in Splatoon I’d always admire their skill and also know it was most likely my own fault for bad positioning and slow reaction time lol.

I agree in the first 2 games to an extent due to more maps being better designed. Splatoon 3 however, sometimes that enemy eliter is just unkillable and the ability to just jump out when people get too close which most chargers do the higher level you are. With all the hallways its really hard to not cross an area that they lock down entirely. The only way to deal with them is to use specials but that opens another can of worms.

some additional points: - most oneshot-chargers have extremely limited mobility (exceptions being Squiffer and Goo Tuber, who's gimmicks allow them to basically play as more aggressive midliners anyways). This paired with the laser sight means that if you give away your position, you are reliant on your teammates to protect you from being rushed down. - Charger shots, while being very long range, are still limited at a certain range, which means even if you are visible to a sniper, you can still back up to survive. - as stated in the video "getting behind cover" is actually much more viable against chargers than most weapons in the game, since almost every weapon class has bullet Arc or AOE to shoot over cover, but chargers do not.

The one shots in splatoon are some of the most balanced in any game. You have to be close with rollers, blasters shoot slow and stringers require multiple bullets to hit and splatanas require you to get close. I don’t find any of them unfair to fight as they have obvious counter play. Eliter is really annoying with the map design though.

this is the best comment on the video

Dnd one shots are goated i never have to actually invest a billion years fleshing out characters

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@@thepigeonman_I don’t think that it was the one shot you’re thinking of.

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The one shot itself isn’t bad it’s the fact that he can defend himself against more than one person when his strategic plan fails, he’s designed more like a tekken character than a street fighter character like the rest of the tf2 cast.

I think one thing that people can understand makes a 1 shot character bullshit to fight against is if their ways of performing one-shots are reliable or not If your one-shot one-kill power can be replicated with relative ease, it becomes really frustrating for the player on the receiving end. It's why people dislike round-start possible infinites. A tech that cannot be defended against because the player has figured out a way to reliably do it or not makes that one-shot bad. In sniper's case, his is reliable but heavily map dependent, cause he can't effectively lock down a position if the map is full of tight close corner to corner corridors with few spots for sniping at a safe distance. On the flipside, spy is more fair even with face-stabbing and trickstabbing as those methods are not just difficult to learn in comparison to sniping, but it's also heavily inconsistent as well. Unlike sniper, spy's reliable zone of killing intersects with his dangerzone of immediate death on mistake. If he doesn't plan carefully, spy is as good as dead in the fight with no actual chance of running away unless you luck out and have a teammate or group of teammates nearby to take the heat off of you

Cracked scout: impossible to outrun or hide from, practically unkillable, prevents you from just existing anywhere on the map. Cracked sniper: uhhh holds a choke, I guess? Yeah, no, I'm way more afraid of a scout.

@@AliceLoverdrivesentries, pyro, splash damage, literally just the direct hit, a good sniper Even the best scouts have a way to be countered, the best snipers can only be killed by another sniper consistently

I was about to say that, but still even with that she has her super and gadget which are annoying to deal with Edit: I just noticed that you mentioned her other close range abilities

power creep is unfortunately inevitable, and also both of her gadgets can be baited like her super.

Under the right conditions such as damage gear and ambush, I’m pretty sure she can one shot a few characters? Idk I haven’t checked in a while

@@naturescorruptedinfactorie8062 true but when will that realistically happen

Auto-aimer has been in the game for 3 years and it has never changed in those 3 years. It's only 2024 that people suddenly hate on it.

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In a game all about movement... and it being the only sniper to be able to 1 shot without a headshot. It makes sense. It's the clunky, bolt action 50 cal. And in a game of 6v6, you only have 4 shots then a long reload. So it feels more fair because you can close that distance at the risk of haveing your toes shot and you just collapse

@@YumiDodo to be fair everyone who uses the kraber without memeing (riccochet + threat scope) will usually use extended mag to bring the capacity up to 7 shots and fast scope to stand a fighting chance. quick reload ist also an option but way less reliable when you miss a bunch during a high range duel.

@Yuural that's a very fair point. But in a game that has movement that fast, it doesn't feel bad to just get on tapped anywhere on your body because of how hard it is to use snipers in the game. Just give that feeling of "damn, alright" and then if you keep dieing your just impressed by their skill.

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damn I just commented about the kraber, I could have seen this and not waste time, also, does lonbow enter the bullshit one shot category? because that one is hitsacn and even if it only oneshots the head is not that hard to do

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@@toxic_shr00m as an Englishman, we do not say godge, we have many strange words but this is not one of them

⁠@@gregnog8119 English ain’t no country I ever heard of, they speak English in English?!

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@@AdhvaithSane he’s literally correct. Cease this ignorance

nevermind the hundreds to thousands of hours of aim practice, just a sightline and mousepad spoken like a true shitter

Sorry to splat you out of nowhere I just love to flank then pin

Then you’ll have flanking Roadhog- oh wait.. he doesn’t charge or even crush hug, he’s a fisherman.

"Sniper keep your head down or loose it"

Depends on the game honestly, the awp is a skillful one shot imo but in cod it's far easier because of aim assist

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They're all bad one shots but because almost every character has one it's chill

there's also deadbeard and cactus in bfn for some classes On the enemy team

Surprised to learn his storm arrow has scatter now

@@genghisfarnhuh storm arrow always ricocheted

@@primalspongebob6144No, it was added later

I mean, Hero in general would be a good fit. Whack, Thwack, Kamikaze, Metal Slash, Magic Burst, Hatchet Man, and crit + buffs seem viable if Rest was included

Im shocked that ss4 gogeta from dbfz wasn't mentioned because his one shot is kinda hard to get but it also kinda isn't also any stray hit from gogeta can be turned into death If you have the levels and the bar and he can get most of the levels with the A assist

The games are also just built around extremely low time to kill anyway

I agree, all weapons in full buys one shot in cs. The awp makes you slow, limits your ammo, is very expensive, once you loose it the enemy team can grab it, and utility, jiggles, run boosts are all ways to deal with the awp. It's an essential part of gameplay,

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as a old doom player and support main (specifically ana), the ability that killed me loads wasnt even his punch. i had good enough awareness and movement to either bait his punch or make him miss entirely. the issue was vs good dooms you had to wait a sec to sleep otherwise the movement of uppercut would throw off your shot, but good dooms would weave shots between abilities and aimed well enough to kill you before you could sleep. some dooms would also forgo the slam engage to instead do that airborne punch into scoop with uppercut which could also throw off your aim since they would be pretty far above you

@@CatWithThumbThe problem with old doom punch was how cheesy it was and unfun to play against, a bit of the same goes for current hog with him being able to walk into the enemy team, hook a random squishy and run away scot free.

Its a melee one shot instead of ranged

Doom dying wasnt even that much of a setback for him as he has one of the highest mobilities in the game, he gets right back to the fight in a heartbeat

As an OG Doom player, I agree -- but I still would've more than given it up for other buffs, because holding right click and waiting for some individual with a monocellular brain and without a headset on to walk around that corner wasn't my idea of a good time, and I don't think it was any other (serious) Doom player's idea of a good time either. I would've _killed_ for more speed on the punch, so I could get better bounces and a longer disengage. Or a higher damage cap (maybe with a slower ramp) on untargeted slams, because those were another thing that you couldn't just _do_ all the time -- you needed loads of setup and practice to hit them consistently, nevermind the severe consequences if you just missed, or anyone with a headset on heard you use it and lock yourself into an animation for eternity, and the places you could do them in were severely limited anyways. I'll admit the wombo-combo of rollout-slam-shoot-uppercut-shoot-shoot could be a bit annoying to deal with, but that was always a chess game of where you could and couldn't stand to make it harder or more risky for the Doom. Using Hollywood first defense as an example, the high grounds were mostly out against good Doom players unless you were willing to dance around the pillars on the forward high ground -- those had decent rollouts and good disengage routes. I never did figure out how to get to the top of lift in a reasonable way, though -- there were rollouts, but the time required to set them up was enormous, or they exposed you for far too long, and I just wasn't good enough to execute them in any case (they required a lot of precision, something I tend to lack). Right up against the main gateway, definitely out, but no one ever stood there in their right mind anyways. Back of point beside the lift (low ground)? Mid. Decent rollout, but trying to get out alive was a RISK. Back of point inside the building was IMPOSSIBLE to get to, and even harder to leave, nevermind the fact that using uppercut in a doorway almost always costs you the ability to land those last 2 shots to confirm the kill anyways.

@@void.guedes it's actually false advertising I talked about him on stream when I was brainstorming the idea but he actually didn't make it to the video I just wanted him in the thumbnail because I like him

​@@PixelRory No problem! I'm not a Paladins player anymore (since ow2 released) so I don't mind not seeing him on the video. Actually I was a Evie main and always hated playing against him because of his CC lol. It's just the memories that came along seeing him again, good times.

@@void.guedes EVIE PLAYERS UNITE, love that girl. I love Jenos until I play against him because of my friend who used to use a full cdr build for maximum uppies

​@@PixelRoryfull grab jenos is always how I played him. get cd and range and focus on getting grabs to help people win duels, power cosmeum optional. Of course that assumes people will shoot at the grab target

​@@PixelRoryI was a viktor and koga main

And they still have the instant kill close range quickscoping issue, the e-liter being the only kind of fair sniper

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@@AdhvaithSane yoshiko tsushima from love live sunshine, the exact frame is from season 2 episde 2.

i really loved Jenos his ult is just so satisfying I know that the concept has been created multiple times already but his voice line is just so good "step in to the light, AND PARISH🗿🗣️🔥" i also really liked Zhins oneshot ultimate back then I would just take the talent where every time you hit someone with your spin the spin CD reduces so you just then take all the cards that reduces the CD of any of his abilities >spin >go invulnerable >block >then spin again so you have a spinning pyromaniac that oneshots your tank every so often

I mean, all freeze moves used to be instant kills technically and they were super viable

It also can depend on what character you're playing, some characters are more likely to take a gold IK or a stun setup into red IK rather than continue a combo since some characters have easier times chomping through guts and some have much more efficient routes to combo into Gold IK than others. For example, Sol's more optimal routes in the corner can easily lead into Gold IK, and the full combo normally struggles to get through guts alongside him being pretty solid even without any Tension so Gold IK is a valuable option. Slayer on the other hand doesn't really want to use it on the off chance it doesn't work, as many of his combo routes rely on meter to extend for massive, round winning damage, alongside many of his unsafe Counter Hit fishing tools becoming safer and his mixups becoming much deadlier with Tension, so even though most hits can lead into an opportunity for a Gold IK, you'd rather take the combo and finish with a super if you really need to kill than risk it on IK.

In most cases though, IK are just a taunting tool to get under your opponents skin. I’ve only had a handful of situations where an IK combo would’ve been better than the basic BnB.

2900 for one shots on the head makes 4750 for one taps to the torso much more fair.

i think thats a design flaw with supports in overwatch. why is nearly every single support a healer or frontline utility? there could easily be non healer backliners that provide damage resist or damage block but there has never been a single one in overwatch. the vlosest thing is zarya bubble and zarya is a tank.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@inbeing3464You've just described Brig. Brig plays in the back line, blocks damage, and knocks the enemy away to keep her team safe. There's also Baptiste and Kiriko that are not front line, lean much heavier into utility (immortality lamp/suzu), and focus more on damage output than just flat healing numbers. Healbotting on either of those characters is bad.

​@@inbeing3464 there totally were, but also the move to 5v5 from 6v6 sort of neutered the backline frontline set up, as its just too easy to waltz around the tank and kill supports

a solution i thought of that's similar to this is that the first shot deals very low damage and applies a status effect that heavily increases damage taken from the sniper in specific maybe also a warning to let you know "GET BEHIND COVER OR YOU'RE BOUTTA GET SHOT"

it also encourages teamwork and coordination as if nobody on your team follows up on it it won't matter

hog in a way still has a cooldown, while widow if she hits her shots, has no cooldown

@@MefoWho my ass forgot about the cooldown

Cuz it feels bad. When you get one shotted by hog,you first get dragged,and then get comboed, it takes time,and this 1-1.5 secs just feels bad,cuz it lets you know YOU fcked up,when with widow its, DAMN THOSE OW DEVS NERF WIDOW

​@@psychokuca302'YOU fucked up" ? Its not that you fucked up, its just Roadhog who aims well .

probably because roadhog has a lot of hp and has self heal along with damage reduction from tank passive and ability

Also > Screams "BEHOLD THE DRAGON'S FURY" globally, so you get fair warning that he wants to bonk someone.

Here we aren't talking about ultimates that need damage or healing to be done, very often across multiple rounds, but about one-shots as a simple ability.

@@artmanrom It is a one-shot, though-

I was thinking the same

shortstop also has custom falloff/rampup

In Kid Icarus Uprising all the Staff weapons all have a reverse falloff where they deal more damage the farther away you are, tho it is mostly single player, it does have a MP mode

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@@Chrosteellium Liveweafer actually, sometimes Rein or Phara

Only Rein and Sigma can consistently play around the hook cooldown. Orisa and Ram can play around it half the time if you're lucky. The rest of the tanks have nothing to stop it. Hell its one of the only abilities that goes through defense matrix.

@@albinofroggy Yes, still, most tanks have something to stop it, and if not, the supports have something, sleep dart, life grip, immortality, boop, and even Mei, Pharah and Junkrat. My point is that it's easy to play around, or easier than other abilities and hog doesn't has that much to do without it, as he's literally a punchbag with legs.

All that actually only applies to the first game in the series. In later games, its done with all 4 main buttons (P, K, S, HS) and is a mode that drains meter over time, (or health if you don't have meter) until you do the instant kill with a double quarter circle and HS. And your opponent cannot cancel the instant kill by doing the same input, they can only block it, get out of the way, or interrupt the startup of the instant kill.

@@thrakatak2645another thing about IK I wish the video had talked about is that they’re useless. They can be used in combos with certain conditions being met, but at that point any basic BNB would do the trick. They’re more of a taunting tool to make fun of the opponent. It’s the equivalent of doing a level 3 super in SF when a simple jab would’ve done the trick

Negative, cover effects each guns differently

​@@sonicallstarifyExplain how not being able to get hit affects different guns differently.

@@ishkanark6725 Do you believe all cover is equally effective for every single version of weapon?

Wallbangs and spam are less viable with snipers ​@@ishkanark6725

Like sniper TF2 and widowmaker? It's been done but I think the splat game's unique movement and map layout mitigate sniping

Splatoon also has the somewhat controversial sight lines, so if a charger has charged up their one shot other players can tell where they are looking and what their max range is and play accordingly. Not to mention of course with dying being pretty constant in Splatoon, chargers have really only been a problem when given too much range or the maps are too constrained for flanking, since there's not too much of a time difference between killing with other weapons and killing with chargers

Yeah, but every charger is near instant except for the e liter, so closing distance isn’t even effective against a decent player

I think removing the stun on hook and changing it into an interrupt would work, too. It gives the hooked target a bit more of a fighting chance when getting reeled in.

"But it's not a one-shot, it's a combo, so it doesn't wo- Shut up he killed me in 0.17 seconds. Average human reaction time is 0.25 seconds. Whether it's a combo or a single ability is irrelevent, especially as his R has a lower cooldown than mid-lategame respawn timers.

Yeah that's the same as gold instant kills. Doesn't suprise me, they came from the same developers

One shots = bad?... idk

@@pizzatime3511 also the masSIVE FUCKIN RED EXCLAMATION MARK that shows you where she is. Only reason she isn't mentioned is because I made this video before the beta test

I hated old doom. As ana i saw him across the map, landed every single shot and ability as he dove me including sleep dart and anti nade and still died. I guess I could've just run away but I feel like I shouldn't have to at that point

@@VoltismProductions if you slept him you just giga scream in VC that he is slept and your team kills him?

@@VoltismProductions yeah if you hit a sleep and any level of other damage and the Doom didn't die, that's just on your teammates for being literally the most clueless beings on the planet. At that point, _someone_ was in the wrong rank -- be it you for being able to hit all that and not have those teammates react, or the Doom for being able to not die despite deserving death. Heck, any semi-competent DVa would know that they can just right-click your face when the Doom lands on you and you live anyways, because the abilities didn't do enough damage to both get to you and kill you on their own -- at least, not before you kill him first, even with Ana's mid damage.

people usually think theyre better so the only reason they lose is by luck, unless they have time to whiff the whole mag, in that case they will think its lag.

in the video he says that since you can’t avoid his shots cause storm arrows ricochets 6:38 maybe he just gots insane lineups but i find it so hard to ricochet, and when i play him right now it feels like i need to line up 3 consecutive shots in a row to get a kill/have any impact on a non tank charater. though then again, honestly, same goes for all my other heroes.

Problem is... Either your counterplay is simply not at all interacting with that side of the map ever, or to try and get into some sort of range advantage, and even then, depending on the game. It's very possible that you will die regardless. Lots of games have this problem where they can be super oppressive. Edit to add on: along with this, the risk or investment is next to none. Being a sniper obviously you don't have much mortal peril. your main commitment/risk is going to come at the cost of a reload, a charge, some sort of movement penalty, tunnel vision etc. But often in games like tf2 missing has almost 0 repercussions besides just not doing damage. Snipers reload isn't long at all and means that you can take pretty much just keep on trying at long range. There's other games that have this too, you miss... Nothing happens except you spend half a second reloading. Little punishment for missing. Charging shots make it a bit more of a commitment cuz you have to reload AND charge. Some games have you stand still or suffer movement penalties, some games have chip damage ruin your aim etc. it very much depends. But doing it wrong will have the sniper basically an oppressive beast that takes a lot of risk and commitment to put down just because of their mere existence requiring so much respect that unless they have truly a terrible aim, you are forced to play their dance with little risk or commitment on their end. Again it really depends on the game. But most discourse over snipers is that basically if they're good enough at aiming they can choke an entire game out.

Haven't played OW2 much, but my memories of Hanzo are just spamming arrows at head level in general direction of the enemy. If you are lucky, you will hit someone, if you are not, why are you even playing Hanzo.

@@theno0b316 in my experience of playing a lot of hanzo, the most value i got out of storm ricochets was taking fights where someone has a flat wall behind them, chances were if you missed the target the arrow would bounce off the wall back into them pretty consistently. outside of that the bounce just feels like a gimmick where I pray it finishes someone whos 1hp when they get behind cover. an issue with hanzo as a whole, it doesnt matter how much i'd like to play slow and methodically there are times where spamming and hoping for the best is just the play whether that be with normal shots, storm or throwing out a dragon

Assuming the target isnt at least purple armor and blue helmet

With 5v5 at least. And maby characters will lose their identity. Believe it or not, removing gameplay options because you yourself don’t play them isn’t better overall gameplay.

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 I got like 800 hours on OW1, probably about 250 on OW2. I just don't think one-shots are good for the game. A lot more people don't play those types of heroes than do, so overall by not having them a majority won't miss them.

@@Ron742_ See? Proving my points. It’s why the game is dying. To make the format work, they have to remove multiple playstyles. Again, just because you don’t play those heroes, doesn’t mean that your experience won’t be affected indirectly because you’ll feel the homogenization

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 Not really. The game is not dying because of a lack of one-shots. 6v6 format maybe. I got lots of hours on Widow. It's oppressive and anti-fun. Gonna go out on a limb and say most people don't like going against her.

@@Ron742_ The game is dying due to a lack of diverse playstyles that aren’t oppressive. Half the preexisting playstyles became oppressive when OW2 hit.

There is difference between not seeing it coming and not being able to do anything about it. Also, really, 2 cooldowns? They have no use other than said oneshot and are no different from widow charge.

@@wumi2419 yep but they are separated. Using your trap specifically for one shots is not the best idea. The goal is for the trap to be something you place down for any purpose. That you may latter be able to use for a one shot. Or straight up try to one shot with it. But sending it right in front of you can lead to it being destroyed. It also let tank player know that you are gonna hook. And the longer you take to hook. The more chances your traps are to be destroyed. The long you take to hook. The longer the wait to get both ability online at the same time. Wich will either let you trap useless for a time. Or use it and risk not being able to get the one shot. This may also let you funvle the one shot. As there are more moving part. The genji you wanted to hook. May just had fleed before you where even putting the trap down. Or you missed the hook concentrating on the trap.maybe you got booked off the trap. Maybe to get the one shot you are forced to stay by your trap. Where enemy fire is ramping. And in every situation hooking someone straight up is a kill. Then it wasn't a one shot. A single hook cool down was a literal jumps are. Road hog literaly play like a fnaf animatronics without the trap. The door is open as the cool down to attempt an attack finishes. Here you go. Jumpscare. This is the same idea as sibra's virus. Being an additional thing you gotta land to do the damage you just had for free before. But I agree on one thing. It's lame. It's not like abilities consume mana like in lol. If an ability is online you can just use it. And since you can't build your character like in paladins. Every people playing the same character will do the same combos in every situations. So you should have a variety of ways to mix and match them. But every reworked character in ow got less freedom. Even if it had good results. Like Mei being less anoying, sombra being less anoying, bastion being less anoying... doomfist... being less anoying. You get the idea. I feel like all of thoses ended up more dull than anything. Where as vora from paladins literaly solve that issue in a simple way. All her abilities are straight forward. And do a lot of damage. But landing 5 hits with your main weapon make you next ability stronger. You think you can still spam them? No. As using an ability at any point reset this counter. You can reste it if needed. But that a decision you took. Maybe worst than charging it for a few more hit and having the boosted version for next fight.

Hog one shots are good. Hes a tank.. hes supposed to be strong and zone the enemy. Dps need to learn positioning, timing and git gud.

"fast" "movement" shooter except when the titans start falling. Then its just nearly unkillable tanks camping map corners with one-shots. titanfall players have such weird fantasies about the game, lol.

​@@benshulz4179 "nearly unkillable tanks" just say you never played the game bro. Most anti titan gun wipes out Titans. Its not really hard to Kill a Titan as a soldier. But you know or maybe you just dont understand that you are supposed to be way more Powerfull with a massive mech than a soldier. Some things doesnt even need to be explained

@@konini10 or maybe you're kind of bad at playing with titans if you die to pilots consistently

Fox and Falco having a bad matchup isnt bad design

counter-argument, there's a pretty high cost to it once you get the backstab, you're left in a pretty bad spot, since if anybody notices you immediately after you get the stab, you're confidently fucked (THE KUNAI DOES NOT COUNT FOR IT IS BULLSHIT AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN ANY ARGUMENT ABOUT SPY'S CORE BALANCING)

Lag can role in any kind of oneshot there's always things peakers advantage and shit. But unlike others spy has a loud decloak sound, he needs to be near the enemy, he's vulnerable to spy check's and team play, so i think he's actually designed really good

A self-aware team will always make quick work of a spy, though that doesn't mean the Spy will be hard countered and useless. That's how it should be. Unlike most Doomfists' mains when they show off too hard on the enemy team and suddenly they all swap to doom counters.

eh, close enough

@@altbusto I really want to make a DnD one shot featuring Jigglypuff riding on Reinhardt now

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merc fleet as an example is pretty funny cuz theres also a shotgun that one shots that loses a loy of the risk shot guns usually has cuz ur so fast, really the only risk to using splitter is that you lose a lot of ur momentum if you shoot at certain angles