What's The Difference Between Gracie Jiu Jitsu And Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? 

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Or just tenth planet jiu jitsu 🤪

I'm sure you know where the door is....

hahahahahaha that's a good one ese

You are right. It’s about affiliation and licensing.

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Is your Gracie Jiu-Jitsu the same curriculum as the Gracie Academy with Rener and Ryron? Or is it different? I’m looking for good Gracie Jiu Jitsu

@@WingChunGungFu whats the difference?

@@HtheKing The material is the same, as Royce and all his brothers (Rorion, Relson, Rickson, Royler and Rolker) trained at the Gracie Academy when they first came to America; the class structure, order of the curriculum and promotions might be different, though. Royce also has a public disdain for sport BJJ, so his schools are also very fight-focused.

If a dojo doesn't teach the strike defense or incorporating strikes then isn't that a diluted jiu-jitsu

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Thanks Kevin!!

Same here. 47 and in good shape. A few years back at my daughter's college dorm/apartment move-in one of the coordinators thought I was a student! Hahaha. Anyway, I'm not looking to compete at my age, just interested in learning the art/science of jiu-jitsu!

You’re acting like other BJJ styles aren’t legit because they look like “sport”. Non-Gracie styles are equally effective, just require more strength, stamina, speed, etc. Let’s not forget that the Gracie challenge came about as a way to test skills in a real fight, which evolved into early MMA.

I think he’s just saying GJJ is more geared to combat not that BJJ isn’t combat worthy

BJJ is still useful for self-defense. If you really are so concerned about the "streets" then get a Glock

Self defence is what it’s all about. Sport bjj has too many holes for that

@@runite715 It's not just "me" talking about it's applications on the street . Rickson and other Gracie's have been saying it for years . Many of these versions out their , are watered down versions of the original style . Aimed towards competing against another bjj opponent , on the mat . Not the style Royce used in the early Ufc's .

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Exactly. I learned various MMA disciplines purely for survival growing up in the South Bronx in the 80's. I learned the limitations of Tae Kwon do at 10 years old when an opponent almost caught my leg kick. Karate & Boxing have no strategy to defend yourself once you are on your back. I was watching a Rickson Garcie documentary and he said " The difference between me and KickBoxers, and Wrestlers "is they do this for sport. This is a real live fight to me." I said Wow. This is for me.

one time someone tackled me in front of my friends house bc idk he was mad for something i guess and then i just put him in my full guard then kimura locked and he started tapping and before i let go i told him to walk away or i’ll break it. i learned that move in bjj so i mean i guess it works for the streets

Sean Boss that’s very motivational to hear. I just started my BJJ journey and I am so dedicated to grow

Whats up Randy, you still training bro?

Baldheadedchimp got em

And which side has the bigger ego and which side benefits or loses significance because of their ego?

LMK2 wait, What?

Andres Herrera casual

Maybe you should watch then.

Did you post this comment before lunch?

Tendies or gtfo m’goodboy

Maeda introduced Kano Jiu-Jitsu to the brazilians and to many other countries. Fortunately or unfortunately, the japanese didn't appreciate their own martial art and gradually turned it into the Judo we know nowadays. The Gracies kept the flame alive, modified it, and spread it to the world.

@@MMALeech cool

Strike use or defense totally depends on the instructors abilities. To me jiu jitsu includes all aspects of fighting.

@@MMALeech Robert Drysdale will be releasing a BJJ documentary/history film this summer. It's called "Closed Guard: The Origins of Jiu-Jitsu in Brazil".

Indians started jiu jutsu . They started ninjutsu

MegaSkilla Gracie Jiu jitsu is the foundation of Brazilian Jiu jitsu, GJiu Jitsu was made to beat the other systems, sport Jiu jitsu was made to compete among each other.

@MegaSkilla to assume only the gracies can do combat jujitsu and then call everyone else ignorant is laughable. They don't have a monopoly on grappling in real fights.

@@johnnythepillpopper1974 that is more combat bjj vs sport bjj, Gracie is just one brand when it comes to combat bjj. It's a trustworthy brand, but still only one of many.

Carlson said it best, self defence is for defending against people who don't know jiujitsu, jiujitsu is for defending yourself against other jiujitsu fighters. You're just parroting Rickson and Royce. Rickson is a champion, but still made dubious claims, Royce never won a championship, but did well against guys who didn't know jiujitsu. Good jiujitsu is knowing how to defend yourself and cross training (something Royce disagrees with), if you can defend punches, manage distance, get the takedown and stay on top to finish, or reverse to get on top, you should be able to defend yourself on the street. Plenty of mma fighters have made bjj work , without being trained in gjj, because they train for the parameters. It Doesn't take much to know if you fight on the street, beat them standing or if you're close takedown and finish fast (most likely with strikes), but watch your back and if you're on your back sweep, or stand up... Muay thai and bjj will likely neutralise someone of the same rank in gjj.

@@tonysmith1949 The only problem now is that thanks to cage fighting, many people know the basics, they’re armchair Jiu jiteros. So now if you don’t know groud fighting your at a disadvantage because most people have been exposed to it.

Thanks for the explanation man , a ghost in the shell fan I see.

You mean difference between Gracie and Brazilian jiu jitsu. Regular jiu jitsu is Japanese

can you elaborate on your last sentence? Do you mean Gracie JJ will be better when someone grabs us?

@@Smithy250 the Japanese style is Jujitsu, Jiu-Jitsu is Brazilian.

@@jaxwhyland it's same word just brazilian can't pronounced ju ,that's why they call jiu.

Most of YT channels focus on the sport side of BJJ, including mine, although I post some self defense videos once in awhile. Ryron and Rener, on the contrary, teach mostly self defense techniques, they are great instructors and their stuff is great and effective for the self defense scenario. Since sport BJJ has no punches, the techniques do vary a lot, when you add punches to the game the techniques generally become simplified and straight to the point.

@@MMALeech thank you sir for your time and comment that was very helpful.

@@yroy5254 you are welcome

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Eddie bravo too?

Moon ding it’s funny because the Gracies and the Machados used to have a series of tournaments against each other. Gracie students vs Machado students and Machado students won like 80% of the matches. And of course, Eddie Bravo is a Jean Jacque Machado black belt

still with Gracie JJ now?

@@HtheKing Indeed I am. Thanks. Purple belt

@@blackfriarsffc5232 are you happy you stuck with gracie JJ rather than go into sports JJ?

@@blackfriarsffc5232still w it today? Joined a few weeks ago.. love it so far

Important to say that Maeda had a school in Brazil, he named it Jiu Jitsu not Judo.

MMA Leech Not according to Japanese sources. According to record in Kodokan and two bibliographies that I read about, Maeda found the first Judo Academy in Brazil in 1921, was promoted to 6 dan in 1929 and 7 dan in 1941. He never studied any Japanese Ju Jiutsu style, had promoted Kodokan Judo all his life, and in contact with Kodokan until his death.

@@燕北山前萬梅山莊主人 I understand, brazilian sources are far and few between, but more and more brazilian historians are taking their time to study this matter and they've been finding official papers of that era. They have found that Maeda was teaching in Brazil in 1915, Carlos Gracie was one of his students, here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8dyksDFuyQg.html He was teaching Kano Jiu Jitsu at the time, not Judo, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kggBsJ0j5FI.html Most recent book talking about all of this, written by 2 renowned brazilian historians www.amazon.com/MUITO-ANTES-MMA-precursores-formadoras-ebook/dp/B084T7K2V9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1592274992&refinements=p_27%3AElton+Silva&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Elton+Silva

MMA Leech What exactly is Kano Jiu Jitsu as mentioned by you? Is it different from Kodokan Judo? Kano Jogoro founded Kodokan Judo, literally means the School of Teaching the Do (The Way), Judo (The Way of Gentle) and wrote books on why he named his school Kodokan and his style Judo. He was a university educator and president by profession and his philosophy is clearly written. I addition, Judo was not a new term that he invented, it was used within Kito-Ryu 起倒流before. The Japanese Ju Jitsu Association has classified existing Ju Jitsu schools into at least 6 different lineages, and Yoshin Ryu 楊心流and Kito-Ryu 起倒流 have highly possible Chinese origins. Again, in Japanese sources, Maeda taught Kodokan Judo only, had contact with Japanese Government and Kodokan until his death, as besides spreading Judo he was also helping Japanese Government to set up Japanese immigrant settlements throughout South America.

@@燕北山前萬梅山莊主人 I'm referring to the nomenclature, not the art itself, regardless if they are different from each other or not. Newspapers in Brazil called his art jiu jitsu, his dojo had a sign that read jiu jitsu as I mentioned in the link above. Helio Gracie said that Maeda called his teachings jiu jitsu. As you know there was a period in time where Judo was not the official name of the art yet, the art was called Jiu Jitsu, Kano Jiu Jitsu, or Judo interchangeably. I'm aware that Maeda helped the japanese government settling many japanese immigrants in Brazil (some were his friends from Kodokan), the japanese were responsible for the modernization of agriculture in many parts of Brazil, among many other important contributions to the country.

Jitsu keeps you young man. Lots of accomplished champions look years younger than their actual age. Badass

Many sport BJJ schools don't train against basic strikes or the shitty things that regular people do like headlocks or rear grabs.

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You are right, I will be releasing a video talking about the origins of BJJ in the next few days.

@@MMALeech Sorry about the haziness, but you are also right. I just wanted to make people realise the 2 different root beginnings of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Gracie Jiu Jitsu. The only common share between BJJ and GJJ from day one was Maeda. It all started in Brazil from Maeda and his friends (who also made their separate trips to many other countries, Shimitsu and Laku were Japanese from Argentina and Peru, first enemies and later in Brazil they merged their Japanese grappling root knowledges) from the Kodokan base and were send out to spread Judo from Jigoro Kano. Kano himself created Judo which came from old school Japanese Jiujitsu he learned as a youngster. Maeda travelled many years to other places before he went for the second time to Brazil and settled and married. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu from its roots is opensource. Maeda and his friends used the source code from Kano, opened it up, re-coded it and spread their new opensource code to their Brazilian students like Gracie and Franca..

@@MMALeech Great tip: read this book: www.bunasawakai.com/book

What is Japanese Jiu jitsu???? Japanese is Jujitsu or Jujutsu denoting the Gendai / modern Western version or koryu Traditional version. Not sure about the other.

Yeah this guy is trying to make Jiu-jitsu which is the original and obviously Japanese sound like it's a derivative form and therefore needs a defining letter like GJJ or BJJ.. what a load of crap. The original needs no such defining term or letter it's the original ffs. It's the derivatives or non-origin that needs a defining term.

Imho a "sport" style armbar will leave an arm just as broken as a "street" style armbar. I really dont buy into this idea that someone with 3 or more years of bjj is somehow ill equiped to defend themself from a person who doesnt train.

The Gracie gyms do have a lot of focus on self defence. My gym has two nights a week dedicated to street sparring and fight simulation where we use mma style gloves and allow for strikes

Gracie university is place you need to go one of their certified training centres

Never bring JJ to a gun fight.

Wrong...judo was created long after jiujitsu was formed, and only because jiujitsu was banned because of its lethal techniques (hence no kneelocks allowed in judo)

Lance Bello agree, i was referring to its timeline in accordance with bjj claim. I’m aware Jigaro Kano studied Jiu -jitsu and later catered his version to accommodate weapons being outlawed. Original judo had leg locks, Olympic judo outlawed it.

Well, yes, that's the point. The Gracies reworked "jiu-jitsu" (as it was called when they were learning) with a different intention; moving away from the throws and focusing on ne-waza, leverage, etc.

That shouldn’t matter. Like he said, there’s lots of crossover. Go and focus on techniques that work in the streets. Going to a sports bjj gym is better than no gym at all.

You can the entire Gracie Combatives program online through GracieUniversity. It is absolutely AMAZING

I’m sure it will still help you fight, so long as you direct your own training correctly.

@@OneNvrKnoz Well said, They act like they are afraid of a medal or facing off with another human.

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He's definitely a funny guy!

Always a handful of assholes in the comments of every video on BJJ history that think themselves enlightened geniuses by pointing out that a martial art with a Japanese name originated in Japan. Wow, such an astounding and insightful observation.

Helio beat many Judokas too, you forgot to name those. If you wanna discuss the origins of jiu jitsu then post your comment on this video please ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UiVyUQqkWro.html

And Kano originally learned Jujutsu.

Your assumptions are all pretty much spot on. Judo is definitely harder on your body, but still useful for an older person to gain a greater sense of balance, leverage, and body control...so as to be able to avoid being thrown to the ground in the first place. Just gotta decide if you're willing to suffer those aches and brushes along the way. 😅

@@Daddy_Bear_722 thx for the answer! well looks like i still have time to decide because of this virus craziness...

Appreciate!

​@@MMALeech Once, again, Professor, you are most welcome. I appreciate factual, academic studies that provide robust critical, cogent analyses when presenting an argument👍

In Brazil we just call it Jiu jitsu

All of above.

I'm only a blue belt but the impression I get is - John Danaher (Renzo Gracie) specializes in leg locks (historically risky in MMA.) Therefore, I'd classify Danaher's subsection as BJJ, instead of GJJ.

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so the original judo self defense style? good

@@Supermomo2007 no, the original self defense curriculum presented by Helio Gracie was very different from Kime no kata in judo. Newaza has a much heavier emphasis with the added assumptiom that your opponent will always be larger than you

@@Taekwon-Brandothere are more katas then you think

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