If you actually knew Spanish you’d know that the o and a are ambiguous. It has nothing to do with gender. If I say las familias it doesn’t only refer to female families. Los perros is not only male dogs. 😂 It’s people who are clueless about Spanish trying to re-examine the language and turn it into English. That’s what you call ethnocentrism.
Also there skipping the fact that there is an English translation for each Spanish word . Latino means Latin, and the region is called Latin America and the people are called Latin Americans. The term Latinx isn't offensive, is ridiculous, but the premise is offensive: English speakers trying to change languages that they don't speak or plan to learn for political reasons.
Maybe you meant to say arbitrary? Either way, it is definitely not ambiguous that some words in Spanish end in -o and some in -a. In fact, this concept is easily explained by your own point, which is that this thing called grammatical gender exists and it has nothing to do with gender in the human sense. More specifically, nouns that represent non-humans (and some collective nouns for humans as noted below) are assigned grammatical gender according to not-so-arbitrary rules (well, most of time). For example, 'la casa' is not a female house; it just ends in -a so it's a feminine noun. In the case of nouns and adjectives that do refer to humans AND imply gender, then gender is actually gender and not just a grammatical thing. Some examples of nouns that refer to humans and DO NOT imply gender are the collective nouns el pueblo and la gente as well as la familia and la persona. Some examples of nouns that DO imply gender are EL hombre, LA mujer, EL enfermero, and LA enfermera. To be more inclusive to non-binary identities, some nouns and adjectives can take on a different ending as well as article. In Spanish, this is commonly with an 'e' at the end, so you could say "le enfermere" for a nurse with a non-binary identity. It really only appears in English when denoting a demonym, and in those cases, it's with an 'x'. These endings were NOT created by people who are clueless about Spanish. The Spanish endings were created by Spanish speakers and the English endings were created by English-speaking people with Latin American identities. Please get your facts straight. P.S. If you want to talk about ambiguous, think about the word "los padres." Does it refer to two dads or a mom and a dad? Since it can refer to BOTH, it is ambiguous.
@@MarioRodriguez-gr8wc Thank you for showing me that people might overgeneralize my points and fail to consider the specific examples I originally gave. I have edited my comment to provide some clarification. Also did you think to insult me and other open-minded people like me by calling us no sabos? Well, I'm a proud no sabo kid. Though I had no control over the fact that my parents decided to raise me as an English speaker, I did study Spanish in high school, passed the AP exam, and earned a degree in Spanish with honors from NYU. I understand that change is difficult, but languages evolve and change over time. They always have. The Spanish spoken today is not exactly the same as it was 500 years ago. But if you want to keep using dial-up Internet, Mario, well then, you do you.
Hispanic and Latino both wrong for you. Hispanic refers to the people of HISPANIA which is the name given by the Romans to what is now Spain and Portugal. Latino (wrong in English, right is Latin) means possessing Roman culture. You cannot take Latin American and make it Latin or Latino. Everything Latin comes from Italy and has nothing to do with you.
Latinas/Latinos & Hispanics do not seem to be fully embracing the term “Latinx” to describe their own community. If they don’t like this word, then why call them that? I don’t want to upset or disrespect anybody for no reason, so I won’t use the word Latinx. It’s just easier to be respectful of their culture.
Latinos ( native speakers of a Latin language, in the case of Latin America Portuguese and Spanish) Hispanic ( native speaker of the Spanish-Castilian language both names are correct for the language) Spaniard (a person born in Spain) That’s the reason of why LatinX is honestly a stupid and ignorant term.
The term is largely centered around queer, feminist and otherwise progressive circles within the broader Latino community (as well as anyone Latino or otherwise in solidarity), and they're not demanding this be a universal change. This is just certain people choosing the term for themselves. So how the Latino community at large feels is irrelevant. Moreover "Latine" has gained prevalence. The bottom line is if anyone wants to use a term, so long as they're not forcing everyone to use it, ultimately no one else really has a say in that.
question are you actually latino and know how much we despise that word. It is honestly kinda insulting to be called something that goes against every rule in our language.@@sirfizz6518
Doesn't Latin refer to the different groups of people whose mother tongue is one of the languages that derive from Latin (Romanians, Spanish, Italians, Portuguese, French)? It seems that some people use the word to describe their ethnicity, but that is an incorrect usage of the word. It refers to language, not ethnicity. The only people on earth who would even come close to being ethnically Latin would be the Italians, but not even all of them would qualify, as the Latins were just one tribe (out of many) in Italy who lived before the time of Julius Caesar.
@@KKruse-jb4cu The same word can have different meanings. Just going by this video, Latin, in this context, referred to countries and territories in Latin and South America. Language can be an ever-changing mess.
As a Latina/Hispanic woman, I have to say it's not that serious and it's making us more divided and people more confused about us. It's like when everyone called people in NYC Puerto Rican in the 90s wether you was from DR, PR, Cuba etc. Eventually they caught on. History shows the more complicated we make things, the bigger the divide.
The history also shows that the more ambiguous the language, the easier it is to abuse. We need to learn to better deal with nuance rather than pretend it doesn’t exist. Ignorance works usually in favour of the abuser.
I disagree with the use of the word latinex. I think the people who uses this are miss interpreting how the Spanish language works and how the culture uses the language. The gender of the words are just words and also most of the times these are used just because these sounds better on the language traditionally, and most of the used are intrinsically gender neutral. I saw an example the other day on another video, the English language has a word for actor and a word for actress; and the plural word is actors and it is valid to group both genders and people doesn't care about it because at the end of the day these are just words. Imagine making up a word like "actrx" just because some people got offended by their own incapacity to distinguish that words doesn't define them. To me it sounds stupid. But the word latinex isn't the real problem here. When I heard the part of the video that told on census that people should say if they are white or they are black and then people asked for more identifiers, I think this is totally wrong. When I see a person, anyone, at random, I can identify as them, and I don't really see them as a casket of the color as people from the US see each other. I think the problem is that people want to segregate themselves and are being racist without them knowing. I think everyone is equal, in both opportunity and responsibilities. The US has a problem of racism. And also a problem with inequality between rich and poor. To me it just happened that a lot of people of the so called "minorities" are people born in poor areas of the US country and so they have a harder life because of bad politics that doesn't address the inequality of opportunities. I also believe that these people who are born on these bad areas, they can get into the "victimisation" mentality, and think they are discriminated because of race; when to me they are discriminated because they are poor. Also, I dislike the use of distinct word for these people to call themselves that they are different from everyone else. NO. We are all equal if you really think about it to the core of humanity. Different skin color? It is just a pigment of the skin and nothing more... Speak a different language? It is just where you were born and nothing else.... Sexual preference? It is just that, sexual preference, and it doesn't define who you are as a person... Born male or female? It has its pro and cons in biology, but the norms of society for these two term are just social constructs; at the end of the day it is what you do what will define you in front of everyone else and also you should be just you and not be defined by anyone else, including words. I kinda hate the word latinx because it is allowing people to tell everyone that they should be separated and segregated. They want to tell everyone that we are all different when we are not really. When you are born in Mexico, you are Mexican and it is just registered as Mexican nationality. You aren't black, white, güero ,Moreno, Chinese (it is the equivalent of calling someone "asian" in Mexico), etc... You are Mexican. I don't get why in the US people is okay on being and important aspect of registering someone because of skin pigmentation and place of origin. If people are going to be US citizens, then everyone are equal and at the end of the day, these aspect shouldn't define anyone really but only by their actions. The US is so close to become an Utopia for anyone to make a great society with liberty of opportunities for anyone, but people just keeps shooting itself on the foot by segregating themselves from society. I am not from the US. Where I grew up, I may call someone güero, moreno, black or Chinese, but I don't define the people by that term if you can get me. When I tell a story about someone doing something great, I really don't see if that person is form a certain ethnicity. But the thing is, when I tell the same story in English, then suddenly I feel the urge to specify that because in the US people teach that you should specify these kind of racist stuff because if not then you are racist. People tell you that you must be racist to not be racist. Sorry for the long post. TLDR please don't use the word latinx to segregate yourself. We are all equal and you shouldn't feel segregated by words because these are just words at the end of the day. Instead, we should look for treat each other good. Have a nice day.
I understand and agree with many of your points. However, taking one of your examples, being called Mexican because you are born in Mexico has significance. Maybe people put too much meaning in a label, such as unfair stereotypes. A Mexican person can have a special understanding and appreciation of Mexico, its history, customs, etc, that someone who isn't Mexican won't. Where you are born can heavily influence other aspects of you, so it's not as simple as only being your place of origin. It's complicated. There needs to be a balance of acknowledging differences (which labels do help with), of being open to having preconceptions changed, and trying to not be as judgmental as possible. The value of each person can be equal, but what and who we are varies, and that variety is meaningful.
Since you are not from the US, I think you should politely bow out of this discussion. Identity and race in Mexico are a whole other can of worms that I would not get into because I am not Mexican. For context, I identify as Chicana. That is, I am female, I was born in California to a Mexican mother and Mexican Amercian father. In the US, labels like Latinx, Chicane, etc. are NOT about segregating ourselves from the rest of society. They are about identity. Punto final. Furthermore, yes, it is true that there is such a thing as grammatical gender that has nothing to do with gender in the human sense. More specifically, nouns that denote non-humans in Spanish are assigned grammatical gender. For example, 'la casa' is not a female house; it's just a feminine noun. In the case of nouns and adjectives that do refer to HUMANS, then gender is actually gender and not just a grammatical thing. EL hombre. LA mujer. EL enfermero. LA enfermera. In those cases, to be more inclusive to non-binary identities, some nouns and adjectives take on a different ending as well as article. In Spanish, this is commonly with an 'e' at the end. It really only appears in English when denoting a demonym, and in those cases, it's with an 'x'. These endings came about from grassroots movements by Spanish speakers in Spanish speaking counties as well as Latin American identifying people in the US.
That’s not true. The plural of actress is actresses. Using actors for a group of female actresses is the same as calling a female “actress” an actor. There is a movement to call all actors actors, regardless of their gender. But this is not because the plural of actors was originally gender neutral, or that a female plural didn’t exist.
Spaniard here. The European take on this is that Hispanics are from Spain (Latin Hispania). While Latinos/Latinas are from Latin America. Simple. Latinx is another category which is more political, whenever you hear it many will roll their eyes; its commonly associated with Hispanic Americans.
The poll also asked if you had to choose a word that identifies you. 57% Hispanic 27% Latino 5% Latinx 2% no opinion. We don’t want to be called that ridiculous Latinx garbage.
@@MarioRodriguez-gr8wc so does it not matter or does it have to be something else? I mean, can you read and understand the meaning given to you? Doesn't matter means it doesn't matter. 57% of people really don't care whether it's Hispanic, Latino or Latinx. And only 4% would choose *only* Latinx. That's literally what the poll says.
There was a time when the universities objective was to educate and not indoctrinate. Latinoamerica (Latin America) is a geographical region south of the US composed of countries of the Americas that speak Romance languages (from Vulgar Latin) that include Spanish, Portuguese and French (there are French speaking countries and territories like Haiti and French Guiana). There evidence that the Latin America was used by South Americans since the 1856, and that they were the first to use the term (not the French people because they started to use it around 1862). The first to use it in public was the Chilean politician Francisco Bilbao in a 1856 conference. Hispanic America (Hispanoamerica) are the Spanish speaking countries of the Americas, and Iberian America (Iberoamerica) are the Spanish and Portuguese (Brasil) speaking countries. Latinoamericano/a (Latin American) is a person from (or descendant of a person from) a country of Latin America; and Hispanic American (Hispanoamericano/a) is a person from (or descendant of a person from) a country of Hispanic America), people in the US like to shorthand terms, Latino is the shorthand of Latino-americano, and Hispanic is the shorthand of Hispanic American. Latinx is an ridicule term pushed by wokes in order to remove grammatical genders from the Spanish when all the Romance languages depends of grammatical genders. Latin and Latin American are already gender neutral and English speaking wokes needs to stop pushing ridicule terms to other languages.
No hispanic/latino will ever use the word "latinx" for the same reason Americans will never identify themselves as gringos... its not a real word for that language and it will never have significance behind it
ALSO just cause we change 1 word that uses feminine and masculine word (latino, latina now Latinx) won't change stuff like El Carro, La Bicicleta, La Chancla, La Ventana, El Orgullo, El Amor, etc we still will have a whole language with masc and fem language lol.
I use Latina when with fellow women. However, my job requires that I am inclusive so I switch to Latinx, but it's weird. Its not part of my identify...
Please stand up for yourself. Tell your boss that this is offensive to your culture. Other races should not have the right to make the decision to change our name. The majority of latinos find latinx offensive❤sending u love girl.
There is no debate for Latinx, Latin Americans do not like Latinx, only Americans. If you want to talk about that word then do mention that that word only represents Americans and not Latin Americans and by latin americans I mean latin americans not americans with hispanic heritage they are still americans.
So while understanding the context and the differences is important, I think it should be reinforced that you should just ask the person themselves how they would like to be identified during conversation. It's called being polite and not making wrong assumptions based upon your own biases.
All this is absolutely incorrect. 1 - Latin refers to the all encompassing umbrella group of European people of Roman origin and their diaspora including (but not limited to) Italians, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, and the other European languages nations of Roman (Latin) origin and diaspora that identifies with these roots/origins. 2 - Hispanics are the Latin people (see above) specifically from the region of Hispania (what is now Spain and Portugal) and those who identify with these roots and ethnic origins. 3 - Latinx is just stupid and unnecessary. English is already a gender-neutral language. There is no need to create gender-neutral words or incorporate foreign, gender charged words LatinO/LatinA, just say Latin
why you Americans have to play the biggots and impose a word that we dont want to use on us, JUST STOP we are not crazy like you we are ok with latino...
I don't want to have my identity chosen for me, I also support a more inclusive language, I use Hispanic/Latina/o/x. It does not include our indigenous communities, but I don't know how to do this...
As a trans person and a Mexican immigrant, I say, let trans people use whatever terms they want! No one is forcing cis people to use them, trans people just wanna feel comfortable if that offends you, that's your problem
The correct word would be Latin not Latinx if your talking about both Latinos and latinas you can’t just go and start making up words to replace other words the the original words would be pointless and if that’s the case then who needs a dictionary and we can all start identifying as gibberish
It is so interesting that Hispanic was created in a direct opposition to the Chicano movement. I would like to know more about it. Also, it is very interesting that when we came to the USA in 1980 we didn't like labels, we wanted to be known simply as North Americans, because after all, Mexico is in North America. As Mexicans we did not see ourselves different from Canada and USA, but different from South America. It was more like reginal pride. LOL. Labels, however, is in many ways part USA culture which is tide to racism. Everything has to be put in a box. Well, people are more complicated than that. And, of course... Hispanic is used for race. Is it a race? Back in college in my biology class I learned that there is only one race, the human race. And "human races" white, black, etc. is a social construct. Why not talk about that? Gracias. :)
The US pretends lip service to quasi-homogeneity and then hyphenated their respective heritage, unless their lineage mixing has become too complex. The US pretends lip service to social uniformity and then continually clashes with in-laws. Anyone to immigrates to the USA with simple ideals is naive, and good luck to them. The US has *always* been different within itself. The US is--indisputably--a nation of disparate immigrants, yet so many live in denial of their own differences. Maybe, like Columbus, arrivals are still strugglng with what it isn't.
i am a black person born in Cuba | Afro Cuban.. what is a Hispanic or is this just an American word - in Cuba we never ever use such words as Hispanic or Latino.. its black, white and mixxed, asian, jew and more - DONT CALL ME HISPANIC
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I think it's important that communities of color have a strong understanding of their culture and that includes how a person identifies themselves. Many cultures feel minimalized because they don't feel heard or seen by the general population. I think that using a term to relate to an individual, whether male or female, is important to that culture and should therefore be a term that identifies that population as a whole.
The only people have issues with Spanish terms are English speakers. Latino means Latin in English, the communities know what is important and don't need English academics or wokes creating false issues.
The Oxford dictionary definition of Latin is a native or inhabitant of a country whose language developed from Latin. It's a reference to one's mother tongue, not ethnicity. The only people who would even come close to being ethnically Latin would be the Italians, but not even all of them would qualify, as the Latins were just one tribe among many in Italy around or before the time of Julius Caesar.
If the word Latinx leads to greater inclusivity and integration then I'm very much in favor of it even if it sounds a little funny. Language is constantly evolving and this is just a logical progression.
@@GenXTejano Just for transparency, I majored in statistics so I hope that you are not planning to argue with me based on fabricated numbers, limited sample sets devoid of randomization and lack of statistical tests supporting your so-called "evidence." Regarding your references to ASIAN people: 1. Don't be a racist 2. Go fnck yourself Of course that Spanish speakers do not replace the "O" in Chino with an "X" because the resulting word is a racist slang. That has nothing to do with LatinX, which refers to everybody with a Latin background.
@@GenXTejano You make a fair point, but the original post isn't completely wrong. Many common words we use today were simply made-up centuries ago. Even labels for people in more recent times. There are several standard (not derogatory) terms for Black Americans, and we choose and use the one we want when we want.
You said that "language is constantly evolving and this is just a logical progression" and that goes both ways. English speakers should stop using Spanish term and trying to mess with other language because Latino means (Latin) and is already gender neutral. Latin America is a geographical region based in language and location, there is no region called Latinx America. Latin America and Latin is the proper translation.
You could have left it as Latin. No "o" or "a" to offend the sensibilities of the emotional liberals. Hispanic is also a non-gendered term. As for the Spanish language, leave it alone. You don't see people from Mexico or other Spanish speaking countries trying to re-write English. It is always the ones who cry about cultural appropriation that do it the most.
I am genuinely disappointed by the comments! If the video was genuinely digested in its intention, the x or e are really irrelevant! Anyone can choose what they refer to themselves as, considering race is a construct. The X and E are to show solidarity between each other in our community but ultimately the debate is not necessary. What is necessary is focusing attention on larger problems that our community is facing. Use whatever you want! But do not stop your efforts there.
@@johnnyfive9815 yeah, that's a huge problem, they try to use it for every Latin American, even as an LGBTQ member, this word doesn't represent me, it only represents the woke and their agenda.
I like "latinx" because here in spanish speaking countries we will use "latine" as the gender neutral for the people from countries that were spanish or portuguese colonies plus Haití. I have come to associate the term "latinx" with the descendants of latins who has born and/or raised in the USA, especially from the thirds generations onwards. I consider latinx and latins as differents groups of people since they have different life experiences, for example, except for many native peoples, we aren't a minority here were we live. I wouldn't said that all latins share the same culture, but all latinx share the same culture, they are gringues (gender neutral for "gringos") that, because the have latin ancestry, think they can take that latin culture, commercialize it and banalize it, ripping apart all the meaning of its traditions and symbols as all gringues do when they find something "new and exotic."
