what's the difference between the prophet 5 reissue and the prophet 6?

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In this video, we take a deep dive into the key differences between the Sequential Prophet 5/Prophet 10 (Rev 4) Reissue and the Sequential Prophet 6. This video focuses on the sound and functionality of the two synthesizers; where they differ and where they overlap.
Chapters:
00:12 - Introduction
00:58 - Part 1: Prophet 6 "main" differences
04:03 - Part 2: Prophet 5/10 "main" differences
06:48 - Part 3: "direct" sound comparisons (similar patches)
27:17 - Part 4: patches that begin to reveal inherent differences
32:44 - Part 5: Prophet 6 "unique" patches
39:31 - Part 6: Prophet 5/10 patches, demonstrating raw "tone" & "timbre"
48:55 - Part 7: Conclusion and Final Thoughts
The two synthesizers were recorded directly into Pro Tools at 48khz with Universal Audio Apollo preamps. No external FX were used in the recording of the sounds unless where noted in the video. The two synths were leveled in terms of gain as carefully as possible to create the most unbiased listening environment.
Three things to note when viewing this video:
1. I use the terms "Prophet 5" and "Prophet 10" interchangeably, as the only difference between the two synths is that the Prophet 10 has five additional voices.
1. Though I contributed to some of the "factory" presets for the Sequential Prophet 5/10 (rev 4), we are not comparing "factory" presets in this video. I have crafted all the presets in this presentation to show you as carefully as possible how similar the synths can sound, and how vastly different they can sound.
2. We will not be discussing any of the technicalities of "what's under the heard" in terms of components, but rather, focusing on sound and functionality, and the experience. For technical information, please visit www.sequential.com.
Please check out my 25-minute no-talking demo playing the Prophet 5/10 in a fully realized situation with FX and processing: • THE NEW PROPHET 5 REIS...
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@jamiepastman5594 2 года назад

professional keyboard player for 40 years here. i could have only dreamed of having this much information available to me when choosing my synths over the years. this is fantastic and deeply appreciated, thank you!

@ZombieTactics 3 года назад

Now that Sequential has implemented the "vintage" feature on the Prophet-6 and OB-6 ... I'd be interested in an "update: video.

@jebobes 3 года назад

totally.

@stefpir 3 года назад

a quick update would be nice 🤘

@mowensmd 3 года назад

You just saved me like 2 grand. Thanks!!

@M3333C 3 года назад

@@mowensmd im not sure the new p6 vintage knob makes it sound like a p5. Closer maybe but still not on par

@andreievkalupniek5717 3 года назад

I agree - I am very curious about the Updated vintage mode on the P6 vs the P5/P10 re-issue

@SerErris 3 года назад

That is such a great video - no battle just explaining and showing and then brining both to their best strength .. Please keep on making such great videos.

@denniswhite7249 3 года назад

Outstanding and informative comparison. Thank you so much for taking the time to create and share this.

@zedd_centauri 3 года назад

This was SO SO SO good. Thank you so much for spending the time to make this. I’m already sold on the P10, but this, like your other tour of the P10 sounds, is just wonderful. You are also a terrific player which helps. Keep the videos coming!

@csohrab 3 года назад

Superb comparison and beautiful sounds. Full soul included. Good job and many thanks!

@cmclight 2 года назад

Simply one of the best review / comparing videos I‘ve ever watched. Thx for taking the time - esp. programming these patches for showing the similarities and differences. Insightful, clear and a joy to watch you play these legends!

@bruin4937 3 года назад

Such an intelligent and informed review/comparison. REALLY liked and subscribed - thank you for having this RU-vid channel, J3PO.

@ruymijazzer 3 года назад

fantastic job mate!!! this review is absolutely perfect, your filter/envelope/sound design knowledge is totally 100% never ending ∞ perfect!!!!!

@skoddeskoddesen4241 3 года назад

Very Professional and great demo/comparison of these two units!

@markaprill6501 3 года назад

More of a master class on sound design than a simple comparison vid.. thank you so much.

@mpmi7588 3 года назад

One more statement. Hell yeah this video helped. Hands down THE best comparison video of these.

@OwensDrumming 2 года назад

I’ve owned the P10 for over a year now and I still get goosebumps every time I play it. It truly is a magical instrument. It is so simple and barebones, but it sounds so good with everything you throw at it. I’ve never heard oscillators that are so lively and organic. The raw tone is so sweet and lush. Truly the perfect instrument- a flawless synthesizer design.

@M3333C Год назад

have u ever played a prophet 6? How much of a difference do you think it is, does the Prophet 6 at least come close to that goosebump level?

@OwensDrumming Год назад

@@M3333C I own a Prophet 6. It definitely can be P5-like and can replicate a lot of the classic P5 sounds to 95% accuracy. It does have a little different character though. It doesn’t have quite the richness in sound that the Prophet 5 has. It’s a little thinner and brighter sounding. It does so much more than the Prophet 5 though, and it’s definitely worth having both. The P6 is so versatile and can do some really amazing modern sounds. It goes far beyond where the P5 can. The P5 does have a little more of a rich sound though

@wurlinnawurl Год назад

@@OwensDrumming I agree, you can get much closer in mono and no effects though.

@MacXpert74 3 года назад

Very cool comparison video. I really liked how you both demonstrated the similarities and the differences between both instruments. The Prophet 5/10 does indeed have more of a vintage feel to it, which I really like.

@alpharisc 3 года назад

The tone of that Prophet-10 is unmatched, I can't even explain it, it's perfect. I think its also impacting how you play and what you choose to play giving it even more sauce. Great video

@davebellamy4867 Месяц назад

39:43

@AlexanderAlm 3 года назад

pure gold! I have the p6, and was curious about the differences. great job clearing that out. am getting a p10 asap!

@francoisvion 3 года назад

Very good, deep and honest comparaison with real artistic arguments. Thank you !

@rahjtaren5769 2 года назад

Great demo. Thank you! Wonderful how you brought out such subtly of each. And yes, history! 😊

@revolution909 3 года назад

Thank you for this. Amazing comparison, beautiful design and playing.

@amossingleton7921 3 года назад

Hands down, the best fifty-three minutes and nine seconds I’ve ever spent on RU-vid. I already have a P6 and will be buying the P10 desktop version ASAP. Your patches mos def suit my style of production and live play so I’ll be heading over to your site tonight. Thx for a very informative and well presented (your chops bro🔥🤢🔥) video. Here’s another like, subscription, and share. Cheers

@patrickwilliams3575 8 месяцев назад

great job on this video. I've never seen anybody do a more conscientious and thorough job of comparing two instruments in detail.

@ToddUrban 3 года назад

Great walkthrough Julian! Super detailed review!

@j3po784 3 года назад

Thanks Todd! :)

@GNeuman 3 года назад

That was an absolutely superb review. Thank you so much for your efforts.

@FilippoBeckPeccoz 7 месяцев назад

I spent the last hour recreating these patches on my Rev 2, trying to get as close as possible - that was both fun AND educational! What a brilliantly made comparison, thank you very much :)

@mchyiporosty 3 года назад

Okay, now, after the last update, we have the vintage knob in the P6. Thanks so much Sequential! Wow!

@PeterJamesProductions 3 года назад

Amazing review and comparison!!! Watched it all the way through. I have an OB6 and just recently purchased a Prophet 5 and absolulty love the raw tone of the Prophet 5, but also love the additional features the OB6 has built in. They complement each other really well.

@joshuagaboian2556 7 месяцев назад

Man I can not possibly thank you enough for this video. I would've never imagined such in depth guidance through this question. Thanks to you, I can now make my purchase, which is thrilling!

@thelachster 3 года назад

Best comparison video between two synths I've ever seen

@mirkocaserta 3 года назад

Brilliant video. Your playing is a joy to hear. Love those voicings.

@SynthgodXXX 3 года назад

This comparison was excellent! Now I want the Prophet-10 even more! :)

@tonyodoherty6241 3 года назад

Wonderfull video! Superb presentation. V informative and straight to the point. No “waffling”, so unusual in many presentations!

@bennettsobel 3 года назад

Such a great comparison. Thanks, Julian!

@davidhayman9330 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for this video, you took the time to match them so we could really pick up the subtle differences, thankyou so much!

@McEnroe911 3 года назад

Maybe the best youtube synth video I've seen. You're a great teacher.

@1881Gordon 2 года назад

This comparison is a masterclass. I'll never own or be able to play either instrument in the way you do, but I sure enjoyed the journey. Thanks for uploading. Fantastic content!

@DiamondWoodStudios 2 года назад

Never say never!!

@mwilkins 3 года назад

Fantastic video! Thanks for taking the time to make this and demonstrate some of the capabilities of both of these instruments. It is great fun to watch a master craftsman at work! I purchased a Prophet 6 about four years ago. What I find interesting is that I have come to appreciate and love its sound and musical abilities more and more over time. It is a true musical instrument capable of great beauty and nuance as opposed to something that sounds novel and catchy and then quickly loses its luster. After only four years, it’s kind of early to call, but I kind of compare it to the acoustic grand piano that I’ve had for 20 years. I enjoy both more and more over time. More practice and more playing show their capabilities and prove their worth. And this video has shown me even more things that I did not realize I could do with the Prophet 6. It’s hard for me to justify having a Prophet 10 alongside the P6, but it is fun to think about. Thanks again!

@agilekind 3 года назад

Really excellent unbiased comparison, thanks for putting the time in. I’d already ordered a Prophet 10, and never considered the P6 in the past because it left me cold. I think you did a great job of showing it’s more than I thought it was, but the sheer ‘weight’ of the P10 will win me every time

@harveyjones6564 2 года назад

Good to see someone so passionate about sound!!

@mikecorbett5831 3 года назад

I already have an OB-6, so adding a Prophet-10 gives me the best of both worlds, rather than a Prophet-6 as I had originally planned. Thank you for this informative video. I watched the entire thing from start to finish.

@markmccann1 3 года назад

This sounds like a great idea. I’ve been tossing up the p6 ob6 option for a while and now thinking of getting a p10. Maybe the p10 - ob6 duo will be the perfect option 👍

@Fluxwithit 3 года назад

Great video. And some of the comments in here are great too. I’m finding the restraint in the p5 is kinda the star for its sound. It’s just all sweet spot and very polite. I will say i can get very close sounds on other synths however there is something inspiring about being hands on with it. From the woodwork to the layout. It really is something special. And deceptively deep.

@Hamfantasy56 3 года назад

Expert, serious, you are a great sinth specialist and a good musician.Thanks for your videos

@ArmenChakmakian 3 года назад

Thanks Julian. You obviously put a lot of time into this. Great job!

@j3po784 3 года назад

🙏

@smokey5100 3 года назад

Excellent video. Can't wait to buy those patches!

@Stue007 3 года назад

What a brilliant comparison - thank you so much!!

@station2station544 3 года назад

Great video - right when you think one is better, Julian blasts your reality by demonstrating the other. I'll withhold my preference. Both are excellent.

@jamarwright 3 года назад

Killer vid, Julian. Thanks for sharing!

@kiko1935 3 года назад

The prophet 5/10 Rev 4 is super cool and nostalgic but the prophet 6 is more interesting to me, specially the stereo spread. I love being able to spread the oscillators without relying on chorus or some effect. And the fx are nice just to have. But I'm glad Dave released the prophet 5/10 for the people who have wanted it for years. He's a good dude for that. Also great video thank you for taking the time to make this.

@andyhagertyelectronicmusic1336 3 года назад

This is the comparison video I was hoping someone knowledgeable would make! Thanks J3PO!

@harveyjones6564 2 года назад

Superbly detailed. Dude knows what he's on about.....

@MelissaAtwell 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this excellent, thorough comparison!

@reneotten7376 3 года назад

This must have been a lot of work for you. Thank you so much.

@sk8luv33films 6 месяцев назад

great synth breakdown, much needed 🔥🔥🔥

@notalwaysavailable Год назад

Amazing job, as usual, J3PO!

@anthony_leckie 3 года назад

Phenomenal comparison. Thank you so much.

@BruceCopenLaboratories Год назад

Thanks very much for this comparison - I do admire very much what you‘re saying about the mojo of an instrument, how it makes you feel and how it influences how and what you play - thanks again

@MrFunktone 2 года назад

Thanks you for this video..this is hands down the best synth demonstration of two absolutely iconic and incredible sounding machines. Your patches are insanely good as is your playing. Just superb quality all the way and very inspirational and super informative. I would be very interested to know where I can find your music. All the best

@raymondjones4390 2 года назад

J3PO - really really great video. Can't express enough how much I appreciate it and it's well done. I know what you mean, both are great synths, but the old school prophets, just have an X-factor that makes them feel more organic, more gritty, more "real". Listen or watch Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense", Bernie Worrell's (RIP) work on the Prophet on that tour is nothing short of incredible. His Prophet screams and occupies it's own phat space with crystal clarity and just is soul-rattling good-sounding. In fact I think they used 2 or 3 Prophet-5's onstage. Thanks again.

@DiamondWoodStudios 2 года назад

I highly agree the old synths always seem to be the best when it comes to raw sound, and especially the vintage prophet sounds sooo MYTHICAL it feels like the final boss of synthesizers but I must say, these new prophets sound sooo similar I feel like it’s hard to tell the difference. Do you think these differences would stick out when you’ve fully processed it in your mixes? Cuz man at $4500 cad this is a steal to own such a mythical beast

@SamuelLaflamme 3 года назад

What a great review of both instruments! Thank you so much for showing the P6 for what it is, and not just trying to match it to the P10. ;) Both are great instruments! The moment I put my hand on the P10, I knew I wasn't going to sell my P6. Not because it could almost match the P10, but because of all other great things the P6 can creates. Having compared both, the P10 made me love the P6 more!! Now the P10 is just pure musical magic. It's elegant, and when you play it, as you said, it makes you feel like playing the Rolls-Royce of synths. It's a beautiful instrument like a Grand piano. Thanks again for this outstanding review!

@SamuelLaflamme 3 года назад

I would love Sequential to release a Prophet 6 Rev 2 with 5 oct, vintage knob instead of SLOP, Bigger knobs and Filter switch between P5 rev1-2, rev3 and P6. It's a dream.. but it's legit to dream sometimes! :)

@brianschiller4053 Год назад

This video was very helpful. Thank you! I ended up getting the Prophet 5.

@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 3 года назад

Thank you for this great video that answers all my questions on the differences between the Prophet 5/10 and 6 and shows your excellent and programming skills! If I hadn't had the OB-6, Moog One 16v and Alesis Andromeda and lack of space, I would definitely go for the new Prophet 10. Why not for the 6? Well, I had the choice once between an OB-6 and a Prophet 6, and I bought the OB-6 for its filter morphing options. The sonic detail, the superb layout and the extra voices would make the 10 preferable to me.

@nilespeterclemens8328 3 года назад

My goodness the day has come I never thought I’d see it. This will look amazing next to my voyager XL.

@chrismurphy9750 3 года назад

Awesome deep dive comparison! Agree that both are filled with that analog goodness and "knobby-ness" tactile feel! One idea for those that want the Prophet 5/10 for live performance with multiple synths is to feed the Prophet 5/10 audio into external audio for the effects section of certain synths like a Novation Summit or Waldorf Quantum for effects processing. It's a shame that Sequential instruments don't have that capability in general. I can't wait for those custom patches. You are a master soundscaper.

@eratodisques Год назад

incredible video, and great player. P5/10 definitely ! Thanks for your work !

@valeriylysenko576 3 года назад

Great job and nice picture. I like the way you do it

@CyrGlz 3 года назад

Thanks a lot for this great comparaison !

@newignis 3 года назад

I've never been much into the Prophet sound in the past decades up until the Prophet 5 was rereleased, but its price was no match for me. However, now the vintage setting is available on the 6 (like on my OB-6), I've been watching your video again with even more scrutiny (actually I've not been looking at the video, just played back the sound in a contained space on my Nikko Hi-fi) to better absorb their tone and musicality. Three conclusions: 1) the OB-6 and Prophet 6, although using the same controller platform, sound very different 2) the prophet 5/10 and 6 sound very similar in most ways 3) for the first time ever, I'm tempted to acquire a Prophet-6 ... Thanks for the effort in making this.

@TheNicoDavis 3 года назад

I'd love to hear some stuff with the Prophet 5/10 in the context of a full track! Also you should do a studio tour!!!

@MusicZtorm 3 года назад

Big thanks, a very good comparison ! :) I hope you will demonstrate sounds with all osc forms engaged in futur videos

@carsonyuh 3 года назад

These are so even, seriously one of the only synth comparisons where I can’t choose lol. Usually I find a winner

@christopherpederson1021 2 года назад

The 5 seriously

@huberjonathan 3 года назад

Incredible Julian. Thank you!

@MuzixMaker 3 года назад

Excellent review. Kudos!

@adrianh63 3 года назад

Thanks for the comparison video 👍🏽

@andreysavelev9004 3 года назад

P 10 - Tony Banks great sounds and Genesis atmosphere. Thanks for video.

@MarshalArnold 3 года назад

Excellent composition vid, really shows IMO why someone might want to get both.

@MuzixMaker 3 года назад

Matt Johnson has both. The 6 goes on the road, 10 stays in the studio.

@HarryRauer 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing this excellent comparison, Julian! For the great musician you are, your presentation is amazingly structured 🤩 (....you know, the „left brain“/„right brain“ stuff 🤓...). I think the P 5/10 has definately more „mojo“ and „vintage charm“. The new „vintage“ update doesn‘t help much (as some of the other comments sugest). I have an OB-6 and lately installed that firmware update. When Julian compares the raw oscillators, they sound pretty similar. So I guess it must be in the Curtis base filters of the 5/10 and probably the envelopes. I would sum up by saying, that the P6/OB-6 are „modern“ synths (as they also include the extra features Julian explained and pointed out to clearly) and the P5/10 is THE time machine, bringing THE vintage classic to modern (relyable) times. Big thank you to Dave Smith for the re-incarnation of the P5 and Julian for this excellent, enlightning comparison.

@a2zmusictvuk 3 года назад

I don't normally comment on videos but a simple thumbs up just does not do this justice. Absolutely brilliant job Julian - It covers everything and displays a depth of knowledge and understanding (as a human being and musician as well as a sound designer) rarely seen in such videos. I could not wish for anything more in helping my understanding of these 2 synths; without actually getting my hands on the Prophet 5/10 (I already own the 6). Thank you for your time and effort in putting together this brilliant comparison and exploration of the Prophets. Worth the wait! and the video editing pain... Thanks again!

@j3po784 3 года назад

Thank you. 🙏 I had fun making the vid :)

@lilskullymane4057 3 года назад

amazing review. very happy with my p6 after seeing this, especially with the updated vintage feature

@Doppeltgemoppelt09 2 года назад

Which vintage features ?

@brianmcleod3783 Год назад

@@Doppeltgemoppelt09 since you didn't get a reply, this person was talking about a firmware update that allows the user to switch the "slop" knob to now be a "vintage" knob (which the P5/P10 have). This feature randomizes various components of the sound (including pitch and envelopes) making it sound like older components that would naturally drift a bit, and gives it a warmer, more vintage feel.

@Doppeltgemoppelt09 Год назад

@@brianmcleod3783 ok need to check it on my p6

@makeperceive Год назад

Outstanding work, subscribed

@peterkadarmusic9728 3 года назад

I’ll definitely be back to watch this later. Seeing as the 6 was like a modern reimagining of the 5, I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts.

@stoatystoat174 4 месяца назад

Intresting well made video. Love both of them. Got a full 10 mins into this video before i remembered i cant afford either of these, but do own a behringer Pro - 800 and enough guitar pedals to make it ok so will go play that :)

@dukestravels1861 2 года назад

Clearly explained. Nicely demonstrated.

@adamloris 5 месяцев назад

What a great video. Thanks so much for this

@Luigi1984 3 года назад

Great video and very good job ! The p6 is more complete and sounds very similar but i think the p5/10 has more punch and low mids

@IKI-KIKI 3 года назад

I'm a total noob but I find this video to be surprisingly fascinating. Actually played an analogue synth, the Prophet 10, for the first time in the store last week and was super intrigued.

@patrickmcnaryhayes545 3 года назад

Thanks for making me jealous but still affirming us 6 lovers. Can't argue with that distortion knob, and no way I could give up my arp. Love the glide sauce trick. I always have my filter hooked to a REFLEX expression pedal, key is to set the pedal to exponential. Permanent sauce on all patches, free hand.

@mauricelechenault3814 5 месяцев назад

Hello Julian, Bonjour in French. Thank you for this video. Personally, for 3 years I bought a Prophet 5 and an OB-6 (module version) and I think that they form a very successful pair. Both give me a wide and rich palette of amazing sounds!!! I completely share your philosophy about Prophet 5 nostalgia etc. And thank you for saying it's a Rolls Royce of synthesizers, I'll show your comment to my friends, so they'll think before calling me crazy... Hahaha!!! Bye, Take care 🙏 -Maurice-

@BaseMosquito 3 года назад

Have Prophet 6 since day one of release. Used in everything. Live or studio. Totally recommend. Stereo is a delightful feature...you will see how it fits in live situations or studio mixes..Since the ton, is big, rich and vintage you will need 1 sound maximum 2 sounds at once (if you have a second one...module, etc.) to fill any synths scenarios. Ideally you will have an extra module (analog or digital) hooked vis MIDI for more complex live situations. Specially if splits and layers are needed and possible?! OB 6, Korg, Yamaha, Roland any of those modules and many more... will kill it along side Prophet 6 via midi! Happy creations.

@synthplayer1563 3 года назад

One of the best presentations/comparisons if not the best. Very good side effect for me is that I am trying to replicate all on my Prophet REV2 and I must say it also sounds very similar. This also shows an annoying commercial strategy by Sequential/Dave Smith to always provide the models with slightly different, but sometimes important features.

@wolfpackpresets 3 года назад

Great comparison, thanks!

@kyleplatz6295 3 года назад

The Prophet 10/5 has a cool younger brother with all the extra bits and bobs, but he’ll always be living in his older brother’s shadow. Something about that tone (hate to say warmth, as you stated), it just sounds like more of an “”instrument”” than a keyboard somehow. I’d love to own either, but damn. I’m the proud owner of a Moog Grandmother and an MS2000- the only other synths I even care to own are the OP-1 and the Prophet 5. This video just reaffirms how much I want it. I’d also prolly take a CR-78 drum machine haha. Cheers to the awesome video!

@SimonBelowpiano Год назад

Thank u! Your video helped me out... In my opinion the 5 sounds slighly warmer and fuller and u are right with the fact that the ENV's are more together with the OSC. quite small differences but totally a different feeling to play. the haptic of the prophet 5 is PERFECT! I prefer the 5 because of the little different (warmer) sound and feel... but both are really cool intruments I would say

@amplifier2 3 года назад

Very, very good. Thank you! (most of my friends would say they sound more or less the same but we - being ourselves - spent a lot of money for those differences, duhh!)

@trigg015 3 года назад

Great vid, very detailed and thorough. Prophet 5/10 wins for me. It just has that sound. It would be great if Sequential could release a Prophet 7... the core sound of the Prophet 5/10 with the Panspread from the P6 and 7 voices because it's a number 7.

@laauservohl5778 3 года назад

A very good comparison. I had beginning the 80ies the Prophet 5 and sold it in 1987. It's a pity. 3 years ago I bought the Prophet 6. So I am happy with it. I will keep the Prophet 6. I don't want to miss the effects. Both instruments are great. Love it. Thomas

@mchyiporosty 3 года назад

Now the P6 has the vintage knob - DSI added it to the firmware after the last update!