WHAT SHOOTS FASTER a compound bow or a recurve bow?  

Yes, I think so too. The mod is always smaller than the cam, so there is definetly a leverage effect.

I wonder what would happen if you put a block and tackle on a recurve bow. If you used a 2:1 ratio, and then got a bow with double the draw weight so the final draw weight was close to the original weight.

Familiarize yourself with force/draw curves. Compound bows store vastly more total energy than recurves, longbows, or primitive bows. What you are (correctly) saying is only part of the reason. In terms of energy in-energy out, recurves can actually be MORE efficient, but still slower. Another interesting phenomenon is that the gap between the velocities each is capable of narrows when heavier projectiles are used.

You just re-invented the compound bow.

Yes. You, I and a lot of archers know that. But just read the comments and you will find many people who don't.

I think that is largely dependent on the archers skill. But I think compound will be slower if you shoot with a release aid.

@@improveyourarchery What if you’re just using your fingers? Surely the recurve would be much faster, probably a good video to make showing it

@@daneofarrell9460 yes that is true, I will consider it for my next videos

The limbs are from SF archery, but that brand does not exist anymore :( And the riser is from Core Archery, but in all honesty, I don't really recommend this riser. If you are looking for some archery gear that I recommend, you might want to read this article: improveyourarchery.com/buying-a-recurve-bow/

​@ImproveYourArchery what's a very durable riser made of aluminum, I'm looking for something for shtf

Yes, I think so too. I might test that in a follow-up video.

It was a very cheap bow when I bought it. It's from the Chinese brand Kaimai

I believe the brand is kaimai. I have more info about the bow in this article: improveyourarchery.com/are-cheap-compound-bows-any-good/#My_recommendation

That depends on the recurve.

that isnt true. look at any ilf bow. my main hunting recurve is a wooden riser ilf. you can adjust almost everything about it including the draw weight, the tiller, limb angles, naturally brace hight, with the added bonus that i can change the string in the field with no tools, can take down and put back together the bow in about 20 secs, its whisper quiet, super light and at 20 to 25 yrds ( my hunting distance) deer ,moose and bear dont notice t it is tossing arrows a bit slower, and i can most definitely get a second arrow off alot faster, the big difference i see is training, you really do have to practice alot with recurves and longbows or skill deteriorates. oh and recurves and yes longbows can have sights like a compound. big advantage is size, compounds are a much smaller package over all other then a few recurves that are 48 inchs and 46 inchs, making compounds great for blinds , tree stands, and you can hold compounds for a long time at full draw, you can hold recurves for about 20 secs at full draw. that is a huge advantage maybe the biggest advantage is that. but even my recurve at 45 lbs and my long bow at 55lb will shoot a arrow clean though a deer at 25 yrds. will still go though a shoulder, not so much about speed more about the right broad head, and arrow weight. sort of like a .308 and a 45-70 or golf ball vrs bowling ball. light arrows 400ish grains vrs 650 grains , that added weight punchs though stuff. compound guys almost all seem to shoot light arrows were traditional guys seem to shoot heavy arrows. although there seems to be a movment in the compound community toward heavier arrows lately. but if your say on a back country hunt or only have one day off to hunt and your compound bow throws it cable/string or a cam cracks. its game over, only thing to break is really my string on my recurve thats a fast change no tools needed, my hunt continues. and yes if you have a take down you can have a extra set of limbs in your truck just on the off chance something happened to your limb. but changing out a limb takes less then a min and bam back in the hunt. some times more is less and less is more.

Yes exactly! That was the point I was trying to make. People often focus only on the peak draw weight, but the draw profile is also important. I might make a follow-up video on this soon.

ahhh this makes perfect sense. way more stored energy then.

@@drewmorg. yes indeed!

Yep. Look at rhe force/draw curve plots. The added bonus is the compound moves the mass in its limbs less. Less limb movement, more string movement, to over-simplify.

Yes, that is correct. But the amount of penetration is determined by two factors: the weight and the speed of the arrow. Since I used the same arrow, the only thing that can influence the penetration is the arrow speed. Ideally I would use a chronograph, but I don't have one yet.

The bow that stores the most energy will have the best penetration, unless something really weird happens, like launching arrow nearly sideways. That's the compound bow almost every time, unless we use very different arrows for each. Arrow flight and penetration are their own whole science.

You can shoot a compound bow instinctively as well. Sure it is not common to do that, but there is even a class for instinctive compound bow shooting in the World Archery rule book.

I got the foam for free from the company I work for. It was used as packing foam and I am not sure where it is from

You can buy it in many places. Amazon.com, Aliexpress, etc. for beginner gear. If you want advanced gear you can purchase it at local archery stores.

It's a Chinese bow, the brand on the limbs spell Kaimei, but I think it's sold under many brand names. For more information about the bow: improveyourarchery.com/are-cheap-compound-bows-any-good/

Yes you are probably right. But I was not sure how I could summarize it for the short. I am thinking about doing a video with the graph as you mentioned

The only difference is that you need a bow press, and they don't have to be expensive. You can see the one I am using in this short: ru-vid.comXWniyk3LaQw

I shot the same arrows in both cases. But normally heavier arrows fly slower, as they require more energy to shoot.

Imagine innovation 😮

Real bow? Was it CGI or something because I saw two bows. One was a compound bow and the other a recurve but they both seemed quite real to me

pointless comment

low iq comment

I guess this is reply to Jeffrey's comment. Because I like all disciplines!

@@improveyourarchery uh nah haha for whatever reason, youtube does this thing where it'll post a comment I wrote from something else into a short from my watch history or something along those lines, it was a video on the importance of budget bows and some things to take into consideration, not worrying about what the fellas at the range with 2000$ bows think, things like that!

@@connorhart7597 ahh okay, clear. I was confused by the comment. Strange things are happening at RU-vid ;)

Yes I understand, but in this video I wanted to demonstrate the difference between the power of a recurve and compound bow with the same draw weight. Both have a peak draw weight of 45, but that's where the similarities end.

That means your nose is working

I don't think that is the case, it might not be obvious from the video but I am quite tall (190 cm or 6 feet 2 inches). My draw length is about 31 inches on the recurve bow and 30 inches on the compound bow.

I think faster can refer to both velocity and fire rate. I could have used velocity as well, but I think that is a bit too fancy ;)

@@improveyourarchery maybe but its more specific to what ur talking about

Yes that's true, a compound bow is more complicated, but it's also easier to shoot accurately with it.

Lucky recurve bow never break ez😏

The max draw weight and exact same arrow was used (measured with a bow scale). Of course this is not a scientific test, but that is not the purpose of a short. Sure using a chronograph would be more precise, but if the projectile is the same, the only thing that could explain the increased penetration is the velocity of the arrow.

That isn't why. In fact, shorter traditional bows often shoot slower than longer bows, unless you increase the size and angle of the recurve. Leverage= energy storage. I design and make bows.

Well you’re wrong! Shorter bows are faster this is true for compounds as well. Example 40pound limbs on a 17 inch riser will draw 40 pound at 28 inchs take that same limb on 25 inch riser they drop in draw weight About 1-2 pound per inch. Theres a reason hunters use shorter amo for speed and moveablilty but sacrificing smoothness, stability and less forgiving.

@Reptiles.fossil.dinosaurs nonsense. All else equal, that is just garbage. Shorter bows store FAR less energy. It's a complex issue, when you drag theoretical dry-fire speeds, arrow Mas, etc, but short bows have stacking issues and poor f/d curves. .

@@Reptiles.fossil.dinosaurs same limbs on a longer riser is not all else equal, if it drops two lbs draw weight. Lol.

@@Reptiles.fossil.dinosaurs I'm a longtime bowhunter, bow designer, champion primitive class flight shooter, and bowyer. I'm sure there are exceptions and examples, but the rule of thumb is clear.

Ja, niet te horen toch ;)

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I think a longbow would shoot slower than both compound and recurve, assuming that the draw weight would be the same of course . The recurved and flat limbs of a recurve bow are more efficient than the limbs of a long bow, I think. I might test that in a another video.

@@improveyourarchery Which of all of the traditional bows is inherently more accurate all other things being equal?

@@thomaszaccone3960 that is a difficult question. My guess would be a flat bow or a recurve bow, but I am not sure.

@@improveyourarchery Sounds like a prospective new video.

@@thomaszaccone3960 yes indeed, I will add it to my video ideas list

The recurve bow has a slightly longer draw length (about 1 inch) so actually, the recurve bow also has a larger power stroke, but I think the difference is negligible. But I agree, it would be better to test this with a chronograph, but sadly I don't have such a device. But since the arrows are exactly the same, the only thing that should be different is the speed of the arrows. Once I have such a device I will repeat the test and post it on this channel.

Compound bows store and release energy so much more efficiently. Any 50lb compound bow will 9/10 times be faster than any 50lb recurve. They both have their uses and fun though.

It wasn't the point of this video to test my accuracy or the accuracy of the bows. It was to compare the arrow speed. But my average at 50 meters is about 9.1 per arrow on a 80 cm target face. I never shoot at 100 meters.

@@improveyourarchery you say you were testing speed, yet you didn't use a chronograph to compare speeds... What you tested was penetration, not speed, just so you are aware

@@StonedViper101 yes that is true. It would be more accurate to use a chronograph. But sadly I don't have one yet and it is less visual. But since the arrow mass and all other variables are the same, I think we could assume that the only thing different is arrow speed. But I might repeat this experiment in the future when I have a chronograph.

@@improveyourarchery are both strings made from the same material, eg, Dynema or Vectra, or a mix of both, or a flemish twist string (obviously your not using Flemish twist, but you get my point here) string material also affects speed

@@StonedViper101 good point, I want to make a follow-up video on this topic. I will consider this as well.