i still never got that. what sorta energy does Dr. Eggman harness from the animals he puts inside his badnik machine things? did anybody ever make a forum discussion on this? O_o
@@seanwilson531 Maybe it's "life energy" or something like that. Or perhaps the machine is using the animal brain as wetware for running complex calculations. It even could be that Dr. Eggman is actually insane and there is not real point in putting the animals inside at all. "Look at this rabbit. What a boring creature. I can fix it. This rabbit will look way better as a jet propelled blue metalic bee"
I love how everyone apparently chose to forget that there's a scene in the sonic movie where he goes so fast it seems like everything in the bar fight was almost completely frozen for nearly 3 minutes. To do that, while I won't calculate the actual value, it would mean that in any form (since this is base sonic who wasn't even supercharged), Sonic can move at speeds comparable to the speed of light. That mega EMP he caused pales in comparison to the actual physics behind the bar fight scene.
If he was moving for what seemed like 1.5 minutes (based off the clip) at what looks like a slow motion speed (maybe 5 m/s being generous) but the whole thing say actually a 1/100th of a second (because slight movement), he's moving at around 45,000 m a second Thats .015% the speed of light. I think you underestimate how fast light is. Even at the points he's bluring, and we're being really generous and saying he looks like hes moving 1000m/s, thats still only 0.3% the speed of light.
If he were moving at relativistic speeds, he would not see the rest of the world slow down. He would see it speed up. To an observer looking at Sonic, his relative time rate would slow down. That's the Lorentz transformation of time, otherwise known as time dilation. Hollywood doesn't seem to ever consult actual physicists on these matters...
@@MrJdcirbo Speed up is relative though At relativistic speeds they would speed up so they look like theyre always moving at around 0.33 nm a 'second' (second being counted in slow motion)
Sharon Loy no I got it, the next movie when they introduce the start of shadow. Actually turns out to be the freak show sonic which dies shortly after creation. Even horrifying the Dr. However shadow isn’t introduced till third move, but instead some crazy scheme on Dr. part. Hate it when movies rush characters in, let happen slowly.
There are many Levels of Speed: 1. Sound Speed 2. Light Speed 3. Sonic Speed 4. Closing the Incognito Tab when your parent come in Speed 5. Your Mom calling you in full name then throwing the Chancla at you Speed
"What SONIC Can Do at TOP SPEED?" Plow face first into a wall of spikes mere metres from the end of the level when I don't have rings left.... ...or.... ...run away from the highly disturbing Rule 34 images on DeviantArt.
Seriously speaking, he can: - Run past 8 universes in 8 hours. - Outrun a black hole without boosting. - Outrun a Bugatti Veyron. - Time travel somewhere. - Travel into a different dimension called "Bonus Levels".
He doesn't. He's right handed, but in videos he is seen writing with his left. The footage is mirrored. This is why he never wears a shirt with a design on it.
He's not. They film it normally and then flip the image. He just wears symmetrical clothing to hide that fact, but you can sometimes tell when he's doing things that don't have writing on screen. Or you'll see the markers seem to switch between his left and right hand for no reason. He's right-handed.
"Knuckles is cooler" You really are a supervillain to start THAT flame war in the comments. Some men just want to watch the world(or comments section) burn, don't they?
He is correct though... it is the real answer to that question. The war would start if you threw in Shadow and/or Silver. Still, Knuckles is the coolest.
I just want to say I appreciate you going through the equations. I'm majoring in physics up at college and learning all these equations while watching a fun and silly video is extremely helpful
Sonic officially is about 5'11", Moved fast enough to escape a Black Hole (games), Moved fast enough to dodge lasers (games), and basically slid through dimensions (comics)
simple math: day: 24 hrs steps 9 million: adopting an avarage step distance: .5 meters day in seconds: 86400 steps / second: 104,16 avg day speed: 52m/s i'm completelly disappointed. i'm pretty sure that in the sonic intro music says "sonic faster than light...", and in some fan forums, around 8 times i guess.
@@GrulbGL faster than LIGHT? yeah no. Sonic adventure 2 battle say's iconic music, Escape the city, sings: "Running around at the speed of sound", which I dont think they ever showed him go any faster in any media to be honest. Light speed is running something like 7 times around the planet in a second.
I really love the chance to solve some of the problems during the episodes! I was always curious to see if I could come up with and solve problems as you do and now I can practice that and watch your videos at the same time!
You always have such great energy for these episodes! If you used the debug mode in the original Sonic the Hedgehog game I think you wouldn’t have had to use an approximation for seeing how many Sonics the radius of a loop would happen to be ᕦ⊙෴⊙ᕤ purrhapps
Kyle, there is one question ALL THREE OF YOU DUDES missed: What effect would Sonic's speed have on his environment. Things like: - What happens to the air when he hits those speeds? What happens to the air IN THE LOOP-DE-LOOP when he hits those speeds? - What happens to the track that he's running on when he hits those speeds? Could the various track elements even survive? - What happens to those rings and our blue dude when he goes to collect them? Would they shoot through him like bullets? And would they survive? - What would happen to all of those bad guys being that close to the blue dude? Would they survive? What injuries would they sustain? - Are there questions I missed? I'm guessing that the blue dude isn't going fast enough to significantly alter the planet's rotational speed or inclination in the solar plane. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say his effects wouldn't be as drastic as would be in a race between Superman and The Flash, but I don't think I want to be anywhere near him when he goes zipping by.
Hey dude he made this video to give us a rough idea about Sonic's velocity not about the effcts he will cause to surrounding, if he ran at his pick speed or hypersonic speed.
@@sameemsheikh2914 Except that the start of the video sounded like he might explore effects that the other two didn't talk about. The only thing he explored was how high of a loop-de-loop could Sonic run.
Okay, following your line of questioning, -How far would you need to be from Sonic's path to be safe ? What would be the effect of Sonic travelling through cities and towns? Would the structures be able to survive the blast of wind as he passed? If sonic were running to your rescue and picked you up, would you turn into a red mist like that girl from "The Boys"?
Hey Kyle, love the show. At 6:27 you wrote the equation as V squared on the left, when the equation you used to calculate sonic's entrance velocity to be 27mph had just V, so it should have been v = sqrt(5gr). If that equation was to be correct (v^2 = sqrt(5gr)), then the rearrangement of the equation would have had V to the fourth power instead of V squared. Just covering all basis just in case one of the corrections was wrong. btw i love the cut off scream
@@Freyalise50 Thank you, everyone should thumb this so he sees this one. My math disagreed with him because he rewrote the equation wrong and I didnt notice immediately.
Sonic Unleashed added a unique mechanic that: Measured ring energy collected Current speed Accelerated speed And achievable Mach speed / Max speed limit It's those little details, that give each adventure a unique experience for a player to dive into.
@ 10:00 -- 1974 days is the time difference between oct 2, 2014 (first episode of because science) and february 27, 2020 (this episode). and 282 is probably the number of because science episodes. Didn't know it was foreshadowed in this episode all along. Kyle has passed indeed.
Interesting, but I was expecting a discussion of Sonic's speed exiting the loop because: Sonic is not a rollercoaster. The thing about rollercoasters is, they coast. They get their initial impetus from the first hill and expend that over the course of their, er, course, so a coaster entering it's loop wouldn't gain back as much energy from the pull of gravity on the other side thanks to losses to friction and the kind, though "circular coaster in a vacuum" noodling says the net energy over the entire loop should be zero. But Sonic is self propelled. He is constantly adding energy to the system so as to not coast to a stop. Even if Sonic doesn't add enough velocity to maintain a constant speed in his six meter loop, if he makes up for half the energy loss at the top of the loop, entered at 12m/s to reach a speed of ~9m/s rather than ~5m/s, when he exits he should be moving at between 15~16m/s(just figuring in me head, I'm sure someone will say with more accuracy). When you scale that up to your Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic speeds, wouldn't Sonic be moving at abominable speeds? Something around ~2200m/s for Hyper Sonic?
@5:12 Kyle mentions "If he's just spinning around a loop, continuing on his speedy way, not adding energy to the system...", so I suspect this is Sonic balled up in a "non-running" form. I guess it could be calculated if Sonic were running half-way up a loop and forms into a ball at the top (seeing as you can't run downhill faster than you can run without ow), but "half the energy loss" is kinda arbitrary and Kyle calculates both "always ball" and "always running" in a satisfying way.
It was average at best wouldn't call it great. Was just OK could have been better if it was more based on the game rather than that real world bs. Hopefully the next one better with more sonic characters I feel they would interact better with each other and feel like its a actual sonic movie not just a movie with sonic in it
@@zamon8erz10 The movie actually fits really well with the games and kinda creates a lot of explanations for stuff in the games... Its kinda good for a origin... And thats the thing you and ppl saying that this movie should had more of the games.. its a origin movie, it needs to happen on earth and explain Sonic personality as well eggman origin... It needed to be like that... And because of budget...
@@TGHunter probably more budget than anything else, like I sed was a OK movie I dint hate it tho the humor was a bit hit n miss with me. I just think it would have been better with more sonic characters, but the next one will clearly have more so it might feel more like a sonic movie if you get me. This plot could have been any game character in that place I feel, I don't know the sonic lore beyond the old cartoons and the first 2 sonic games so I might be missing a lot of the hidden nods to lore
@@zamon8erz10 "I just think it would have been better with more sonic characters" Sonic 1 is about Sonic and Eggman, and it needs a start for a new audience. By that logic Sonic 1 is less Sonic than other games... which is not true. "This plot could have been any game character in that place I feel" Not really, this fits Sonic really well and gives more explanation for the events from the 3D games. "I don't know the sonic lore beyond the old cartoons and the first 2 sonic games so I might be missing a lot of the hidden nods to lore" Oh god im sure you are, btw forget the cartoon for the lore part, they never were cannon, totally a spin-off thing. I really recommend playing some more games or just looking it up, this movie shows a lot of heart behind it and it really fits Sonic, even with his personality giving room for him to delevop a lot.
Hey Kyle, love this show. For that final value you got for sonic traveling at hypersonic speeds, wouldn’t the actual diameter for the loop be greater than 120 km since sonic would be experiencing less gravity as he got closer to the border of space?
Hey show, love the Kyle! I had a question about stars and iron. If you were to throw solid iron into a star would in have the same "poisoning" effect that starts have naturally once they create iron themselves or would something different happen? Could never find this online anywhere, and was too late to the star episode to put it up when it happened.
I get where you're coming from but, no throwing a chunk of iron into a star wouldn't do anything to it. The reason why stars die when they start producing iron is that fusing iron gives you a net energy loss (consequently, producing elements heavier than iron in a star requires supernova conditions). Think about it this way, throwing a chunk of iron into a star won't affect whether or not that star still has hydrogen and helium to fuse. Hope that helps.
I'd say no, iron is just something a star can't fuse any further to create energy. If you threw a chunk of iron into a star it's like tossing a stone in your furnace, it won't burn but it won't put the fire out either. If you added a LOT of iron, though, you would probably speed the process up because its mass would increase.
Hey Kyle, love the show and really enjoy your work, keep it up! Just a small error I spotted at 6:12. The square of the velocity doesn't increase with the square root of the radius (times constants), your left hand side of the equation was squared but the right hand one was not. Much love from Germany! And as I said: Please keep up the cool work :)
It's even more bonkers than that, because your equation assumes that gravity is constant, rather than decreasing proportionately to the distance away from the Earth's surface. I'm not sure exactly how you would go about factoring that into your equations, and it would probably make them way more complicated. Reality is awesome and messy. Thank you for another excellent episode!
Yeah, a bunch of us almost started to believe the world was flat. However, in my case, it was only to go hang out at Ankh-Morpork and maybe try to feed the great space turtle A'tuin.
Can you explain what that centrifugal force is? From what I understand there isn't any centrifugal force at all on top of the loop, just an initial upward velocity gained earlier in the loop which temporary keeps Sonic on top of the loop but not forever. If there was a centrifugal force and a centripetal force equal and against eachother, Sonic can stand still on top of the loop and he will just keep going in the motion that he started with.
Key Kyle! Long time listener first time caller. Early in the video you say that Sonic isn't adding any energy to the system after he enters the system. While it is true that there is no energy from outside the system assisting him, Sonic wouldn't inherently run right up until he reaches the bottom of the loop and start rolling, but could continue running along the entire circumference of a loop to keep up his speed. This way he could either enter a loop slower and keep running in order not to fall at or before the peek of the loop or enter the loop at high speeds and then, after reaching the peek, continue running and accelerate to a speed faster than that at which he entered. The rate at which Sonic could accelerate and the amount of friction that he could apply the the loop would then be much more significant in determining how large a loop he could complete as he fights gravity on the way up the initial incline. Such speeds could create incredible centrifugal forces and, depending on Sonic's mass, could put the structure of the loop in jeopardy if his legs don't give way first. Because of this, I hypothesize that Sonic could potentially run around a loop with a diameter much larger than 120 km, so long as the loop were made of sufficiently strong materials.
I think it would be REAL interesting if a video were made on who would be faster-The Flash or Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic would be no match but I think even Shadow could give Flash a run for his money. The black hedgehog can run at near light speed after all.
@@ayyyjirachi6530 yes but Sonic needs Super Sonic form to even keep up. JUST on his OWN, Shadow can run at near light speed levels. When he's Super Shadow, he's damn near invincible lol. And say if we had Barry Flash vs Shadow.
@@TheRibottoStudios Sonic runs faster than light in his base form. In Sonic CD he was traveling through time and in Sonic Generations he was able to restore color, life, and time to the zones he was running in. It was also confirmed by SEGA themselves that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver have the same speed...you can't wank Shadow and downplay Sonic.
What's interesting to point out here is that, considering the Sonic Wiki's top speed for him being around hyper-sonic speeds, and how that allows him to complete a loop that extends all the way to space, this implies that he's actively leaving the atmosphere of the earth, and therefore, the gravitational forces keeping him held down. With this in mind, we'd have to include as part of this calculation (somehow) that the gravitational pull that he's experiencing is decreasing the further up the loop he goes, similar to how rocket scientists and mathematicians have to calculate a rocket leaving the planet's orbit at a precise time and place. No matter what the calculations come out to, this means the loop he could theoretically complete is even larger than the one calculated in this video!
Thanks for the video Kyle I love telling people facts that I've learned, any way where do you get most of your information from or do you not have a preference also please forgive me for my spelling
Hey Kyle, love the shooooow! Is it actually possible for a biped to run a complete loop? I might be wrong, but I don't think so. While we can clearly do it on a bicycle or skateboard or roller coaster (we have lots of evidence of that :-P ) there is an important difference between them and running: we are constantly in contact with the surface. The reason that we are able to loop a loop is because there is a reaction normal force applied by the floor/tracks/whatever on us that creates a centripetal force that forces us to continue in a circular trajectory. In contrast, while you run, you are step by step applying some amount of force on the ground to avoid falling and then slightly jumping of the ground, being gravity responsible for pulling you down again for the next step. Now, if you invert this, imagine that you are at the top of the loop (actually, anywhere in the upper half would do, I think). You might have some velocity tying you to the ground at that point but then you take a step. So, you jumped upside down. What is pulling you up now? It is possible that I'm missing something like "You are actually not jumping while running, your legs are moving but your center of gravity is at the same height". In that case, my argument is the one that is falling, not Sonic, but I doubt that's the case. Or maybe in real life we are actually jumping but Sonic has some weird technique that allows him to do this. But if that is the case, I would love to see a theory about it in footnotes... wink wink It's great to see you again Kyle, thank you for this amazing channel and all the work you've done so far!
The ones that I could find are just people doing a backflip with extra steps (pun intended). Their center of mass stays practically at the same height while they have their feet on the upper half of the loop. They can kinda do it just because they move their feet fast enough to "run" the loop while their center of mass is at it's highest point and gently enough to not push them downward. If they were actually running, I still think it would be impossible.
Welcome back. I was wondering if you could discuss some other channels's conclusions on a footnotes, like a "responds to" video, or something similar. For example MattPat recently looked at Link's strength and I was wondering if you could point out why you came to wildly different values.
Hey Kyle. Love the show. There seems to be a math error at 6:12 where the Vtot should not be raised to the power 2 when the right hand side has a square root over it. Keep it up :)
Nice vid as always ;) In fact, Sonic could run through even bigger loops, if you stop assuming the gravitational force to be constant while increasing the distance between the Object and the earths mass Center. Especially for the 120km loop, this will surely make a Difference :)
Love the channel as always. Couple questions to consider: How fast are his feet moving? Twice the speed of himself? How many steps is he taking per second? (6 foot human = 2.5 foot stride. 2.5 foot creature = 1.25 foot stride. -1700 m/s = ~5600 ft/s That’s nearly 4500 steps per second, just roughly off the napkin. Not challenging him on the FitBit.) What amount of force is being applied to his feet to accelerate to those speeds? What about friction and how much that will slow him down after entering the loop at any given speed? Also, what about his inability and/or ability to continue to apply force to himself as he climbs the entry? No time to super nerd this all of them up.
Oh lets see well for the loop take the force required to move something that is roughly 3m in size and weighs about 30 lbs. For the friction? Well I don't know the exact speed reduction. His inability to add speed while he's going up the loop? Have you ever played a Sonic game and tried to go on a loop?
One of the early cutscenes in Sonic Heroes shows Sonic matching and outpacing a jet aircraft, even running backwards while maintaining said speed for a while.
HKLTS. When you're dealing with distances that go to space, you shouldn't treat g as a constant. Using the comparatively straightforward g=GM/r2, we can see that on Earth's surface (r= the 6,378.1 km from Earth's center) gravity exerts 341.923 Newtons on Sonic, but at an extra 120 km above the earth's surface that value drops to 330.375 Newtons. That's a decrease of 3.37%. Factor that in, and that means Sonic can get to 124.195km. Of course, that distance does decrease gravity's effects even further, by a little over 1 Newton. To actually draw up the most correct answer requires using calculus to find the limit, but at that point we should also be looking at what Sonic gains be running through thinner and thinner atmosphere and also the potential issues presented by not being able to breathe for a significant percentage of his trip, so I think I'm going to finish making lunch instead.
Even faster than that. Video game sonic shows FTL speeds. He’s outran a black hole while in space. This is a massively faster than light feat. Not only that in the comics he can move casually at 13 trillionths of a millisecond. Base form. He’s also traveled BACKWARDS IN TIME as a result of his speed. This is an immeasurable speed feat. Aka infinite speed. Since we know Speed= distance/time. Him traveling backwards in time as a result of speed would be immeasurable since you can not measure the time
Nah, wouldn't make a difference, the ISS moving around the earth experiences roughly 90% of the gravitional acceleration as compared to the surface of the earth and that's 400Km away, so yeah.
@@peterpryce7827 He might be able to pick up speed due to less dense air though, depends if his maximum speed is limited by how fast he can move his legs,, his energy potential or his danger of melting.
I did the math... G is 4.35% less at the top of a 150km loop as for the top of a 6m loop (since Gtop = (Rbot / Rtop)^2 * Gbot = (6406 / 6550)^2 * Gbot = ~95.65% Gbot)
A loop reaching into space could be a really cool level, even if the loop takes minutes to complete you could just fill it with interesting stuff while the background gradually gets darker and satellites start to fly by
When Kyle says "centrifugal force" I'm always remembering my physics teacher telling the class several times that there's only the centripetal force (because the centrifugal force is a pseudo force as it's only a thing we experience due to Newton's third law). Now I can't even hear the words "centrifugal force" without having shivers down my spine and my teacher's voice in my head. Anyways, I loved the show! (P.S I use they/them pronouns...)
From the perspective a stationary frame of reference (the loop), the centripetal force is what the loop feels from sonic flying through it and being accelerated radially. The centrifugal force is the pseudo force sonic feels in his moving frame of reference, equal and opposite to the centripetal force, Newton's third law; they are just 2 sides of the same coin.
It makes sense that he is so fast if you remember Doomsday Zone in Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Even if you don't have all of the chaos and super emeralds, Sonic is still seemingly able to move at the required velocity.
Not really a comment about this show, but it always amazes me how you right all the equations backwards and right to left... I'd ad pretty well too... Was it hard to get used to? Regarless, keep up the good work Kyle! Love the show!
James Neave Centrifugal force takes place along the radius of the circle from the center out towards the object. Centripetal is the force along the radius from the object towards the center. So centripetal force is that which keeps you moving in a circle. Centrifugal force is what forces you to the outer most edge of the circle.
@@NinjaBearFilms no, no, no, you're line goes: "A laughable claim, mr bond, perpetuated by overzealous teachers of science. Simply construct Newton's laws in a rotating system and you will see a centrifugal force term appear plain as day"
