I know that hearing a brief description of Nikon’s quarterly and annual financial reports is not of interest for some folks. However Nikon’s financial and business health is vital for those who have loyalty to the company’s brand. Thank you, Kon, for diving in every three months and explaining what Nikon has reported. It’s always informative. 👍🏽
Hi , my Z9 does everything I need without a global shutter. Just keep updating firmware. I have 4 Nikon flash units, and haven’t touched them for over 2 years and then it was to change the rechargeable batteries. I hope Nikon bring out the Z9s or h and continue past the 2024 Olympic Games with the current Z9. I will not upgrade this camera because it is does everything I throw at it. I’ve been actively photographing since 1959 and exclusively Nikon since 1988. Lenses are all I will upgrade to when needed. Best regards TonyH
Photographing since 1959! That's truly amazing. Even my father wasn't born on that time and he's 63 now. You must be a legend in real terms. Wishing you all the best!
Hi, yes time goes too quickly, there are two saying I stick with, “I may be old, but I feel young” and, “I may be crazy, but I’m not stupid. Thanks for the nice comments, keep creating, TonyH
I believe Becky and Kon didn't mention the shortcomings of the sensor itself like a base ISO of 250, loss of dynamic range which we do not know yet (but there). I also believe that having a stacked sensor in the Z9 makes it a fierce competitor; if Nikon manages to make a Z9 II with an improved sensor readout and an Expeed 8 then they won't have anything to worry about.
Base ISO of 250 for stills and 2000 for video doesn't seem to be an issues to those photographers, who used it at night. There are already several videos out on YT. Personally, I don't care much about ISO any more. I regularly shoot sports and concerts at ISO 3200-25600.
Apparently Nikon has a patent for a dual role global shutter/rolling shutter patent which was published a few years back. Maybe this is the sensor which will be used?! Best of both worlds.
agree about ISO. dont care. i even feel that some of the grainy, high ISO shots remind me of film. and i shoot film too. because it reminds me a lot of film. @@renestaempfli1071
I'm really wondering if a future firmware update for the Z8/9 will offer RAW pre & post capture. My only other request is to allow us to choose Image Size for RAW files, like they allow for JPG/HEIF files. Up until the Z8/9, we could adjust the size / res of RAW images.
I’m with you on the RAW pre-capture and file size choice on RAW photos. That’s something that I noticed was missing compared to the Sony A7R V. If they can do it for jpg and HEIF files, it should be for RAW as well. I set the A7R V to 26MP and used that level most of the time.
It is just that the internet influencers making it big. They talk a lot about 120fps, which is such a niche use case, the flash sync speed is useful though, most didn't give enough importance to the starting ISO of 250 and potential worry on dynamic range. Now, it is rumoured that Canon is not going with GS for the R5II and R1. It is ridiculous to compare a $6K camera with a $4k Z8. I have even seen some mentioning that this is the end of Nikon and Canon in their videos. However, any new tech is good for the industry.
The Z5 is a fantastic entry level mirrorless camera for basic photography. I recommend it easily if a shooter isn’t doing any sort of action shoots as it does great otherwise and renders beautiful pics.
I think sport and wildlife photographers would at least be considering switching for a global shutter despite the raised costs. Z 50 definitely needs to be updated sooner rather then later.
For where the 24MP global shutter could fit in the Nickon stack, I think Nikon should change the stack and go something like this (for full-frame): Z9: big, flagship, fast high-MP monster Z8: smaller Z9 Z7: the most pixels in the smallest body possible, rolling shutter be damned (aka shove 60+MP in the Z7 III and beyond) Z6: fastest sensor possible, global shutter on the III and up Z5: takes over the Z6 I/II's current slot as the higher-end lower-res FF (33MP would be very nice for a Z5 II in my hypothetical stack) Z4: cheapest possible FF with IBIS (previous-gen IBIS if needed to lower the cost) Z3: even cheaper FF - no IBIS, no EVF (or a lower-res/lower-FPS EVF), previous-gen processor
I like the Z8 better than the Z9 because it is smaller and can do just about everything the Z9 can do with less function button. I now own all of the Nikon Z mirrorless cameras except for the Z6 & Z7 but have their better equivalents in the II's. All great cameras and with the right glass can perform well beyond expectations. Cheers!
Agree w Konstantin that 24 megapixels is the new floor, but I also think it remains a design sweet-spot, balancing the issues of very low and high mp sensors.
Big thanks, Becky and Konsta, for another captivating video (setting aside the interesting first part ➕➖➗✖💱💲🤣). Global Shutter technology is a hot topic in the industry, addressing the wobbling effect and unlocking the potential for higher shutter speeds with flash/strobes. However, it's not without its drawbacks, like a loss in dynamic range and a base ISO of 250. Yet, these pros and cons aren't written in stone for Global Shutter technology and eventually, it will keep on improving. I believe, as you both hinted, that integrating Global Shutter into your camera body could be a compelling reason for the brand to roll out a new model. While Nikon will likely incorporate GS technology in the future, possibly with improvements over the A9 III, I still think Nikon has work to do with its auto-focusing technology. Despite significant improvements with the Z9 and Z8, Nikon's Auto Focus lags behind Canon and Sony. It's a crucial area for them to focus on. While bringing in GS tech is vital, enhancing Auto Focus should also be a priority. That's just my take; what are your thoughts?
With the idea that a DSLR has a slightly lower noise advantage than mirrorless cameras due to separate metering, would a DSLR then have even better low noise performance with a global shutter because of the reduced capture time? Hope I explained that ok. Could we see a DSLR with a global shutter? Or even a hybrid DLSR/Mirrorless with lock-up-able mirror?
Global shutter will be most welcome - the flicker reduction already in the Z8 is great. I will wait for Nikon to introduce global shutter, the alternatives are just not contemplateable in the current circumstances.
Personally I would be scared of the price of a 45.7MP Global Shutter camera, 6K for 24.6MP Full Frame will be a tough sell for a lot of people, it has advantages obviously and will appeal to a niche market. I wish Sony well and being a Sensor Manufacturer it makes sense that they would come out with this first, don't know if going to a higher resolution camera is possible at this time but who knows (Canon may be 1st with a High resolution global shutter). Most folks can get the results they want with what they have, I am not hurting to see this in a Nikon tomorrow but everyone will do it because many will promote it as a have to have in any new model. I personally need my high resolution camera and if this sensor adds 2-3K to a camera body, possibly adds more noise to images or has less dynamic range (TBD), sorry not interested.
I believe stacked sensor technology is going to trickle down to the lower end models before the global shutter comes into the mix . The global shutter will be a niche market sports /performance Swiss Army Knife version of the Z9 or Z8 to start . My guess. I’d love to see a Z1 line also . Then the Z6iii could have a stacked 24mp low light monster. Z7iii a 60ish mp sensor of some kind .
There is a market for professional photographers with the budget and they will benefit from a global shutter. Those with Nikon gear will throw money at this - especially for events, fashion (flash speed), wildlife and sports. This may divide the segments more cleanly such that non-professional, enthusiast photographers with cash to burn but not enough will be steered toward the z8 and z9 instead. Either way, if Nikon releases a new global shutter line, they will split (and narrow) the niche. Just my humble opinion.
I’m a bit ‘meh’ about global shutter - though flash sync at any speed does appeal. I guess it’s one of those things that will appear in all cameras eventually as the price comes down. I don’t see Nikon producing a 24Mp Z9 just to include GS…
I dont see "Global Shutter" as a massive change. Its simply a faster way to read the sensor, the Z9 which is fast enough to read image data without banding in most use cases. Will sensors move to this "Global" reading, sure but it hasn't got me remotely considering dumping my Z9 for it. The very small number of use cases and some of the compromises that others have mentioned I feel comfortable with Nikon through the medium term. What I will wait to see will be the next evolution in the Expeed family, as like most things this is becoming a software driven world :-) As always Kon and Becky, great update and summary of Nikon financials.. for a boring subject I enjoy your commentary.
I don't completely understand how the global shutter works, but my guess is, it's the processor speed that allows it to read so fast. Each generation we keep getting faster processors that are more capable.
I'll speculate wildly. Watching what Nikon has been doing recently; the feature distribution across their current lineup; and looking at the present positioning of the competition, I think the Z6III and Z7III will each arrive with their own distinguishing features in the marketplace: 1. The Z6III will arrive with a stacked sensor in the 24-33MP range and will be priced around $3K USD, making it the least expensive full frame camera on the market to utilize a stacked sensor. I also think it will have impressive video specs. Of course it will offer Expeed 7 and inherit the autofocus sensor stabilization from the Zf, etc. 2. The Z7III will arrive with significantly north of 60MP, making it the highest resolution full frame camera on the market. Also Expeed 7 and several of the other new features of the Zf. Not sure what the price will be, but it will probably split the difference between the Z6III and Z8, maybe being a bit closer to the Z8.
I'm struggling to find, in my mind's eye, where I need a global shutter. While I'm keen to see it in a Nikon, because I can see it becoming a "haves vs have-nots" marketing pivot point, it's not yet solidified into a must-have for me personally in photography terms.
I think the global shutter will come to Nikon but only in the Z9 mark II, then filter down into other generation’s of camera once the technology becomes cheaper and more available.
Hello both, I thought that I would not chip in on the global shutter? It is some thing I have been dreaming of for years. I do think your last suggestion was the most appealing will updating the Z9 to aZ9ii with better ibs and other software features, have a completely new version of the Z9ii but called Z9g with a global shutter with all the but dates the the Z9ii has. But at cost premium.
Time for me to sell my Z5, before the Z6 III gets released and not lose any more money. We need IBIS for the DX bodies and potentially have a supercharged Z50 and Z30, also with a bump in MP.
Exactly. It's about the Flash T1 measurements. Only very few Flashes (i.e. Profoto Pro-11 Pack used many of the Sony A9 III press parties and some others) will be able to peak at such outrageously fast shutter speeds.
1/80,000th flash sync is insane! With a 1/2000th to 1/5000th of a second, with a global shutter, this would be fine with a good speedlight like the SB5000. With HHS, the higher the shutter speed, the more inefficient it becomes.
1/5000th may be too high, but 1/2000th would be easier than with using HSS. The flash duration is the primary factor, but without HSS, the speedlight is much more efficient.
If Nikon are able to give me 1/400s shutter on a firmware update for Z9 I’d be happy. They could limit the frame rate when going to this mode but most of us portrait photographers wouldn’t complain as we don’t need that frame rate anyway.
The global shutter is a big technological leap in the camera industry, but it is in its infancy. It will take a few years to perfect it. The most important thing for me is that the global shutter will be the end of HHS, yay!! The stacked sensor does a pretty good job with flicker and banding anyway, not perfect, but a big improvement. I am a big fan of 24 megapixel full frame sensors. My "old" Z6II has the best high iso, low noise, image quality since my D5. I spend too much time doing noise reduction in post with my Z9 and Z8 with their 45 megapixel sensors. For lowlight dance photography, my Z6II is still champ. I am very interested in the upcoming Z6III, and I hope that it won't have more than 33 megapixels.
I did wonder about the situation where a discounted Z6ii cannibalising a theoretical Z5ii. But nikon has the option of converting the Z5ii into a sony A7C or ZVE1 style camera. I wouldn't follow what Sony is doing with the expensive pricing. Instead I'd make it a low cost full frame body for vlogging. Same specs as Z6ii but remove the viewfinder and top lcd, add a flippy screen. Keep it at $1300 or less. Basically a full frame Z30 with ibis. That's how nikon can differentiate the 5 series from the 6 series. I'd totally replace my Z30 with such a camera.
I think by 2026-2027 we might see a global shutter Nikon with a Sony sensor as I don't think they'll have any available for sale soon. So expect Sony to put one for sale within 2 years from now with similar specs to A1 II like they did with A1 vs Z9.
Nikon Z500 w/ expeed 7, 24mp bsi stacked apsc sensor, updated AF with a fully weather sealed durable body (Z8 miniaturised style). £1999 body only. WISHFUL THINKING CROP CAMERA Z9h (high speed/global shutter) with similar specs to the A9 III sounds about right. Z6iii/7iii will probably be the same sensors as previous gen, but with expeed 7 CPU, (flip out screen on z6 model). Updated AF.
Don't repeat Matt Granger's delivery estimation. According to my info, the A9III will be delivered in February 2024 in Europe. SONY already has produced more than 100 Units for the events in NY and Turkey. The hardware is in production and the final software will be ready in February 2024, ready for shipment of the product.
Global shutter clearly has benefits for a small number of use cases, for me, that would be the unlimited flash sync speed - but at this point I would not want to sacrifice my higher 45mp resolution or lower native ISO which is something I would use far more often - I suppose that bring us back to the fact there is no such thing as the ‘perfect’ camera
I have a Z6ii and Z8. Not sure I would go for a Z6iii, I'll see what the specs are and maybe trade in the Z6ii. I would go for a Z8ii with global shutter, and sure hope it has the shutter delay of .5 sec to 10 seconds. I hate using the self timer on the Z8 and be locked into a minimum of 2 seconds.
They added shutter delay back to the Z9, I can say with reasonable certainty that this will also come back to the Z8 (it's a huge request from many users).
From my perspective l, a global shutter is a pretty big deal. I use strobes in every outdoor photo session and not having to use high speed sync is a boon. The fact that there would be no rolling shutter or blackout are nice bonuses. Would I sell all my Nikon gear and switch to Sony to get it as soon as possible. No, it's just too costly to change out all the lenses. That said, I will very likely pre-order the first Nikon that has a global shutter. I also hope this technology becomes the norm.
Without a doubt, Nikon (and Canon) will eventually have global shutter cameras. The question is when Sony will make it available to competitors and when competitors will decide to adopt it. Sony has had a 61 mp sensor for over 4 years now. Leica uses it in 2 models. So far Nikon has not. Sony has a 33 mp sensor which no competitor uses. I don't know if it is available to others. And don't overlook Sony's 9.4 mp viewfinder. I’ve shot with both Nikon Z and Sony A cameras and in some situations that resolution has advantages. But to date it appears to be a Sony exclusive.
I don't feel invested in this super high-tech, high speed direction. I've just bought my first Nikon mirrorless (a used Z6 mk1) and I'm not dissatisfied with its speed, or its (much criticized) focusing. I have firmware 3.5, but still, I'm not finding the auto area eye-AF as reliable as other modes. However, that is NOT a worry for me because the other autofocus methods work brilliantly & are more than adequate. What I would really like is for the mirrorless RAW files to have much more of the look and feel of my D3S, D3X, D700, & D200 files (whilst benefitting from the improved ISO and flexibility of the modern sensors.) I would also like to see is an affordable AF-D converter & top quality ISO 50, 25, & 12 options (how is it that after all these years of digital we still don't have these?), or a built-in ND filter to achieve those same low sensitivities. Ultra high frame rates and extreme automation & sophistication of autofocus are not for me. As far as I am concerned Global Shutter & 'Insect Eye-AF' can wait. PS. I will almost certainly buy a Zf some time.
I really don't care about these hypes. They are starting to look like smartphone marketing. My z6ii and Zf will be with me as long as they work. And, yes, the z50 upgrade is the only I would consider
I’m V interested in a global shutter 24MP Z9ii - if it outperforms other models in low light conditions. I shoot mostly available light. And only bought a Z8 because I got fed up waiting for a Z6iii. I really don’t need more than 24MP but need the best AF Nikon can offer + better low light level performance
My thought is that the reason for the Sony A9III quite high price for a 24MP sensor of $5999 thanks to the global shutter technology is that Sony believes this camera will have a very narrow user base, i.e. those concerned with "rolling shutter" as being more critical than higher resolution. As the owner of a Z8 and Z9, I certainly have zero interest other than following/understanding the technology. It just wouldn't affect my use-case. Is that Nikon fan-boy talking? I don't think so. I also have little interest other than understanding the technology of the Nikon Noct 58mm f1.2. It just doesn't matter with my use-case.
There will be global shutters in Nikon. But not in next releases. It would not make sense for Z9 to go to 24mp sensor, and I am sure there isn't enough speed in the cameras for a 45mp global shutter yet. Not to mention Sony still went with the slower less reliable cfexpress type a cards, which doesn't make any sense. In the future yes, but not yet. I think Sony pushed this out to be the first for full frame still camera. Hype. Not saying it won't be a great camera, but video wise, Nikon is already better, with 8k and 4k 120. So really a 4k, 60fps video camera with only 24mp is not up to par in my opinion. So now you start talking about Z6iii and Z7iii and I highly doubt they would put global shutter in them either. What I think is Nikon will move up to 33mp for Z6iii with 8k video and the Z7iii will be around 60mp, also 8k. But I think they will improve the autofocus system some, using the xspeed 7 processor in both and will be really nice cameras. As far as the Z9 lineup, I think they will go to 60mp, much improved autofocus, more in camera apps for automation. I think the new Z9 will be before Olympics next year, and think there will be all 3 new bodies before the Olympics, the Z9ii, Z6iii and Z7iii. Plus probably some ridiculously good lense that will be focused on capturing the Olympics in stunning detail. I am thinking plena type lens, maybe higher focal length? But these are all just guesses of course. But I do think Nikon is in just fine shape, currently having the fastest 2 cameras(Z9 and Z8) this will probably hold true until either the Canon R1 or Sony's new A9. Really with the Duel sensors in the Z9 and Z8, the rolling shutter is all but eliminated. All professional cameras will eventually have the global shutter when the pricing comes down.
If it is that good, why use it in A9, not A1 generation, isn't A1 the flagship? unless there are many compromises for the global shutter and they are testing it there
What does A9iii offer that Z9/Z8 doesn’t offer except for 120 fps raw shooting? 20fps is overkill for me, will never need 1/80000 ss. That bushy haired youtuber said who would buy nikon when A9iii is there!?? I will buy another z9 over A9iii. Nikon and Canon will also bring Global shutter, that's a technology shift, nothng else. But do we actually need these fast camera? Can't say for all, I don't need that.
Not really seeing anything in the a9 iii that solves any problems for me. More than happy with my z8 and it doesn't hold me back at all. What I would love to see is a 300mm 2.8 Z With inbuilt TC. And a 500mm F4 Z TC...... Greedy
If Nikon was to drop a global shutter camera with a similar spec to the Sony, I wouldn't be buying. Plenty happy with my Z8 and wouldn't accept a ISO250 base as a tradeoff for shooting a little faster. My macro subjects generally don't move fast enough that I need to worry :)
agree. furthermore, i want a zf only because it is cool. i dont need it. i have the z9, d3, d800, d700 and my beloved film cameras. but damn the zf is cool. i wont be surprised if i own one by mid 2024.
@@eastbaystreet1242 I have a D750. The ZF appears to be the first Nikon mirrorless (apart from Z8/Z9) that matches the performance and reliability of the D750 autofocusing system. I was thinking of trading it in for a D780 but have played with a ZF at Grays, it's absolutely awesome. I really want one. I just don't have £2k sitting around doing nothing 😥
Nikon needs to stop worrying about catabolization, and release new versions of all cameras with the improved autofocus to compete with other manufacturers. Instead of just worrying about money, they need to sell more units at this point so stay relevant.
Isn't this exactly what they're doing? Z8, Zf? Gen III Z6/7 will surely follow soon. If they were worried about cannibalizing the Z9, the Z8 would have been WAY limited in its functionality.
Every company has bean counters that will do the math and affect release decisions. Sometimes they will delay release of products to maximize sales of their premium products or cripple a product to differentiate models, or can’t release a new model till old stock of parts are used up, etc. I don’t know how Nikon is being hampered by these concerns, I just hope they aren’t.
If we follow the normal growth, a Z5 user is unlikely to want a Z6ii. If he did, he already had several chances with the Z6ii on sale for really nice discounts these past few months. After all, the Z6ii came out just a couple months after the Z5, which actually came out nearly two years after the original Z6. As a result, there's honestly not a huge leap in technology between a Z5 and Z6ii. It would seem the best bet is either get a Z5ii out quickly, or more sensibly, see if you can publish a nice firmware update to keep the Z5 relevant until the Z6iii comes out. That gives new users a reason to get the Z5 and current users a reason to not jump ship before the Z6iii is ready.
