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@@evildracko it's not because we like someone, and they were hurt and we're rooting for them that they should be the leader. Gabi didn't sound over her hurt AT ALL, so no way she could have gone straight into shooting the bachelorette. Also when I root for people, I wish for them to never be back on the show 😂 being the lead is heartwrenching stuff and you're gonna mess up and people will hate you for it.
Weirdly I get endgame vibes from Zach and Kaity and think they're very well matched? Plus they both are intending on going back to their normal jobs and stay out of the public eye, which I think sets them up for less pressure/more success as a "normal" couple. Wishing them happiness moving forward. Doesn't justify AT ALL what he did with Gabi though...
Her and Gabi are good friends though. If I were kaity even though I got picked I'd just have a really hard time being happy with a man that botched things so badly with a close friend
I feel Zack led Gabi on when he stated many times he wouldn't do that because he felt led on. That poor girl being put through the wringer. It wouldn't have been so hurtful if he had not slept with her
I feel like it was obvious is was kaity since their first one on one in the bahamas and he couldnt stop talking about amazing she was. Zach is a terrible liar and its easy to tell when he honestly is amazed by a woman and when hes just saying what the show needs him to say
The leads always seem to lose themselves during the season. They come in with personality and confidence and end up being sucked into the show, becoming more selfish as time goes on. I agree that Zach isn't a bad guy, but he clearly put himself first time and again towards the end. I just wish he'd handled each situation with Gabi, Kaity, and Ariel with more care and respect.
Totally. And I feel like the show picked him because they thought he would be unproblematic, knowing they’d be sacrificing some drama in order to avoid some of the backlash the show has gotten in the past. But the very premise of the show is toxic and problematic, so there’s no way to avoid criticism. And the more he avoided criticism, the more selfish he got.
I totally agree! And I loved how Zach cut off the drama sending those women home. If your a true bachelor fan you are here to see the connections made and someone find love not a drama filled tv show.
This cast was so likeable that Zach was actually the villain of his own season. Gabi, Kaity, Ariel, Charity, Brooklyn, Aly, and Jess were all likeable and would all be great Bachelorettes. I liked Kat and thought she was a non-villain, Christina was a likeable one, and if Greer was genuine about change, I could see her being a decent person. Even the early elims like Bailey, Mercedes, Genevie, Davia, and Kylie seemed really nice.
Despite Zach's shortcomings as a lead and the messy finale, I think overall this season was good and provided the back-to-basics reset feeling that was desperately needed after so many seasons derailing by aggravating drama, out-of-the show problems and Bachelors who added insult to injury. The cast was very good, with an exceptional top 4 and multiple women who would be amazing to see at Paradise (Jess, Ally, Mercedes, Greer, Kylie, Brooklynn...). There were no Shanaes nor Victorias, no vitriolic drama and even those who got less favourable edits like Christina Mandrell, Kat or Anastasia didn't come off as too aggravating. So when the real drama came, we weren't too weary from what happened before, and at least it was when something was crucially at stake. The romance factor wasn't superstrong but it definitely came through. Also, unlike other season, while production was meddling as usual, it didn't come across as more forced than usual. So, I think this season deserves a B in my book, and it is not marked higher only because of the lead.
I agree with the B for the reasons you gave. I enjoyed this season more than other people seem to have, but that is likely partially because Kaity was my favorite
"Zachy making a boom boom in the diapy of his season" will live rent free in my mind permanently. Fantake, if you ever decide to sign up for the bachelor, give us a heads up.. just saying
Their all trainwrecks. (Meaning every one of them I've ever watched over the decades. Lol,) Tashia, I would say as a Bachelorette, took it the most serious, no games, no drama. She handled the entire show with class & respect for all guys on the show. Imo.
I hope they keep going in this direction with the seasons. I definitely don’t mind some non-hurtful drama, but I had really been missing the romance and genuine connections. I do think Zach delivered on that, despite his glaring mistakes.
Zach's season was a success. Maybe some drama, an authentic villain could have been a good thing to spice things up, but for the first time in years it felt like it was really about finding love. I also think people are being relatively more critical of Zach due to there not being that much drama, just think about what messes the other seasons provided.
SO EARLY!!! Just wanted to say I love the women this season and I think it's not the matter of their characters but of EDITING. EDITING IS EVERYTHING. Production wanted to try something different, they just edited in more moments of support among women and... it was enough to balance out the drama and make the women likable. Change my mind :D
Interesting! I think that if there was good girl drama, they wouldn’t be able to say no. Maybe the drama was mediocre so they went the other way for a stronger story?
I assumed the women were older, but that might be because I thought they were more mature so I just assumed that. You're right about editing, editing can work wonders.
It was nice to see because in the bachelorette we usually get to see a lot of bromance. I’m glad there wasn’t as much drama within the house this season - a first!
I have no idea why Zach didn't just decide to keep being intimate with Gabi a secret and tell Kaity later in private... but I guess Catholic guilt runs deep, that or Zach is bad at lying to producers... :(
It's because he knew he was picking Kaity, so if he kept that a secret from his future wife, it might have actually ended things before it started. If he at any point wasn't sure who he was going to pick, he would have kept it a secret
I'm assuming his producers convinced him to talk about it and on camera. I feel he maybe trusted the producers more than he should have. Also I have a feeling he felt he'd get less of a angry response with the cameras.
@@wsemenske He can sugarcoat it...but he's just a last chance dog. And if he kept it private (from the public), then Gabi could pull a Peter, and make him look even worse. Even though he was the one that f*cked up, he wasn't going to be the one that took the blow.
He should've waited until after the engagement, but if he really wanted to do it before there really wasn't a good time he could've done so off camera. During a date would've made things very awkward for the rest of it and production would've found out why, same with the night portion of the fantasy suite. Any other time producers wouldn't have let it happen off camera.
to me one of the biggest issues with the past several male leads is that they keep choosing men with little-to-no dating experience. it would be nice to see a male lead who has been around the block a few times and truly ready to settle.
Fantake's discussion of Zach being good person but his obsession with being honest causing problem made me think more about which well-meaning "fatal flaws" other leads have suffered from? Hannah Brown loyally trusts people and gives them the benefit of the doubt too much. Nick Vial is overly susceptible to grand romantic gestures - both giving and receiving. What are some others? Could make an interesting video.
@Bachelor Fantake at the end when you replayed “ No Sex” and after comes the laugher that should have been followed by “ OF ANY KIND” and then more laughter 😂😂😂😂😂😂as Zach actually said “ No sex of any kind “. Great video as always !!
Up until the final 2 weeks Zach was up there as one of my favorite bachelors. I still don’t think he was bad overall (after all, he did find love and an engagement, and we spent a lot more time on relationships this time rather than just focusing on drama). So kudos to him for finding love, and for focusing on finding his person. B for him, passing but not perfect. Production also stepped it up this time, they spent far less time creating artificial drama imo and let the cast and characters do their thing. They didn’t have to wave around vibrators or make up cheesy recaps in an attempt to “spice things up”. B+ for them. Finally, as for the cast of girls this was a really refreshing group. Even the “mean girls” of the season ended up being pretty chill and ok, and nothing too offensive was spread about any of the other women. Not to mention some of the stars from this season I hope we get to see again. A+ for them. Overall season: B, could have been an A if not for those final 2 episodes.
In my opinion, the season went from an “A” to a “D” in the last two episodes. So disappointed that Zach went back on his word. I can’t help but think that this may come back to bite him. I love Kaity and actually like Zach. But How can Kaity not have misgiving about him? Especially if he continues to go back on his word and let her down?
@@rebeccaconway5038 it’s been over 6 months since the season ended so I’m assuming they’ve cleaned stuff up with time. While those last two episodes were certainly F’s, I think it’s clear that it was more of a mistake of ignorance (and stupidity) on Zach’s part rather than evidence of a character flaw. He was never intentionally trying to hurt or disrespect the women so while it was certainly a disaster, I think it would be unfair to assume that is how he is all the time. Kaity seems like a forgiving person and Zach seems to genuinely apologetic.
@@itszaque i agree with this! While Zach did drop the ball and hurt Gabi, it was a mistake. We’ve all made them. The other thing people are sweeping over is what Gabi said right before fantasy suite.. when she said “No sex? We’ll see about that.” (Paraphrasing). Maybe he tried to resist a little and finally couldn’t anymore? Maybe he didn’t resist at all? Regardless it seemed like a genuine mistake. Now if he slept with all 3.. then yes i would say he may not can keep his word well but man the guy is human.. doesn’t make what he did right but we’ve all dropped the ball at some point
@@Reader234 Seems like a mighty big mistake…especially since he seemed very intent on keeping the standard he set for himself. I hope they are able to make it for many years to come but I wouldn’t be honest if I didn’t say that, in my opinion, it doesn’t look good. I’m disappointed in Zach for sure.
I agree with your rating, Fantake. There was just enough drama and suspense to talk about and set predictions. I’m also happy with the pick for the first time in a long time.
This season had THE BEST cast is such a looooooong time and some of the women were honestly TOO GOOD for zach especially ariel she’s way too mature for him
I loved this season and honestly really liked Zach. I also don’t have any problems with how he handled things with Jess and Greer. Yes, he messed up at fantasy suites but I appreciated his honesty after. I’m genuinely rooting for him and Kaity.
I've kinda taken issue throughout the season with the narrative being "Zach, this girl is sad, do something about it". Every time someone is upset, people just default to Zach being the problem and not caring about them. In many cases, there just wasn't a good alternative to what he did. Would it have been better if instead of telling Gabi he was torn he just lied and said he's so confidant in the relationship only to then blindside her at the final rose, cause I certainly don't think so. That's not to say the women are unjustified in being upset at the things they were, just that most of the blame should be going to the show.
This has been my favorite season. The girls were mostly good people and the immature girl drama was eliminated immediately which was very refreshing and made the season nice to watch. If Zach hadn't made his no sex rule, the season would've been perfect.
Poor Zach. I think he meant well but that ending was a terrible mess. I think he and Kaity will last but it’s hard to feel happy when Gabi was hurt so badly. I hope Gabi finds her person soon.
Unpopular opinion but I think Zach’s Season was an A. The cast was great, enough romance to make it believable, the lead was good enough, and the drama was a good dosage. Even though I hated it was at the expense of Gabi because she did not deserve it.
For the last couple videos, everytime it gets brought up that Zach ended up being the cause of the worst drama my brain automatically sings "it was Zachary All alooong!" To the tune of the Agatha song from WandaVision 😂
I think i totally agree with you!! I went into the season with extremely low expectations but i REALLY enjoyed it! Of course the end was a little messy but I would watch this season again over ever watching Clayton or Rachel & Gabby's season.
Zach to me is not a deep person. I felt that since he was dating Rachel. One great ex is when Ariel's brother asked him something like what makes him a good choice for their sister. And he had to think for longer than you should, and then started with, "I have a big heart." 🙄 Dufus
I honestly don't think the Jess thing was Zach's fault, Jess was just coming off like "I know how the game of the bachelor works and I want a one on one" and he tried to reassure her but she wouldn't let it go
Mhh… I was surprised by Ariel saying the No sex took away her agency, when she said she was bummed there was no sex, when Zach told her, Also not Gabi taking responsibility for her own decision to sleep with Zach, when she winked when he said sex is off the table. For that reason, I doubt it’d have been his idea to keep it between them. Granted Zach should’ve only told Kaity in the privacy of the fantasy suites, he didn’t owe anybody else any explanation. Season was good. Zach was no Sean Lowe but he got it done 😁🤷🏽♀️
I would love to see contestants be around 30. That would lead to a lot more interesting conversations and I think long term success. By 28-31 you know yourself so much better than at 24. Drama will still happen because of the high pressure and the sleep deprivation. But some other issues that will come up will be who moves where. It's so much easier to commit to moving when you don't have an established career in a specific area.
Yeah. I did at least think that there was a cute connection between Zach and Kaity and Zach and Gabi, and even Zach and Ariel. I do wish that there was a little more of that earlier in the series - a lot of the romantic moments they showed were mid way through to later on the season.
I would say this season topped MANY of the last several seasons. I like Zach and Kaity together, I’m happy for them and hope they last. The mess at the end, well yes it was a mess. But I also can’t even imagine the emotions involved for all people, and I don’t expect perfect decision making in highly stressful times like that. That’s just my thoughts though! Excited for Charity’s season, I think she will be an excellent bachelorette.
Charity, Gabi and Ariel dodged a bullet there. Zach is too immature for them. I have total respect for how a few of the women handled themselves with him.
What The Bachelor needs is a guy version of Hannah Brown - someone irresistibly goofy and likable but also strong and emotionally intelligent. They just keep picking bachelors who are so bland and weak and that doesn't make for good TV let alone a good relationship.
I have a feeling that Zach claims to be the nice guy who wants only peace and love...but only on his terms. I think he views romance only in his perspective and not his partner's.
Zach wants so badly to be seen as the good guy, but he seriously lacks empathy and emotional intelligence. Gabi is way too deep and real for someone like Zack, so I look forward to her realizing that she dodged a bullet. Good luck to Katie.
I can relate to Zach...last night i looked at a box of donuts and said, "This will be a no-donut night." The donuts didn't like that I made that decision without having conversation about it with them. Because, you know, it's a relationship. You need a dialogue, not a monologue. Anyway, that Boston Creme seduced me. And I told that bad boy..."This is just between us." I didn't want the Jelly and glazed to get jealous. So I know that Zach would say its completely different from me devouring donuts to his finding his future wife but that's just insensitive, bruh.
What we need is a lead that's actually wants to get married. Someone who is leading with their heart and not in the one in their pants. Us as viewers can stop the difference. If you want drama fine I handle that in the beginning of the season but it's refreshing when the lead finally puts their foot down and doesn't reward the behavior. It would be nice to get back to that. Sean Lowe was the perfect bachelor. I don't think someone like him well be on the show again.
I still don’t understand why he hated Greer for that comparison (her racist-defending past aside and I really don’t want to defend women like that). Zach, finding love is the least of your worries at that time. Especially since they’re PAYING you to do it, get fame from it and experience things people only dream of whilst doing it. Someone making their quota is important to their livelihood (probably not Greer but still stands). Both were goals important to that person and totally valid and both are first world problems for first world people. Come on. He’s very spoiled and he annoyed the heck out of me. I literally only watched through BF and have done for quite some seasons. Will continue to, too, as to not waste my time. Thanks Bachelor Fantake!!
I liked Zach. He's human, he made mistakes and that made the season a little less boring. A B+ is a good score imo. If Zach&Kaity get married - ai'd up that score to an A.
I prefer to watch Bachelor in Paradise because more of the couples actually stay together; this season may have been a little less entertaining but I would rather watch a couple actually find love!
I think the idea of a show that prides itself on getting men to take off their clothes as often as possible “tackling tough social issues” is laughable.
Yeah Zach has no emotional intelligence or care even though he's trying so desperately to pretend he does. IF you can't listen to your partners feelings and at least just acknowledge them instead of making them feel like they are over dramatic you're not ready to get married.
The show needs real men who are around 35 years old and women who are no older than 28. The men need to be leaders who take no BS. The women need to be wifey material ready for family. Past traumas are red flags and shouldn't be used for sympathy likes and a rose.
I just know you are a man for sure. You really think women in their early to mid twenties are wifey material as one i can confidently say no and a lot wouldnt want old men in their twenties. You have lots of old bachelor's that still didn't end up well.
@@sarahlang2119 I did not say a woman's agency makes me cringe. I said Ariel's agency. She had no right to an agency in this situation. She had no right to know the details of Gaby's and Zachs date in this situation, especially after she didn't get a rose. She was pompously trying to insert herself in the situation to draw attention to herself.
Zach is someone who thinks he is emotionally intelligent because he doesn’t have drama in his life, but he just lacks the maturity to accept that respecting others sometimes means you must face conflict. He didn’t deserve to be bachelor.
What happened to the breakdown you have always done into categories of 1) the lead, 2) the cast, 3) the production, and 4) the romance? What are the grades you give to each?
