In the eyes of empire officials, Luke was in the same room as the emperor and Darth Vader and was the only one who walked out. Explains why Moff Gideon was scared shitless at the end of the mandalorian
If those officials weren't blind, they would see that Luke was carrying Vader on his shoulder, essentially. But maybe people just overlooked that detail because they were trying to escape the second Death Star before it could explode again.
@@Boomblox5896 So... in other words, the simple line of thought for bullies to come up with: Luke went in, merced the emperor, then dragged the corpse of his chief enforcer out of an exploding base.
I think seeing a "funeral" for Anakin Skywalker would have been a cool and haunting thing to see in Episode 3. To see Vader looking on as people mourned and talked about Anakin would have been great.
@@ezekielsparadise4633 haha right?! To me Lucas focused waaay too much on Anakin and Padme's relationship and Anakin's relationship with Ob-Wan and Anakin's relationship with Palpatine and not enough on Anakin as a singular character/Jedi. We never saw how "powerful" he supposedly was, we never saw the great warrior or general he supposedly was.
@Andrew Vasquez exactly. We need an R rated Vader series starting shortly after order 66 and write many flashbacks to add to Anakins story as "new" Canon and show just how powerful Anakin really was. The flashbacks would be consistent throughout season 1 to help people see Anakin and Vader as 1 guy because sometimes for many people it's hard to make the connection. But we would see Good guy Anakin with his same problems, but kinda build the bridge between Anakin and Vader. Vader should give the same energy as Homelander but with way less jokes of course. People fear Vader for a reason. In fact, Vader kills WAAAAY more people than Homelander. That's scary. Vaders presence should be absolutely terrifying.
@@mrbubbles6468 You’re both right, Anakin was respected amoung the general public across the galaxy & amoung the clones as a brave hearted war hero with no fear. But amoung the Jedi council and order he wasn’t respected and treated like an outsider a lot
Actually, we did see a sith bounty hunter in Asajj Ventress in season 4 or 5 I think. Yes, she never became a sith lord, but she was a sith assassin nevertheless and a dark side user
I've read this book. And others, like Lords of the Sith. Palpatine was trying to figure out if Vader was going to establish himself as a real force in the Empire or if he was just going to be another Maul, and assassin-type. At one point Vader asked Palpatine to announce to his command structure that Vader was the emperor's right hand man and spoke with the emperor's voice, because the admirals and generals just weren't giving him the kind of respect he needed, and he couldn't kill his way through them in order to gain that respect. Palpatine didn't just send Vader after the surviving Jedi, he also put Vader through multiple legitimately life-threatening tests to force him to sink COMPLETELY into the dark side, to break down everything he was holding onto from his previous life. These tests forced him to do things like slaughter unarmed civilians, including women and children. Palpatine succeeded in developing a level of hatred in Vader that drove him fully to the dark side. When Vader fought Darth Maul (yes, he fought Maul, as Theory covered in one of his videos), Maul taunted him, telling him there was no way he could be as powerful as Maul because as a former Jedi he couldn't HATE enough to match Maul's fury in the dark side. When Vader finally killed Maul by shoving his lightsaber through his OWN BODY to stab them both, Maul asked him who he could possibly hate enough that he could kill Maul? Vader said "myself."
I actually love how he’s depicted through regular peoples eyes. It feels so unnatural and terrifying. “There’s a person with a lightsaber. He is definitely NOT a Jedi.” In a weird way, I think an interesting way to portray him through the common eye is through like a police radio/ 911 operator calls. Scuffed radio voices, static, but all terror. Idk if it’s just me, but those old police scanner calls and operator calls can be super terrifying, and I think maybe doing that in a way would make Vader even more horrifying.
I'd like to think that Palpatine choice of cybernetics wasn't just to punish him, but to further limit him. If Anakin has to draw on the darkside to simply control the suit, he would be way too distracted to fully use any power he had against Palpatine in any effort to overthrow him.
If Anakin fell to vaders troops while he defended the younglins, what is the Galaxy 's take on the guy killing the guy who was protecting kids. And whats their take on the guy who ordered those troopers to attack and kill those kids. Just seems like there should have been more said about this. I keep hearing people say that Anakin was seen as a hero, but he was a Jedi defending Jedi in this story. Somebody is the bad guy and I would love to see how that got handled
Safe to say Darth Vader was one of the most feared Sith Lords of all time! Guys I made this comment for cheap likes there’s no need for a war in the replies🙃
I would love to see a live action story of this. Vader wasn't well known after Revenge of the Sith, he just kind of showed up from most people's perspectives. He was new and I'm sure developed the fear others had of him through his actions.
I've wanted to see a fight(either fan or official) between Vader and Malgus. Both were heavy hitters in their respected times. I can only imagine how brutal it would be...
Anakin was respected across the entire Galaxy for his heroism while Darth Vader was feared, but hey, at least he built a name for himself… I guess… 😬😬😬
I suppose the official Disney Star Wars cannon and the canon people have in their heads are two different things personally I see pretty much everything that was made in the George Lucas era as canon while the films and shows made in the Disney era as a separate timeline or legends so like obi wan said wether you see something as canon or not it all depends on you’re certain point of view either way the cannon Disney push out to be true for the product they purchased and own is the first 6 films and everything Disney made afterwards including the sequels the fact that the majority of fans hate the sequels and don’t count it as canon is irrelevant to them
@@Beefyboygo you can reject it all you want it’s still canon and please don’t get me wrong with the exceptions of the mandolorian, rogue one and the Jedi games I hate everything Disney has put out
@@Kash_28 it'd be one thing if they were making good products but the fact of the matter is they are not. I didn't invest hours of my life to the expanded universe only for some soulless corporate entity to tell me that none of it mattered.
Interestingly enough, i read the book shadows of the empire. There was a scene where vader was bathing and while he would bath he would often try and use the force to heal his scared lungs. The more he did it, he found himself slipping and letting go of his hate. More interesting, whenever he thought about luke and their duel, he reflected on it with pride and joy. Each time he thought of luke and knowing he had a son he began to heal and his rage would diminish.
3:57 In Legends, the trend seemed to be Sith Lords using Mandos as weapons of war, instead of Mandos becoming Sith or vice versa. Perhaps the most famous example would be the Mandalorian Wars.
When I first saw Revenge of the Sith I had thought Anakin killing the younglings was due to him embracing the dark nature along side taking out the Separatist leadership in Mustafar. Now knowing what I know about the lore he didn’t kill the younglings with hate, but he thought it was a mercy killing. To stop these children from adopting the dogma of the Jedi and to set them free from bondage which is why we didn’t see his Sith eyes appear while on Mustafar he did enjoy taking out the Separatist leadership. Having to fight against a waring faction of what he preserved to have been an evil group of systems and leadership, whom were technically the good guys, and having to lose so many of his allies to the CIS. So, murdering these leaders was his way of getting revenge and a trial for a Sith to be. Once someone starts to enjoy the fight, enjoy the slaughter, enjoy the revenge then their fate would be sealed. That’s why seeing his Sith eyes appear before taking out Wat Tambor was that solidification to the Dark Side. Such a downfall….
DARK LORD: THE RISE OF DARTH VADER remains my all-time favorite STAR WARS novel and audiobook. JEDI TRIAL is my second favorite STAR WARS novel and audiobook. What makes DARK LORD: THE RISE OF DARTH VADER so damn good is that the novel gets into the mind of Anakin Skywalker as Darth Vader soon after REVENGE OF THE SITH and how he regained his confidence as a Force user, and by extension, his command of The Force. He literally goes through the 5 stages of grief in this novel too. Anakin comes to terms with what he had done and cast away his own name to become Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith.
And I don't care what Disney Lucasfilm says, this novel will always be canon in my eyes. They have shown that they are not worthy of being the stewards of STAR WARS or INDIANA JONES.
I have a nice Vader outfit, I've trained with a bokken and have cut with a katana. It's true, one is limited to some movement. First I learned this was when I put on the costume. Was an interesting experience to say the least. Great vid!! 😃
I just watched a video you did a year ago when you faced Luke from the mandalorian against Anakin from revenge of the sith. You mentioned at one point the possibility of facing them in a different way. Legends prime Luke against Anakin if he had not been injured by Obi-Wan and had reached his full potential. I wonder if you could do a video like that because thise are my favorite versions of those characters and I think your input would be really awesome for this match. Really hope that video becomes a reallity at some point.
They didn't know he was son of Vader or Anakin Skywalker for the most part. That's not something that comes out immediately. Luke doesn't go out of his way to hide it, but he doesn't go out of his way to broadcast it either.
6:33 I know it’s a lie in the context of the book, but Anakin could be considered the Last of the Jedi (at least the last of the old Jedi). Giving his final act to kill Palpatine and especially in Heir to the Empire when Kenobi proclaimed Luke the First of the new Jedi. Awesome video’s Star Wars Theory!
I can imagine how citizens reacted to Vader. Reports,news. Scary and intimidating. It would be really cool to see Palpatine calling for help in his office :) Really cool :D As for Anakin's death is very touching and emotional. Sad and heroic. Great description. Great video in general :) The Force will be with you too. Always :)
This brings up an interesting question. What IF Hugo Damask (Darth Plagueis) had NOT died in his sleep as Palpatine claimed? What if Anakin Skywalker had been able to seek him out, and convince him to either share some of his knowledge, or even convince him to take on a student? After all it is (not canon) there Plagueis had a hand in Anakin's "conception". And even told Plagueis he would act as an avenger for Palpatine poisoning him? I think the elder Muun would have actually been delighted to teach his "creation". If he somehow knew Darth Vader would be at his side, Plagueis would have had a grand opportunity to seek revenge. And prove his life's work had borne fruit.
Leading up to the reveal in Empire..it would have been cool to see Luke get to hear people talk good about his father when the name Anakin Skywalker was mentioned. To see some respect for that name amongst the lore of the universe, and a growing sense of pride in Luke for it.
I just love how everyone wants to talk about Anakin! Like it truly shows how much we love him and how we want to know more about him and what sort of things could’ve happened “if” Anakin is truly in our hearts as one of the most beloved Jedi’s🫶❤️
Hey Theory what do you think of how Disney has tried to undermine Vader and the Skywalker line? I just realized today that the amount of Jedi who survived Order 66 really makes it seem as though it wasn’t as impactful as it felt when George was in control. Idk just a thought.
Man Rise Of Skywalker bringing palpatine back was a spit in the face to Return Of the Jedi! Vader became Anakin again once he killed the emperor. He brought balance to the force. But oh no wait, lets bring Palpatine back as if nothing ever happened… ugh
(Minor spoilers for clone wars in this comment) To be fair we may have not seen an actual sith bounty hunter but ventress is maybe the closest thing to it at the end of the clone wars series. After she has been betrayed by dooku and the nightsister clan was decimated by greivous she fled and went on to become a blunty hunter, even joining up a group with boba and bosk at one point for a while.
Rise Of Darth Vader was basically the movie or series I wanted to see since even before Disney bought the franchise. Had they been smart enough to, right off the bat before any other movie, adapt the novel into a movie/show, and managed to not screw it up, I probably would still consider myself a Star Wars fan today no matter how bad subsequent content got. I was not a difficult SW fan to please. Lots of Vader/Sith/dark side/Empire stuff and no woke agenda, and they would have had me hooked. Honestly, Rise Of Darth Vader was what I was hoping for in ROTS. Attack of the Clones would have been a way better Episode 1, Revenge of the Sith would have made a way better episode 2, and Rise Of Darth Vader, or something similar in that same time period, would have been a truly epic episode 3. Also, if George Lucas did it like that, then released Phantom Menace after the fact as a stand alone film marketed particularly for kids, I bet Phantom Menace would have been FAR more well received.
There’s actually a mini trilogy of novels, Labyrinth of Evil, Revenge of the Sith, and Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader that would have made an awesome trilogy of films. But The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are both important to the story in their own right.
@@Rikrik1138 I'm aware. Just saying, the time period right after Revenge of the Sith where Vader is full on Vader in the suit and not emo Ani after he didn't get his Snickers bar, and first days of the empire is really what would have been a great episode 3. I was very disappointed when it came out because we didn't get Vader in the suit until the very end, and didn't even get to see him in any action. I loved the movie, but not enough Vader and early Empire days. But yeah, I agree TPM and AOTC are important to the story, that's why I specified TPM still being made, but as a Stand alone prequel to the prequel movies, and moving ROTS and AOTC back one film in the trilogy to make room for Rise of Darth Vader as episode 3. All the current prequels would still exist, just released in a different order and a new film added to the mix. Attack of the Clones would have been a far stronger return for Star Wars than Phantom Menace. It honestly doesn't feel like a middle chapter, it feels like an opening chapter since there is such a long time gap between it and phantom menace. Revenge of the Sith would have been a great, dark middle chapter, and Rise of Darth Vader, we get Vader in all his glory mowing down Jedi scum! All the crap George Lucas got, I bet it never would have happened if he did this instead, then again, hindsight is 20/20, but then again, George Lucas may have been purposely defying expectations because I am quite sure I am not the only one who was expecting to see a full on Vader return with modern special effects and ended up disappointed. Maybe George Lucas was butthurt about TPM backlash and he was like "Screw them bastards! I'll show them! I wont have Anakin get burned until the end of the last movie". Watch, in an alternate reality, fans loved Jar Jar and as a result, Lucas didn't get pissed, and had Anakin go to the dark side way earlier in the trilogy.
Boooo, who do you think you are. What revolutionary movie franchise did you make, that I can claim in a comment section that I could of done a better job at?
About Sith becoming bounty hunters this is what i thought about immediately, in the Battlefront 2 Coop and HvV when you have Bossk and Vader on the same team they would converse on the topic sometimes. Bossk basically being like: "Ever thought of becoming a bounty hunter?" and Vader responding: "I'm bound to a different order".
This is an aspect that a lot of new projects now never really touch on. We never get to see or hear convos from common folk about Darth Vader, because people DEFINITELY know of him. So I’m sure people talked.
Anaking was the hero of the clone wars if he won his duel with obi wan it would of been used by palpatine to say Look anakin the most powerful jedi helped save me from the jedi councils treason to overthrow me and anakin was a good person etc and basically use anakin as a way to denounce the Jedi order
Not to dwell on negative, quite opposite actually, this and your other videos like it bring me back to the before kk and her sequels . It feels GREAT to listen to and correspond with true Star Wars fans. Deep dive, speculate, hear others ideas and opinions! Good fans ! Good Star Wars with the spirit and elements of what Star Wars really is.
I would love a "What If" spinoff where Anakin decides not to follow Windu (and Palpy kills Windu-- I think he played weak to turn Anakin). Then Anakin saves as many younglings as he can and leads the rebellion against the Emperor with Luke and Leia by his side. Edit: LOL I just noticed you literally made a video on this two days ago
Well, it wasn’t like nobody knew what was going on involving Imperial command, some secrets can’t stay hidden, and its obvious countless people wondered who Vader really was.
While Thrawn knowing who Vader is is mostly because he’s the most intelligent being in the galaxy is true, it goes into more depth in the books. Thrawn actually met Anakin Skywalker during the Clone Wars above the planet Batuu. There, Thrawn and Anakin tried to find and save Padmé. (And, yes, Thrawn found out about their love for each other too). But while Thrawn was working with Anakin, he studied him. (Of course he would, he’s Thrawn). Jump forward to the time of the Empire, and Thrawn is once again serving with Anakin, but as Darth Vader this time. Throughout the time they’re serving with each other, Thrawn notices the subtle things Vader does that remind him of Anakin (like the way he flies his ship for example). Thrawn figures out Vader is Anakin fairly easily and very fast, and Thrawn even teases Vader about it too (if you haven’t read Alliances please do. It’s so funny). But, towards the end of the book when Thrawn and Vader are talking to each other, Thrawn makes another one of his quips to Vader. Vader responds in his usual “Anakin Skywalker is dead”, but Thrawn, instead of saying his usual “So I’ve heard,” says “I know.” It’s a really sad ending to the book because it’s Thrawn accepting that Anakin is gone, and only Vader remains.
Thrawn also spent time with Anakin worked with him . Thrawn even morned Anakins death . It wasn't until later in life after both of them ended up being sevants of the Emporer that Thrawn deduced that Vader was once his old friend
I read the Dooku book (which is written in the 1st person, it was a weird read) I'm pretty sure Asajj Ventriss worked for Dooku at some point or possibly was being trained by him. Pardon my ignorance on the subject, I'm not knowledgeable about Asajj in any way shape or form. Do u by chance have a good idea 9f what u can read/watch to get to know her better? Thank you in advance.
@@Sparty-pi3jq in the vintage clone wars show from 2003 she is introduced, in the clone wars from 2008 and on you will not only have a blast with the series, but you also will follow the rest of her journey
First time watching your channel Good job! I'm curious how early on Palpatine had his fleet built As well as recruiting and training forces? So once Order 66 commenced they could hit the ground running Depending on how old Luke was in Return of the Jedi Is essentially how long the Empire even existed
5:30 Actually it wasn't this reason (even though of course Thrawn was very smart). It was because Thrawn knew Anakin too. It's covered in the book 'Thrawn Alliences'.
I thought he did the Jedi mind trick on them, saying, "I'm a V.I.P., so stand aside." The guards were so stupid that they didn't even require a verbal suggestion to get tricked. Luke's hand in that clip wasn't doing the Jedi strangle gesture at all.
Because of all the inconsistencies that this novel has with the movies, it is really difficult for me to believe that it was supposed to CONNECT. There is no way you can watch that scene in Attack of the Clones where Count Dooku has a very interesting conversation with Kenobi, then read that novel and the novel make sense. Dooku evidently doesn't consider himself Sith. He's definitely Sith. But in his mind, he did some favors for the Sith Lord Sidious (whom, by the way, he doesn't know is Palpatine), and for 1 or 2 things he even presented himself as a Sitg Lord named Tyrannus, so that the Sith would be connected with the crime in everyone's mind instead of himself, Count Dooku. But after telling Kenobi that the Sith are untrustworthy, corrupt, he wanted Kenobi to join him so that together they destroy the Sith. Dooku's intentions were to replace the Republic, destroy the Jedi, and destroy the Sith, more specifically, Sidious, as he promised the 2 Nemoidians, and that would end government corruption. That's what you get from the movies. The novel presents something else completely. I believe that George Lucas approved the novel, but there is no way he considered it a connection. I don't believe that. The only way I'll believe that is if George Lucas himself directly says that. He approved a lot of things that were inconsistent to his own vision, but that approval does not make it canon.The Sith apprentice, Dooku, doesn't identify himself as Sith, but has a plan to destroy the Sith. He doesn't know that Sidious and Palpatine are the same person. And he does not know that Sidious has a Galactic ambition that will nullify all that Dooku is working hard to establish, a corrupt free government that looks out for the people. Sidious was trying to destablize the Republic and Dooku inadvertently played right into it when he wanted to establish the Confederation; and Sidious kept the Confederation of Planets unstable too, with intentions of BOTH SIDES crumbling into nothing. And Dooku was none the wiser. NONE OF THIS is in that novelization. The opposite is in the novelization. There is no way in all getout, then, that I can be convinced that it was directly connected to the theatrical presentation. There is too much unresolvable conflict between the 2.
