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What the German generals knew 

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Trent Park is a country house located between Enfield and Barnet in north London, one can go to it via the underground station at Cockforsters and from there it is a walk of around 1km. During the second world war, Trent Park was used by the British government as a special camp for high-ranking prisoners of war . The rooms were bugged by the British secret service . It was assumed that in the relaxed atmosphere of this camp, where officers could enjoy the privelidges that they might have assumed came with their rank and waited on by British staff, they might talk more freely.
During the course of the war, eighty-four generals and a number of lower-ranking staff officers passed through Trent Park. Some valuable information which may have effected the course of the war was gleaned from their conversations but as far as this presentation is concerned, I am just going to concentrate on the war crimes that were discussed there and in particular how this dispels the myth - if it still exists - of the clean Wehrmacht and the cowardice of those officers who did nothing to stop National Socialist crimes. The archives were not opened until 1996 and the resulting conversations show that some of the officers should have been put on trial for crimes that they committed.
The Trent Park operation was the idea of Thomas Kendrick, who had headed the the British Secret Intelligence Service in Vienna in 1939.
He found a Scottish aristocrat, Lord Aberfeldy, who was to be the prisoners’ welfare officer. He was a cousin of the King George VI and his role was to befriend the German generals. He let them know that his cousin, the king, was insistent that the captured officers were treated in accordance with their status. To this end he took them out on day trips shopping to the places like Harrods and out for meals at high end places such as the Savoy Hotel and Simpsons in the Strand in London. Part of the aim of this was not only to gain their confidence but also lull the prisoners into talking about subjects with their fellow officers. Lord Aberfeldy however was not a cousin of the king, nor was he a lord for that matter, he was an MI19 agent named Ian Munro.
However the situation suited the prisoners too.
For the captured officers, life in Trent Park had its perks. The rations were simple but probably much better than their families were getting in Germany and they had the benefit of British whisky. There was a large library, a lounge and they could go for walks in the extensive grounds where the English King Henry IV had hunted some 550 years earlier. This all may have been conducise to loosening their toungues whilst talking to each other.
After WW2, most former generals refrained from self-critical reflection on their role in the “Third Reich”. They started the myth of the "clean Wehrmacht", the professional army had nothing to do with the regime, they said. They only learned about the atrocities committed by the SS and the Einsatzgruppen after the war. However the recordings from Trent Park show something completely different and they did indeed talk about the "commissar order", the massacre of the Jewish population, the cruel treatment of Russian prisoners of war, about the shooting of hostages and the plundering of the occupied territories.
At the beginning of the war, there were few German prisoners there and those that were held there were of comparatively low rank. However bugged conversations of prisoners held there allowed the British to learn of how Luftwaffe planes managed to find cities in the dark through use of radio signals which the planes literally flew through. Once that secret was out, then all the British had to do was to jam the signals. From 1942, generals and other high ranking individuals fell into British hands and it was these that revealed that some knew a lot about Nazi atrocities.
Major General Walter Bruns recounted in great detail how he had witnessed a mass shooting near Riga:
“The pits were 24 metres long and about three metres wide, the Jews had to lie down like sardines in a can, heads toward the middle. Six submachine gunners were above them and they shot them in the neck. When I arrived, the pit was already full, so the living had to lie down on the dead and then they got the shot; so that space in the pit was used to the maximum. They had to be correctly layered. Before that, however, their possessions were stolen. That Sunday, there were three pits. The queue of people was 11 - 12 km long, and it was gradually advancing - it was a queue of death."
Walter Bruns was captured at the end of the war, so this conversation took place once the details of the Holocaust were known, however we must ask why he continued to serve the National Socialist regime until the very end.
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@rockerjim8045
@rockerjim8045 Год назад
Those Generals knew exactly the Same as the Western Powers. Both kept quiet until it was more convenient to disclose
@jonathannixon8652
@jonathannixon8652 Год назад
Exactly, they All knew because they knew the eitzengrupen were behind them the main front to wipe out the so called "Undesirables"
@jackburnell3209
@jackburnell3209 Год назад
I don't know about Germany but I know that General McArthur purposely delayed US troop landings in Malay after Japan surrendered, knowing that POWs were being executed by the Japanese who refused to surrender. 300 Japanese officers on Malay killed themselves with grenades and by ritual Hara kiri instead of surrendering. They killed all the POWs first. McArthur didn't want any formal surrender from the Japs reported until he took the official surrender in Tokyo bay.
@eleanorkett1129
@eleanorkett1129 Год назад
The Cold War saved quite a few criminals. I think Manstein's memoirs inspired the Clean Wehrmacht myth.
@mth469
@mth469 Год назад
Werner von Braun was one of them.
@woodenseagull1899
@woodenseagull1899 Год назад
@@mth469 It would have been better for all ; if the German population had never existed !
@remy12
@remy12 Год назад
I know some generals spoke up about the atrocities being committed, I believe they were demoted for it. I can't remember the names though. It would be interesting to see something on the ones that were against what was going on. Good video, thanks.
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube Год назад
I have done a video on this very subject which will be next week.
@remy12
@remy12 Год назад
@@HistoryonRU-vid Awesome!! I'm looking forward to it.
@jonathannixon8652
@jonathannixon8652 Год назад
​@@HistoryonRU-vid What is the name of the video, so I can find and watch it!? If you would be so kind Sir.
@daffyduk77
@daffyduk77 Год назад
You mention "Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe" when you really mean "Heer [the German army] and Luftwaffe" as the Luftwaffe was part of the Wehrmacht [the German armed forces]
@27294Mike
@27294Mike Год назад
Excellent representation , thanks Alan!
@johnfoster535
@johnfoster535 Год назад
It's called: " close miking"....ok ? Could not tolerate the annoying room reverb. Get a more direct signal on the voice with a lavalier mic,or, other solution like an " out of frame" mic on a boom, with a " dead cat " noise muffler attached.
@johnwright291
@johnwright291 Год назад
I have always thought that its kind of a stretch to believe that the german generals didn't suspect that the rooms might be bugged.
@eze8970
@eze8970 Год назад
It was new technology, microphones small enough to be hidden, & these were older men, used to larger military radios (for range), & operated by others. They would have understood the concepts, but have little knowledge of it's capabilities. Even by July 1940 in France, Germany hadn't equipped all it's Luftwaffe bases with proper ground control radios, & because radio had a lot of problems, it wasn't trusted. Most transmitting & recording equipment was quite large at the time, so they probably thought they would spot it. It would have been like James Bond Q Department spy level tech.
@paulhunter6742
@paulhunter6742 Год назад
These Generals were arrogant and having their orders obeyed. They fully believed they were superior everyone of Jewish people tried to eradicate from Earthm
@liamhickey359
@liamhickey359 Год назад
Whether they suspected or not , it didn't seem to perturb them having conversations. The information discussed would have had no obvious repercussions on the interlocutors. It would have been quite easy to draw people into a false sense of security under such congenial and comfortable conditions .
@johnwright291
@johnwright291 Год назад
@@liamhickey359 also a lot of them hated hitler so they probably wouldn't have cared what they said. The war was over them.
@chrisperrins8082
@chrisperrins8082 Год назад
The General at the end of this video was right in saying they have sinned All those who have participated in the evil acts of murder have their place in hell reserved.
@thepub245
@thepub245 Год назад
They knew everything. At least one spoke out against it and lost his job. Most went along with it. Some only raised objections when the murder sprees directly affected their own operations. Another complained that the many corpses would poison the water table and therefore was a danger to his troops of getting diseases.
@Primetiime32
@Primetiime32 Год назад
Thanks for the upload
@wildcolonialman
@wildcolonialman Год назад
Excellent effort. Will watch and listen again.
@peace-now
@peace-now Год назад
Of course they all knew what was happening. After all, they were generals. It is also clear that the English knew about the Holocaust very early on, like even before 1941. To their minds, they were soldiers, and had a job to do. The thought that what happen to the Jews was no concern of theirs.
@Wolf-hh4rv
@Wolf-hh4rv Год назад
The Holocaust was not initiated before 1941. The Einzatsgruppen in the Soviet Union in 1941 was the beginning. Not saying Jews weren’t murdered before June 1941, but not part of a systematic genocide.
@pierren___
@pierren___ Год назад
This is anti-white narrative
@rockville34
@rockville34 Год назад
Winston Churchill knew full well what was going on in the concentration camps via reports from the Polish Free Army. His reply was, "those pesky Jews want me to waste bombs on railroad tracks when I have cities to flatten". After the war he admitted he was wrong. He prevented the American's from bombing the rails to save the Jews.
@kieranororke620
@kieranororke620 Год назад
'The 'English' knew about the Holocaust' you say...Good grief, what century are you referring to? Great Britain became a united country in 1707! And when Britain knew about it then so did the other Allies. As for why you claim the Allies chose to conduct the war the way they did, that is nothing more than your opinion alone and clearly it is one that you cannot prove.
@pierren___
@pierren___ Год назад
@@kieranororke620 they have antiwhite hatred which they try to justify
@JohnSmith-cw4ve
@JohnSmith-cw4ve Год назад
They talk about this very topic on a episode of "secrets of the Dead" very interesting.
@daveanderson3805
@daveanderson3805 Год назад
Excellent work, as always. Well done
@isawa6649
@isawa6649 Год назад
Well done British secret service. I understand why some info were not used. It doesn't mean I like it. Thank you for this video and the PBS documentary link.
@darkknight1340
@darkknight1340 9 месяцев назад
I don't believe that cowardice is the correct term to describe those wehrmacht officers who did not speak out when confronted by nazi atrocities,rather,self-preservation seems the more likely motivating factor.
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube 9 месяцев назад
That is a good point.
@williambent9636
@williambent9636 5 месяцев назад
most Whermacht officers and even common soldiers were murderers themselves or complicit in murder. The SS and Police Battalions were often aided by as well as supplied by the army. read the works of omar bertov as a point of departure.
@albertangeloro5832
@albertangeloro5832 Год назад
i have always been pissed at the sainting of Rommel. how could he possibly not know?
@egbertm.2380
@egbertm.2380 Год назад
Me too. In the seventies beeing a soldier in the Bundeswehr I had to recognize that a sergeant had a poster of Rommel on the wall. Rommel knew what was going on with jewish people in occupied territories of North Africa. Can't find the link now, but there is a german documentary about this on YT.
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay Год назад
I think the Bristish Army held him in esteem during the war, for his militaary abilities and successes. Even after the war, this spread to the public, resulting from a film in 1950 ? that was based around his Desert strategy's. Although he was prominant in the Blitzkrieg crushing of France, he was better known as the Desert Fox---away from the evil doings of war on the eastern front. Knowing of his forced suicide by Hitler, when Rommels suggested involvement in the plot to Kill Hitler . This also elevated Rommel as a 'Good Guy'.
@kenfrantz8652
@kenfrantz8652 7 месяцев назад
Amazing research, incredibly done. We have to get you more subscribers and watchers of your videos.
@pauldurkee4764
@pauldurkee4764 Год назад
I'm guessing that transcriptions of recorded conversations exist in archives, but I wonder if they still have the original recordings?
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay Год назад
i HEARD ON A TV DOCUMENTARY THAT THEY WERE DESTROYED
@guidoreijnders4227
@guidoreijnders4227 Год назад
No, the records were re-used, but the transcript are still saved.
@palmergriffiths1952
@palmergriffiths1952 5 месяцев назад
I wonder too about Officers in the Field & what they knew. I can refer to one event. My Grandfather who was a WWII veteran himself had a friend who fought in Normandy. I believe his friend was part of The third Canadian Infantry Division and his Unit was The North Nova Scotia Highlanders. If I'm right they were supposed to take The Carpiquet Airfield outside of Caen. They Ran into the 12th Armored SS-HitlerJugend under The Command of Kurt Meyer. The Canadians including my Grandfather's friend Reg Keeping of The North Novies were captured and taken behind The Abbey of Ardenne and Executed By The 12th SS. Some say Meyer knew nothing about it happening But other stories suggest he gave the order
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube 5 месяцев назад
I find it very hard to believe that Meyer did not know Palmer! His own HQ was in the abbey and he had a history of such violence, for example during the Third Battle of Kharkiv in 1943 or massaces committed at the beginning of Barbarosaa in Równe. His trial record is available, I might do a video on it one day - and his involvement in the former SS old boys organisation, HIAG, after the war.
@palmergriffiths1952
@palmergriffiths1952 5 месяцев назад
​@@HistoryonRU-vid I agree with you on that. My Grandfather despised this Man for what happened at the Abbey But in General he didn't like The SS. They most certainly didn't have a reputation as being Boy Scouts.
@msgfrmdaactionman3000
@msgfrmdaactionman3000 Год назад
Very interesting video, thanks! I didn't know that it wasn't used for war crime trials. BTW, the Germans also bugged places, like a Berlin brothel frequented by many of the German generals. I like the Soviet WW2 Spy TV series Seventeen Moments of Spring, every episode has Nazi bugged rooms in it!
@anthonycrumb5753
@anthonycrumb5753 Год назад
The bugged Berlin Brothel was the (in)famous Salon Kitty. It was overseen by Walter Schelenburg head of the SS inteligence service. The brothei was run by the eponymous Madam Kitty Smit. It finally closed due to allied bombing - not for lack of clients ha ha. Kitty Smit survived the war but as far as I am aware she never spilled the beans on any of her famous clients, she took the sex secrets of the Third Riech to her grave. There is a Euro- exploitation film called "Salon Kitty" by Tinto Brass that's worth a look if you are interested.
@lablackzed
@lablackzed Год назад
Good post seen the documentary 👍
@roymartin500
@roymartin500 Год назад
Great job!
@clarkewi
@clarkewi Год назад
Shocking.
@mth469
@mth469 Год назад
Most went along with it.
@johnwright291
@johnwright291 Год назад
Secrets of the dead is an awesome series. The one called searching for nazi scientists is excellent. Thats the approximate title. Its about the ALSOS operation at the end of the war.
@Demy1970
@Demy1970 Год назад
They should have known they were being recorded, come on?
@larryclemens1850
@larryclemens1850 Год назад
The basic premise of national (racial) socialism was that only the aryan race was capable of building an advanced society and that, of all other races, the jewish race represented the greatest threat to society's development. According to the Nazi view, it was not a crime, but a duty to eliminate the jewish race, since their very existence could dilute the Aryan bloodline to the extent it could jeopardize Aryan supremacy and society. For a nazi, the elimination of "inferior" races was about as controversial as a farmer using selective breeding to improve his herd. Of course they were complicit.
@mth469
@mth469 Год назад
Who was considered Aryan? Which countries?
@williambent9636
@williambent9636 5 месяцев назад
@@mth469only Germans, Scandinavians, blonde hair, blue eyes etc. Some "racially valuable" material could be found (and kidnapped) in Poland and Ukraine.
@rosaingram23
@rosaingram23 Год назад
Why is this blocked. Unable to access.
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube Год назад
I can access, no problem!
@paulstewart6293
@paulstewart6293 Год назад
I've never heard of British whisky. Is it like the Scottish stuff?
@MichaelLeBlanc-p4f
@MichaelLeBlanc-p4f 7 месяцев назад
Most interested in Meyers story.
@townfanjohn
@townfanjohn Год назад
Love the artwork!!!
@mygreatbigfoot1679
@mygreatbigfoot1679 Год назад
3 minutes in and i’m thinking the upper classes of the world were united despite the war on the bucket of crabs peoples.
@kevinmlafleche
@kevinmlafleche Год назад
Wrong!! Mercy for the guilty is a crime against the victims, and future potential victims.
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube Год назад
Who said anything about mercy for the guilty?
@kevinmlafleche
@kevinmlafleche Год назад
@@HistoryonRU-vid My words were quoted by some philo, but no, I don't agree with you saying they ought to be left off the hook for the crimes that were committed under their watch. Thought you were looking for some feedback in the comments.
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube Год назад
@@kevinmlafleche I repat once more the same question. Who said anything about mercy for the guilty?
@visionist7
@visionist7 Год назад
@@kevinmlafleche paint is not for huffing
@kevinmlafleche
@kevinmlafleche Год назад
@@HistoryonRU-vid Are you now complaining about symantics. You said you were fine with them getting off scott free. I disagree. Simple. Were we not suppose to give a comment RU-vidrs always ask? Is this helping you? Did you want me re visit every word you said. Is that what this is all about? Why don't you spend more time making the next video instead. See you in the next one. Bye!
@donsteitz6034
@donsteitz6034 Год назад
In lieu of the grift scheme many of the generals, especially senior field generals. The type of "war" that was going to be committed was going to be one of brutal conquest and they were slated to profit directly for it. I think Heinz Guderian toured Poland before the war so he could select where to make his future estate, read that somewhere...? The bulk of them would have entertained anything.
@71ibanez
@71ibanez Год назад
Trent Park now apartments/flats
@mikhailiagacesa3406
@mikhailiagacesa3406 Год назад
Nothing new here. Narrator seems to be struggling.
@jackrosario9990
@jackrosario9990 Год назад
Vidal Sassoon if you don't look good we don't look good!
@calc1657
@calc1657 Год назад
Imo, Churchill made the right decision.
@peace-now
@peace-now Год назад
You mean in betraying the Poles?
@paigetomkinson1137
@paigetomkinson1137 Год назад
@@peace-now That was Chamberlain.
@SkuliBragason
@SkuliBragason Год назад
As always people mention the Jews and forget the others.
@HistoryonYouTube
@HistoryonYouTube Год назад
The only one forgetting the others is you.
@GriefTourist
@GriefTourist Год назад
Judea declares war on Germany
@georgewillems32
@georgewillems32 Год назад
"Wir haben es nicht gewusst....."
@mth469
@mth469 Год назад
The hell you did not.......
@egbertm.2380
@egbertm.2380 Год назад
" Verdrängung" ( Sigmund Freud). Raised in Germany after the war, I could not imagine what people were able to do against others and the worst done by Germans. I recognized three ways the elders chose to live with it: " We didn't know nothing." - " If the Führer had known this, he wouldn't allow it."- "As Germans we have to clarify what was going on and we have a special responsibility that this will never happen again. Nevertheless this is not common sense here as the confrontations around the "Wehrmachtsaustellung" 1995 - 99 and 2001-2004 showed up.
@vanpaul147
@vanpaul147 Год назад
Not necessarily brainwashed but Roman Catholic anyways
@rogersponge6153
@rogersponge6153 Год назад
True, some were born Roman Catholics. Others were Protestants, atheists or agnostics. Nothing in Catholicism or Protestantism teaching to justify them.
@thewwiiprofessor5808
@thewwiiprofessor5808 Год назад
Even the German citizens understood much of the extent of the atrocities. The rotation of the Wehrmacht and SS, along with the wounded, certainly brought information back home.The daylight death marches down German streets in broad daylight was common. People choose to live in bliss. The heer was instrumental in the atrocities as they supported the einsatzgruppen or vice versa....and commited mass murder. Babi Yar is a clear example if this collaboration. Albeit, no better evidence then Barbarossa Decree, Nacht und Nebel. Schrecklichkeit is another great example. Damn...even the July 20th plotters like Von Stauffenberg were enthusiastic supporters of Lebensraum and enslaving the Poles to..."put the Poles under the whip"...as he stated in a letter home.
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