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What the NUC Kind of Cluster is This??? 

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@jcugnoni
@jcugnoni Год назад
Reminds my several 'Beowulf' clusters for scientific computation that I built 10+ years ago by stacking miniITX small for factor I5-3450s (4core 16Gb ram each) and hooked them to a gigabit switch. Node0 was running Ubuntu with storage pools, management tools and the other nodes were booting by tftp with all the files hosted node0. DRBL linux package was handling the whole boot, os config of the nodes, network mounts magically. This cluster has served us well for dynamic fluid/structure simulation using MPI for more than 7 years and was totally unbeatable in perf/dollar. Maybe I could do that with those mini pcs. With the current CPU perf / watt and core count this ciuld be great..
@ktfjulien
@ktfjulien Год назад
@Wendell TRY THIS ^^ !!
@DigitalJedi
@DigitalJedi Год назад
I used to have a single big box with a 6800K and dual Titan Xps for simulations, but I remember the computer science lab in my university having a stack of 1L office PCs with i5 3450Ts. IIRC there were 3 stacks of 6 each for 18 nodes or 72 CPU cores and a combined 144GB of RAM. It was really funny hearing them all spool up their fans. You could tell how hard somebody was hitting them by how many of them spun up.
@autohmae
@autohmae Год назад
At some point HP released Open Single System Image (openSSI) Linux Cluster Project, which was also kind of interesting, but sadly didn't seem to go anywhere.
@bosstowndynamics5488
@bosstowndynamics5488 Год назад
I'd love to see some more stuff specifically on hyperconvergence itself, what software supports it (XCP, Proxmox, eventually TrueNAS etc), how to use it, when to use it and maybe even using it with mixed hardware setups for the homelabber with a need for more PCIe lanes than these mini PCs can provide.
@AlexSchendel
@AlexSchendel Год назад
I personally would love to see more Thunderbolt (or USB4 for that matter) adoption in desktop motherboards.
@tames307
@tames307 Год назад
Thunderbolt adoption was slowed by Intel's exclusive-use deal with Apple when it was first released. I'm surprised that it hasn't taken off since then.
@StaySic4Ever
@StaySic4Ever Год назад
Yeah lack of USB4 even on expensive boards is simply horrible, to add just regular type-C adoption is also horrible, everyone slacking.
@Decenium
@Decenium Год назад
ehhh idk, we are using docks these days at work for employees with their usb C connection points and honestly... I thought usb C was suppose to last long but it kinda sucks, they become so weak, never had that with usb A or B.
@potatoes5829
@potatoes5829 Год назад
@@Decenium agree, had a couple usbc ports bend in ways usba never would
@LampJustin
@LampJustin Год назад
Yeah, the video I've been waiting for ever since NUCs popped with two TB3 interfaces 😊🎉 Real sad, that the latency is that high though. That makes it totally unusable for replicated storage...
@echtogammut
@echtogammut Год назад
I bought my mother one of the MinisForum "game" PC's to replace the MicroITX computer I built her a couple years back. For the money, I couldn't build something better and certainly not as small. I was really impressed with the little thing.
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 Год назад
When it breaks you cant even run around to get replacement parts. While a desktop computer can be repaired easily and cheaply.
@TechnoTim
@TechnoTim Год назад
Cattle not pets! Build availability into the solution, not into each device! Love it!
@alexlovett1991
@alexlovett1991 Год назад
Love this stuff, I looked into it a while ago but with IP over USB3 which is a very accessible connector (a lot of homelabbers don’t have modern thunderbolt systems but old laptops / mini pcs). Would love to see if that’s possible (haven’t got round to trying it myself).
@MarkRose1337
@MarkRose1337 Год назад
In the days of old, I ran a NUC Now I'll need at least 3 those when I muck Cause I do a ping-NUC 1, NUC 2 Then I save a NUC for when there's nothin' else to do
@bcredeur97
@bcredeur97 Год назад
I had no idea thunderbolt could be used for networking like this. This is genius!
@autohmae
@autohmae Год назад
USB also supports networking as does Bluetooth.
@physx_yt1062
@physx_yt1062 Год назад
@@autohmae How would you use USB?
@autohmae
@autohmae Год назад
@@physx_yt1062 for this application ? I wouldn't maybe USB4 is good enough. Just saying that all of them have IP support.
@lunalucadou877
@lunalucadou877 Год назад
It feels like the logical endpoint of Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is PCIe, which is basically a packet-switched network, so why not use it as the carrier for another packet-switched network (IP)?
@Toddimus831
@Toddimus831 Год назад
Would this work with USB3.2 (gen2x2,or whatever the 20Gbit version is called)? Even if it’s not explicitly called Thunderbolt? I’m assuming it would definitely work with USB4.
@rpm10k.
@rpm10k. Год назад
Thunderbolt is not USB.
@Foiliagegaming
@Foiliagegaming Год назад
I’m in the process of building a new lab and I have been struggling on what to get. This has helped me a bit. Thank Level1techs!
@lostphotographs3936
@lostphotographs3936 Год назад
Wendel looking good Sir! Great content from the team. 2.5 G in a NUC is a win.
@buk0wski
@buk0wski Год назад
I think I may have missed it, but what's with those ridiculous pings (on a local network??). Is this just a poorly written driver?
@AzureFlash
@AzureFlash Год назад
15:57
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
ask eta about the gamecube and think makita toolbox plz and Thank you
@marcin_karwinski
@marcin_karwinski Год назад
Great thing for a K3OS or similar Kubernetes cluster on bare metal OS...
@MyAJVideo
@MyAJVideo Год назад
FYI old lenovo micro pcs have PCI so you could add a network card :D
@jonny393
@jonny393 Год назад
not been here for...a year, maybe two... What happened you look good man!
@DarkShadowReign
@DarkShadowReign Год назад
He got bit by a tick and got sick and had to change his diet.
@GabrielFoote
@GabrielFoote Год назад
That in inconsistent ping is um... concerning
@chrisg9215
@chrisg9215 Год назад
I'd leave a positive comment but I'm all outta sorts without my morning new... Links with friend sharing...... I agree with guy who said we need Krista to fill in with Wandall and Ryu puppets....
@zushiba
@zushiba Год назад
First, I finally got some internet points!
@cairath
@cairath Год назад
Cheers ;)
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 Год назад
all the points, give them to him/her/they/it
@V1N_574
@V1N_574 Год назад
I just imagine youtube sending firsts certificate
@benjamintrathen6119
@benjamintrathen6119 Год назад
I have often wondered why there is no daisy chain cable? For nucs with only 1 thunderbolt port this would be nice.
@BryceDearden
@BryceDearden Год назад
If you only end up getting about 10Gb anyway you could use that GoWin R86 that has two 10 gig SFP cages on it already.
@physx_yt1062
@physx_yt1062 Год назад
That's pretty cool, no added power consumption and heat from extra networking cards and for a cluster like this, the limit on the cable length is not an issue. I would be interested in the possibility of using a thunderbolt 4 hub to take all of this to the next level, but that would add cost and complexity and I suspect that a hub wouldn't work with multiple hosts in the first place, as that's not what it was designed for.
@gmanyyavailable
@gmanyyavailable Месяц назад
If you do eGPU you'd know that Thunderbolt's 40 Gbit number is a marketing term. It can only do 40 Gbit in DisplayPort mode. In PCIe mode it goes down to 32 Gbit (four lanes of PCIe 3.0), but somehow this is before protocol overhead. After protocol overhead, you get maximum 2.2 GiB/s transfer speeds very best case scenario
@gustersongusterson4120
@gustersongusterson4120 Год назад
In my opinion/experience, thunderbolt was a promise never even close to being realised. I'd avoid the headache personally. Maybe more mini pcs will start being designed with SFP ports which are slower but without the bs.
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 Год назад
Like so many Intel developments over the last decade or so
@ChrisOfSDUB
@ChrisOfSDUB Год назад
Now do it with firewire
@crlshn
@crlshn Год назад
Jajajaja thunderbolt en linux y con AMD or nvidia hahahahade, please don't. Yet. Early adopted back & no Bueno
@sregister
@sregister 9 месяцев назад
Anyone actually run iperf or netperf over a thunderbolt-net interface like this? In order to do highspeed ethernet a lot of driver/sw tricks and hw offloads are needed to run ethernet efficiently and im not sure if just raw thunderbolt is enough but maybe it is
@LeminskiTankscor
@LeminskiTankscor Год назад
Oh I'm not sure. It sounds like a setup for a complete Clusternuc to me.
@Warrigt
@Warrigt 9 месяцев назад
Useful info amongst the rambling
@ahyi9350
@ahyi9350 9 месяцев назад
While running this in cluster with 2.5gbps, doesnt it get slow?
@TheExard3k
@TheExard3k 10 месяцев назад
Those latencies (ping) is unacceptable for using Ceph. That's worse than a WAN connection. Sequential transfers should be fine, but for clustering, that's a no go :(
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
3d vcache vgpio? pathrought? think capturecard but quantom arm meets x86 #northbrydge (threadripper ipad pro brydge keys?
@djstraussp
@djstraussp 10 месяцев назад
Nice idea for 5 node lenovo m90q mini cluste, but using 10gb and no switch. This could save a lot of money. I think this could be done on plain ethernet NICs.
@LA-MJ
@LA-MJ Год назад
What I am hearing instead is don't bother with TB networking unless you have nothing above 2.5Gbps
@jyvben1520
@jyvben1520 Год назад
or go retro, use firewire (400/800) was faster than (in theory) than 100Mb, but also only point to point.
@ewenchan1239
@ewenchan1239 Год назад
Silly question - how do you install a PCIe 3.0 x16 card into any one of these mini PCs???
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
1tb of cache? would that help an os #3d cache clockfriquency issues(handler prioraty)?
@gillianseed4419
@gillianseed4419 Год назад
software networking, I mean it can work but its gonna suck down half your cpu cycles and run half the speed
@MHTHINK
@MHTHINK 22 дня назад
Would thunderbolt provide the lowest power 40Gbps connection? Certainly less than adding an older sfp+ card..
@Level1Techs
@Level1Techs 22 дня назад
mostly no, closer to 20gbpa
@MHTHINK
@MHTHINK 21 день назад
@@Level1Techs Thanks for the reply. I'm just very interested in power consumption lately, now that I'm living off grid. My old-ish enterprise strategy is no longer cutting the mustard.
@chrisg9215
@chrisg9215 Год назад
Also is the ping introducing significantl latency that manifests when using the cluster? I need to do more home labbing....
@mikegrok
@mikegrok Год назад
I have a Genoa 9124 with an air cooler. After boot is is actually very quiet. The cpu has a max power of 200 watts, but the chip area is enormous, so it has no trouble getting rid of the heat.
@WilReid
@WilReid Год назад
I wonder, and I know it sounds crazy, if introducing a TB to PCIe chassis with a proper NIC would work better or just increase the latency and overhead. It could show if it's the interface or entirely the driver.
@tommybronze3451
@tommybronze3451 Год назад
We still have a situation where a low cost nvme will saturate ethernet socket becuase those mini pc's insist on not using 10gbe :/
@benjamintrathen6119
@benjamintrathen6119 Год назад
Yay finally the NUC cluster, I have been looking forward to this since you mentioned in another video
@shambleslongplay3566
@shambleslongplay3566 Год назад
Why no level 1 news.. I mean level 1 sharing links with friends??
@ShroomheadOne
@ShroomheadOne Год назад
This video title is far cleverer than it has any right to be.
@microcolonel
@microcolonel Год назад
Now that intel is discontinuing NUC... do we now call them PUC?
@OGSkumse
@OGSkumse Год назад
So basically iSCSI, but with extra caveats? :D
@upgrayedd251
@upgrayedd251 Год назад
So happy to see another happy outcome! Your hard work is making a difference!
@WarkWarbly
@WarkWarbly Год назад
Is there an active occulink m.2 card that would work with this kind of stuff?
@feralshad0w
@feralshad0w Год назад
How does the ngenius system compare to the Linksys omada?
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
Escape from tarkov cheatercard fixes vigpo?
@MarkRose1337
@MarkRose1337 Год назад
I''m surprised this wasn't on the Linux channel
@CataclysmZA
@CataclysmZA Год назад
Level1Linux probably does not have the algorithmic reach that the main channel does, so this will do better here.
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
1tb virus or "Ai" xD #uranium forge eeprom updater
@samiraperi467
@samiraperi467 Год назад
ClusterNUC.
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
Bisides solar bitflips cancer is the main catalyst
@Gerben_Meijer
@Gerben_Meijer Год назад
How about bridging the thunderbolt interfaces on each nuc, and running spanning tree. Now you have a flat br-thunderbolt network with just one ip per nuc.
@0LoneTech
@0LoneTech Год назад
Spanning tree protocol essentially works by logically cutting links until the network has no loops. You'd end up with one node handling all the traffic between the others, even though they have a direct link going unused. That also adds the full latency to all the forwarded traffic. Running one IP per NUC is fine, as long as the routing is correct (multipath for redundancy).
@greygag36
@greygag36 Год назад
Couldn't you bridge the interfaces and assign an IP so it's the same IP space. Simpler config with the same design.
@iodehk5205
@iodehk5205 Год назад
P2P is better. STP bad
@kevinclark1466
@kevinclark1466 Год назад
Can this work with USB4?
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
what is death? a blesing
@caseykreicar
@caseykreicar Год назад
what the NUC?!?
@VideogamesAsArt
@VideogamesAsArt 11 месяцев назад
This is incredibly cool
@FrenziedManbeast
@FrenziedManbeast Год назад
What's my lowest-wattage and cheapest cost to having a home machine with: ECC RAM, 10GbE, Intel Quick Sync, and at least six cores/12 threads?
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 Год назад
still pretty high, you are looking at Xeon D boards
@FrenziedManbeast
@FrenziedManbeast Год назад
The Xeon chips aren't APUs too, right? So I'd need an Intel GPU w/ Quick Sync support as well? Seems like a lot of PCIe connectivity to give up just to gain Quick Sync, that's a shame.
@bosstowndynamics5488
@bosstowndynamics5488 Год назад
​@@FrenziedManbeastIntel does make some consumer chips with ECC but you'll probably not get 6 hyperthreaded cores (they only do this on low end chips where there's no competing Xeon), so you'll need to decide if 4 high performance cores will do compared to say 6 older generation, more power hungry cores. Do you need QuickSync specifically though, or just hardware accelerated encoding? Because AMD's 7000 series will run really efficiently when underclocked slightly, is readily available in 6 core configurations for *relatively* cheap, they all support ECC and have onboard GPUs so they *should* be able to do hardware encode (do double check this first but as long as the encoders are there AMD GPUs are generally well supported on Linux).
@FrenziedManbeast
@FrenziedManbeast Год назад
@@bosstowndynamics5488 I should have specified that I'm looking for fully Registered ECC. I'm still curious as to what the lowest Watt + lowest cost solution would be. I understand that many consumer CPUs support ECC on the data sheet, but finding motherboards with support for Registered ECC for those chips seems...difficult? Impossible?
@MarkRose1337
@MarkRose1337 Год назад
Many i3s support ECC RAM.
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
Pcie turning pi 2
@SaltCollecta
@SaltCollecta Год назад
The Minis Forum Quorum 🥳
@DavidAshwell
@DavidAshwell Год назад
"Soon" showed up!
@erk5243
@erk5243 Год назад
DeeeZ NUCz
@boydfields
@boydfields Год назад
You're just great!
@Jango1989
@Jango1989 Год назад
Love this!
@noname-vl6vy
@noname-vl6vy Год назад
can you do 5 node on that setup? please?
@CataclysmZA
@CataclysmZA Год назад
Three node is a practical limitation because there aren't enough Thunderbolt ports available.
@0LoneTech
@0LoneTech Год назад
​@@CataclysmZA Only for full interconnection. You can still run a ring topology with two paths between any nodes, though forwarding through networks with this poor performance isn't going to be fun.
@haakoflo
@haakoflo Год назад
So out of the box we get 1Gb and 100ms ping? Or we could use the 2 2.5Gb interfaces for 5Gb aggregate, and 0.1ms ping?
@snowwsquire
@snowwsquire Год назад
2x10gigabit for a little setup when you first get the nucs vs 2x2.5gigabit oob is an easy choice for me, that 10gigabit is gonna be much better for me
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 Год назад
If you are not using the thunderbolt it's not worth the 100-150$ markup over similar devices without thundetbolt. Also if you use both ethernet ports to do this then what network interface is used to talk to the outside world?
@tcnymex
@tcnymex Год назад
​@@marcogenovesi8570 perhaps talk to the outside world vua a wifi card in a slot where a 2nd ssd would normally go
@grantwiersum7394
@grantwiersum7394 Год назад
The Jetson nanos can be clustered together to build a mini gpu cluster. Beastly for inference and more than capable for training small NNs. I've toyed with the idea of building a luggable/cyberdeck with 5 nodes and an ebike battery in a briefcase.
@midnightlaundry2800
@midnightlaundry2800 Год назад
Any dude in I.T. named Wendell has to be the man! LOL
@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar
@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar Год назад
You don't want with low security thunderbolt an hacker to use it and overheat until it catch fire😁
@awetisimgaming7473
@awetisimgaming7473 Год назад
I would actually like to put 8 orange pi 5s in my system that has a 7950x, and I'm wondering how easy this setup is gonna be with the way people talk about it. This seems somewhat daunting, and I may also opt to use the m.2 slots for interfacing instead of type c or on board ethernet
@stuffinfinland
@stuffinfinland 3 месяца назад
Unable to compute.
@brianhansen2202
@brianhansen2202 Год назад
I wish this guy would learn, that the background music is very annoing... Otherwise, I love his videos. I'm not interested in music, when watching computer-videos, and when I want music, I prefer to choose it myself
@mikedeath7333
@mikedeath7333 Год назад
risc-v cores can run an os at 1mhz zo can i volt it up to like 120dc and have the chassis run on 24v #capasotor pack+ discharge tool arcing prev.
@OCONTECH
@OCONTECH Год назад
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