I am in awe at the Ra revelation. That not only does it completely changes the movie, the show would've been a completely different beast altogether! And most amazingly, _no one ever noticed_
from what his final comments seem to imply, I think he acknowledges that the TV series mythology was much more realistic than what he was doing - he had admitted earlier in the interview to not really knowing what Ra's deal was when they started filming - if he didn't know _that_ before filming the first one, it is very telling that they probably hadn't filled in the details for the rest of the trilogy other than a few vague plot points. i.e. he was going to pull it out of his butt as he went along anyways, so the TV series is likely far better than what he would have done. And he realizes it.
The whole "ancient aliens" thing feels pretty played out at this point. It got beaten into the ground by History and a number of other copycats. I think it would be a real hard sell to do this remotely well and make it feel fresh.
The Bill McCay Stargate books are an interesting alternate universe that act as sequels to the film. They can be a bit clunky but they have some really interesting concepts that the TV show never dealt with. The US sends a major military contingent back to Abydos and start mining Ra's mineral in depth. Ra's Lieutenant Hathor starts building warships to go reclaim Abydos. There's internal politic between Abydonians, the military and the mining corporation and interesting to see Kasuf, Skaara and Shauri in positions of power that put them at odds with Colonel O'Neil (one "L"). In the 3rd book Hathor attacks Earth in Ra's heavy warship The Boat of a Thousand Years, Earth refits the entire space shuttle fleet to go fight them and looks for a major space weapons defence system that was left on Earth by some other ancient aliens. It was fun in an over the top way.
@@somebuddyX that literally sounds like the plot to independence Day : Resurgence. Also alot of those concepts were in fact explored by the TV series, the USAF mining Naquadah for ships, looking for advanced technology and fending off an attack on Earth from aliens.
As much as I thank Dean Devlin for the conception of stargate, I generally don’t believe some of the things he says idea wise. What he states seems to change quite a bit.
I watched Stargate movie (on VHS) when I was a kid and like it very much. When I saw new SG-1 my first reaction was "Who are these people? Am I watching the same Stargate? What? Snakes?". So I dropped it. Started watching again only in the 2005 year. SG-1 (and SGA+SGU) is a great series but for me it like a spin-off of the original movie in some parallel universe. It was always interesting what happened after the step in the Stargate at the end of the movie, it was Earth or, maybe, some another world? Ps. My English may be not so good, but I tried my best.
the reality is (and it was admitted to in this very video), the creators of the Stargate film were pulling story ideas out of their butt as they went; if anything, the TV series polished that junk into a coherent concept that actually worked. They literally called out that they weren't even sure what Ra was until filming was underway - saying they had no concept of System Lords or any of the really good part of the TV show... i.e. the first film was good despite the writers of it, whereas the TV show was great because they polished that raw concept a bit and made it into one of the best franchises ever.
@@chouseification I love the movie, but the series actually makes sense (with the exception of the first few episodes). The lore of the movie is non-existent and bit chaotic.
@@NetAndyCz yeah those first few episodes need to be understood with the "Showtime filter" - i.e. Showtime made them show boobs and had it a bit racier than the producers intended. Luckily that stopped early on.
@@NetAndyCz "The lore of the movie is non-existent and bit chaotic." Yeah, I can tell you never read the _Stargate_ novelization or the Bill McCay tie-in novels.
@@chouseification "They literally called out that they weren't even sure what Ra was until filming was underway" No. What Devlin said is they changed Ra's nature to fix Jaye Davidson's wonky performance.
@@metalzonemt-2 I was referring to the overall mechanism of a door that takes you to many worlds as a foundation for a serialized television show. (somebody might have talked them out of bigfoot heh heh)
I loved, how they used the opportunity to tell standalone sci-fi stories that were only loosely connected to the main storyline about war with Go'ould and stuff. These short sci-fi novels inside the SG lore are actually my favourites.
Wow, i would love to hear all his ideas about the other 2 movies. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE the series, but i would like to at least know what ideas he has for his original image of this amazing show we all love
Really interesting stuff! The original financiers selling the movie rights for 5 mil right before it aired must be one of their worst decisions ever. And that Devlin worked with Glassner on The Outpost (have to watch that) and still does on other projects...
To this day, almost 30 years later, I still lament what could have been. Emerich and Devlin were screwed out of their own story. It's an atrocity. As much as SG-1 is near and dear to my heart, I wanted to see this epic trilogy unfold in the 90's with Spader, Russell and Avital. Christ, Sha'uri broke my 10 year old heart.
I'm glad that dean has stepped back into the stargate universe, even if it's not his original idea hed be working on. I think he's come to realise how special the tv series is and more than that, the universe its created from the original film. Stargate is one of the most fleshed out and cohesive sci fi franchises out there, to negate all of that history and story with a new stargate would be a huge mistake. But he should know that he is already a part of that history, the original film is the begining of the journey that seamlessly gives rise to the show, the two are inseparable at this point.
@nihilityjoey: it didn't sound to me like he has stepped back into the Stargate franchise universe. He's definitely not working on anything related to Stargate alone or with anyone else. What he started here is that he had discussed an idea for a Stargate series with Jonathan Glassner; who hasn't worked on Stargate for a long time; in fact he only worked on 4 of the 17 seasons (1 of the 3 series). And his idea IS an original idea of his own. But he didn't specify how his idea relates to existing canon. So, who knows if it would tie into the other series in any way. At this point there is no reason to believe that his idea will ever be produced. But I at least hope that it would not negate, disregard or ignore the other series!
@@DJJonPattrsn22 to clarify your comment, he was in recent years trying to get parts 2 and 3 of "his movie series" produced, and he had gone on record saying that they would have nothing to do with the TV show, as he had apparently not bothered to watch it by then, and clearly missed out that they _greatly enhanced_ his original premise, indeed his final comments in this interview spell out his impression that they did a better job than he would have. If he has good ideas to add to a future Stargate series (continuing the show canon) that's more than welcome - but he more or less admitted that he hadn't fully fleshed out the trilogy back in the day, so it would just be random brainstorming vs some concept he had been dying to do for decades - i.e. he's welcome to add to the existing franchise, but not a standalone one.
@@chouseification Yes! Indeed... Thank you! I actually heard/read from some source that he wanted to remake the first film as well. But that was completely canned in 2016...
@@chouseification Yeah that sums it up. Love the film, but the tv show has just been the best sci fi I have ever watched personally. They did excellent with the stories and continuity, great with technology and other aspects of sci fi as well as the more philosophical and esoteric aspects, combining both brilliantly. Its had a good impact on me personally as well. The sheer canon and lore also is something that cannot be ignored or redone, unless you don't name it stargate (which includes always the first film). But I dare say he has some really good ideas to contribute to the ongoing franchise, and I'd say after having viewed the material himself now, and understanding where it is, how its received and why, those ideas can only be honed more and maybe new ones to be had, which can only be a good thing for us stargate fans in the end.
Jesus, you self-entitled fanboys never change. A new version of _Stargate_ wouldn't "negate" anything. Your 354 episodes of television, two spinoff movies, and various & sundry novels, comics, games, etc. wouldn't retroactively cease to exist. They'd still be there for you to enjoy. SMH.
You could easily integrate a Movie about Mayan culture into the TV series and use a new movie as a pilot or rather launch firecracker, followed by a tv series. Movie and TV series are not mutually exclusive, you guys could work together
The original cut should still be released. Not just to gauge Davidson's performance "unfiltered", but also because there were a lot of scenes/subplots cut from the film which aren't even in the director's cut.
That would be wild to have something you made taken away from you and cut you out of any involvement with the spinoff TV series. I would be pissed off.
they actually covered the Mayan pyramids a few times...... At least 3 episodes made about them.... One with Hathor, one with the crystal skull, one with the device used to defeat the kull warriors ( wich in my opinion sucked a lot.... ). The thing is....Many of the series episodes are so abruptly disconnected....They could ve done more... The show actually should ve finished after at least 30 seasons because they actually didn t get to explore all the egyptian gods for exemple. For exemple in the Summit episodes they presented 2 goddesses that i think they were about to pursue them in more episodes but they abandoned the idea. Or for exemple the Nox.... They just dissapeared.....After the Tollan got exterminated by the Goauld we don t hear about the Nox again.... Where were they when Tolana has fallen? Where were they after that? Where were they when Earth was about to be destroied by Anubis? Thhey could ve just made the Earth invisible even when it was at one step of being destroied by the Ori. This is just an exemple among many that shows many disconections in the series scripts. It s understandable because it takes a powerful mind to think them and a lot of money but you can t say they did a perfect job....Nothing is perfect...
30 seasons?! Oy vey! What they should've done was stuck to Egyptian mythology and crafted a cohesive storyarc earlier instead of wasting so many episodes on generic Trek-lite filler and halfassed storylines which withered on the vine.
did you have any stories about working with Viveca? I worked for her a while ago and I found her to be a very interesting actress that was never given her due.
That does not surprise me at all. I love the series, but the movie was a mess. The trailers looked good, but at the theater I was terribly disappointed. Only after the series, does the movie even begin to work. 😎
Every time I hear somebody talking about the concept of the two sequel films, I'm grateful it wasn't made. Don't get me wrong I would always love another interpretation of where Stargate could have went...but the last movie tying in all unsolved mysteries on Earth and one little film. Sure.
In the current climate limited series for streaming are the hot thing so teaming up with glassner would be a good idea for him to do more with stargate
It would be great to see Brad Wright and Jonathan Glassner reach out to Dean Devlin and the three could combine the potential two other movies into any new Stargate TV that is Developed. The Asgard have been associated with Norse Mythology within the Franchise. Maybe they could associate The Furling with Myian Mythology hense why we haven't met them yet??
Except Mayan mythology has been tied to the Goauld, in fact any Pyramid building culture is tied to the Goauld, because they are landing pedestals for Hatak and Cheops class warships.
I don't think so. It would have been neat to see other cultures. but the thing is I seriously doubt the third movie would have been what he was saying. things shift while making movies, as evident by the fact that Ra wasn't made into an alien until after the movie was filmed. I certainly wouldn't trade it for the TV series though.
@@michaelcowin6442 I appreciated that Atlantis took the 8th Chevron in a believable direction: it was like an extended long-distance call, like a "dial 9 and the number".
New subscriber, here! :) I just started rewatching SGU (first season on blu-ray) this last week and because I googled a few things started getting all manner of things SG related suggested to me and GateWorld was one of them. Think I'll stay for a bit and watch a few videos! :) Incidentally, could someone kindly point me toward a list of the best versions of home media to get? In fact, I only recently got the "entire" SGU series (season 1 and 2) because I had fond memories of it, but I don't have ANY of the others series/movies on disc. :/ Btw, I heard that SGU is a little contentious among some fans. While I have seen the original movie, a large smattering of SG-1, and a small smattering of Atlantis, SGU is the only SG series that I have watched in its entirety, so I'm not steeped in the lore of anti-SGU angst. ;)
Welcome to the channel! Be sure to also check out our Web site at www.gateworld.net/ Atlantis is available on Bluray, but SG-1 is DVD only. The show didn't start shooting in HD until Season 8. The episodes streaming on Amazon are actually higher quality than the DVDs -- upscaled to around 720p or so.
@@GateWorldDotNet Thank you! I'll see what I can find. I do have Amazon Prime, but I really would like to have the physical media to play on my home theater system. ;) I don't know. Maybe I'll check to see how the streaming quality is. ;) Again, thanks a bunch! :)
@@GateWorldDotNet half true, 16mm and 35mm film negatives are in HD format in fact way over that resolution, but the process in transferring the negative is expensive and back then with no real HD, apart from cinemas, until later there probably wasn't much point. If the negatives are still hanging around then it could be processed straight to digital. ER was another show that had a very similar process to the early years of stargate sg1.
@@guyincognito566 The question I was answering was about what is currently available (not technically possible if the studio interested in it). But yeah, the older seasons were shot and film. However, unlike ER, the visual effects cannot simply be rescanned but would either remakes from scratch or upscaling.
@@GateWorldDotNet ahh ok, my apologies. VFX would stand out like a sore thumb on blu ray. Jurassic Park on blu ray comes to mind, all the effects are effectively sd. Side note, kinda wish sgu was available on blu ray (here in australia), I have season one on blu ray - which was a find I must say, but season two, is sadly dvd only.
Why would you sell for $5M when you had already sunk $50M. I guess they didn't conduct their own audience testing. Sad. I suppose we did get an excellent series nonetheless.
I'm glad Devlin has taken the chip off his shoulder about the movie reboots and subsequently completely undermining the core fanbase. The fact that he had lunch with Glassner I feel definitely helped him see the light that a series is the way to go. I hope he's involved! Devlin's got a good track record with TV between The Librarians, the original and reboot of Leverage, and The Outpost. Just stay away from the "edgy" stuff that SG-U tried and failed at.
Devlin and Emmerich's original idea seems to be that the Stargate would go to three different worlds over the course of three films, and each 7-symbol address would end with a different chevron locking.
@@GateWorldDotNet yes, but the 8th Chevron enabled them to dial to a different galaxy, I would assume that a 9th Chevron would allow them to gate to a different universe
Please give us the sequels!!! Forget the tv shows as much as i loved them they absolutely trashed the movie mythology and made the whole thing a bit of a joke
Hardly news, I read pretty much all of this 20 years ago, except for the 8th/9th chevron thing - which I sincerely doubt was on their mind back then. It sounds rather like Devlin is now trying to retrocatively insert the 8th and 9th chevron, which only the shows established as significant, into his own plans from the start. But if you watch the original movie (or read the novel, or the original script), the characters discuss the number of symbols on the device vs. on the cartouche, how they go together, oh look here's six but we need seven - without ever ackowledging that there are two more chevrons (always hidden under the ramp, as if the movie doesn't even want us to think about them). You'd think that if 8 and 9 where ever going to play a role in that canon, the characters' discussions while they're trying to figure out the gate should have at least mentioned them once, to have a hook for the sequels. So basically this comes across like warmed up old news garnished with some new revisionism, à la "oh yeah these ways in which the shows improved on our basic concept, we were totally going to do that as well, plus dracula and bigfoot, cool huh."
Not mentioning the 8th and 9th chevron makes sense because it would be irrelevant to the plot of the first movie. The 6 + 1 symbol system is already a lot of info dump, it wouldn't be important and would slow down the movie. The hook for the sequels wasn't necessary because the ring already has multiple combinations. Especially considering the show is a sequel! So obviously they didn't need setup.
Yeah, I think Devlin's been bit by the same revisionist bug which has plagued George Lucas through the years. The extra two chevrons were likely a design gaffe that someone failed to correct before the gate prop(s) was built. It's only decades later, with online nerd discourse being what it is, that Devlin felt a need to come up with a rationale for the chevrons. But it's a solution which only causes more problems. Why would three seven-symbol gate addresses need one alternate chevron each to work? And it sounds like that would limit the gate network to three planets. Why have 39 symbols on each gate then?
Disney has prooved u don’t go half ass and try and do a soft reboot and sequel in one go. It shits on everything done before.. just continue the stories we fell in love with for fuk sake
It doesn't surprise me that this sounds terrible. Movies would have been idiotic, especially reboots. The only reason they were thinking about this was because everyone were, look at how they ruined SO MANY GREAT MOVIES by rebooting their franchises, and how so many others lost their soul in the process. Stargate is SG1, SGA and SGU. Anything else but a continuation of these, the universe and so on, is bound to be a failure. Just make a new scifi franchise then, don't reboot Stargate. A new crew would be fine, a new team, new faces, that's great. Take a new direction. Take risks. Do all of that, but don't you dare touch the series universe.
I enjoy watching these but I am not really interested in seeing any stargate reboots or reimagining, to be honest I am glad there not making it these days. It's perfect the way it is and I am afraid it would turn out God-awful like star trek discovery or something terrible like that
The movies sound interesting but retconning the tv shows would have been a disaster. I would've boycotted it just for that. If I was in a bar 20 years later and it comes on the tv I'm leaving the bar. I love the tv shows too much.
I'd rather see full frontal nudity instead of a limp-wristed "sex scene" in a closet. Show me the money. Then again, I always hope that the creators of Stargate are clever enough to make something less pedestrian than to push the buttons on the prudes.
