What These Men did to SURVIVE will HAUNT You | The Forlorn Hope

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What would you do to survive?
This true story takes place along the California Trail out west in the 1840s. When the journey is delayed and winter comes early, the desperate group of emigrants must rely on their two Native American guides to lead a rescue party through the Sierra Nevada Mountains. What they do to survive the mission will HAUNT you.
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Script written by Derek Deremer
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@leesquire4235 4 дня назад

My man. I'm a total stranger. You don't know me. I have some diseases, that mean I spend a lot of time awake when no one else is. Too sore and troubled to have the focus required for reading - my greatest passion. So I listen instead, to you, and your tales. Thank you, for not being overly dramatic, and not overly injecting yourself into these accounts. RU-vid to some, is an excuse for narcissism. You are respectful, and fair, and thoroughly enjoyable. Keep up the good work, and thank you.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

I’m terribly sorry to hear that. One of the main reasons I started the channel was to tell people the stories from the books I read. I’m happy to hear you have enjoyed the channel and that it offers something in return. Thank you so much for your kind words.

@whaguitars 3 дня назад

100% I love his presentation style!

@ticket2space 3 дня назад

❤

@dal8963 3 дня назад

MY YOU BE BLEESED WITH HEALING IN JESUS NAME AMEN

@whaguitars 2 дня назад

@@dal8963 Amen.

@OpinionFromGenX 4 дня назад

Immediately, I was suspicious of this being the Donner party story through a different lense.

@phoebehill953 4 дня назад

It was the “unproven shortcut”, right?

@SvetlanaVladimirova8590 4 дня назад

That was truly a terrible and exciting story. You have a wonderful gift for transforming history into a gripping tale. Thank you!

@mikef.1000 4 дня назад

There is cannibalism because of necessity. And then there is betrayal.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

There is also ritual cannibalism. Wait until I get to the Aztecs.

@bullbutter9699 4 дня назад

@@datesanddeadguys Vagina eating is still practiced quite often to this day.

@HLStrickland 3 дня назад

@@datesanddeadguys Please do a video about the Pequot in New England.

@pantagruel42069 4 дня назад

Best thumbnails in the game! Never mistake the drops for anyone else!

@fireborn9065 3 дня назад

I've grown up in Colorado and heard of the Donner party my whole life, but didn't equate this story to that until you said the lake had been renamed. Love the perspective you bring to history, brother! Keep up the great work!👍

@dariusbaja21 4 дня назад

My Saturday just got a whole lot better 😊

@wombat3455 4 дня назад

An excellent briefing that explains the moral choices with great clarity

@evelyntanswell3311 4 дня назад

I look forward to your videos. Thank you so much for telling and explaining how life was back then. I find it fascinating! Life must have been so harsh! Just existing while traversing an enormous, largely unexplored country. Frightening! ❤

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Unfathomably large. To think people used to have to make the journey on foot or by wagon is absolutely crazy.

@thomasmarkle3721 4 дня назад

Love the pictures/graphics!

@BWIL2515 4 дня назад

To choose who is expendable is absolutely terrifying but to bring children and old is just as bad the healthiest only but in this case damned if you do and damned if you don't man what a terrible terrible experience. You always bring me in the story I don't think I could get any closer without being there thanks again for sharing your gift of story telling

@HLStrickland 3 дня назад

I got chilly listening to his telling.

@lorilove4706 4 дня назад

Throughly enjoy your storytelling of the old west. Those people had such a difficult life.

@markthomas4083 17 часов назад

Such a grueling journey to traverse, all the way from Missouri. I feel for the oxen, horses, guides and immigrants. The story represents a small portion of some of the thousands who made the journey west. I can’t imagine the horror’s faced along the route.

@ccccccasey 4 дня назад

I knew this story but I did not know alot of the key details you spoke of. awesome work!

@carleto9597 4 дня назад

Another good story, thanks for the video, great as usual.

@branni6538 3 дня назад

The artwork in the pictures shown is exceptional!

@ElizabethGrindon День назад

Yeah, it's great! Really enjoyed that part of this.

@stanwilliamson2375 4 дня назад

Really enjoy your historical depiction of the unknown and forgotten past

@annavillalobos-young5175 4 дня назад

Love your channel!

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Thank you!

@thomasmarkle3721 4 дня назад

I don't know the narrator's name but he does an outstanding job. Great channel. I'd recommend more stories like this now that his Apache/Commanche series is done. Maybe more frontier stories like this from a different, less common or deeper dive angle or perspective. I've been a fan of Daniel Boone since I could read. Maybe the history of the Iroquois, Cherokee, etc? The Alamo? The Oregon and Mormon Trails. I might not be as interested in the history of Europe but the way this guy approaches stories might change my mind. BTW, I love the humor, ie his reference to totem poles. ;)

@datesanddeadguys 3 дня назад

I have a few things on the horizon. A long time ago, I did a story on Lewis Wetzel. Regardless, that project made me love the Indian Fighter stories and I have debated doing a series on them. Perhaps a redo a Wetzel, The Ohio River Region in general. Kit Carson, Daniel Boone, Liver Eating Johnson. There isn’t a shortage. But in the short term I have two more videos along the lines of this one. With a Donner focus. Then perhaps a new series on the Lakota or the Aztecs. Like yourself, there have been a lot of calls for the Iroquois. Although, I am not as well read on them. That would be an undertaking.

@salty9799 4 дня назад

Yo are you going to cover what happened back at the camp?

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Yes. I have two others on this topic planned.

@salty9799 4 дня назад

@@datesanddeadguys savage I’m very new to your channel and I am liking so far

@joannemcfadden6405 4 дня назад

I knew at the beginning that this was about the Donnor Party. The reason is I did a deep dive after listening to another story about them around a year ago. Such a sad time for those explorers. I would have hated to live back in those days. Days when women had no say as to stay put or follow some fools into uncharted territory.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

I have been working on a project with Fanny Kelly, a Sioux captive. Same kind of story. Poor 19 year old girl moving west. Married just a year.

@Thecathunter 4 дня назад

Great work your store telling I believe is some of the best if not the best I have ever heard. Your research is great! I will be watching for the next one.

@clivevanzyl3287 4 дня назад

Great story👍🤷‍♂️👍

@HLStrickland 3 дня назад

I have heard this story of the Donner Pass and the Forlorn Hope before, but not in this kind of detail. Thank you.

@getoffenit7827 4 дня назад

Does anyone else remember the tv movie in the 70s called 'the road to survival'? I dont know the year (1977-78?) it had robert fuller(?) From the tv show 'Emergency!' Yeah im approaching 60 now. Anyway i had never heard of the donner party before that tv movie. After? I wouldnt go cross country skiing in the woods of rural maine anymore! My imagination went berserk! My parents didnt like me going by myself anyway. I eventually went back out,but this time i brought any food i could fit in my pockets cookies,bacon strips and biscuits,candy bars a can of spaghettios and 2 old 'C rations' dated 1943..yeah those i wouldnt be eating..they were for any potential cannibal skiers who might try to eat me..i would hit them with the spaghettios and c rations and as they fell upon the canned salvation like insane ravenous wolves i would escape on my skis putting enough distance between me and them so i could get to my aunts house before they catch me!..i know,over active imagination,But i was 9 and not overly bright or level minded

@rambosnake666 4 дня назад

Thank You

@dougdillon1271 4 дня назад

This is a great channel! Thank you for these stories!

@phoebehill953 4 дня назад

A person who has suffered extreme hunger and/or extreme thirst can understand the desperation it can engender. A person can do something he would never think possible. However, drawing straws because of some tummy rumbling - that’s reprehensible!

@getoffenit7827 4 дня назад

Ive read a few books and watched a few documentaries about the Donner Party...Louis and Salvador are usually described as little more than guides or food and not much about where they came from. As a kid i used to wonder where their names came from,Did they have native american names? How did they get spanish names? Now i know they likely did have names their parents gave them. Thank you for more background on Louis and Salvador

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

They did have Miwok names. There is speculation but Salvador may have been born Queyuen and Luis had been born Eema. They were renamed by Spanish missionaries in California.

@calvinaffinito8761 4 дня назад

The father telling his daughters to eat him when he passed is so sad

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Right. If you take the time to really imagine yourself in a situation like that, it is just heart wrenching.

@Kaiyanwang82 4 дня назад

So... Wendigos are a thing.

@patrickmunneke8348 4 дня назад

Yes

@melissapinol7279 День назад

I would say as a folklore student that Wendigos are a mythical explanation for human behavior in dire circumstances, but I am a spiritual person too...

@Royalmerc 9 часов назад

I knew it was the Donner party when you said "the Serria Navada". Great storytelling, I enjoy your videos.

@CarsonHassler 4 дня назад

This channel needs more subscribers!!

@datesanddeadguys 3 дня назад

I appreciate that. Thank you.

@DougieBee 3 дня назад

When you said, “Truckee Lake”, I knew for sure this was the Donner Party.

@datesanddeadguys 3 дня назад

I was banking on a lot of folks just knowing it as Donner Lake. It has been fun reading what people picked up on.

@NitroBoarder17 5 часов назад

awesome intro, absolutely hooked me!

@FrankyBlack 3 дня назад

Yeesh man... brutal.. the things people went through back in the day. We are SO lucky to have huge amounts of food always close by and civilization. Gripping story bro as always. Salute.

@OrbGoblin 4 дня назад

That's pretty ballsy suggesting to pull straws and then backing out when you bite on draw 1.

@LibertyDankmeme 4 дня назад

the good Lord has a sense of humor that way

@Shaw.77 2 дня назад

That was great. You do a fine job. Keep up the good work.

@TootFlute 4 дня назад

Worst case of karma in human history.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Really an ending that puts it all in perspective.

@henryanona1640 4 дня назад

I did not realize it at first but shortly into the flashback I started to suspect

@charlenestrauss3539 4 дня назад

I've heard some of the story before, but not all this detail. Heartbreaking.

@andykerr3803 4 дня назад

Well done 👍 Enjoyed my pasta, rice and quinoa... Spent a lot of time in Quebec's northern winters, sometimes in isolation. The conditions are far more severe than Northern California, even at 7000' elevation. Lots of city dwellers would visit on weekends, amazing how fast they do panic when lost, cold and hungry. Biggest threat for sure 👍

@chillislives 4 дня назад

I knew it was the Donner party story with the thumbnail. Or, the rescue effort part of their story.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

I am really curious how many people figure it out before the reveal.

@haroldhahn7044 3 дня назад

When you gave the date, at the beginning, of 1848, I knew who you were talking about. The Donner party was very late in the season, and made a camp in the mountain pass when they should have all run the last 100 miles.

@carolescutt2257 4 дня назад

Woah so looking forward to seeing this xx

@carolescutt2257 4 дня назад

I find your presentation style so engaging and like 'talking to a friend' as you intended :0] I'm from South West England. Can I ask if this is a profession or just a hobby ? Very grateful for your channel x

@datesanddeadguys 3 дня назад

@carolescutt2257 Like anyone else doing this kind of stuff, the goal would be to turn it into a career. The channel is growing so we will see. But it’s a hobby. During the day I am a school teacher.

@LibertyDankmeme 4 дня назад

another banger story - i love these - you should have 40 million subs in my humble opinion

@datesanddeadguys 3 дня назад

I wouldn’t want to be selfish. I would settle for 20 million.

@andrewmaccallum2367 4 дня назад

Such an excellent channel 👏👏👏

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Thank you very much!

@andrewmaccallum2367 4 дня назад

@@datesanddeadguys You're very welcome indeed. Keep up your great work 👍

@justinwynn7946 3 дня назад

Hey bud. Love your success so far! Keep going forward. Just a matter of time before you really blow up. Great storytelling and really great edits and narrative stops. Good timing, I guess is what I'm trying to say. You're the only channel I constantly check in with. Wish there were more like you. Can I make a request? My wife and I love the story of the boy trying to kidnap the girl he "loves" (I don't want to look up the actual name) it's sweet. It's funny. It's perfect. Few more of those would go a long way with both of us. Anyway. Great work. Keep it up

@tablestirne9879 4 дня назад

Thats why if you play the computer game Oregon Trail - You Always Choose to get to Willamette Valley First Before Heading To Sacramento 😊😊😊 TO AVOID THE ICY DEATH OF SIERRA NEVADAS 🥶🥶🥶

@datesanddeadguys 3 дня назад

I don’t think I ever made it that war in the game. I was big on risking everything by wading across the rivers.

@tablestirne9879 3 дня назад

@@datesanddeadguys yowzas, my biggest worries was snake bite in my team and illness - now those on the oregon trail game was the biggest threat, kinda historically accurate too

@hunterlittle3843 4 дня назад

Keep it up!

@daviddavis7136 4 дня назад

wow never heard that one, great job brother, you have a gift

@whocares502 2 дня назад

Sometimes the best meals are the friends we make along the way

@tylerthompson1842 4 дня назад

It’s stories like the Donner party, and many others that you’ve told on this channel that are the reason I don’t understand why Hollywood ever resorts to cheesy nonfiction. Things that happened throughout history are far scarier than anything anyone could come up with. This was even a PG13 telling of it. I think when the rescue party first arrive back at the camp they saw one of the men carrying a human leg. We no nothing of what true suffering is.

@1966Heath 2 дня назад

Man, what a bleak, fascinating story. I almost hate to say it but this would make a great horror film.

@worldobserver3515 4 дня назад

Hell of a situation to be in.

@BladesRKing 4 дня назад

Great video and story as usual! Kinda thought it had something to do with the Donner Party as soon as you referred to the Sierra Nevadas.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

That seems to be the tell for most folks. I will have to find a move clever way to keep things a mystery next time.

@andreweden9405 4 дня назад

I knew that you were referencing the two Indian scouts, Luis and Salvador, just from seeing your thumbnail, before I even clicked on the video.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

That's pretty cool. I wonder how many folks thought of that too.

@DM-wu5hn 4 дня назад

The paintings are spectacular.

@TheWoodlandCreature369 4 дня назад

Really dig your channel 😊 you have a nack for storytelling.

@bettianngold6407 3 дня назад

I figured it was a branch off of the Donner party when you said that there was a man from Vermont snowshoes and they had to get away from the lake

@Ben-xf7uy День назад

Love these stories. You should check out Union general Lawrence Chamberlain and the battle of Round Top at Gettysburg. It has to be one of the greatest stories of any leader. Would be awesome to hear some civil war stories or maybe some Mountain men? Jim 'Bloody Arm' Beckworth could be great, pretty sure he even became a Crow chief and tracker for the military

@Doc_Holiday 4 дня назад

I had forgotten most of the details from when I read about the Donner party in school over 50 years ago in school .Maybe I blocked it out lol . Good job very informative informative I don't know why this came across my home screen but I'm glad it did and I look forward to more stories in the future period subscribed * I'm sure they didn't teach us the part about the settlers murdering the two natives In Cold Blood so that they could eat them in school *I knew it was the Donner party early on when you mentioned the Sierra Nevada mountains, I grew up in Sacramento and raised my kids in the Auburn California area

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

Sounds like those who are familar with the story are pretty sure once you get to the California Trail and the Sierra Nevadas. Thanks for watching and I hope you like what is coming.

@harrietyounger6118 2 дня назад

You are protecting your children. I am a living orphan meaning the relationship is dead but my parents are alive. I don't have kids but I have people in my life who would absolutely love my children and would take the role of grandparents. Healthy grandparents. If you have gone no contact it usually isn't your choice. Usually you have been forced to choose between people who hate you and loving yourself. You can't have both if you could you would but it takes two to make a relationship work.(in my case I have had to choose between life and death due to mental illness) You have broken the cycle for your kids you have only denied them abusive relationships xxx

@fanelemabaso2514 4 дня назад

What the heck. The ending is shocking😮

@geneotrexler8246 4 дня назад

Good video 👍 The beginning reeled me in and the mention of Sierra Nevada in 1846 said cannibal.🍗🍗

@WeerdWulf 4 дня назад

From the Dutch 'verloren hoop' literally 'lost heap'. The term was first used in English in the 1500s when speakers misheard the phrase as 'forlorn hope'. The first mention in the OED was in 1539 taken from the writing of Cuthbert Tunstall, bishop of Durham

@adamcortlandt7121 4 дня назад

I love your channel, I'm so glad I stumbled upon it. Your voice and delivery are awesome. The stories are amazing and you are a great story teller!. However I have to mention that your audio sucks. It sounds like you recorded it the bathroom or something. It would really be worth it to invest in a good microphone or process the audio to improve the sound. Once again, great channel. Thank you for your hard work.

@MrRee-sr3sl 4 дня назад

Doesn't sound like a fun party at all...

@DaniG._.German 4 дня назад

Is there a video about the Donner Party?

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

👀

@ibestrokin 4 дня назад

@@datesanddeadguyslol the old adage of hidden in plain sight 👁🔎

@JaMeshuggah 4 дня назад

I knew it was the Donner party once you said Salvador and Louis

@tomr1630 4 дня назад

I knew by the title, The Forlorn Hope.

@Sandbarfight 4 дня назад

Well alright alright 👌

@tomjones8235 4 дня назад

I didn't realize that you were telling the Donner story until you revealed it. I did, however, think that the story you told was remarkably similar to the Donner story. The American Experience has an episode on the Donner party. It told the story of the relief party differently. I may be recalling it incorrectly, but I think in the American Experience's telling only one person made started out on the journey out of the wilderness.

@russellbates2125 4 дня назад

Just got high . This is perfect timing

@dwainseppala4469 21 час назад

“Bad luck and winter weather…”. The bad luck: Paiutes raided the Donner party twice as they crossed northern Nevada (not then a state). The Paiutes took most of their cattle. The question: Did those in the Donner party with remaining cattle share their cattle with those who lost cattle? Or did they threaten the starving people with violence should they touch the remaining cattle? I’ve read 70% of the party survived and made it to California in the Spring. Did the survivors enter California with cattle? Bad luck, or just bad people? You see, the story of the Donner party becomes a hoax because of the evil involved, the evil taking place long before the cannibalism.

@zeljkomikulicic4378 4 дня назад

What a horrible story. They have to eat human flesh! Without salt, ketchup 😮

@Garbagefly 4 дня назад

Feel a little guilty watching this while smashing some Lou Malnatis pizza

@DougieBee 3 дня назад

😂

@DreadMaximus 4 дня назад

I see, I click

@matthewpapillion8445 4 дня назад

Please fix the audio. Great story as always but if you improve the audio, the experience would be much better for your followers.

@reycesarcarino4653 4 часа назад

Just like Ravenous

@gullibleskeptic82 4 дня назад

Well, it's time for lunch.

@franarmstrong8111 4 дня назад

Was this Donner’s party

@JohnMinehan-lx9ts День назад

Don't eat your guides . . . .

@MDLC777 4 дня назад

Heart wrenching story. It was murder to kill both natives (he should have waited until they died) unless a person is an athiest and only believes in the survival of the fittest; and has their conscienced seared, therr is no hessitation. Though in hunger and going crazy from maltutrition, who knows what people are capable of doing for the love of others.

@harrietyounger6118 2 дня назад

If someone starves to death don't eat them because they will have no body fat therefore you are just eating someone which is horrific and there is no benefit to it. I'm not suggesting eating people but if you ever find yourself in a situation where your survival may be at stake don't eat someone who starved.

@christophersmith7714 4 дня назад

Karma!

@chillislives 4 дня назад

My favorite book is Death Valley in '49 by William Lewis Manly. People don't know US history that well. Guessing that schools don't even teach it anymore in favor of other topics of study that don't allow the lessons of the past to guide the future. Do you have any good and honest books that detail the Mormon history? Brigham Young, making sure anybody from Missouri would not make it to California, honest.

@datesanddeadguys 4 дня назад

I don’t have a book recommendation but Professor Greg Jackson has a good podcast called “history that doesn’t suck.” He has an episode about the Mormon Trail and their push to the west from a few years back. It is episode 32.

@frenchroast1355 4 дня назад

They had firearms but came across no game to hunt?

@marioamayaflamenco 3 дня назад

It's hard to follow the story. It's as if there is music playing simultaneously along with it.

@BubbyPlaisan 4 дня назад

Hey what was that dudes name? Mac.. ohhh McRib just need the buns now. We got buns bro

@bogdanvlad9165 3 дня назад

Drop the stupid titles please, you're better than this "will haunt you" ....

@BuddyThePyro 4 дня назад

Yum yum Donner party vittles.

@manofmanytalentsfawazakkar4068 9 часов назад

Bro no offence at all. But use a voice over for a more deep masculine clear voice. It will intrigue your listeners much more. Intensify the story. I lost interest many times.

@secondcomingofziggle 2 дня назад

I like your relatively conservative, yet fair look at these brutal stories. I'm generally 'liberal'', but I'm so sick of artificial woke affectation, you tell the story with a solid foundation ins spite of all the political haze, and you succeed well, because you are an honest story teller.

@secondcomingofziggle 2 дня назад

Sutter's Fort wasn't the first "European" settlement yo. Surely you can differentiate between Spanish Euto and Anglo-Euro. I hate to be touchy, but Spanish California is such an interesting and surprisingly old story. And, they lost it fairly, and we won it fairly. You don't have to tread on PC baloney, you should do an episode on it. If you aren't the source that made me familiar with it in the first place, that is.