What They Don't Tell You About Celestial Archons - D&D 

Archons in particular (especially hound archons) fall more than any other celestial. Sometimes their sense of justice gets a little too... intense and they become like *those* paladins.

@@daviddaugherty2816 Do they actually fall more often or is it just that we know more about fallen archons than other types of celestial?

If the only thing your DM has you do, is combat, then that DM needs to hang up their dice because they're complete failures.

@@GrymmSoul I’ll preface this by saying I run games and try to run plenty of non combat stuff. With that said some peeps really just prefer the combat in dnd and it’s perfectly valid.

I actually run games ov Evil aligned players fairly often. Gets busy being the good guys all the time

and then someone harvests all that juicy power....

@@TauShasla That part sounds suspicious to me.

@@TauShasla Pretty sure Celestia isn't a Gith cult

I'd like to know if there's a correlation between the layers of the mountain and the stages of an Archon's evolution.

"Yo there's no way theres a dude up here, I PUT THIS MOUNTAIN HERE LIKE 10239213213 YEARS AGO? GET DOWN FROM THERE" -a God "nuh uh" -you "F-CK U MEAN NUH UH"- same God

Well, sort of. They don't *want* to be in pain (I don't think). A lot of mortals think Hell is just like our world but slightly hotter and spikier. They don't think *they're* gonna turn into slime monsters. They just want the unlimited tyrannical power and that most closely aligns with Hell.

Imo the closest thing to hell (pit of punishment for the souls) are the wall of Kelemvor's castle.

@@elegantoddity8609 I mean Hell is probably a good afterlife if you really enjoy climbing the ladder of power and kicking other people down that ladder.

@@InquisitorThomas Probably, if you manage to skip the stage where you have no mouth but must scream and lose all your personality and are picked for promotion at complete random.

@@elegantoddity8609 There is a difference between petitioners who got there because they served their infernal lords well, and those poor souls who gone their because they failed their goody-goodly deity.

Make Avacyn in Grim Hollow. Break D&D.

@@TheBayzent which book is that in?

@@sebastiancollins01 Avacyn is an angel character from MTG, specifically from the plane known as Innistrad.

@@LordOfDarkness8296 I see. Looks like I have some homework. Thanks.

@@sebastiancollins01 her story didn't end well

Fun fact: no one knows what's on Chronia, the top layer of Mount Celestia because no one and nothing accept Zaphkiel has ever returned from there and he's not telling.

@@daviddaugherty2816 It's where Half Life 3 resides

David Daugherty dude i cant wait for the video when he talks about the layers.

@@trappyboi8678 It’s too perfect for mortal eyes

@@daviddaugherty2816 This reminded me of Getting Over It since the only way to see the true ending at the top of the map is to play it yourself.

And many people don't know how to side steep jump glitch their way pass the fourth level.

I was going to say "Breath of the Wild", but that works too

@@Geraduss that's what celestial horses are for

ANGELS (Any Good; all Upper Planes) ARCHONS (Lawful Good; Mount Celestia) ELADRIN (not the stupid extra-Fey elves, the REAL eladrin they deleted in 4e/5e; Chaotic Good; Arborea) GUARDINALS (Neutral Good; Elysium) MODRONS (Lawful Neutral; Mechanus; could also count INEVITABLES; and also FORMIANS in Arcadia) SLAAD (Chaotic Neutral; Limbo) RILMANI (Neutral; The Outlands) DEVILS (Lawful Evil; Baator aka the Nine Hells) DEMONS (Chaotic Evil; The Abyss; also the OBYRITHS) YUGOLOTHS (Neutral Evil; aka DAEMONS) DEMODANDS (Chaotic Evil mostly; Carceri; aka GEHRELETHS) There you have it.

I'm a cat person and thinking very hard right now where would they go... :D My first answer would be chaotic goodish, because they can be loving and an asshole at the same time :) (But probably they go wherever they want to go. They are cats.)

Don't good alligned creatures go to the beastlands though?

Pretty much all outsiders are that way.

@@marmyeater In what regard? Branching evolutionary paths, I assume you mean?

Or every animal we know about but yeah, Pokemon too 😂

“You’re a bard, so the answer is probably yes.” 🤣

That would be awesome! Have the BBEG TPK the party only for them to come back as archons to level the playing field. That would be a great plot twist.

@@TheWickedSir Just remember it'd probably take a long time to come back, unless they get a special deal to start off way ahead than normal souls.

@@nuppetgemino1451 that’s the pressure the party needs. Every moment they spend during their trials, the BBEG is one step closer to world domination.

climbing the mountain is a campaign unto itself. the path up can even vary depending on what "path" and the sacrifice you take to start it. the good news is that you can follow another even though you get none of the benefits of he path (usually an increase in an ability)

Dude. Its a rpg. You can do whatever you want.

The Archedevil of the First Level of the Nine Hells is a Fallen Angel called Zariel. There is a decent amount of information on her. They CAN return to the Upper Planes, but they have to stop being Evil first. Many Archedevils either are or were suspected of being fallen Archons.

It means that adamantine weapons and non-magical weapons ignore the weapon resistance. Adamantine, meaning adamantine or other super-metal (like Meteorite Iron), is treated as magical for the purposes of defense bypassing. It's bad wording from a very old edition origin (late 1st Ed and all of 2nd Ed). Some magic-hating AD&D heroes used adamantine weapons and weapons infused with other materials to fight enemies that normally cannot be hit by nonmagical weapons. The scripts (words, texts) have been cut-n-paste out of context for decades and it got confusing.

@@That80sGuy1972 OK, but what about the immunity, then? What's the purpose of the damage resistance when the immunity accomplishes the same thing, only better?

I think it was a typo, it probably means resistance to adamantine weapons that aren't magic, and immunity against weapons that are neither magic nor adamantine at least that's what I think

@@Harrowed2TheMind Often immunity applies only to a certain + and immunity is sometimes situational. Also, sometimes the word "immunity" is redundantly applied, meaning weapons that don't do damage after the weapon resistance is applied. I haven't read the current entry on that one but the newest one might make weapon resistance redundant by adding immunities, AD&D started getting progressively wonkier after 2nd Ed. It could even be a typo or a misread of an older version, so same problem, different manifestation. I just read Gabriel Barbosa's comment and I think Gabriel nailed (or at least as close to nailing as one can) this one.

Good luck my dude!

@@Gildorify Ay thanks so much! I've got a LOT to learn haha

Looked up your channel, real quick. Good stuff. I can definitely feel the inspiration in the video editing style. You have a pretty soothing voice and narration, when compared with MrRhexx's enthusiasm, that being said.

@@Harrowed2TheMind I kinda like the enthusiasm... It grips the attention.

@@nxtsoaveragejoe6644 Agreed.

didn't Mr Rhexx make a video on Asmodeus's origins though? still, this is a very interesting idea.

@@christopherbravo1813 i dont know that anything in that video necessarily contradicts this (very interesting) theory. Rhexx's video basically said 'we dont know' if you wanted to sum it up to 3 words

@@IzoniovKelestryn you must be referring to a very different video then.

@@christopherbravo1813 referencing what? The whole thing was about how not even the gods know where he came from. Being essentially the god of lies, everything about him is manipulation and a lie. It states that theres 3 consistencies across all stories that are probably true, one of them being that his origins are on mount celestia and that the gods assigned him down there to manage the blood war. He was manipulating them, in order to get his own plane, but the move was mutual on the part of both parties. We know hes not quite a god. But not a devil or demon. Maybe hes some weird form of archon

@@IzoniovKelestryn I don't recall what the source is, but I do know that according to it Asmodeus is one of the original creators of the Dungeons and Dragons reality.

Damn shame they had to go biting each others tails and all that lol

@@dungeonguide6015 It really put a damper on the relationship.

It’s both. D&D has treated the Outer Planes as both.

For the first question, yes. For the second, they have their own divine domains, independent of the archfiends. For example, Tiamat has her citadel on Avernus, the first layer of Baator (guarding the entrance of Dis like an especially badass Cerberus). Meanwhile, Zariel rules the whole layer.

Sometimes they do. They can defy the law chaos rules generally but as a rule good gods won't be on evil planes and vice versa. A chaotic evil god might also live in Pandemonium or Carceri, two planes that are chaos and evil aligned in different directions. And if they do they might not want anything to do with the demons. In general they're weaker. Like a step below demigod status. But they're more "unique" than deities and have their own special strengths. Primarily they aren't reliant on mortal worship to live, as gods normally are, but also can't grant divine spells (they either get a god friend to do it for them or serve as a kind of symbol by which a mortal harnesses the power of their plane. And specific planar rulers have special advantages, like Demogorgon's power to command nearly all demons.

Most of the evil deities reside in the evil-aligned planes (there are one or two than live in neutral or even good-aligned planes, but those are exceptions) but most evil aligned planes do not belong to the Devils or the Demons. Exceptions exist- Asmodeus is a Lawful Evil God, and he rules over the Nine Hells. Tiamat is a Lawful Evil god as well and also resides in the Nine Hells, albeit as more of a hostage. Lolth is both a Demon Lord and an evil goddess and lives in the Abyss. Demogorgon is also a lesser deity. Generally the other evil gods live in other evil planes like Gehenna, Acheron, Carceri, Pandemonium or Hades (guess who the top god of THAT plane is?), simply because they don't feel like competing with Devils or Demons, though they may have allies among such ranks (Hextor, the Lawful Evil Greyhawk god that lives in Archeron- the plane of LE / LN- , is allied to the Devils for instance).

Khelben?

@@marmyeater hmm, i don't think that's it, but idk. I feel like i'd know it if i heard it though. In 3.5 when they still had epic levels the dude was a level 30 wizard and could use 10th level spells. All i really remember lore wise is some kind of wizard's council that basically ruled waterdeep or maybe all of faerun and him being the head of it. Like i said, very very long time since he's come up in conversation.

That's never brought up, oddly enough. Maybe try firsthand study?

@@daviddaugherty2816 It was brought up in the Devils vid. Advancing to a form that has a dick is apparently a huge driving factor.

Imagine the frustration of the gods know that demons treathen the even balance of death, killing inocent and good people only to be sended to the abyss and couldn't do anything about it

Except the gods are too powerful to be evicted, and most archons are too wise to try something that would jeopardize the side of good as much as succeeding at evicting good gods from their place of power.

Well, the Pact Primeval only refers to the Blood War, which in 5e is only really confined to the Lower Planes, not the entire multiverse as it was in Planescape. Thus, there isn't as much incentive to directly intervene. The Pact Primeval doesn't prevent celestials from fighting other evil in the rest of the cosmos, and doesn't stop them from combatting devils trying to corrupt mortal souls. If devils can exploit that part of the Pact's clause, so can celestials. I imagine angels can and do go after fiends that bring the Blood War *outside* of the Lower Planes, and act through proxies or find a way to be summoned if it's in the Material. That being said, you definitely have an interesting idea going there. That's at least a viewpoint that Zariel had, and probably wasn't the only one. And since 5e has a depressingly low amount of lore for celestials and other Good-aligned entities it really does give the impression that cosmic Good does fuck all to do anything. Which is something I fault to the writers, but at least it's a viewpoint that can be exploited in-setting for plot hooks.

It’s a lot of good stuff. He’s enthusiastic in explaining the lore and has good production values. It’s inspiring to listen to in the background while writing.

Me too! I'm going all 5e Planescape.

We rogues are allowed to do whatever we can get away with. As for that little tidbit, there's contradictory lore. According to the Planes of Law collection for Planescape, that's actually not the case. Planar travelers need to purify themselves, too. That's why it's so hard to get around that plane. Bahamut's domain actually crosses the first 3 layers, so he offers it as a sort of shortcut/back door for worthy enough causes.

I feel they would, but as a new body and form, they start following and therefore changing to the new identity as a dead person to a holy soul*, that is existence. As for the trumpet archons helping people, it more like a defying fate and nature which would be against law and then the political god ramifications

1. Sort of. They have a vague memories and awareness of their prior state as mortals. And certain traits might stick around (knowledge of how to make fires or higher levels of intelligence). It's things like the devilish lemures who get torture mind-wiped. 2. As much as they appreciate that, that is something of an untenable philosophy. Being understanding and all that, there are many roles for beings like that among them though. Healers, loremasters, diviners. There are also ways to incapacitate without harming anyone, so you could also study that. You don't *have* to take promotions when offered as well. 3. Trumpet archons are held in reverence the same way a lot of Americans view the troops. Because unlike those who die on the plane, who get absorbed (which is technically desired) they risk actual proper death. But them being "most good" is very debatable. One might say that the throne archons who have to make the heavy decisions have the hardest time. Or it's the wardens who keep eternal vigilance over the place. It's very much a matter of opinion.

According to Planescape: If you're did NOT faithfully serve a diety in life, your memories gets deleted in the afterlife through the Astral Sea and then you get sent to the plane that best fits your alignment If you had faithfully served a diety in life, your soul will to to their plane with all of your memories in life

As long as they are genuinely trying to improve themselves, they are welcomed inside of Mount Celestia.

They would be allowed to, at least fiends. Climbing celestial as a devil that is a fallen angel is a way to return to angelic status