@@billmullins6833 if it helps you, I was referring to laws that clearly pave the way for abuse. Some laws are clearly written and don’t leave many grey areas, some do not. You are correct, all can be abused, but some much more so than others. Please don’t be difficult.
@@escapedfromnewyork Every society needs people to uphold the law and to take criminals into custody for the safety of the citizenry. That is pretty much common sense. That being said, the people chosen to do this important work must be, among other things, of good moral character and sound mind. I do agree that this guy should not be a law enforcement officer.
@1bornsurvivor This is false. There have been societies that didn't use a police force, and society functioned just fine. Look to Norse societies. Banishment, outlawing people who can't behave, has proven to be effective means of "policing" behavior. The issue is that any police force that follows the current model of policing, will inevitably become corrupt and the officers will violate the rights of the people. The police we have now are just a gang that the law only halfway applies to. In short, they're thugs with immunity and they know it. The police do not prioritize de-escalation of potentially violent situations, they don't use discretion, and standard operating procedure is to violate the rights of the citizenry, hope they don't know any better, and cover for each other when they do. All police forces in the US are encouraged to act this way, to ensure the private prisons stay at 90%+ capacity. That's why the drug war stays raging. That's why the IRS needs all those new people. That's why they make laws that violate your rights, because to them you don't have rights and you never did.
She was kidnapped; that's the worst part. The authorities haven't even stated what this is called; they are downplaying it while acknowledging she is a victim. If you or I did this it would be kidnapping with all sorts of other stuff added on.
They need to make enough time, so it’s not “a Pennsylvania State trooper, kidnapped somebody.” Then it can become “a former Pennsylvania State trooper kidnapped somebody.” Most of the people in the legal system are normie conformies who are are really concerned about saving face.
The man just standing there hearing that he's her ex and doing nothing tells me he would do it to his girlfriend too, so BOTH should be charged and jailed.
That little officer guy was a hero. So stunning and brave. He barely won the physical altercation with that gigantic beast of a girl. I’m so glad he didn’t give up when it was obvious he was totally outmatched by her immense size, strength, and fighting prowess.
Yeah. I agree, he needs to simply go away. I _am_ really impressed she tried to fight back, though. But the physical disparity and obvious difference in experience level--he's gonna be far more experienced in using force than she is, and it shows--meant she tried to use power against power, and she lost. That elbow just wasn't gonna have anywhere near enough force to do anything--not that a man in a similar situation would've done any better. That positioning prevents there being enough mass behind the strike to make it effective, and the upper back and shoulders are just not a good place to strike in the first place. Too much muscle and bone and not enough nerve bundles to make it hurt the way you'd need it to hurt to break a grapple like that.
@@jamiebell2164its a growing list. Those who would choose SAFETY over liberty deserve neither and will lose both. “SAFETY “ is being run into the ground. Saw that comin too
Collateral damage. What’s worse? Innocents being shot into hamburger at the Walmart or an occasional misuse of the red flag law? Well? You know the answer.
Absolutely! I just went through this with a relative in Pennsylvania and found out the social worker applied to the county for involuntary commitment, over the phone and the warrant issued to police to deny someone their liberty and right of self determination, was signed, not by a judge, but by a county delegate... And of course, not a single doctor or hospital administrator would claim that he was in their custody, making them responsible for him, but still said that he was not free to leave if he wished. I started talking about medical trafficking and they hung up on me.
Collateral damage. What’s worse? Innocents being shot into hamburger at the Walmart or an occasional misuse of the red flag law? Well? You know the answer.
Hood the doctors criminally liable for doing their job and doing it correctly. The doctors released her. They were told she was crazy and such so they did what they're supposed to do and after speaking with her and such during the 72hour hold they learned she wasn't crazy and learned what took place and released her. Had they just let her go and not followed the 72hr hold and the person killed themselves or someone else the doctor could be held liable.
This also highlights the insane power weilded by the medical industry, and their lack of accountability, and how as an agent of the state, they can and will violate your rights. This flies in the face of "trust the doctors" in another context as well, coof. She should sue the hospital, as well as the police.
Happened to me with my ex. She filed a protective order, had to turn my guns in or become a felon. I lost my second amendment rights before I had any chance to defend myself or tell my side of the story. Luckily the judge didn’t see it the same way as her.
@@ezlomacks6533 Go ahead and stop paying taxes and see what happens. The seditious government has control of our accounts and would love to take your property and sell it to Black Rock for pennies on the dollar. The government extracts taxes from all of us at gunpoint whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not
its because we allow them to be by not fighting back physically like the second amendment intends cause tyrants dont care or stop unless made to by force as shown by the past over a century now that we've been trying peaceful means and get nowhere but more and more "laws" enforced on us as if theyre real anyway and its "laws"* not actual laws cause of the second amendment
@@cliffmorgan31 but its because we allow it to happen cause we dont fight back physically like the second amendment intends cause tyrants dont care or stop unless made to by force like the second amendment intends as shown by the past over a century now that we've been trying peaceful means and get nowhere but more and more "laws" enforced on us as if theyre real anyway also all red flag "laws" are abuse if power anyway and arent even actual laws to begin with cause of the second amendment but like i said they get enforced as if theyre real anyway cause we dont fight back physically like the second amendment intends which is all that will stop them cause they dont care or stop otherwise
Cops kidnap people all the time with no consequences. Qualified immunity and settlements paid with tax dollars protect the blue-line criminal organization.
@@freedustinnot necessarily. a monetary settlement would be to settle a civil case that she brings against the county or the state. none of that would preclude the guy from being individually criminally prosecuted.
And with the understanding - he may Never Understand why his actions were wrong. This does happen - I don't know if people are detained forever if this is the case.
History repeats itself with Red Flag laws. As a young Deputy in Knox County Tennessee, circa 1981, there was a thing called a Peace Warrant you could swear out in front of a Judge basically stating someone has been harassing or threatening you. So, to keep the "Peace" the Warrant was served and they went to Jail and posted a $200 bail bond. It was not a surprise that they were eventually found unconstitutional.
Perhaps the creepiest part of this total violation of the girl’s civil rights is the assertion that she was a “tenant of his, living in a trailer on his property”. Given the facts presented, it seems entirely likely that this Pennsylvania State Trooper may have held the threat of eviction over her head in order to control her for convenient sex. If this poor excuse of a man IS married, now his wife can torture HIM, in divorce court. 👍🏼
According to some stories I can find he definitely is (or was) married, and yes, he did exert control by turning off the power numerous times, locking her out of the trailer, hiding her personal belongings, etc. A real scumbag.
With any luck,,,,his wife will take the dirtbag for everything he's worth,leaving him on the streets hopefully in a dilapidated part of town with an extremely high bridge!
This is a perfect example of everything wrong with so-called law enforcement at every level all over the nation. There can't honestly be accountability when they only answer to themselves.
@@WhiteWolfos Exactly. There would have to be a department not under the influence of the government at all but composed of and working for the people only. Anything else is the literal definition of conflict of interest.
@reverendmorgano9659 "composed of and working for the people only" that's what government, especially local government, is SUPPOSED TO BE. We don't need more agencies, we need to prevent people from being "career politicians."
That guy needs to be taken to court in a civil lawsuit and his own department needs to investigate him for his wrong doing. Those who use these new screwed up laws to their benefit to punish an innocent individual need to spend time behind bars. Him getting physical with her like that should allow her to sue him for everything he has.
These red flag "laws" can, too easily, be a tool for persons with nefarious intentions. A person can't lose his right to due process because of a "he said/she said" scenario.
I think the government knew that when they created the law. They're fully aware that it will be abused. It's just a way for them to make life harder for gun owners.
No"can"about it! It has, and will, be used for"nefarious(spiteful and vindictive)purposes"! This"cop"using the"red flag"laws to victimize his ex is just one of the latest examples.
@rongerderer9088 it happened to me. My ex wanted a divorce and had an ex parte hearing making up claims of abuse and I had my guns and rights restricted for a year. I had 6 cops show up to my house and forcing their way in to collect my guns. Thankfully the cops were cool and saw that it was all bullshit but they had a job to do. There is absolutely no due process in these laws and how they are executed. Jus look up how easy it is to get a protection order in Washington state. Thankfully it got all overturned when I appealed and removed from my civil record.
Never allow the government the ability to do something to someone that you wouldn't want done to you. Because eventually the case law and legal precedents gained by having things done to people you don't care about will eventually be weaponozed against you. Once that happens you will have no leg to stand on.
Since the dawn of time manipulative people have been weaponizing the system against their victims. When I was a kid, we had a neighbor who abused his wife. On two occasions she fought back more than what he would accept. In both instances, he told the police she was crazy and they took her to the state mental hospital. Both times they were able to determine that there was nothing wrong with her. There were no consequences for his actions.
Trooper Ronald K. Davis exemplifies our worst fears concerning Red Flag Laws and involuntary commitment authority, in action. Thank you, Mr. Kirk, for bringing this very important case to our attention. As usual, your presentation was flawless.
Collateral damage. What’s worse? Innocents being shot into hamburger at the Walmart or an occasional misuse of the red flag law? Well? You know the answer.
She needs payment. You want police protection at the expense of your freedom. Society puts up the funds for this abuse. So society has to pay the victim(s).
Good very good. Once, as an MHMR professional, myself and a co worker went to the Justice of the Peace to secure a commitment warrant. To his credit, he found our investigation and written document deficient, and kindly reminded us that we needed to secure more information before sending someone to a mental hospital 60 miles away, to be transported by police, against his will. I actually forget if we obtained the warrant later, but I recall the JP was correct that we had done a quick and shoddy investigation.
This is why a new shiny law must be passed to charge law enforcement with treason for violating human Constitutional rights. The criminal cabal passed the unconstitutional laws and the criminal law makers must also be held accountable for allowing this criminal behavior by law enforcement agencies.
Already to me 30 yrs ago, my ex wife lied to the court and her lawyer and got me kicked out of the house we shared, they came to my work place and served eviction papers on me and said couldn't go back to the house except with law officer to get me some clothes,when it went to court they learned it was all a lie. But they didn't do anything to her for lieying. That's what kind of courts we have in nc
My brother's Wife reported me to King County trying to get me Red Flagged here in WA. Luckily a friend of mine let me know what was happening and I was able to get in front of this. Basically she screwed up and tried to implicate me in something that was extremely easy to disprove. The Red Flag was not issued and I've cut all contact with him and his wife. She accused me of trying to commit a mass shooting and DV which were completely insane. As I do not post on social media much and have a stellar record it was hard to prove anything. Honestly shocked this state didn't just run with the accusations and take a gun owner down. It was highly stressful especially when I had friends in LE calling me asking me what was going on. I was actually out of town on business at the time too so maybe that helped me. Not everyone is going to be in the same situation, but man was I happy to have worked close to and with government agencies over the years. I cooperated with everyone and answered everyone truthfully. Scary to get a call though when you're 3000 miles from home asking about shootings and what's going on. Nothing like taking a screen shot while on the phone of your GPS location and sending it to people proving you're not even home or close to it haha. People are insane and Red Flag laws are a HORRIFIC violation of your rights. Red Flag laws allows people who are living Red Flags to try and ruin other people's lives...
I am an ER nurse in Pennsylvania. It has been my experience that ER doctors are more worried about liability than over turning a 302 (involuntary mental can health) commitment order. Unfortunately in the county I work in happens more often than you would believe.
That being said… In Allegheny County the 302 is approved by a counselor who does witness statements via phone and approves, disapproves or sends out a mental health team to investigate. Or a 302 is approved by the counselor after the family goes to the ED and the warrant is sent to the police. Third option… Police have the right/ duty to take the patient into custody and petition the 302. Usually, after all that you have read above and without the police petition is done by EMS. I’m a paramedic.
Better hold a person 3 days in observation then release them as not a threat to self or others. But in some states it is very hard to section someone for mental health. Be very careful what you post to texts or social media when upset that can be used against you.
They profit over every single intake as well. I've personally witnessed them lying on intake reports to cover their asses, and a PH.d psychologist went undercover and immediately had intake personel lying about him to get him committed. It's common and widespread with "mental health" "profe💲💲ionals."
I always hope that people who do incredibly evil things to others are allowed to experience the exact abuse they feel empowered to dole out. Prison should give him this opportunity, especially if it's discovered that he was (posing as) a police officer and thinks himself above others and the law.
What can we learn from this situation? That any law that can be abused WILL be abused. Red Flag Laws or ERPO's just scream to be abused. Absolutely unconstitutional and need to be tossed out.
Do something about it. The solution is built into the second amendment itself. A dead cop isn’t capable of taking you or your guns. A dead judge can’t hold you in contempt.
@@wannabecarguy Nothing, but meth and heart disease left in that state. The state oughtta throw that officer in a tar pit and set it ablaze. He looks exactly as I would have expected, a fkin resident of the local Golden Corral. William Fisk in the face.
Collateral damage. What’s worse? Innocents being shot into hamburger at the Walmart or an occasional misuse of the red flag law? Well? You know the answer.
Deficiency? Naw, they working better than intended...because they were just intended to violate the rights of others in the behalf of the government, who knew you could use these to violate the rights of others in behalf of personal vendettas?
Trooper Davis is going to learn what real control is all about during his stint in the fed. pen. And, that poor woman is going to get millions of dollars at the expense of taxpayers, due to his actions.
Superb video, scary how a law enforcement agency lacked the oversight to allow a trooper to commit an illegal act without any supervisor questioning him about the nature of this incident and how he was involved.
Great video, excellent presentation on how "Red Flag Laws" can be abused. I hope the "trooper" is charged with kidnapping, because that is what he did. Very thoughtful to have his crime videotaped. Guess he thought he was going to "get-away-with it" so it did not matter. To watch the video of the trooper makes my blood boil & my skin crawl. I believe that this is the problem with law enforcement today, the trooper is doing "Wrong" and does not even seem to know it. Fortunately, the PUBLIC sees that he is doing "Wrong" and screams out against it.
basically .....a criminal mindset becomes a cop to be a criminal. ...there are many unfit & dangerous officers that "under the cloak" of official color doing sinister activity. ......keep on lowering the standards to issue a badge!!....very scarry!
This issue manifests almost daily in domestic disputes where one party immediately points out that the other possesses firearms ( as Mr. Kirk alluded to) and consequently they are afraid. Those firearms are confiscated with no proof, and often no claim, that those weapons were ever used, or threatened to be used, by the accused. Even when both parties had access to them. Thanks for your content.
Even worse, the Pennsylvania involuntary commitment (302 petition) is not even signed off on by a judge or any judicial officer. It's signed by a county delegate. Pennsylvania doesn't have "red flag laws" because they are not nearly as profitable as the medical human trafficking.
The first red flag that was done ended with a man being shot to death when he refused to give up his firearms. The worst part was it was his own daughter that called the red flag on him. The red flag law has yet to save anyones life and when they have been called on someone in the past to actually stop someone it was ignored for example Uvalde.
Travis Reinking was red-flagged in Illinois in 2017 (actually with good cause - among other things, the Secret Service had arrested him trying to get into the White House). His guns were turned over to his father, Jeff, who later gave them back to his son. His son then used one of them in a mass shooting at a Waffle House in Nashville in 2018. Travis was initially found incompetent to stand trial due to schizophrenia but later went to court and was found guilty on 16 counts of murder and assault with a deadly weapon. His father was recently convicted of illegally transferring the guns. The moral of this story? The guns were not the problem, the crazy person was and should have been involuntarily committed or otherwise made safe. If a person is so much of a danger that they cannot be trusted with a firearm, they cannot be trusted at all to live in society.
This is a good example. Most of the people that I know that have actually lied to get revenge and harm someone are women who are mad at their boyfriend, husband, or ex. Any time anyone loses their right to due process and is presumed guilty and punished without being able to defend themselves, none of us are free citizens. She can sue and should. But a bad policeman was not the only problem. Other police, the people at the court, the people at the mental hospital. No one stopped this.
There needs to be serious penalties for misrepresenting people to involuntarily commit them or deprive them of their rights- years in prison and tens of thousands of dollars in fines.
@@tonyt.1596 umm there are plenty of laws in Washington State against what this guy did. For one: RCW 9A.40.040 "Unlawful Imprisonment" a Class C Felony. Since his warrant isn't valid (obtained via false pretense) there's RCW 10.31.100 "Arrest without warrant" RCW 42.20.040 False report RCW 42.20.070 Misappropriation and falsification of accounts by public officer RCW 42.20.080 Other violations by officers I am certain there are others, but identifying those was all the time I was willing to put into looking ... which was about 3 minutes of time.
@@Sarah-im3lp Can you form any argument but "a bunch of gun fanatics" blah blah. When will you realize if your immediate action is ad hominem attacks you've already lost the argument? I'm guessing you think you're clever and, more laughably, winning.
The young lady is obviously not the mentally ill person in this scenario. The “police” recruit the low IQ and the mentally unstable (sociopath/psychopath) into their ranks. The ancients asked the question: who will police the police? If a reasonable person would have witnessed this “arrest” he/she would reasonably have helped the young lady. This is a very disturbing and prophetic view of our future.
Due process is so important and Red Flag Laws are so dangerous. When someone can take your freedom and/or property for any reason including financial or other gain, you no longer have a functioning judicial system.
From the first time I started hearing about the "Red Flag" laws, I immediately had the same thoughts that someone could be vicious enough to call attention to anyone they wanted to cause a problem and also cause that person to lose their weapon. I have an ex-husband who has shown by things he has done in the past that he would do something like this in a heartbeat if this law was passed in my State.
This was my first thought after hearing this story! My local PD has a policy to destroy confiscated firearms after 6 months, so by the time you go through the legal process, they have been destroyed.
The relationship to Red Flag Laws is one of the first things that came to mind when I first heard of this story. The fact that a single person can create a false report and have someone's rights taken away is very scary. I'm fortunate enough to live in a state without Red Flag laws and if those had existed a few years ago, I know that I would have likely been a victim of that illegal process. My now ex-wife had some real mental health issues herself as she was very controlling, vindictive and violent. I watched her over 3 decades try to destroy the lives of our neighbors, relatives, and friends just because she herself could not control those people. One of her repeatedly used tactics was to contact the employers of those people in order to try to get them fired. Then later during our lengthy divorce proceedings, she tried repeatedly to get me fired from 3 separate jobs. I'm convinced that if Red Flag laws had existed in our state at the time, she would have also used that tactic.
Have you ever heard of a restraining order? All states have them! All it takes to get one be born without male organs, then lie and cry before a judge! No chance for you to Cross examine witnesses! No trial! No evidence just a single judges sympathy! And you get screwed! Next they lie claiming you followed them to the grocery store, or gas station or you called them or you drove by her house. Then you get arrested or shot! Or arrested shot jailed and prosecuted! Loose your guns rights go to prison, loose you children and job and everyone thinks you are a bad guy wife beater! And you did nothing except marry the bitch!
It's the fact we can point to multiple cases of this happening outside of red flag laws and a few involving them, yet those for them will still say you shouldn't have anything to fear if you haven't done anything wrong. Ironically, probably many of the same people for red flag laws will turn right around and talk about police corruption and brutality towards the black community. They'll swear someone didn't have a gun despite video of them shooting at officers, but their neighbor is dangerous because they voted for Trump.
I think I read something once about not being deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law. If only I could remember where I read that.
Medical staff cannot release someone on a commitment. It is a court issue not a medical issue. As a psychiatric nurse, I think that it’s much too easy for “concerned” partners, family members and others who are having disputes to game the system. Hospitals can’t release these people because of how the law is written. They have to wait 72 hours for their hearing to be released.
Thanks, William, for the excellent breakdown of this incident! I'm very pro-law enforcement, but IMHO, there is nothing more contemptible and despicable than a corrupt cop. I hope he gets every bit of the punishment he deserves.
I have heard that here in Florida there were over three hundred incidents where red flag laws, and threats of wrongly using red flag laws were used in active divorce cases, both for leverage and intimidation. By both the spouse and divorce attorneys. You might look into this avenue of second amendment violations .
A court didn't even take action in this case regarding her commitment (commonly referred to as a 302 here in PA). A doctor and a counselor sign off on it. The court doesn't even get involved unless the evaluating facility feels the individual needs to continue commitment longer than 72 hrs. Then it falls under another legal statute 304. Which is heard by a mental health hearing officer (presumably appointed by the state or county as a non-judge official). Some counties a judge does hear the petition and case.
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I lost my job, guns, car, and CCL under Florida's red flag law last year. My county alone has thousands of Risk Protection Order (red flag) cases thanks to the 2018 Stoneman Douglas School Safety Act. They sent me to 72 hours of involuntary mental evaluation where I was stuck with a $5000 hospital bill and missed a week of work. Despite the fact everything in my publicly available RPO report was completely false, the hearing to vacate was a sham because it's all done in civil court, not criminal. I recently got my guns back but the ATF kept the pistol braces that were attached to my mini AR-15 "pistols." I'm a GOA member if that makes any sense at all.
Yes !!! Red flag laws are unconstitutional. Where are the people against this tyranny. Desantis raped and groped numerous underage students . Where is the outrage at that. I loved Desantis until he turned into a coward .
I am 100% pro 2nd, but i honestly just can't understand why an able bodied person needs a pistol brace. If it's that hard to aim/use it, maybe you should just practice more.
That happened in my old neighborhood, the state police are out of control in that county. And nothing is ever done about it. Now is the time to sue them out of business. Period.
The term "pig" was coined for a very real reason. This type of action will become worse. Sooner than later, family, friends, and neighbors will be ratting you out. And with no due process you will be screwed
Yep! Specially since they're trying to make "hoplophobics out of the up and coming kiddos. You're so right it could get worse so we got to push back and use these kinds of incidents to illustrate the abuse these RF laws have on Americans. This guy actually did us a solid videoed and everything, and so they'll be more incidents proving these abuses.
I'm a retired Cop. I absolutely agree with you on this issue. In 30+ years I listened to hundreds of people lying to get some one else in trouble. freedom to respond in court to accusations from someone else is a fundamental right.
I work with a man who found out his wife was cheating on him. Rather than feeling bad for her actions, she decided to drag her husband through the red hot coals known as divorce court. The system is set up in such a way that it is heavily biased against men. On top of that, family court judges are given FAR more power and leeway than in any other court setting. Her accusations alone were deemed sufficient to limit his time with his children to a couple of daytime hours twice per month. That is despite ANY evidence that he had ever abused anyone. She decided to be especially spiteful and claimed that she was afraid for her safety because he had firearms. Again, all she had to do was claim that he threatened to use those firearms to harm her if they ever divorced. Without ANY evidence; other than the claims of a jaded, spiteful, hateful, ex wife, the court had the local police seize all of his firearms and his ability to purchase OR even carry firearms was taken away from him. This man was in his late 40’s when this happened. He was brought up around the outdoors which included hunting and fishing. As a result of just her claims, his favourite passion in life was stripped from him. There were two reasons she did this; she knew it would devastate him, and because she could. Any men considering marriage had better do some serious research before doing it. They need to also remember that not one woman ever told her boyfriend that she would turn on a dime from loving wife to hateful ex and use the system to her advantage to completely ruin him in many various ways; mentally, emotionally, psychologically, and financially.
Starting January 1st in Calif, just the knowledge that a person owns or purchases body armor for self protection, is reason enough to grant a red flag order by the courts! So unconstitutional....
I don’t object to the laws. It just makes their tyranny more blatant. Cop comes to take my guns and it justifies his death and the death of his buddies. I can arrest, or attempt to arrest, them under 18 usc 242 as it’s blatantly unconstitutional. In my state it’s legal to kill in the process of arresting someone if necessary. Cops being cops, it’d definitely be necessary. lol I can do it without hesitation and with absolute confidence.
Keeping in mind Penn. doesn’t even have a “red flag law”. This was just a three day hold, every state has this. The real issue is the ex’parte nature of the order.
Great example of how red flag laws will only be abused. That woman should be made a millionaire for what he did to her and what was allowed by the departments involved.
Thanks for doing this segment, it is sobering to watch and shouldbe presented to ANY jurisdiction looking to enact such laws. This could easily be one of those prime time, Lifetime, Dateline episodes...it ihas all the necessary elements. The victim must have a mile long line of attorneys looking to jump on this. Sue all involved Blind.
It would stop after a couple incidents if people would start fighting back. We greatly outnumber these clowns, it wouldnt take but a couple to get seriously injured to send the message.
That is kidnapping among many other things, she's completely in distress and if she is having mental issues this will not help. I hope he goes to prison or loses his job.
Until EVERYONE comes to realize that law enforcement needs to lose the "blind" qualified immunity blanket that continually keeps them from being held responsible for their actions, nothing will change. They are NOT there to protect you and despise the fact that they are public servents. Agents of the state are what they are and who they truly serve. And themselves, of course. The fact that this POS is probably going to prison, it is a rarity.
its time to sue the hospital the state troopers and the entire government of Pennsylvania all these laws need to be thrown out they are clear violations of our rights
Here is the other sneaky thing in PA. It is already the same as a red flag law. If you are involuntarily committed, you are required to surrender your firearms and it becomes a crime to purchase or own firearms or ammunition. Can you say back door red flag law?
Please keep making great videos like these. Also, please dig into mental health civil commitment matters; I operate in that area and it is strife with constitutional concerns or outright violations. It is nearly completely reliant on law enforcement, mental health workers, and medical professionals opinions and testimony for evidence. If parties or even one party has nefarious intent serious consequences can ensue it is horrendous.
What makes any law enforcement officer qualified to have someone involuntarily committed? Shouldn't that be limited to psychiatrists, psychologists, and MHPs?
It isn't uncommon for police to be the first responders to reports of a suicidal person. If someone is truly suicidal, this is a way to force them into a care facility.
@daddoo5268 I think you've missed my point. I'm questioning the ability of a law enforcement officer to commit someone on their authority alone. What you are describing would be a situation where law enforcement can temporarily detain a person on mental health grounds. That person would then be evaluated by a mental health professional likely at an emergency room. If the person is ultimately involuntarily committed it won't be because of the officers who initially detained the individual. It will be the mental health professional who ultimately signs off the commitment, not the officers. That was not the case in this particular example from this video. The woman was involuntarily committed solely on the law enforcement officers word and authority. I hope I've managed to make the distinction clear for you.
Committed is normally done after the 72 hour custody for psychological evaluation. If found to be “in need” the Dr. Will inform the court and the order will be changed to commit. If finding no need then they are just released by Dr. orders. Not defending the POS one bit and he will pay as well as PA when she sues the crap out of them.
One of the guys in my squad was married to. A Real psycho. She went to a judge in another county and got a restraining order, which required him to surrender all his guns. Of course that was on a Friday. By the time he got served, the court was closed. So, he could not work all weekend, had to hire a lawyer, ect, ect. It took another week to have the order rescinded, and cost him a few thousand. And we don’t even HAVE a red flag law in Arizona.
they are trying to "fight" them in court and i say that in quotes because peaceful means do nothing whatsoever to stop the tyranny as shown by the past over a century now that we've been trying peaceful means and get nowhere but more and more "laws" enforced on us as if theyre real anyway
Happens everyday. . I worked at a detox facility that took mental health crisis also. IVC, involuntary commitment, and most of them were there because a spouse, gf/bf, or family member (who didn't get some of that monthly check) told a lie over the phone. These innocent people would have to wait until the next day to be seen by the Psychiatrist to get orders for discharge. I would text the doctor and let him know we had another guest at "Hotel RI", so he knew to get with us early to see this person. They don't have to stay the whole 72 hrs unless the doctor sees something. Now this is on that person's record. Now they are labeled "mental health" and can't own a gun or is used against him (this happens to males most often)in a custody battle. I understand why IVC exists, the qualifications needed should be cleaned up.
That's why you need to not to defund the police, but to reduce power they have by elevating the evidentiary threshold required for arrests and detention.
