Love your vids boys. I've just turned 60, still got my own hips and knees, just had 1st service on Panigale V4S, lovin' it, lovin' it. For old man comfort I get on the Monster and for old school pain I get on the 996 - what a difference 20 yrs makes. Keep the vids coming.
Recently traded my V4S Panigale for the Streetfighter. They are very different bikes. The Panigale was really just too fast too enjoy on the street. As a sport bike it was very easy to ride, you just can’t appreciate that much power unless you’re at a track. The Streetfighter is in a very different state of tune that allows you to use much more of the engine (I think the punch is still there, just not so in your face), is remarkably comfortable and yet seems to retain all the agility of it’s race focused relative. As a rider who might be lucky enough for a couple of track days a year, the Streetfighter has been a much better choice. Don’t think I’ve loved another bike a much as my Streetfighter. But both are simply amazing however, and it’s hard to beat the beauty of the Panigale.
Lads I'd love to see you guys do a video on what's best for the road when it comes to real world fun bikes... I'll use the Yamahas as an example... is it the "lower" power (with spec'd up suspension etc) MT07... is it the middleweight MT09 or is it the supernaked MT10... which is really most fun in the real world? You could apply the same logic to the KTMs, Triumphs, Kawasakis etc etc
Great comment @NomadLad. So often the focus is 'track, track, track' when you don't fucking well buy a bike for the track but to hoon around on the road, commuting to work, riding around the hills & the odd weekend escape. PS I had the MT07 for three years & it was a rewarding bike. So underrated and more power than you'd expect for a 650/680/700. Respect to you mate.
i would say, some midrange bike like the mt09 or Street Trible, KTM 790 etc. more than enought for the streets and less cheaper than the super naked. I mean yeah the big boys make fun and i enjoy my Super Duke everytime but the brain just hits the emergency switch every time you sit on the bike beside of the effect of the wallet it has.
I won't answer the question but I test ride a lot of bikes, basically every new bike for the last 5 years, and the single main factor for a fun road bike, for me, is power to weight ratio. If you're choosing between 2 bikes, the lighter one is generally more fun. Hope that helps!
I'll throw in my 2 cents. I recently upgraded from an MT-07 to a 1290 Super Duke and I'd say realistically the MT-07 is more fun. It's cheaper, smaller, lighter and you can actually use most of what it's got and enjoy the noise without losing your license. The Super Duke is just scary amounts of power and goes from chill to losing your license/death in 2 seconds. I only got rid of the MT-07 because they rust, the stock suspension is awful, it has no quickshifter and mine had some wear and tear but those are things that can be fixed if you don't mind spending a little extra on it. The MT-07 is a bit gutless after 70mph but it was more fun around town (the Super Duke can power wheelie up to 130mph which isn't very fun around town).
Had a 1299 for four years after a succesion of Italian Sportbikes. Lovely ownwership experience and a great bike I spent a small fortune on in aftermarket parts, but I tested the V4 Pani' (even faster, even easier) and just came to the conclusion that Superbikes (or Superbike engined naked's) are an irrelevance to ride on the road now. Superb machines and I love them all, but trying to get a buzz on them on the road is going to end badly one way or another in the end. My saving grace was an out of character test of the Hyper' 950....WOW.... it was like going back 25 years, massive fun and hooning, but not Pani' warp speed, did some research and saw the 44Teeth review of the 950 and changed the 1299 for a 950 SP the next day. Keep it right side up kids......from an old git who can't hack it anymore :-)
The 950 Hyper is actually the only new bike I really, really want. My current bike is a 990SD, and the one before was a KTM 950SM. The SD is not going anywhere, but if I'm getting a new one the Hyper is the answer.
You really make me exited about the 950. I always wanted the Panigale. After owning 2 times Tuono V4, I thought the time is right now to go for the Panigale.
I loves a Ducati me - shame I've nowhere near enough riding skill to really appreciate the nuances, so taking your word for the riding subtleties chaps, doesn't stop me looking forward to having a go on these puppies sometime soon though! Thanks for a great vid....and a reminder of what sunshine looks like....
Another awesome review guys, I'm v. tempted to chop my Superduke in for the new Streetfighter....and then I watch your review of the new Superduke....and then I watch your review of the Tuono....I then I watch some random northerner wash a bike while Chris eats an ice cream to take my mind off the decision! Best content on RU-vid, period.
Went from a blade to a Tuono, loved it but had to go back to a sports bike.(s1000rr) I missed the "race" riding position. But wish I had both. I think both is the answer here.
Due to the bodyposition and the following vindresistance and weightdistrubution nakeds usually gets a bit light in the front wich actually means that the SFV4 benefits more off the wings than maybe the panigale in high speeds.
Just traded my 2018 Panigale for the Streetfighter. Absolutely agree with all your points. The road handling of the Streetfighter is sublime. So although I love the looks of the Panigale, the punt I took on ordering the Streetfighter in November has paid off. For the road it is just about perfect. Off to do some more running in...
Judging by your highly regarded opinions, I would definitely go for the Streetfighter V4S. I love the way it sits there minding it own business. At first, I was intimidated by the numbers. However, after listening to you guys, I feel confident that I could tour with it. Enjoy it. Rev its pants off when I want and be content with its wings. Being half Italian myself, I guess it's fitting that its more tame than the Panigale V4S. I guess you have to be full blooded Italian for that machine. Sorry, just being a bit of a sausage there. Thanks for the comparison gentleman. Much love from Pittsburgh PA! Cheers!
Wings on a superbike you might take to the track, OK makes a bit of sense... Wings on a naked bike is ridiculous, IMO. I agree with Chris, it would look a lot nicer without them.
So that’s a ‘definite maybe’....let’s face it no one ever bought a Panigale for comfort. Loving the depth of field you could be miniature scale models #tilt shift
Got my SFV4S last week. My first Ducati, and non "race" bike. At 53, my back and arms (and arse) didn't want to ride longer than 25 minutes on a race bike anymore. The SFV4S is a revelation. Comfortable, super fast, very flick-able, and I will know how good it is around the Nurburgring next week! Panigale does look super sexy though!
Streetfighter riding position is way better for the street. I had a supersport once and it made no sense unless you’re on a track. This is why naked bikes are so popular.
Neither. I went with the 2019 V4S because o liked it more. The 2020 fairings roasted my legs on the street and... it was more tame but i didn't want tame. Also i bought 2020 set of fairings for when im at the track. The wings really do help at 100+. But the previous fairings feel leagues better on the street imo.
I'll save people some time. If you ride primarily on the track, Panigale. If you ride primarily on the street, Streetfighter (hint...it's literally in the name)
I own a 19 V4S and I do prefer the bike without the wings. For the people that don’t like the wings, just buy an earlier model. I know there are a few computer and mechanical features that differentiate the older v4s and the new but not enough if one doesn’t like the wings. Honestly, the wings are there for the very top of the line guys needing every tiny advantage possible in a race. I beat a guy on a brand new winged v4s like he owed me money whilst riding my V4S without wings. It it comes down to the driver’s talent and the little things a bike can give to help the rider win a race. In the case of weekend warriors, it just isn’t going to make two cents difference. Fastest bike in the world or not, the Ducati V4S is just a beautiful and amazing piece of machinery. I found myself on an open highway late at night coming back from a big event and McLaren P1 rolls up on me and we both just went balls out. Now that was a blast. So rather I am on an auto Cross track, drag racing, or just cruising, the Ducati’s are just outstandingly remarkable and beautiful machines.
Just done a two day trip around Germany, Czech and Poland with a Panigale 4v and Tuono, on the autobahn the Panigale was more comfortable at (very) high speed, everywhere else the Tuono was more comfortable. The Tuono was faster on the roads we didn't know because of the higher riding position and the wider bars which made changing lines midway round a corner an option you don't get with a Panigale which holds a line beautifully on track but needs too much commitment to go fast on the road when the Tuono can be slung into a corner and then picked up and slung in a second time or just tightened up without any dramas so it was much more confidence inspiring. My vote for best street bike would be an RSV4 1100 with modified race fairing (to save neck muscles) and Tuono top yoke to take the Tuono bars, similar to the Pikes Peak Tuono. Money waiting if Aprilia are interested and can resist the urge to do the reducing torque thing Ducati ruined the Streetfighter with. And for gods sake buy the switchgear from the same place as Ducati and put some decent paint on it.
Tuono has les torque than Rsv4 only at those peak rpm's you can't use on the street. ..or you mean you'd better trade low rpm torque with more peak hp and have a Tuono with same heads and tune of Rsv4 for street use ?
I have both a 2019 Ducati V4 R and a brand new 2020 MV Agusta Brutale 1000RR and I'll be the first to admit that my Brutale is way more beautiful, and just as fast, as my V4 R. No bike in the world is more beautiful than the Brutale 1000RR/Rush/Oro...
I wish I had Panigale money haha. Im really keen on a Ducati down the track but the Monster 821 or Supersport S is the price range I feel comfortable with.
I'm seriously considering a V2 instead of the V4, but that Streetfighter. I've been doing a lot more track days, but I do like something civilized on the street. I currently have a street triple RS. what are your thoughts on this upgrade?
I rode the Streetfighter V4S with the full Akrapovic race system and it changed the bike enormously and made it ballistic like you mentioned it might be missing. It doesn’t need to rev as high as it does it feels insane to rev out
I would go for the Panigale. I don't have time to do long trip on Streetfighter anyway. And on track days the Panigale would do better in term of wind protection.
I'm hopefully getting back on a bike in the next couple of years after a long hiatus. I used to have a 2013 1199S and had over 5k miles on it before life circumstances forced me to sell it. I honestly thought it was very comfortable for a sport bike especially considering it was my first sport bike EVER. The SFV4S has caught my attention, but after having a Panigale and putting plenty of miles on it, I think I will be going with a Panigale V4S. There's just something oh so magical and sexy about the Panigales that I know if I went with the SFV4S I would eventually see a Panigale V4S on the road and regret my decision. Sorry for the long response. Lol...
meh, the v4sf only excels at track, on street roads the superduke and the tuono are better and cheaper options, and even on track the tuono will fight it easily.
I just got my 2020 V4S and the heat is outrageous!!! It literally burned both my legs, my calves and my inner thighs are burned from a 20 min ride home from the dealer. Ughhhh. Way hotter than the 18 and 19 which i also test drove but only burned me at stops. This fucker burns me on the fly. I suspect its due to the new fairings for 2020. That said the bike is like a damn Buick in street mode. Sooooooo comfy minus the cremation going on. I bought some heat resistant fabric for my mum to sew into my rider jeans. Hopefully that solves the burning cause its that bad. I got home and put on burn cream. My legs were as red as the damn bike itself! All that said its so bad ass, I absolutely love it. Ive named him Fireball.
As I became an old person I lost basically all interest in rolling around public roads on a race bike heh. My vote would be the street fighter. But even that thing is probably too crazy.
20:50 "if you're doing 130 on the road, you're either gonna be dead, or arrested" That's the speed at which we ride in Mexico 😎 (on 1000cc+ superbikes and when the road conditions allows it)
Can do the same in the USA, but same thing, depends on the conditions. Much, much harder to do any sustained high speeds in New England compared to, say, New Mexico.
Here in Miami if your doing less than 90-mph, someone is up your ass. So a typical ride I cruise at 105-115mph !! These guys live in a cramped place not good for 1000-cc Superbikes!! I wouldn’t own over a 450-cc in the UK
Even with both a strong wrist, back, neck, knees, legs, etc. The torture rack ergos of the Panigale will make you stop every 40 miles to realign the spine.
I currently have an 899 and need to change up... and despite what you said Chris (think I’m the weird one here!) I can’t decide between these two, an S1000 RR or a Superduke R. First world problems huh?!
Worth noting... the guy (Dave Moss Tuning) who setup my suspension on my Streetfighter V4S informed me that the Streetfighter has the Panigale V4R front forks which to him was a big deal and a real advantage over the Panigale V4S forks. I don't remember the technical reasons of what made the R forks so much better but he was happy about that. FYI. Cool review of the two bikes. Thanks guys.
20:43 laughts in German.... just came back from holdiay in switzerland and thought i am fast with 160km/h on the Autobahn but noo, i´m the slow boy who has to go on the right lane :(
Nice job guys! Since I’m a naked rider 🤔, I’m wondering how the street fighter would behave as a touring bike. Including bags etc. Would be nice if you can me a video about that.
Well done, fellas. As a fan/owner of the Monster series, unfortunately, they're not all day friendly to ride. Would be nice to see a 959 version of a Streetfighter. Would make it much more accessible from a price perspective and not everyone needs, or wants 200+ HP. Keep up the great work....
If i was buying one i would have to go for the Panigale V4s, the absolute tart in me could not leave the showroom with the streetfighter - i would be going "i love this, i think its great, really nice bike - does everything.. but i want that panigale" lol.
Great review! Love my 2020 Panigale V4 - no issues and have approximately 2k miles so far. Selected it over the Streetfighter due to looks/preference for race bikes over the standard supernaked models. It definitely feels more subdued compared to my 1198, but love the improvement in cornering and power in upper RPMs. Love them both! I will however be adding the Akra system to V4 "get back" some of that angry attitude though! By the way, you can buy straight from Ducati an option that removes the Panigale wings and replaces them with a "red insert" (I actually like mine as is and will keep the wings).
Thanks again for a top vid - just needed a wee "...and now Mossy's verdict" at the end 😆 I would say just get the V2 instead but just had a look and prices start at £15,295!!! 😲
One of each, problem solved!! or at least in my dream world. I have seriously considered a SFV4 to replace a few bikes but I am not sure it would be a better situation. I have a 2022 Hyper 950SP and a 1290 SD Evo. They are two totally different machines but really kind of for the same thing....hooliganism! I prefer the ride quality on the Hyper due to the Ohlins, I feel it is more fun to ride and that is saying a lot. On the other hand the SD is almost a perfect motorcycle, great gas mileage, comfortable, tech etc. That being said if I could blend the two together it would be perfect. I wish the hyper had the tech of the SD so I have looked for a bike that might be a combo of the two hence the idea of the street fighter, I have even considered the Super Sport 950S which I have ridden and loved. The problem is, Ducati skimps on the tech.....I still can't believe there is no gas gauge, cruise control etc. but I can forego that for the refinement. This bike would be for weekend fun, Tail of the Dragon etc. excursions. Anyone out there who has directly compared, specifically, the 2023 SFV4S to the 2022-23 Super Duke 1290 Evo? I heard that the 2023 SFV4 has much better torque than the earlier models but does it even come close to the SD? The Super Sport has tons of torque and pull like the Hyper and to me, that is what makes these bikes fun on the street. If the SFV4 still needs to be wound up I will pass. I even took a ride with a buddy who has a SFV2 and after swapping bikes he wanted to buy my Hyper. Even that V2 required way high RPM to find the power, it was slightly piggish in corners, at least compared to the Hyper but it still had the Ducati ride quality. I feel like my SD has simply too much torque making it extremely fun but also too fast for the road. I get it that we are talking 208HP on the SFV4 but is it too much for the street in anyone's experience?
its so hard to pick just one because i think both of them are the top bikes for 2020. ducati did a really great job. like what baron said if its for a show off bike i would go for panigale. but to be realistic i would go for the street fighter. streetfighter it is a jaw dropper but the effect of seeing a panigale specially this model.. women panties will fly over your visor for sure
Frame geometry is identical meaning both bikes have the same frame casting with respect to the steering, however, the rake angle is 2 degrees different - this is done with a frame insert to change the head angle. The SF has more rake. I have confirmed this visually with part numbers and measured both bikes with a digital angle finder.
I have a Streetfighter super comfortable can ride all day without complaint, doesn’t roast your nuts like a panigale, I put an MRA windshield which makes a massive difference over 200kph
The streetfighter is the bike you settle for. The streetfighter is the same thing as a BMW M5. It does everything well, but not one thing spectacularly. The streetfighter looks good but not stunning. The streetfighter is fast but not face melting. The streetfighter is comfortable and you'll hardly get annoyed with the body position. But the Panigale is THE ULTIMATE bike. Stunning, face melting, angry road missile with a devilish presence. You cannot have those things AND not compromise a little in other areas like comfort. You cannot have it all. So have 2 bikes. One comfy naked, and the panigale. And ride whatever is in your mood that day. For me, its the Panigale ALL DAY LONG! NEVER SETTLE
One of these bikes has "street" literally in the name. Obviously it's going to be more comfortable on the street. Which had better lap times? Not sure why I clicked on this, the conclusions are what anyone would expect.
25k V4 200 bhp Ducati with clip ons and fairing vs naked 20k V4 200 bhp Ducati with straight bars on legal British A and B roads? I'll take an XSR700/MT07 with an exhaust system and 500 quid's worth of farkles, and enough spare change for a van replacement, loan payoff, a weekend of coke and hookers, a week's holiday on said XSR/MT07 abroad and i still get to live, have fun, and keep my license. Simples really. Edit, or an air cooled 797 Monster...
Apart from the performance I can't get that excited about these newer Ducatis, they look like big lumps, especially the streetfighter. They don't even compare with the elegance and sheer eye candy of the 916. And this is coming from a lifelong Ducati fanatic. The problem with modern bikes, imho, is they have no engine appeal. Their power units are just bland lumps of metal. Just look at a round case Ducati bevel 750 to see what an engine should look like. I'm in the naked market (o'er) but the Ducati won't be taking my money, it's most likely going to be the new MV Brutale 1000. MV have managed to make their engine look at least slightly interesting and the overall styling is much better than the Ducati, in fact, the MV looks proper sex.
Dear 44Teeth. I'm not happy with you. At all. I watched this video but it cost me £20,000. In all fairness I'll be taking delivery of a Panigale V4 next week but it's all your fault. Also, thank you so much.
A month ago I did the same test myself as I decided it was time after 8 years to change my Panigale 1199S for a new one. I did the back to back on Snell’s two V4’s and came to the conclusion that for the road the Panigale needed the sprockets changed to the same gearing as the Streetfighter. My decision was to get the Streetfighter V4S, however I then got distracted by a new V4R and bought that. However on a back to back I have to agree with you that the Streetfighter is the much better road bike, and one hell of a bike all together. Now the next interesting test, on the road, testing the 2020 Panigale V4S against the V4R...!
You’ve ridden the bike only a short distance. Are either of them broken yet? After only watching the video for 1:37 seconds I can already answer the question. KTM Super Duke 1290 R. 😝 😆 😂
