if we ever had to carry our mop gear we had it in our alice pack. the butt pack carried poncho liner, socks, poncho, extra ammo and chow. thats about it.
Yeah. MOP Boots wouldn’t fit unless that was all you had in there. I’m which case, you were riding around in a vehicle and probably a support/supply guy or whatever
Butt packs came out of the standard MTOE in the 80s and 90s. For units that still used them, they were largely organized by individual unit SOP as was the TA-50 including ALICE pack. With the ALICE pack, most units were issued medium packs while special units like Airborne, Ranger, and Special Forces were issued large. In the 90s MOPP gear had its own compression sack that was worn where the butt pack was carried.
One thing to comment on, the illustration used in that document purporting to show an Army M1967 'butt pack' is actually a trials system considered to be a nylon version of the M1956. I have a copy of the original photo on my PC I'll send you over on FB.
Still rocked one in Afghanistan in 2009. So long as you have ammo and water up front on your belt as a counter balance, you can pack pretty heavy in a butt pack; otherwise your belt will ride up in front.
T-shirt (we didn’t wear underwear in the field, if you were light infantry), socks, poncho, MRE. This was your day pack. Alice pack we carried tooth brush/ paste, soap and razor in the top velcroed flap. Out side pockets we carried poncho (center) , rain suit top (right pocket), bottoms ( left pocket). Inside the alicepack , inside a G.I. waterproof bag we carried a sleeping bag and cover ( winter only), extra rations, extra uniform ( depending on how many weeks we were going to be in the field), towel, extra tee shirt and socks, field jacket liner or sleeping shirt or G.I. Wool sweater. This was at Ft. Bragg. Other post such as Ft Carson, Ft Drum or Alaska were probably different.
Ft. Drum was similar. We did normally carry a poncho liner and field jacket liner as well. Those two pieces of equipment could keep you somewhat warm even if they got wet., and you could put together a makeshift sleeping bag using the poncho and liner in a pinch.
We were still using TA-50 and ALICE gear in 02 in basis training. This is before plate carriers were adopted and camelbaks. We still used 2 ammo pouches, 2 one quart canteens, a compass pouch, and buttpack. In the buttpack we had 1 MRE, poncho and extra change of socks, underwear and tshirt.
For BCT and Infantry AIT in the mid 70s we used the butt pack to carry our wet weather suit,which doubled for NBC. The overshoes were strapped to the bottom. No rucks for us. Our ponchos were under the top flap.
Did you ever see that one video on RU-vid of the guy who had like a case of ensure drinks in his butt pack? Along with so much other crap the butt pack looked rediculious. Dude must of had something like 150lbs of gear including his Alice pack. I pack enough in the Alice pack to survive for 72 hrs rationing everything out. That's Incase I have to ditch my medium Alice pack for whatever reason. I have to change everything out based off of what time of year it is too.
Man, I'd get some tiny travel sized items if I were you. Scrap the shaving cream entirely and pack a safety razor, tiny toothpase/brush, roll of TP and a BAR of soap. Honestly, packing a can of Barbasol??
I knew when I made the video it would definitely get a few weird looks. But that's why I posted it as a "by the book" and obviously that isn't really a realistic way or list.
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As someone who is currently In the military and has to carry a fighting load of 70 lbs and a training load of 100 lbs allow me to be the first one to say... IM FUCKING JEALOUS.
This has been an ongoing issue since World War I. The military reform movement that emerged post Vietnam had a few successes here and there with this and other chronic foolishness common among western militaries. William Lind is pretty much the only survivor still publishing on the issue. His fourth generation warfare handbook and novel Victoria are mandatory reading.
@@collectornick4270 do you know what pack this is. Looks like it has a waterproof rubber , perhaps predecessor to Alice. $20 bucks missing strap.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GnJWXe2i74g.html
When I saw you take out that full-sized Barbasol shaving cream and tube of toothpaste, I laughed out loud. You should visit the travel-sized aisle... It would be a lot lighter and take up less room.
I knew when I made the video it would definitely get a few weird looks. But that's why I posted it as a "by the book" and obviously that isn't really a realistic way or list.
