What was with that Naito/Moxley match? | AEW Forbidden Door | Wrestling Observer Live 

This was the perfect stage to have Mox drop the title... to Yota Tsuji. I have no idea what NJPW thinks they're gonna gain from putting it back on Naito.

Mercedes is from California! 😂 Boston is just where she started her wrestling career!

In terms of showcasing,, I thought Stardom and CMLL had much stronger outings last night than NJPW did. Hate seeing guys like Naito and Tanahashi look so broken down.

His body is broken. Its the same with Tanahashi.

Naito is the perfect example of someone that wont rest and pays the price in the long run.

So glad Britt is back about time next up Jamie Hayter 🙏🙏🤞🤞

They need to push Takeshita the fans were really behind him last night , I was there live and the pop he received when he was about to grab the TNT title in that Crazy ladder Match was Loud

I can't believe they gave Tsuji this big presentation and return only for him to do...nothing of much importance. Easily the most charismatic young star they have and yet drag their heels.

Naito can still have great matches, it needs to be the right opponent. That's not saying Naito wasn't ropey as hell and not saying Mox is the wrong opponent, he's in a position where he's really popular but cannot do what he used to do. Sabre and Ospreay had great matches with him this year.

Konosuke Takeshita is going to be in the G1 Climax tournament. Make him the winner. Period. The guy beat Omega twice.

Lol love how much Naito just gives zero effort every time he wrestles in USA, he should have wrestled in T-shirt, that would have been even funnier

Naito need to change his finish. He cant do destino anymore. Love the guy but he keeps botching his finishes.

Alvarez: That match was fine. Also Alvarez: Naito looked horrible 🤨

an old japanese man with a broken body against a guy that can't throw punches/kicks or even sell... the match was destined to be bad

Naito is what happens when their roster is raided.

As a proud Bostonian, it’s scary wearing my Boston team merch at the Garden lol

I’m telling you, that Naito/Ibushi match from Dominion (2019??) took years of their life and wrestling careers.

Everyone talking about Naito looking rough. I mean, Moxley looks rough, too. At least Naito is going away with the belt, Moxley is here to stay on AEW.

Naito is the biggest draw in New Japan so he got the title back, why is this shocking?

5:45 I’m surprised with how long Alvarez has been watching, he didn’t immediately realize this was the plan when Moxley won it back in Chicago.

Naito was the problem. It drives me crazy people blame Mox for the match. Gedo can't be happy with Naito's wrestling. He dropped Mox on his head

Because there never was a story, Alvarez (concerning osprey)

Oh thank goodness. I thought something was very wrong with that match but couldn't put my finger on it and then Mox lost. Just out of nowhere, no build to the finish. It was nice to see Britt back and I say that as someone who was very, very sick of her being inserted into everything in the past. She wasn't awful but the eternal push over others was driving me crazy. Then Jamie was champion and I thought for sure Britt was going to be put over her even without the belt. She wasn't and I was pleasantly surprised. I now eagerly await Jamie Hayter returning but only when she's healthy!

Naito is physically broken down and has been for years now. And NIPW has failed to build up anyone newer. And they refuse to do more with Shingo either for some reason?

For as much shit as Triple H and Tony get as bookers, everyone needs to look at how NJPW is booked and be thankful.

finding one fan in a celtics jersey to blame for everyone hating mone is CRAZY. vaquer comes off as twice the star as mone btw.

Watching that match , naito looked like he didn’t wanna be there at all. And Moxley had boo boo job face the whole time.

What happenned ? 2024 Naito happenned

The plumber Moxley had another bad match, it's nothing new or shocking, he has bad matches on TV almost every week.

That Stephanie/Mercedes match was a 90/10 match. Stephanie did most of the work while Mercedes did one or two moves and won the match while almost everyone hated her. And, if you are going to rag on Naito looking old, rag on Tanahashi as well. I do not care if he is the president of New Japan, Tanahashi needs to go as well.

Moxley doing a job on pay per view was the real surprise of the night 😂. Guess he figured "this guy's not gonna be a regular in AEW, so it doesn't matter." Now what's he gonna get out of it? That's the question.

Naito is my favorite wrestler... sucks to see that it seems like he's just going thru the motions. The dude doesn't even look like he works out much anymore. ...I guess I can change it to Naito's my favorite wrestling character.

Huge fan of Naito , was very sad watching the match with Moxley.

I hope Naito puts Mox over in the rubber match. I hope Naito just got the title so the champion would be in the g1

Naito has declined like crazy over the past year or two. He should probably be exclusively doing undercard multi-man tags in the Tenzan/Makabe/Honma spot by now because he just can't do what he once could, not even close. But New Japan probably can't afford to move him down the card due to ticket sales & merch reasons, he's too popular and there's nobody ready to take his spot.

What about Just 5 guys? Give them a fair shot.

People have finally woke up to Meltzer and Alvarez’s BS. People just watch this show for a laugh now.

Hik is in WWE! 😂

No they booed Moné cause she sucks… the only cheers for Moné and Britt cause they are incorporated in their entrance music lol

Mox looked like a shirtless out of shape Bill Burr

Bro looked drunk or high to me. It was more than just his body

Naito sawdusted himself man. Shame to see. Shame that gedo didn’t give him that run in 2019

Honestly a ridiculous take. Naito might not be where he was in 2016-2020, but he had a great match with Moxley even just a few months ago. I won't defend the FD match, clearly both guys had a very different vision for it. But these stupid hottakes where we pretend Naito can't work anymore and should retire, despite the fact that he had a match of the year candidate last year, are silly as fuck.

IT WAS TRASH 🚮 💯

Naito is japanese Eddie Kingston

How can anyone critique Moxley’s ‘wrestling’?? It’s DEATH-JIT-SU mixed with blading and cursing directly into a camera…

Mox and Naito was pretty good ngl.

No, it wasn't anything to do with where Mercedes was from, it is that Stephanie Vaquer was so much better at everything she did and she looked like a star, a fantastic wrestler and Mercedes looked bad. She has the most irritating personality and her in ring work is very average. She should be in NXT so she can improve and Stephanie Vaquer is ready for PPV and prime time.

Moxley is never surrender guy...the way he was defeated is not logic n realistic...he ever getting more worst but still fighting till the end

Naito is sad to watch at this point.

New Japan is repeating wwe old problems. Relying on the old and haven't in built up anyone new. Naito should've been the guy like 6 years ago

Mercedes suffers from being overhyped, overrated, having things handed to her, just a really bad gimmick and just outright annoying. Willow put in the work, she deserved the title, Vaquer is a multi champ in, she put in the work between CMLL and AEW. There was no reason not to put the TBS title on Stephanie who was obviously the better wrestler especially if you want to bolster ties with CMLL. NJPW put their top title on Mox, a bold move by NJPW. I don't see AEW putting the heavyweight title on non AEW talent like Shingo but Shingo could easily be an awesome TNT champion. NJPW definitely needs to push the younger talent like Tsuji, & ELP. Would love to see them in more AEW matches.

I was disappointed by Naito/Moxley. I did not except to say that. A lot of the time given to 'The Learning Tree' match should've been cut, and given to the final 2 matches.

I'm throwing it on Mox, He's one of the worst wrestlers there is. Period.

I hate to say it, but someone has to... Every single Moxley match, has been the drizzling s**ts, since he stopped drinking. He is clearly waiting for moves, then doesn't sell anything!

Whoever is editing these videos is definitely putting extra stupid sounds at the start just to annoy me. Genuinely makes the videos worse.

It's funny when they talk like anyone cares about New Japan...

"what was with that Naito Moxley match? Naito has been washed up for 3 years, just like Tanahashi. what do you think was up with it?

I missed naito, during the whole paper view I had the denny sit down special which looks like runny eggs and hashbrowns mixed with chunked up beefloaf pushing through a mouse hole. And it was just everywhere, my friends dog was sitting outside the bathroom crying and howling and apparently later their kid sat in my stool that had run down the toilet seat when I was hovering trying to reach the lightswitch. So I totally missed Naito.

I'll tell ya...it was a shite match.

Definitely probably the worst match on the card.

Naito needs to retire. Naito and Tana are not good.

Even though im a big Naito fan, it should have been Yota Tsuji that defeated Sanada at Tokyo Dome. Hopefully they have Naito vs Tsuji in January and then build Tsuji and Umino as the next top stars. Moxley is so sloppy. He needs to go back to cut good promos and bleed less in the ring. - 7 Stars😂😂 Goofs!

It was a banger

Naito's past his prime and his title reigns are boring I don't understand why new japan keeps pushing him, moxley no sells alot it's hard to enjoy his matches these day's even when he's not bleeding

Moxley is by far the worst wrestler right now. Naito is jusy so broken down

Naito reminded me of CM Punk when he beat Moxley at All Out. Gassed and just needed one move got him the title

Moxley is one of the worst wrestlers on the planet and no one can drag a good match out of him.

It’s crazy that’s it’s taken ppl this long to see how bad Moxley is…

Moxley having more 5 Star Matches' then Kurt Angle is the perfect encapsulation of why Meltzer's credibility is at an all time low and how he went from highly respected journalist to a riduculous parody of himself that gets clowned on by everybody.

How the hell do you book Mercedes vs baker? Fans are fully behind baker and hate mercedes..you gonna beat baker just as she comes back? Beat your million dollar toy in Mercedes n she puts on boo boo job face??

This ‘Night-O’ match was a 9 star…for certain… With all those spits…just ‘GREAT’

You want to elevate a young NJPW guy? Have them be the one to beat Mox. That's how you make a new star. Mox should have won here and then lost to a younger guy at Dynasty in the Tokyo Dome.

It's funny reading comments from a bunch of people who don't know anything about NJPW still post messages about "All the problems AEW has"! Or that one comment about Kurt Angle and Meltzer reviews. They have nothing to do with the topic of this video, because it's a bunch of people that don't watch AEW, or NJPW.😂😂😂

‘STORY??? BRYYYYY-AAAAANNNN… There was TOO MUCH story’ -Davey M chastising Bryan after this clip

Moxley is in dire need of changing his gimmick up. Ditch the bcc, ditch the grunting noises he makes and stop with the blood (thank goodness he didn't bleed last night).

It was like all the other Moxley matches, terrible

Cant believe you people always absolve the blame from Mox, he isn't good

"how?" the reason this match was bad is the reason EVERY moxley match is bad.

I just hate the how Japanese pro wrestling promotions keep losing all of their stars. I wish they’d take “Japan” out of the names of NJPW and AJPW and do like Pride, Rizin, K-1, Dream, Heroes, and Pancrase. Put an extremely glaring and unmissable emphasis on the Japanese culture and style, but don’t name your promotion after it. I just feel like having “Japan” in the name makes it look less meaningful on a global scale. Like how can a promotion with a single country in the name hold a true “World” championship?

what's with this title? it was a match, the right man won, it was good booking. if it wasn't any good thats probably because moxley is an awful talent.

Naito is washed and its sad NJPW keeps relying on him whwn he clearly cant go anymore

LMAO what's with this title jon moxley is an awful talent he's been awful since joining AEW nobody cares about new japan pro wrestling these forbidden door shows are exactly like these WWE Saudi Arabia events it's filler and nothing matters they're basically glorified house shows this match was a complete mess.

Terrible garbage match that the aew marks lapped up

Well Mox is still the man