Time to get meta. Let's talk about what "A Song of Ice and Fire" can teach us about the fantasy genre, writing, and media in general. Patreon: / jamestullos Twitter: / fortullos goodreads: / james-tullos
It had some advantages in generating interest for the book and hyping the ones yet to be released. Its just by not releasing the books before the series finished, George kinda let the show run out of rope.
@william crow Martin doesn't owe you anything. It's his work you seemed to enjoy and it's his to with what he pleases. If he wants to take his time or stop altogether, or mess around, who are you to say any different?
ASOIAF is easy to pitch to book readers. It’s a series about the socio-political conflict between a bunch of powerful nobles, and the exiled heirs to the throne. But ice aliens are coming.
They do represent that concept of "the alien" that we now call "other." They accomplish with ice what Valyrians once did with steel and fire. And in the books they have their armor that shifts colors in the light (makes for excellent winter camouflage).
Speaking of imitators, has anyone else gotten tired of books that call themselves, “the next GOT”, or “the GOT meets X”? I know that a great many books are marketed that way, but with GOT, its become more meaningless than the phrase, “New York Times bestseller” on the cover.
LMAO that is something that has bothered me for years but I have never actually wanted to look at what EXACTLY that means (or takes to become); being a NYT Best Seller, that is. As the years have gone on and the more and more I have seen it slammed on seemingly ANY book, the desire to look up the meaning has shrunken to the point that I am certain it is what I think it is: a meaningless label that might have been prestigious in the pre-90s non Internet days,.
considering NYT bestseller list goes up to 1000 or something like that, meaning if you have a basically successful series your chances of hitting the NYT Bestseller list at the very least on the bottom end are pretty high.
A lot of "historical" shows try to copy Game Of Thrones style. But claim to be different because they are "real history" but all their tropes are imitations.
Well Thrones's 'tropes' are mostly inspired by reworld history as opposed to more cliche fantasy stories like lord of the rings, since in real history, the 'good guy' doesn't necessarily win. (or there isn't a 'good' or 'bad' guy). Thrones in particular is based on the war of the roses (Starks = Yorks, Lannisters = Lancasters, etc.).
Discovery writing is perfect for 1-book stories. Stephen King is a perfect example of an author who uses discovery writing to its fullest potential. But he doesn't write huge book series over the course of decades.
@@runningcommentary2125 Oh yeah, right, the Gunslinger series. Haven't read them personally but I've heard that they're, like you said, they're really weird
@@rymdalkis If you ever have a lot of free time on your hands, I would recommend reading them for the shear novelty of the experience. They stick in your head for a whole variety of different reasons.
@@runningcommentary2125 I dunno, I've heard they have a lot of high fantasy elements in them. I haven't really liked any work in that genre except for LOTR
@@rymdalkis There are, but he throws in elements of pretty much every genre whether it works or not. Every aspect of the series is wildly inconsistent. The first book is probably the best. It's the most cohesive and it's pretty short, so it doesn't outstay it's welcome. The others are more of a mixed bag.
That last episode was such utter shit. I can even forgive he Arya thing a bit because anybody whose plot had anything to do with the Night King doing him in would be a fairly high fantasy thing. Just wish it hadn't been literally out of the blue.
By deluding yourselves into thinking Grrm has it all figured out, when he doesn't,you're only hurting yourself, and youre making him anxious because you hold him to high expectations he cannot meet. You fanboys are the bane of GRRMS existance. at least people like me, who are realistic and logical, realise he's just a mediocre genre writing and I don't care how it ends asking as it MAKES SENSE ABD THE PLOT ACTUALLY MOVES FURTHER. stop adding new shit. He hates the fact you hold him up as a god cause he knows you'll be let down, stop praising him, you're the fucking problem and don't even understand your own Problematic idol-worship irony cause you're so dim.
It is about war, easy as that. About how war changes us and the people around us, how every man's death diminishes us, as we are involved in mankind. And how after a while, we are diminished so much that we can not feel as strongly for all those people we loved, all those people whose very thoughts we got to observe.
after the shit show of the new trilogy(that it sounds like they plan to retcon), there really isn't... casual fans easily exist, but the dedicated fans are limited now(through sheer effort to pretend the new trilogy never happened, and that the expanded universe hadn't been canned)
The series was perfect for me personally. I loved the more realistic and dark portrayal of fantasy that Martin showcased in this series. It was like J. R. R. Tolkien meets Stephen King. A fantasy epic with a twist of graphic and horrid suspense.
I started reading it once, met around five characters without the book telling me how they looked and I closed the book. I just can't stand having to make five random looks, and assigning each one to a new name at the same time.
ASOIAF does have a lot to say about fantasy. I mean I'm of the opinion that one of it's major themes is making commentary about the fantasy genre and it's history. Everything from Tolkien to Moorcock, the different types of fantasy and the worldviews and politics behind them are things that the books indirectly touch on. As well as showing the dark, dreary and realistic, the books also have a huge interest in showing the genuinely fantastical, the magical, and the epic. And that's not a reflection of the wonders of our world, but of the fantasy genre and it's potential.
I'm a gardener writer too, i'm finally settled on writing this one book series but from time to time i still feel like it's too big for my current skills, i have made these very rough 20-25k words drafts for each arc and from what i can tell the series is going to have eight to ten of then. My writer friends and myself are very aware that it's a lot better to start with something smaller, mainly a story that begins and ends with just one book, the thing is, i don't seen to have a good idea for anything like that. Since i'm not a published author, i don't feel the need to impress people that GRRM is definitely feeling for years, so i'm allowing myself to slowly sink in on what could turn out to be a series that i will never be able to finish, hope that's not the case.
@@swagromancer That's not what I meant, what I meant is that all the ideas I had were for long stories and I was struggling to come up with something short and more manageable. Since making this comment over a year ago I have written a few shortstories and started - but unfortunately not finished - a few novellas, so I definitely got better. Still, starting a new story, no matter it's predicted size, is way easier than finishing said story.
@@AmyTalksAni You talked about writing a whole series, that's why I assumed you had ideas for multiple stories. If you struggle to keep focus and actually finish a project, that sounds like that gardener thing is the wrong approach for you. You need an outline. I know the thrill of starting a new story, setting up some intrigue und cool characters and having a vague idea of an awesome climax and where it all will eventually come to an end. Problem is, you have to fill the huge, gaping, boring middle part with something, and coming up with that on the spot is very tedious and exhausting. Do yourself a favour. Start outlining. It's the best thing you can do if you want to actually finish something.
@@swagromancer My outlines are very rough as I am a discovery writer, unfortunately forcing a bigger outline does not work for my creative process, but I do have 5.000 or so word long documents of notes for most of my works. I have already finished one novel but unfortunately never managed to finish rewriting it, and I have another one around 70% done that I'm trying to get back to but life is not making it easy. Surprisingly -- and I have tried out different approaches enough times throughout the years to be confident in saying this --, discovery writing is still working better for me, but while I used to be around 90% a discovery writer, nowadays I'm more like 75%. This "shiny new idea syndrome" is a pain but I have gotten better at dealing with it recently.
Having seen the end of GoT, and seen the fan outcry, I can say with certainty that demand for the next part of ASoIAF has NEVER BEEN HIGHER. Now, that's not to say that this demand won't wane, but if WoW is announced within the next 3 months it will have been a master stroke by Martin (intention be dam**d).
When it comes to writing i'm in the middle, i have an outline, themes and an end point but i let the characters and the world decide how i get there and i'm open for things to change if it makes the most sense character wise and in the world that i've created and would never force a character to do things that they wouldn't to follow a rigid outline.
Can you do a review of the edge chronicles? It has spectacular worldbuilding with very few common fantasy tropes. Its most unique aspects that I can't find in other fantasy books are : 1. The lack of a "superior" or "ancient" overpowered race like elves or night walkers 2. There isnt any magic, instead there are supernatural forces and materials that have unique physical properties(i.e. rocks that float, all life coming from spirit particles) 3.Technological progress instead of technological stagnation, and focus on how it changes societies in the Edge Chronicles world
After the ending revealed in the show the thing to learn from these books is that apparently ppl are s**t at governing themselves so they need a god like entity with no emotions to rule them. Also, don't bother be a good person, you'll end up being the scape goat for other ppl's f**k ups. Awesome.
Tolkine is still #1 in fantasy, he raised the bar and then some for the modern fantasy novel, among other things. Harry Potter did help the fantasy genre take some steps into the mainstream, but HP always felt, well, for teenagers, it never felt fully developed to me. Then Game of Thrones came along, (I did not discover it until the show), it had historical references, it had action, sex. I was in. GOT also made me feel like I could have an open conversation about something in the fantasy genre, without it seeming "too geeky".... fantasy was cool, even if just for awhile. GOT is fun to read, it has enough characters that you can have a favorite and you want to follow along and see what happens to them. The TV show made me feel like I was watching live action version of dungeons and dragons. Its a B+ kind of book. I cannot recomend it to everyone, but its good enough that if I ever need something to read, I can confidently take my copy off the shelf and read it and know I will enjoy it.
Maybe a good compromise between the "architect" and "gardener" approaches is to do a simple outline first, but update it as you go if you have an idea about the characters that would make things go in a different, more interesting direction.
2:18 personally I never saw it that way. Obviously intense emotion based story beats effect everyone differently, but GRRM kind of flips what you said about "a little bit of darkness" on it's head. I always find the sad scenes sadder because they contrast with the happier ones. The World of Ice and Fire is a very dark world, so for him it seems he went with "a little bit of light goes a long way". It's sad to see all the things the people of King's Landing go through on it's own, but it's sadder when you consider that those thing likely never would've happened to them were the born in The Reach or The Summer Isles. But your statement nonetheless still applies in his books too. Tyrion winning The Battle of Blackwater Bay is made all the more triumphant because we're repeatedly told what would've happened had Stannis won. Still a good video just wanted to add my two cents.
The way I see it, George didnt lose focus on the theme of the story. People just miss the real theme.😝 The story is about "A Song of Ice and Fire". It is not called Jon Snow or Stark or Stormborn or The Imp. The story is NOT about specific people. The story is about the bittersweet human condition. Individual characters are dispensable because the story can live on through other characters and the story will still remain true to its original purpose.
Agreed. I don't see any focus lost, i see we started to get a more broader look on what is really happening with character Euron, Marwyn and Melisandre.
I haven't watched the video till the end but what I've personally learned from GoT are principles of inheritance. Also it inspired me to read The Accursed Kings series (and you know why) and learn more about medieval history.
I would like to put an argument against ur caution against using death and rape too much. I think death and rape doesn't loose the shock factor if written properly. If the characters r paper thin then yes, a couple of deaths later it loses its shock but if the character is well written then it doesn't matter how many well written characters die, it'll still hit u somewhere. But thats just an opinion. Anyway I'm trying to write a GoT like novel. Hope I can prevent myself from falling into that imitator category 😛
You mentioned the original idea - war of 5 kings and then Daenerys goes to conquer Westeros, and it's more or less exactly what happens in the first 3 books, up to the point Daenerys decides to stay in Essos. She has an army, her dragons are growing up, the next plot development for should've been preparation and invasion. Instead, she goes to Meereen and that's where her entire plot falls apart completely and utterly, and I don't see it can be fixed without adding hundreds more pages of untying that knot. I believe this is why Winds Of Winter takes so much time. GRRM's original idea turned into a first act of the story he's currently trying to write. He probably knows how he intends to end the series, but he has no idea (or interest) how to get from where he's now to that ending. That's why the story went wildly sideways in the last two books instead of going forward.
I think you should be more careful about the T-shirts you pick. This one misspelled Darkseid. EDIT: 5:11 Hei! stop talking about Babylon 5. Season 5 was just .... just.... fine! Also, the real reason for the edit, some new authors just invest a lot of time in making their world and just want to tell people everything they've worked on so hard. People gravitate towards a world because of story, but if sufficient world building has gone into a work, authors might be inclined to turn the story into the side dish of an encyclopedia about their fictional world... that or you're reading a work from the 19th century where novels were serialized and authors got paid by the word.
I was honestly shocked when you said the plot is not that good. I guess people have different tastes but for a fantasy series, especially one of those fantasy worlds where it's just the feudal European system but with different names and events and exotic realms based on "the near East" in the periphery to spice things up a bit, I feel like... what more could the plot be? Feudal Lords jostling for power with intrigue and conspiracies and fantasy elements thrown in, is the essence of the fantasy genre. I mean, is it original? Maybe it doesn't seem like it to us now, but in 1990s it was not a tired old trope yet and there is nothing I can think of that is a fantasy medieval feudal setting like ASOIAF, but better plot, or more original. I think the number of theories people have been debating over for more than 2 decades now is a testament to some kind of extraordinary merit of his plot. Not many series inspire so much debate about every tiny plot detail. I get why someone might be bitter about his not having finished it yet and leaving us unsatisfied. But I think it was simply that he got old, he was more interested in different projects, or the handling of his works by the TV show producers disillusioned him. Basically I don't think the plot is the problem, he is himself. He could finish it and make a deeply fulfilling end to his story, but he doesn't want to or isn't healthy enough. I personally separate the value of the existing/potential plots and the failure to realize that potential. The failure doesn't negate the plot itself being great. Wow so I obviously care about this series way too much (been a fan since I was 11 lol) so I'll stop simping for GRRM now
this is really interesting. almost everything you dislike about ASOIAF is exactly what i love about it. i love that you can't easily summarize the plot. it almost transcends being a plot; it's more like GRRM writing his fictional world's history in the form of a narrative instead of a textbook.
Let`s say that the third book ( Skull Throne ) of the series, was an unneccessary Game of Thrones-copy. Since most of those characters (beside Inevera ) weren`t slowly introduced, over all books, but just thrown in with that book, one would think, that the author just did it, to cash in on the GOT-wave.
Beside my above comment, the total deviation from the mainplot, in favor of watching stuff happen in krasian court/palace? Factions springing up like daemons and "bickering" among themself, with only a sidedish of other stuff? For me, that looks like heavy inspired by GOT/King Landing-politicking, which was never that central to the books. It`s very filler-ish, but it made a whole book, so it made money for the author. It doesn`t fit with the other books, that is what I am trying to say.
MiyuFull imo you’re very wrong lol, I mean I’m sure he got inspiration from game of thrones but that certainly shouldn’t be considered a negative. I feel that the content of the the first and certainly the second book flowed well with the evolution of the story as a whole as it grew to include the points you brought up.
There is two type of writters: A) the gardener who set up the seeds and let them grow until they can't see trough the god daim jungle and cant wrap up the story anymore B) the professional
(Spoilers for Ice and Fire and the GOT tv show): I agree with most of your points accept for one, the part about "imitators." First off, i have to disagree with you saying that Ice and Fire was great cuz of the execution of these elements that made the book series and the tv show so popular. For me personally, I certainly like or even love most ingredients in the book series and the show, but i instead don't like at all how they were executed quite often. For instance, i like the killing off of characters, even major ones for sure, but i didn't like the way in which they were killed oof as well as how random their deaths were, being so far from them coming anywhere close to completing their character arcs, this is especially the case with the show but also the case for the books. There are plenty of ways to add realism, and giving the viewer/reader the impression that any character can be killed off at any point, without having their deaths coming as a result of the author/show-runners deliberately throwing it in there for shock value. Certainly in the books the deaths do have consequences, but regardless these deaths alot of times took the story in directions that i personally didn't like. (Spoilers for Ice and Fire and the GOT tv show): Like in the show the way they killed off Kal Drago, who was easily my favorite character in the show, how died from an infection from being cut in an easy fight against a dude who challenged him. I mean, he was supposed to be the best warrior in the entire world possibly, and we not once actually got to see him in a single battle of any kind. Then there's Oberyn, who prolly was my second favorite character in the entire tv series, and how i saw his death coming a mile away. Like i literally guessed the exact way in which he was gonna die after the first couple seconds of the duel and you saw how much of a bad-ass fighter he actually was and the way he started taunting The Mountain - sounding just like the guy in "The Princes Bride" at the end fighting to avenge his father's murder. This made the tragic and shocking abrupt change in who had the upper hand in the fight, just so mind-numbingly obvious. I knew they were gonna have him pretty much kick the shit and severely wound The Mountain, but was gonna get too cocky and allow the Mountain to get ahold of him somehow and kill him. And what annoyed the shit out of me at how that scene was executed was not only due to it being to obvious, but was also due to the fact they deliberately took a character from the book and made him way more important and interesting in the show for the explicit reason to then kill him off in some shocking sort of way. It was done entirely for shiock value and i never understood how no one else seemed to have any trouble with it. Then there's also the case though, as i stated earlier, that i liked him so damn much in the show, so for many who didn't like him much, it prolly why it didn't offend them the way it did to me. (Spoilers ahead for shows: "The Expanse," and "Vikings): So when compared to tv shows that have a similar tone and/or setting, that you could call GOT-esque, whether it be "Vikings", "Marco Polo", or the sci-fi series "The Expanse", i think all in all they are better shows and execute alot of the elements that made GOT so great, better. None of them are remotely near as popular, (one got canceled after merely two seasons, in Marco Polo, while The Expanse was canceled but luckily picked up by Amazon for atleast two more seasons), but i think they are better series. The last couple Vikings seasons haven't been the best, but the way in which they killed off it's main character Ragnar, is the best way i have ever seen a show kill off a main character, way better than the Red Wedding or Ned's beheading, despite those both were far more shocking for viewers who hadn't read the books.
I think I prefer discovery writing myself too, and yeah, it’s hard to fix everything when you go back (and I’m not very good with editing and reworking stuff, and in fact a lot of my Google docs are just a bunch of ideas, story ideas and character interactions scattered all around.) and I don’t entirely know how exactly to end the story I’m making, since I’ve got like 5 different endings I’d like to happen and I don’t know which one would work best. I know I’d like to be a writer, but if I don’t feel in the mood to write very much, like I do now because I’m so busy and stuck in a pattern of life that doesn’t necessarily include writing, well, maybe I’m not much of a writer at all…
How do you recognize immitators? For example, I've been enjoying ASOIAF and really fantasy, that's more political, character-centric and grounded in reality, but I feel threatened by "just being immitator" or "copycat".
I agree with most of what you say about asoiaf but I personally love the fact that this is a series that cannot be explained with few plotlines. a lot of fantasy and sci-fi books are just 'some character(s) go on an adventure' type and I'm happy that asoiaf is not that. like it's not about a character or two, but it's about a whole world of storylines and characters and it shouldn't even be explainable with a few sentences, and the worldbuilding is so much more convincing and engaging bc of this level of expansion and complexity and I like the fact that he keeps developing and adding more to the world. That is to say, I'm not a fan of what George did after ASOS. I think he should've started to narrow the plotlines down gradually to set the background to end the series but instead he kept expanding the world and developing the storylines more and more with no ending in sight and even achievable at that point. In conclusion, I'm more on the pessimistic side that thinks the books are never going to have an ending, but I also think that the books are really good for what they are (specially before AFFC) mainly bc of the amount of growth and development they have.
as the 'imitator' point goes I am really sad that a lot of books are advertised as 'something to read while you wait for GoT'. That being said though, one of those (Moontide Quartet and now Sunfurge Quartet) are now my favorite books....
@@redhippopotamus9144 It doesn't have a name yet, but the main character's name is Cassilo Trastamar-Pampala dei Mondraga, i believe that's hard to miss if you search for it in the future.
It‘s like when Shrek used a bunch of crude toilet humor because they are actively trying to subvert Disney and since Shrek was such a huge success everyone assumed toilet humor was a total winner for mainstream movies. Hilariously, this includes both Disney (oh the irony) and Dreamworks itself (who really should have known better). Sometimes I wonder who makes these decisions. Like at least the creative guys should know why they put poop jokes in Shrek and why those same jokes would fall flat in Shark Tale, but apparently no one noticed.
I dont even have money to buy any of these, but I know they are awesome,just a shame I cant buy them, even less in the country I live. But your videos are the closest thing I will ever get, which are very good of course.
@@InfidelProductionzYes I have seen them, but for me thats expensive I only get like 8 dollars a week and I always end up spending it on food to get out of the routine of rice and beans six days a week, the only books I have are used books for 3 dollars and even then I have only managed to buy 5 and have read them all and it hurt like hell only having 5 dollars left, but if one day I can materialize money I will buy those
@@layerzcookie Thats the first thing I did trust me but they dont have it I hope I can get them as physical copies and add them to my meager 5 book collection in the next 3 years, that and the witcher series yoy have got no clue for how long I have been wanting to read those series, like more than a year, but they are too expensive and I havent even found them used
@@alexcorvuscazador5596 Yes try looking 2nd hand shops. And you should read the Witcher too if you get a chance. You could try getting PDFs free online and then buy physical books when you get enough money in the future.
Low fantasy, the main caracter wounder how to secure food for himself (or his army) during the march. High fantasy, the main caracter wounder how to secure the artefact of great power during the march. WFB is definitely in the High fantasy category.
I dont consider asoiaf as a low fantasy series, yes its happening in a more realistic setting but it's still happening in a completely fictional world so I still think it's high fantasy after all
I kind of have to disagree that it lost focus. IMO... the war of 5 kings wasn't supposed to be the summation of the A Song Of Ice and Fire books... because we haven't had a conclusion to the Others or the dragons. Yea GRRM might have gone on longer than he intended, but I think that's because he couldn't do the 5 year time skip he originally planned to do. And personally I loved Feast For Crows and Dance With Dragons... and I personally can't wait to see what happens in Winds of Winter and hopefully A Dream of Spring.🤞🏾 But bro. Loving the channel and your work... Especially the stuff on world building. 👍🏾
Sure, if he wants so give people the finger and just go into retirement he's allowed to do that But if people want to criticize him incessantly for that, they are allowed to do that as well Sure it's a bit of a dick move, but they are allowed to do it
"Audiences are smarter than we give them credit for" Yeah, unless they're playing my fucking videogame! It seems like everyone turns off their brains when they play a game I made and think is super easy...
I completely disagree with the books losing focus. I heard somewhere that the way George write is he sets up the characters then lets the story play itself out. This explains why it is taking so long for him to finish the series.
Well in the last two/three books a large number of new main characters, with entirely new subplots, were introduced. You've got the Iron Isles going on a voyage and raiding, the other Great Houses are turning up for a bit then going, more and more states and characters were being added to the siege on Daenarys' city and you've even got another Targaryen pretender turning up in Westeros with a whole cast of attendants! That's not exactly focused
I'm rereading the books and I believe they should have been a trilogy. Books 4 and 5 only introduce many more characters and plotlines that are unnecessary and cumbersome and simply boring, while the main plot doesn't move one inch.
So I don’t actually agree like at all that the series has lost its identity or is unfocused or that it should’ve ended earlier I feel like you could say certain people aren’t in it for the long haul or that George maybe should write faster fine but the idea that the series has somehow become unfocused I think is just ludicrous. Part of the reason that the books are taking so long is because George spends sooooo much time on making the symbolism in literally every chapter perfect. So it’s cool if you’re saying that the books should just come out sooner but when you say that the writing is off or that three story is dragging on unnecessarily I have to say I think you’re wrong about that. Still love the videos tho!
The point about "it's going on too long" is the reason I dropped this series after 4-5 books. There are just so many characters and point of views I lost track of them and just... stop caring.
ASOIAF is not Low Fantasy... Low/High Fantasy has nothing to do with the intensity of magic and magical creatures, unless you're talking about PNP games.
That definition is absolutely inapplicable to literature. And even by that definition GOT could not be considered low fantasy. You have fantastical elements everywhere, starting with the dragons, valyrian steel, the children of the forest, the three eyed raven, the white walkers and the wights, the way seasons work, warging & skinchanging, blood magic, resurrection and everything connected to the red god, wildfire, giants, the wall... I could go on and on. You seriously wanna tell me that ASOIAF has less fantastical elements than LOTR? Or do you think that Lord of the Rings is low fantasy as well, which would be even more ridiculous but atleast it would be consistent.
@@InfidelProductionzDo you have a source for that? And even if: North Korea calls itself Democratic, does it make it Democratic in an open sense? Two of Less than 5% of the series? Have you been watching and reading some different story? Without those elements the story would be unrecognizable. And you should also remember that the tv series is not the same as the books. Human struggles are obviously a huge part of the book series as well, but just because the show decided that Cersei will serve as the "Final Boss" (which was anticlimatic af btw) it does not mean Martin will let the struggle for the Throne be the main conflict. Fantastical elements are omnipresent in pretty much every episode and in more or less every chapter.
I'd respectfully disagree on not George RR Martin owing us a book. He does owe us a book. He owes us two books in fact. He can't just start a hit series millions have become invested in, me included, and just not end it because it became too hard? That is the price of becoming a writer. The fact that the story became too long, creating all sorts of issues is really George's problem and it is mostly a problem he created for himself. He is a person and not a content machine, but that person decided to become a writer.
@@pusonhands I've never said that. You're saying that, probably to discredit me on my stance of a writer who's taken 10 years to write a book for a series that spawned a rushed adaptation with a bad ending now. That is going to be his legacy. Unfinished books & broken show. I'm saying that I don't really care about him anymore.
Then a author start a book serie, he or she enter a moralic contract that he or she will make a good fate attempt to finish it. If not what point is it to buy the frist book before the serie is done.
Omg I had totally forgotten about that, hunger games became super popular, so Hollywood started making movies out of these shitty ass hunger games wannabe books, like divergent and maze runner, and the worst part was that these books and movies became super popular, all thanks to hunger games. People will literally consume anything, no matter how trashy it is just becouse its trendy and popular.
George owes us an ending! He sold his books and the show with the tacit promise of an ending! Him failing to deliver is a travesty to his readers but to writers in general, as now less ppl will be willing to start an unfinished series.
EXACTLY i hate how people say he doesnt owe us anything when he sold us the books he told us we would have 3 then said we would have 5 now 7 he made promises when he sold us the boooks and he dint deliver
Song of Ice and Fire isn't low fantasy. In low fantasy, fantastical elements invade our world. It's dark high fantasy. It has some sword and sorcery elements in it as well, but low fantasy? Far from it.
??? ...wanting fantasy to be grounded and realistic... ??? Not even reality shows are realistic! Hammed for audience approval rating - weird and out the ball park.
