I think the key distinction with “they’re games in universe but the events absolutely happened and are canon because we see hints at them in other games like the cameras in the FNAF 4 house” is that they’ve given themselves a permanent and constantly changing out to soft retcon on the details. Sure there was absolutely a FNAF horror attraction where Springtrap almost certainly was brought and it burned down. But the details of exactly what happened in the FNAF 3 game we played? They can hand wave any of those details away as things the game developer made up as long as the major beats were true. And that bleeds through into parts of VR as well, which makes things incredibly frustrating. That being said I do think you’ve brought up quite a few interesting points here about the other VR mini games and I definitely think they could be valid. The Funtime animatronic levels are the toughest ones for me, but not impossible.
One interesting thing to note is that the models and looks of many animatronic in th fnaf 1-3 minigames aren't the same as the original, and easter eggs and characters such as Golden Freddy, are absent.
Yes! Someone talked about the molten Freddy and ennard Vent repair! I think this is the games showing us how it happened outside of the website. It fits really well imo
This is something I talked about after playing HW for the first time, especially about the Molten Freddy one, it made sense to me back then but everyone dismissed it and told me the minigames weren't real events. I'm glad someone noticed this after 4 years and a half. But speaking of Molten Freddy and FNAF 6 in general, so I was discussing with someone on why I don't believe Mike is the player character in FNaF 2,3 and 4 and how the "I'm going to come and find you" from SL was supposed to tease FNaF 6 and it leads straight to the events of FNAF 6, not FNaF 3. But then suddenly I started wondering what was FNAF 6 planned to be like when Scott was creating that final cutscene in SL. You see, the FNAF 6 that we know about today, the Pizza Simulator one wasn't always the FNAF 6 that Scott was intending to make after he was done with SL, the original FNAF 6 was cancelled because Scott felt bored when he was making it and it's not the kind of game he would want to make and stated that he won't do FNaF anymore at that point in time, as well as confirming he officially deleted his progress of making that game . However, after seeing how upset the fanbase was upset about the news, he gave us some Behind The Scenes images of past FNaF games and a few days the Freddy Files book was announced and someone got it early and revealed that in the final page of that book there was what looks like a teaser image for FNAF 6 and in it was a thin Circus Baby with a claw in her hand and realistic looking hair (we called her Freakshow Baby based on the poster behind her in that teaser image that said Freakshow with a drawing of a creepy clown above it). But then we noticed that in one of the SL BTS images that Scott provided for us on the anniversary that we can see a little bit of Scrap Baby's realistic looking hair and we connected it to the teaser image that was on the page of the Freddy Files book and we speculated that FNAF 6 will take place in a Freakshow Circus themed location. Then a few days later Scott announced he'll be making a game that will make a FNaF game but it will be in a style that he loves and it will be similar to Foxy Fighters from FNAF World. Then a few months later, FFPS was released and obviously, he trolled us and it was indeed a horror game but it was also wacky and fun, the kind of game that Scott enjoys making. After FFPS's release, Scott went on and apologized for how poor the Night Shift gameplay was and how bad the jumpscares were and he explained how he had only a few months to make the game and have it released in time before the year ends since he didn't want to leave us a year without a FNaF game so he had to rush it. There's no particular reason why I'm bringing this up other than me being curious, what was FNAF 6 originally going to be? Was it going to take place in a Freakshow circus themed location? Because the thing is, we do see posters of the Freakshow creepy clown and a Halloween circus themed loacation and we still see them in as recent as Curse of Dreadbear, and they seem to imply the animatronics in FFPS were at some point in that place, which may explain how Scrap Baby recollected herself to turn into what we know of her today, same with Scraptrap since Scott did say the different Springbonnie suit has lore reasons behind it. I feel like this should be called into attention because if I had a question for Scott that's not about the lore, it would be what was FNAF 6 originally going to look like before he cancelled it.
I always thought baby saying “I’ve escaped but I was out back” and all that stuff was her referring to how they were all rented out. Getting a taste of freedom, but being caged again
So people probably already know this, but I think it's awesome that you play as (probably) one of the technicians that died in Sister Location in night 5. You actually start at Fredbear's Family Diner (as seen by the signature Fazbear walls with their chess designs). Then you go down to Baby's Rentals and reach the Breaker Room from Sister Location. (Admittedly with less wires hanging around. But it still got its signature flashing lights). And then you start to descend even further, meaning there's even more room below Baby's Rental (If Help Wanted is entirely Sister Location, we'll probably explore even more down there) until you finally reach the Boiler Room. Normally you think that we burned Ennard, but why would Ennard enter the boiler on his own? The Blacklight mode reveals what actually happened. Ennard is actually still alive and attacks the technician immediately. How does it end? Well.......if you've played Sister Location, you know..... Anyway, I don't think that Help Wanted creates completely accurate depictions of what actually happened back then. But I do think it likely vaguely references events that happened in canon. It's why FNAF 1-3 exist and FNAF 4 doesn't. Cuz that one was a nightmare. Though that does beg the question if Night Terrors are just popular nightmare stories that kids tell each other. It's likely that the Funtimes have tried to escape but kept getting put back. Though they also get rented out for private parties. I figure Baby and Freddy showing up in a house would fit more with the rental aspect than them randomly escaping. Otherwise you'd likely see Funtime Foxy approaching you in a alleyway.
Interesting theories. Some feedback off the top of my head: (1) I was under the impression that Molten Freddy constructed his "Funtime Freddy head" from scraps the same way that Scrap Baby reconstructed her old appearance, but you bring up a great point about the name Molten Freddy kind of coming out of left field. It's definitely intended to mean something. (2) The color of the tiles on the walls in the Plushbaby room suggests to me that this room is in the FNAF 2 location. I've suspected for a long time that the FNAF 2 location was originally opened as Circus Baby's Pizza World based on Baby's description of her one time on stage in Sister Location (she was in a small party room with music coming from down a long hallway). (3) I think the most interesting part of Ennard's Vent Repair level is the room that you start in. I think it's pretty clearly meant to be in the FNAF 1 location (again, due to the tile pattern). But if that room is canon, that would mean either that Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rental is so vast that it has elevators to both Fredbear's Family Diner and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza or that the Crying Child was bit at Freddy's not Fredbear's.
It looks similar, but it's not the same room. The prize counter in the main hub has the FNAF 1 tile pattern (black and white tiles with a red border), but the Plushbaby minigame has the FNAF 2 pattern (black and green tiles with a black border).
Wall tiles actually. And using them as evidence of which pizzeria we're in isn't even a little bit of a stretch. Steel Wool kept the same patterns that were used in the original FNAF 1 and FNAF 2, only changing the number of tiles in the stripe, presumably because they're using higher resolution textures than Scott did. They even differentiated Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place by its wall tile pattern. Which they definitely didn't have to do since fully upgrading the floor plan in FNAF 6 gave the walls the classic FNAF 1 stripe. But instead of that, the Pizza Place under the Pizzaplex uses the design of the intermediate floorplan from FNAF 6 with the half-wall of tiles.
i bet some people will use the night terrors baby level as evidence for elizabeth first and the funtime freddy one being used for the mm theory that fuhnaff did
Not a bad video. I do have my own things to add. About why the SL animatronics are in the Fnaf 4 mini games. Here’s an idea. Have it’s ever occurred to you that Nightmare Animatronics might be the SL animatronics in disguise? That could be what HW is trying to tell us. Or that the two groups have a connection to one another. I mean kinda fits. Both allusion disks & the Funtimes belong to Afton. It’s also very convenient to use them together. Plus some of the Funtimes do fit with Nightmares. Examples being Funtime & Nightmares Freddy having similar build. So does Funtime Foxy & Nightmare Foxy. Now for Nightmares Fredbear. There two possible Funtimes who could match him. The first one being Cicrus Baby and the 2nd is Ennard. Both of them are tall like 7ft and their bellies/mid sections open up. NM Fredbear real identity could also match be Ennard. I say this because has anyone noticed how similar theirs gameplay is? Both are like 1 on 1 boss fights. Also Fredbear main gimmick is that he’s a plays like a mix/combination of the previous Nightmares. And what is Ennard? A combination of the Funtimes in one body. You see where this is going? Plus Ennard is also tall like NMFredbear. Speaking of connections between the gameplay of Fnaf 4 & Fnaf SL. Anyone notice that’s the Fnaf 4 bedroom also some similar to the secret office in SL. I know popular saying I’d that Fnaf 1 office has similarities to the bed room. Which I’ll give it to y’all I do see it. It’s true. But so does the Secret Office tho. Cause look at how it’s set up. During the Ennard boss fight you have 2 doors on your left and right. Like in Fnaf 4 you have 2 doors to your bedroom. But there’s also a closet in front of you for Foxy pop out and get you. Now secret office doesn’t have a closet but it’s does have something in front of you. A door that is connected to the vents. So both rooms have 3 entrances for animatronics to get ya. Does everyone here see where my logic is heading?
Keep in mind, Baby/Elizabeth lies so her saying "I don't recognize you" when it's clear the Funtimes and ALL the animatronics think Michael is his father. She's trying to gain his trust here.
I agree that she was lying, but she ACTED like they'd never encountered each other before, so if she was lurking in his bedroom previously trying to kill him I don't think that would be a very effective lie
@@ImpulseEvan37 True, but Michael was also having tons of stress and nightmares so he could have brushed it off as his brain remembering Circus Baby from when she was first built and just lumped her in with all his other nightmares.
I think baby is completely lying about not recognizing Michael, because she lies to him throughout the entire game and not recognizing him is an integral part in her whole deception. There’s no way she wouldn’t recognize her own brother from being possessed by Elizabeth.
But it’s clear that she does recognize him from how much she leads him on with lies, even telling him additional stories (when you enter circus gallery) that she wouldn’t tell a random person. She orchestrated this plan from the start and pretended not to know Michael to trick him.
Yeah, I think the Crying Child saw Funtime Freddy and Circus Baby at one point. My speculative headcanon has always been Fazbear Ent got their hands on damaging psychiatric reports from Michael and the Crying Child to prevent any chance of a release to the public, and those psychiatric reports became the basis of Night Terrors.
One point to bluster Greg vr theory the programmer could be Ven. Helpies playing the gamers could be symbolic of Gregory. MNM confirms that enerd came into he house threw the front door.
One rebuttal to your mangle idea. The mangle levels could not have happened at the pizza Plex then been added to the VR game. The reason they could build the pizza Plex was from the money that the Freddy Fazbear’s virtual experience, and the Fazbear fun time service made them.
Absolutely not true as the Pizzaplex started construction literally immediately after fnaf 6, and the vr game went through multiple development teams leaving plenty of time for events at the not yet opened Pizzaplex to be added to the game
Also, i know i was so late to comment on this video but when i'm binge watch Matpat play HW, Matpat bring up a question about its strange that there is funtime animatronic in FNaF 4 bedroom. I know that we all know it was MAYBE because Dittophobia, but yeah just want to bring it up
You have to also remember that Baby is a liar and was pretending to not know who Michael was... Especially since she 100% knows who he is looking for in the Ennard night. (Meaning she knew Michael from the get go and was pretending to not know in order to lure Michael).
I know that, but what I was saying was that If we played as Mike in her minigame, then she would have seen him before, and Mike would’ve known that, so If that was before sister location (which it would have to be) then the lie wouldn’t make any sense because they would’ve already seen each other
There's a problem with saying the Funtime Freddy head was broken and used as the Molten Freddy is that the Blob has the mostly intact heads of Funtime Freddy and Circus Baby. Springtrap also never showed up to CBEAR, as in the cutscene Springtrap is in the ruins of Fazbear's Fright, and there's no evidence of a Mangle appearing in the Pizzaplex. I don't think any of the events in HW happened as real events aside from the murder recreation and Afton merging with Vanessa, as there's a lot of things that just don't make sense. Plus what you called Dark Springtrap in HW isn't Dark Springtrap. It's normal Springtrap. Dark Springtrap is missing the iconic ear wire, and his pants (pelvic casing of the suit), that Springtrap isn't. It's plain old Springtrap.
You're not a MikeGuard believer? But his name is literally on Hand Unit. Also in the custome night ending cutscene, he literally says "It's me, Michael" and talks about how the Animatronics thought he was William (which is why Ennard keeps imitating Elizabeth's voice saying "I know it was an accident" to earn William's trust & "Daddy, why won't you let me play with her?"), and how "I should be dead, but I'm not" (referring to him getting scooped).
You said that springtrap came to the SL facility and porbably there was another springbonnie suit down there. But HEAR ME OUT, in night four from SL we get put by Baby into a... you get it, a SPRINGLOCK SUIT. So its possible this suit is a springbonnie suit!
ooo ooo just a thought first one i know its the least likely but since we know that Gabrial was the one we see getting lured in fnaf hw what if we play as him or rather his spirit in parts of the game most likely not just an idea number two is that i what if in the one with fnaf 4 in hw that's when micheal see's fredbear so its not a simulation we're just seeing what he had to deal with that could explain why he see's him but canonically we play as cc in fnaf 4 but we could play as micheal in that specific game mode just a thought and idea i don't fully believe this but its something to think about
Regarding your thing at the top of the video - yeah, there is still something that really bugs me about that game. We *probably* play as Vanessa but man, something just feels so off. Honestly the Gregory thing could totally be true. And we still don't know what the deal with Tape Girl was. Maybe we'll find out more in Help Wanted 2. In terms of the actual theory, yeah, that's totally possible. The Fnaf 6 designs always struck me as a bit odd following Sister Location. Sister Location ends with one endo - Ennard - and no casings (unless you count Mike XD) But Fnaf 6 has two endos and two casings implying *something* happened between the two games that probably involved returning to the bunker and weirdly being burned. So yeah, could totally see that.
I tried to think they were canon events in my playthrough of the game but I thought to myself "No, Ennard's Vent Repair wouldn't be possible, Ennard left the Sister Location intact." Which made me completely disregard the levels as being canon. However, I never considered the idea that this was how he became Molten Freddy, and it actually makes a lot of sense. So yeah after re-thinking it through, I would say yes, they're real events. The whole in universe point of the game was to make people think these events weren't real, and to just toss it aside as a game, which would heavily imply they were real and the Fazbear Virtual Experience was a cover up for them.
I love your vids so much and I know it's off topic, but I'd love to see you do summary videos for the rest of the fazbear frights books you never did like the first 6
huh? are you sure you're short in VR? ive seen playthroughs a number of times and to me you dont exactlly look short, most things are at a reasonable height compared to you, maybe in some offices you look short cuz you're supposed to be seated ig? maybe it's just that the animatronics are considerably larger than people expected them to be, but scale in video games is always a rather odd thing, and VR games generally make things feel a lot bigger than flatscreen games, because you have a better point of reference (your own height and body movement) instead of relying on FOV and game movement speeds
as for the actual theory, i find a lot of it interested but good chunks are rather improbable. the parts about some minigames actually taking place in the real pizzaplex and being based on that is, well, extremely unlikely. mostly because VR is made before the pizzaplex is built, cant exactly make a game out of an even that has yet to happen as for molten freddy being actually burned? idk, i guess it's could be, although the molten name seems to mainly refer to how they look like they are melting, they lack physical structure and are mostly a loose bunch of wires with a shattered face that also kinda looks droopy. he could still have been burned at some point but his name makes sense regardless 'dark' springtrap returning to sister location for a new body might also be possible, he likely went somewhere to get that body, so it could be sister location i suppose, but it could as well been any other freddy's location that still had a suit in the sealed off back room (and him causing hallucinations seems to fit alright)
Where the fuck, go you get Gabriel in fnaf vr... lol Dark springtrap doesnt exist Also... you are very welcome for giving you this theory... un willingly... lol
You play as a child who gets lured by SpringBonnie and gets stuffed into Freddy, and the kid who gets stuffed into freddy is Gabriel. Where lies the confusion
@@ImpulseEvan37 so... every child that gets stuffed in freddy is gabriel? Plus this is a vr game... saying it is an implication is still a stretch... but even if you are proven wrong, you go back to 'whatever, its still my theory' So again, you can play with your headcanon all you want to... but i just call out anything that you think is implied by fact, when it isnt fact...
@@zavoywilliams3313 not entirely... also, if you want to go through my comment history... have at it. There are things that I've said durring the original games, that are being made things now. Also as it pertained to anyone else... there are certain things that I say to people... and then they make a video about it later... mostly, I wouldnt take credit for someone else's work... plus in fnaf, the popular tubers just copy eachother... I bring up things people don't make videos about... then they do... do the research... same as this one... find what I said prior. Don't act like I'm being salty for anyone copying me... im not a video maker... but the whole point is to put ideas together, to build commonly agreed upon theories. The tubers are the mouthpieces, that end up saying the same things as the others... ive explained this to Evan before... he says theories are just theories, and I say that if you claim to make the idea, and make a video about it, it is still your headcanon, made into video history... so zavoywilliams, you are just pointing it out further. Also, most lore is made up by RU-vidrs like matpat... and some of us agree, he is wrong... alot. And I guess if you call anyone that makes vids 'successful'... well it's an opinion, I guess... just because I think of things before anyone makes a video about it, doesn't mean it's mine or theirs... the point is finding the info, and getting it out there... you are the delusional ones...
