What Went Wrong? - CodeHatch

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What Went Wrong with CodeHatch, Starforge, Reign of Kings and Heat? This is a "short" look into the portfolio of an indie development studio who has dropped the ball massively over the past decade. CodeHatch have been called many things, scammers, con-artists, but to me they seem incapable of making good decisions and have succeeded in abandoning every game besides Play Form: Human Dynamics.
CodeHatch, failed the following projects.
Starforge: This game had promise but only on paper, they boast a lot of experience in game development but none of it showed. Starforge released as an unforgivable, unforgettable and unfinished disaster that was so bad that it had to be taken off of Steam.
Reign of Kings: This was a fun game that a lot of people enjoyed, but was just abandoned. Left to waste by hackers due to how poorly built the game was. Reign of Kings could've been something if they stuck to it or sold it on.
Heat: This game is what happens when you copy and paste a game, hoping for the same results. Typically unoptimized and barely playable to most. This game clearly shows that they prioritise looks over substance with "better" graphics. Failing to see that people just wanted another RoK, not Heat.
0:00 - Intro
1:30 - CodeHatch
2:49 - Starforge Recap
8:37 - Reign of Kings
18:19 - Heat
26:30 - Latest Game / Conclusion

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@scottgrey3337 Год назад

CodeHatch reeks of the kind of people who fall in love in an idea, only to drop it for the next fun concept when they realize how much effort it’ll take

@MythicOneOne Год назад

Reminds me of Digital Extremes and Warframe, except Warframe is still kicking and loved by many and nowhere near as "hype-chasing" as these guys, only sometimes lol.

@bfitz5610 Год назад

shit i think i dated codehatch

@vizthex Год назад

@@MythicOneOne wait, how's it remind you of Warframe? cuz they kept supporting it & still do.

@CrystalMethEnjoyer Год назад

ADHD - The game studio

@pete5516 Год назад

@@vizthex because they try to do everything and keep going in different directions. Conservation, open worlds with village areas like Cetus that feel empty and desolate because they didn’t add any detail. Railjack, removing raids, controversial nerfs that seem to contradict the way they designed the game in the first place, yet it takes them years to get around to doing it. I could go on, yeah DE are truly great but they definitely have some management issues and keep trying to do too much instead of choosing a core idea and building on it.

@RepostCollection Год назад

This goes to show that +10 years of experience doesn't mean you're good at your job It just means that you've been doing your job for +10 years

@temmieandchara Год назад

Imagine working for 10 years and not improving 💀

@oatmealman1586 Год назад

Nice keadonger pfp.

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

@@temmieandchara That’s “keep your head down” mentality in a lot of cases, just doing what you know works and not trying to think outside the box too much (keeping your head down and doing the work, in other words) but that’s not what these guys are doing, else they wouldn’t be SO ambitious all the time. In this case, it’s just incompetence. If ten years of being stuck on a skill plateau was just them trying to pull in money without being too crazy, maybe playing it smart and putting out smaller products in order to build up funding and knowledge for a future big project, then I could forgive a lot of this video, but because they’re always trying to punch above their weight class, I can’t throw them that bone.

@troodon1096 Год назад

Reminds me of a Japanese saying: "Do not be fooled by a craftsman that claims they have 20 years of experience, when they really only have had one year of experience, 20 times."

@arandomcommenter412 Год назад

@@oatmealman1586 I hate how you knew the artist and I also did.

@R.JoshField Год назад

Showed their first two games to my professor when I was in school for game dev. He decided to use them in a lecture. He told us something along the lines of "this is the quality I expect from your projects here in school. If you try to charge people money for something like this, expect a call from me."

@Dr.Oofers Год назад

So he’s saying that these feel more like test/junior projects, rather than actual games? Dang.

@IHMyself 8 месяцев назад

That's hilarious. 😂

@Krejii05 8 месяцев назад

John wick of game development

@BloodChampagne 5 месяцев назад

As a game dev student, I had the same thought. "I could do this" lol

@erieriderschillingcorner1595 3 месяца назад

@@hamtero sure, everything's bs on the net. Can't believe anyone right? Actually this whole video is bs. There is no codehatch, there are no games and WickedWiz doesn't actually exist.

@yomibeatzzz4221 Год назад

The Four Horseman of the EARLY ACCESS Apocalypse: SURVIVAL, CRAFTING, OPEN WORLD and of course who can forget, "SMALL" DEV TEAM. Classic. Gets me everytime.

@LoganHunter82 Год назад

So true

@R3_Live Год назад

I disagree. That's an insult to games that fit that description but actually do deliver a good experience. Valheim, for instance.

@yomibeatzzz4221 Год назад

@@R3_Live well of course you'll find a diamond in the rough eventually.. but the amount of shit EA games with the same description is absurd at this point.

@trianglemoebius Год назад

@@R3_Live It's not a question of if the games have them, it's how they are presented. While not all games made with a vision are good, all games made without one are bad, and if one has a vision, you'll have a concrete enough of idea of your product to sell it. Things like survival, crafting, open world, and 'small' dev teams are extremely vague concepts, and extremely common ones - both Minecraft and World of Warcraft are open world, for example, yet share very little overall in common. If a developer is actually going into game-making with a vision for their product, none of those four things are going to be its primary selling point. They'll be mentioned as applicable, of course, but when was the last time you saw a game (since Minecraft) where the PRIMARY selling points were any of those things and it ended up being something other than cloneware, at best?

@FlyingNinjaish Год назад

@@R3_Live They're the Cursed Ruins. That's how curses work - sometimes they're nothing, other times it melts your faces off.

@Divert486 Год назад

This studio has made three products that became abandonware despite having good reception and strong community support. An absolute disgrace of a studio that borders a scam. I hope you didnt go easy on them.

@flashbackfrank8781 Год назад

A story all to common, especially with na companies with kr parent companies.

@MontyDotharl Год назад

I don't think it's even close to being a scam. Not remotely. It's more like they aim too high and can't focus properly. At no point does it feel like they set out with the intention to just take people's money and run. I get the impression more that they very much wanted to make these games and make them well, but lack the ability to do so for various reasons. And then they come up with a new idea and figure they'll drop the one that flopped and try again but the pattern repeats.

@patrickmcpartland1398 Год назад

@@MontyDotharl You can't really give them the benefit of the doubt when they have done it 3 times in a row.

@MontyDotharl Год назад

@@patrickmcpartland1398 I can, and I will. I've seen enough actual scams to tell. The fact that they actually put out functioning games makes it clear this isn't a scam. Maybe the games suck and they aren't what was promised, but they exist. Which is more than actual scams like Dreamworld, most NFT shit, etc. can say. And how many times have larger companies gotten away with doing this same exact sort of thing over and over and over? That's basically industry standard now. The only difference is Code Hatch is much smaller, so everything is more open and personal.

@thomasphillips885 Год назад

I think they just don't have any long-term plans for their games. Once they're "done" in their eyes, they drop it and move onto the next thing.

@Zarvanis Год назад

The way they make games reminds me of myself in a strange way. I get incredibly passionate about a subject, obsess over it for months, then completely lose interest and move on to something else. Except I'm not a game developer letting thousands of people down by my changing interests.

@PapaPercules Год назад

Nothing wrong with a harmless ornithology phase!

@aless7125 Год назад

Same here, it is so much fun starting out new and building it up for a while

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

I’m pretty similar, myself. It’s why I’ve stopped publishing anything that I write on the internet, because while I’ll typically never forget the idea, I _will_ eventually get tired of focusing on it and want to think about something else, and then I’ll get tired of that and go back to the first idea for a bit before I get bored again and move on, again, ad infinitum. It means that I rarely, if ever, finish any project that I’m working on, so I figure it’s better to just keep it to myself and not set people up for disappointment in the first place. EDIT: A lot of people are chiming in about ADHD - pretty sure that’s not my situation. I can knuckle down and focus pretty easily when called on to do so, and while I do often experience boredom or get a bit fidgety, it’s never to the degree that I feel like it’s something going on upstairs. I’m pretty sure it leans more to the other angle people have mentioned, the depression angle. I’ve never been formally diagnosed, but I would be a fool to pretend that I don’t have some symptoms of at least a mild depressive state.

@ba-ey1hu Год назад

Yeah I can relate, at least I'm not underpaying developers or scamming thousands so there's that I guess

@Ukieson Год назад

I'm the same way

@PrinceLuigii Год назад

I wonder if Code Hatch should have been a company that sells proof of concept games to companies who can actually do what needs to be done to make it a full game. There is a business to be had for this. I know many companies that buy into such.

@vizthex Год назад

Agreed. And we know they're able to make a basic dev prototype which they could show off to potential buyers.

@SecuR0M Год назад

The one kind of game we need less of is generic survival games.

@teaghanotto3465 Год назад

@@SecuR0M yeah, but they're fun

@Darkoriax17 Год назад

If you wanna go the proof of concept route they basically gave No Man’s Sky proof of concept and now it’s a fantastic game.

@SirBlackReeds 10 месяцев назад

Like Comcept?

@Jame5man Год назад

This studio treats games the same way I treat my Crusader Kings save files.

@Lantern_Larry Год назад

This is me having never technically beaten a bethesda/obsidian game.

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

@@Lantern_Larry Hundreds of Dragonborns, and not a single damn one has made it to Sovngarde

@AreGeeBee 6 месяцев назад

@@zyriantel9601God, so true. Hell, fair few never even know they're dovahkiin before they get obliviated.

@deathbybiscuit Год назад

I'm gonna be honest, all 3 of those games looked like super basic asset flips. I'm genuinely surprised they were positively received and had an audience.

@RoomerJ Год назад

Right? I was thinking the same thing. Even the HEAT game just looks like a game using the new Unity pre-made assets.

@planescaped Год назад

For the first game, it was a different time, people weren't as aware of such things at the time. By Reign of Kings yeah, people should've know better...

@theneosuperzero Год назад

Most people who like it doesn't care about the graphics, but the concepts. It's the whole point of the video and has been repeatedly emphasised throughout the video. It's the same as you play 2d side scroller game.

@RoomerJ Год назад

@@theneosuperzero Man there's Nes side scrollers that look VASTLY superior to this game. Your point makes no sense.

@557deadpool Год назад

@@theneosuperzero imagine loving an idea instead of how well that idea was implemented. Also there are fucking flash 2D side scrollers that look and play better than this

@mayzydayz611 Год назад

The graphics of Heat look like when you apply a really heavy reshade preset to an old game. Just slapping stuff on top to try and make it look HD will work to some degree, but in the end it's still Codehatch assets underneath.

@flow185 Год назад

The defective edition

@soultaker2254 Год назад

By "codehatch assets" you mean unity asset store assets, as most of their assets from starforge and reign of kings were just unity asset store assets.

@mayzydayz611 Год назад

@@soultaker2254 that makes sense, they don't seem the sort of company that actually makes stuff themselves. Plus they seem to have no idea that they're doing with assets whatsoever.

@damjanp7920 Год назад

yeah, and the fact it required a high end pc while looking that shitty and outdated...

@ourgoldenspires Год назад

@@flow185 GOD

@matthosscomedy Год назад

At the start of my evening, I didn't know who wickedwiz was. It's now 11pm and I'm going to get "Overpromised and underdelivered" tattooed on my chest. I've binged so many of these videos. They are riveting. Thanks for all the great work on this series. Really engaging stuff.

@WickedWiz Год назад

You’ve made the promise, now you can’t underdeliver!

@matthosscomedy Год назад

@@WickedWiz oh god.

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

@@matthosscomedy See what your hubris has wrought

@aaronbeardsell4964 Год назад

Be careful, or he'll be a man of his word and stand on you.

@matthosscomedy Год назад

@@aaronbeardsell4964 Oh no, not again!!!

@RubberMayhaps Год назад

It's hilarious how the game they abandoned the quickest was their most popular.

@Deadguy2322forreal 3 месяца назад

Well, the abandonment would naturally affect their subsequent level of success, logically.

@TrevorZero Год назад

After Star Forge I genuinely thought this company dropped off the face of the earth I had no idea they made three other games lol

@Gatorade69 Год назад

Three other bangers !

@liamzakhaev Год назад

@@Gatorade69 absolute cap

@ConorHil Год назад

Same here, I knew one of the founders personally. He used to come into the restaurant I worked at and drank at the bar and we talked several times. He even gave me a few free copies of StarForge but I barely played it because it was abandoned shortly after

@HaircombMan Год назад

Me too

@blizyon30fps86 Год назад

@@liamzakhaev in the right hands reign of kings could have been a rust alternative

@Siniquitous Год назад

Finally finding their footing with ROK only to drop it and move on to the next thing only to fumble that as well. You'd think they wouldve held onto the small bit of success they found and treasure that, especially after the issues with their first game. Truly bizarre

@mechanomics2649 Год назад

I cannot wrap my head around their decision to drop and move on from RoK. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

@Loderyod Год назад

"space boring, want knights!" "knights boring, want cowboys!" Their decisions are reminiscent of one's toddlers make when choosing a toy

@spookyscarylamppost3431 Год назад

@@Loderyod So you're telling me the babies in Heat are self inserts?!

@machinatingminotaur6285 Год назад

they probably couldn't figure out how to keep the money coming in, really

@slightlyaboveaveragebutaverage Год назад

They kept at it for years after the game died, though. Would you keep showing up to a job every day that doesn't pay? They could have ignored the issues and focused more on just features that sell. It's safe to say they don't really know what they're doing, but they at least tried to maintain it for several years.

@SophieSquid Год назад

To me, this just feels like if an entire video game studio had adhd. Starts off interested in an idea, attention span runs out, oooo look at this other cool idea we wanna do instead let's do that.

@oz_jones Год назад

SQUIRREL

@SophieSquid Год назад

@@oz_jones WHAT *WHERE?!*

@ceinwenchandler4716 9 месяцев назад

It's that they have no self-control. Or perhaps they get overwhelmed by the current project and wimp out. The planning process is, after all, the easiest part.

@simonmalmstrom9593 Год назад

Reign of kings is such a sad story, like I remember watching Vanossgaming play it and being absolutely amazed at how fun it actually looked and that they seemed to have had a blast so hearing how it was then just abandoned is just sad :(

@brigandboy1425 Год назад

Over-promise, under-deliver. This is the hallmark of the incompetent, and the dishonest.

@Gatorade69 Год назад

I see CDPR took a page from the Codehatch dev book for Cyberpunk 2077.

@onomatopoeia7505 Год назад

DreamWorld, Earth2, everything from Ubisoft, and indeed, CDPR with Cyberpunk.

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

@@onomatopoeia7505 Don’t forget Anthem. Not even Bioware is safe from this pitfall.

@widjayagohpeircess5777 Год назад

early no mans sky as well, in fact the similarities of Starforge & NMS is rather similar glad Hello Games made an attempt to actually improve the game unlike Code}{atch

@icycrusader1947 Год назад

@@widjayagohpeircess5777 I need to get back to playing it again but I can say that NMS is interesting and hopefully will have continued support. Only thing I had disliked the last time I played was lacking ship customization in terms of aesthetics, lack of things that keep people around between updates, and difficulty of pairing terrain manipulation with the base building especially at sea-level.

@TheClintonio Год назад

I'm a software engineer and ex-game dev and I am astounded that they had such major security issues with their game. Normally it would be the producers/directors/POs/etc pushing you to cut corners and "deliver now" over worrying about security, but two programmers starting a game studio should know better. Though, if I had to make another guess I suspect they are not skilled at API design and to save on server side performance did more processing client side than they should have, and probably worse - they likely did not validate inputs sufficiently. I know for real time games validating and doing everything server-side leads to rubber-banding and other performance problems but honestly, they should have been able to build something better.

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

What’s damning to me is their claims of 10+ years of doing this. Over a decade of supposed experience and yet all this shit that got explained in the video keeps happening. There are one-man indie devs who have their shit more on the ball than this.

@pete5516 Год назад

Apparently they’re owned by a Korean parent company. This makes sense because in Korea your identity is much easier to track via online activity. So if you get caught cheating and banned, that’s it you’re done with that game. Korean companies therefor have no idea what security and anti cheat are because they just ban people and be done with it.

@kenjutsukata1o1 Год назад

@@zyriantel9601 Years of experience doesn't mean competence. I've met people fresh out of school who are wizards in programming, and people who've been in the industry for decades who can't code their way out of a serial box.

@aleksandertrubin4869 Год назад

@@zyriantel9601TBF, maybe they didn't do any development on online games, and there are high-profile online games like Minecraft and VRChat that do a lot of processing client-side

@Gzalzi Год назад

This is exactly what's happened to Escape From Tarkov as well.

@TenthSgtSnipes Год назад

Hearing “they went ahead with easy anti cheat” followed by “hacking was still a big problem” is the least surprised I’ve ever been. Such a terrible cheap piece of software that devs keep implementing despite its flaws

@blizyon30fps86 Год назад

It’s not easy anti cheats fault, it’s how it’s implemented and used within most games that makes it bad, I can name numerous games that use it and have a minimum hacker problem

@herpderp3131 Год назад

AC dont work automatically you know...

@Annoye Год назад

@@blizyon30fps86name one

@blizyon30fps86 Год назад

@@Annoye fortnite currently

@Annoye Год назад

@@blizyon30fps86 Good joke. I chilling with IOCTL, I make a good bread on fn.

@Nico_SL312 Год назад

The code hatch cycle: - Make game with the money you got from the previous game - Update it ALOT for like 2 weeks. - Forget about the game for like an entire decade - Remember it exists and update it like once? Maybe twice if the playerbase isnt noisy? - Tell people the game is finally coming out - Dont release the game - Repeat

@Edgeworth99 Год назад

In a weird way, I almost prefer the videos that are about scams/developers being terrible. Seeing how things can crumble beneath well-intentioned, honest devs is a fascinating look into the industry, but it's also rather depressing to watch at times.

@djurrenlabs8449 Год назад

It's a bit more intriguing to watch. The closest analogy would be a car crash. You know it's horrific, but you can't just look away.

@damjanp7920 Год назад

@@djurrenlabs8449 or true crime

@no64256 Год назад

Plus It's always a good idea to hear about how things go wrong. Learning from successful projects and practices is only half the equation

@alex_zetsu Год назад

Honestly I'm a bit tired of videos on scam developers simply because almost all of them are the same. Just go watch Callum Upton's videos, they're all boring. At least when people are a bunch of incompetent dodos, they can fail in different ways. Or in the case of CodeHatch, it seems they never learn from their mistakes, but at least other incompetent devs make different mistakes. Honest but incompetent devs can be depressing to watch, but its more entertaining than the videos about scams.

@Thebdippy Год назад

"Well-intentioned" maybe "Honest" probably not

@irkalla100 Год назад

Reign of Kings. I had some of the best multi-player survival experience with randos in that game. Had no idea Heat was a thing. After RoK I was done with anything codehatch touched.

@cyonu5675 Год назад

Honestly wish I play Reign of Kings when it came out bc it sounds like it was an awesome time

@anonamarth4291 Год назад

@@cyonu5675 Honestly? It was fun, even solo. But then you had hackers, and it became a thing of "Why the fuck would I even bother making anything when they can just delete it instantly while I'm not there?"

@jade4781 Год назад

@@cyonu5675 some of the best laughs were had, Nothing like sneaking up on the king wrapping a noose around his neck then taking both of you to hell by jumping off a bridge.

@R.JoshField Год назад

I keep an eye out for Sworin and Smelly in case they ever decide to rebrand.

@Rin8Kin Год назад

It's like those artists that learn the color and shading, but get bored to learn anatomy, and then wondering why people call their creations abominations, while they shaded so perfectly...

@candy-ninja Год назад

Even though their drawings are messed up anatomically I still like many of them because they have this weird, creepy charm. Codehatch just makes a basic concept and abandons it when they get people hooked

@trentbrownstone1481 Год назад

The contours!

@TheCencc 7 месяцев назад

😊😊⁰0

@dc9662 Год назад

To answer the question, "What went wrong?" People didn't learn from The Scorpion and the Frog. They'll keep stinging you because it's their nature. Maybe stop giving them your money?

@BottomBunkArt Год назад

Given the sizable number of people who continue to defend the games and the developers in the comment section of this video, it seems people are just unwilling to admit or recognize when they’ve been conned

@NineSun001 Год назад

Well said, but sadly even this youtuber bought everything they "developed"

@Uzicide Год назад

I'd love to see a deep dive on ENDLESS Dungeon. That game has been in development for a decade, and there have been NO updates.

@PhailRaptor Год назад

Kinda looks like they are doing a full reboot. As per ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aJNRzHeZKPg.html same gameplay loop, completely different visuals. Seems to be the same title, though.

@FelisImpurrator Год назад

Uhh... They just released a temporary playtest a month or two back that people could sign up for. It ain't dead.

@Csylunmew Год назад

couldve sworn endless dungeon got announced on the latest nintendo direct

@damjanp7920 Год назад

more like endless development haha gottem

@zyriantel9601 Год назад

“Standing, in fact, _melting,_ on your CPU” So YOU’RE the reason my computer is running slow!

@ek7713 Год назад

The Reign of Kings segment weirdly brought so much nostalgia/deja vu. Not just from playing the game myself, but from watching HUGE youtubers like Vanossgaming playing it. It was actually so fun.

@robertkerr4199 Год назад

I live in Edmonton, and the guys from Code Hatch used to hang out at our hackerspace. They would always come in looking for free gear, and brag about Starforge. Then one day someone asked about the Juno situation. A tantrum was thrown, and we never saw them again. Maybe I'll go downtown and knock on the door.. see what they're up to. Or not... I am pretty lazy.. and disabled... but mostly lazy

@itsjustme8947 Год назад

Hey, it sounds like they have good weed if your disability would benefit from that..........

@R.JoshField Год назад

Handouts, bragging, and public tantrums. This all sounds so completely on brand for those two. I hope to never meet them.

@WhiteDragon103 Год назад

Ahem. I am one of those devs. Are you referring to the game dev meetups hosted by Logan Foster in that old brick building downtown or, previously, at the pub that was originally on 84th Ave and 109th St? I am honestly disillusioned by this story. We might have bragged on some occasions, sure, being young and stupid and drunk on what was at the time fame. But, free gear, juno, tantrums? Please refresh my memory. Juno certainly wasn't mentioned, as that crap storm happened after we stopped going regularly. But if I recall correctly, the expereince of going to these meetups have been nothing short of overwhelmingly supportive, constructive and pleasant for everyone I interacted with. If you're nearby, I can buy you a coffee at Tim's. Perhaps we can discuss current projects and catch up.

@trentbrownstone1481 Год назад

@@WhiteDragon103 get em!

@the_dark_jumper2211 Год назад

Personally, I hate the "games as a service" model. It encourages excessively grindy systems, predatory mtx or otherwise bad game-design. I don't recall a single GAAS game that I have fond memories of. All that remains is burnout and a bunch of games I never want to touch again.

@Gatorade69 Год назад

Splitgate ? I guess that could be considered games as a service. It has easy to do daily challenges, pretty easy to unlock drops and they are not stingy with them. I went and bought the battlepass because I was enjoying it so much and wanted to support the devs. Without spending any money on the game (it's free 2 play) I already had a lot of epic or nice items. All items are only cosmetic and do not effect gameplay. Really It's the right way to do a system like that. If you are buying stuff It's only cause you want your character or weapons to look cool. Lots of fun for an arena shooter and more people need to play it. Really the only game with a battlepass that I can say I really F***in enjoy.

@the_dark_jumper2211 Год назад

@@Gatorade69 I tend to avoid pvp shooters - because I suck at them. (I was fairly into Evolve when it was still going, but playing with friends doesn't really count) My horrible mouse-aim aside, I'm pretty sure the main issue is my inability to strategize (guess what: I also avoid strategy games like the plague) The game looks neat, odd that I've never heard of it, given the number of positive reviews.

@JohnZombi88 Год назад

@@Gatorade69 if your game has a battle pass system or loot crates it's shit.

@joseantoniovargas6548 Год назад

Four months late but a GAAS that has NAILED it is called Deep Rock Galactic, each season is bringing new content into the game, new weapons, skins and upgrades are implemented. Yes there are mtx but those are all cosmetics and you can still own a huge chunk of cosmetics for free just by playing and no it's not pay to win and it's entirely coop

@JUSTANOREO555 Год назад

Glad to see your not quitting the What Went Wrong Series Wiz! 💪

@AdminAbuse Год назад

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@JUSTANOREO555 Год назад

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@dquigga328 Год назад

@@AdminAbuse yo'rue*

@Gatorade69 Год назад

@@AdminAbuse ure. Oh I forgot. U're.

@MachineSupremacy Год назад

@@Gatorade69 ura ura 🐒

@wesleyward5901 Год назад

This is a prime example of why most developers stick to one game, finish it, and *then* move on to the next big title. It stops them from leaving a game half finished and abandoned. Of course that doesn't mean they can't go back and add more small updates like bug fixes, but it helps from getting completely sidetracked by a new project.

@fratercontenduntocculta8161 Год назад

A “graphics heavy” game not many people can play is also known as “poor optimization”. This and many other devs I’ve seen is why I always do my homework before making any kind of contribution monetary or effort wise. Thanks Wiz!

@SatchelGizmo Год назад

Great video as always, but, speaking from an outsider's perspective who has never personally played any of these games, I think you went too easy on them at the end. While you didn't exactly endorse their new game, you talked about it with a pretty hopeful lens, suggesting that maybe this will be the game where CodeHatch finally learns from their mistakes and makes something good. I don't think they deserve that sentiment at all. Not after proving three times over that they're a shitty developer that would rather abandon their projects before they're actually ready than to commit to making anything with some semblance of polish. From watching your videos and others like them, I can say that CodeHatch makes janky, ugly, unpolished games with decent concepts and abandons them whenever they arbitrarily decide that the game is "done." They do not deserve any amount of trust moving forward, and I would hate if someone watched this video and ended up buying their new game (only to be disappointed) because they thought it showed promise like you said. I've already seen at least one comment on this video saying the new game looks fun. Point is, I don't think anyone should ever buy anything from this developer in early access. In my opinion, CodeHatch does not deserve a fourth chance.

@Gatorade69 Год назад

Three strikes and you're out. They have proven they can't be trusted.

@TaoScribble Год назад

Yeah, I immediately got the impression that they're using early access as a shield.

@FelisImpurrator Год назад

Nah, I think the ending is exactly what it should be. So much of this supposed moral outrage about these guys just seems incredibly overblown, for the sole reason that people want to be suspicious and attribute malice.

@TaoScribble Год назад

@@FelisImpurrator With all due respect, considering the track record provided, you sound incredibly naive.

@troodon1096 Год назад

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me four times, honestly I kind of deserve it at this point...

@staris3712 Год назад

I got a weird fall guys vibe with the new game, so makes me wonder if multiplayer had been planned and the scope got pulled back.

@LOC-Ness Год назад

I get more Human: Fall Flat

@luketfer Год назад

@@LOC-Ness Yeah that was the exact game I was thinking, it seems like a less charming Human: Fall Flat.

@adventuresoftext Год назад

I've been developing an open world text adventure for 6 years now. I can completely understand them wanting to be done with their projects, but you can't just drop something when a community is looking at you like a God bringing them the holy grail. Though my game isn't something millions will play, I have a very small number of people looking forward to it. These people have a vast community and they chose to destroy them, where small time developers like me would faint having a large community backing them lol.

@SherrifOfNottingham Год назад

You CAN drop making a game if you're making it and decide to scratch it before release. But if you sell it on early access, a functional free market should end your career if you don't finish a game you sold to people.

@Zonic3451 Год назад

What's it called?

@trentbrownstone1481 Год назад

@@Zonic3451 zorn

@BunnehGaming Год назад

I always appreciate the quality of your videos - I only recently stumbled across your channel and have been really enjoying your content. Thanks for your dedication to what you're doing and I really hope that your transition to full-time content creation goes well!

@ameliamohsin8430 Год назад

Every time I think of CH, I think of hype and abandonware, that's how synonym they are.

@maxvogt3515 Год назад

I’m so glad the what went wrong series is in full swing. I love your stuff and finding out you’re doing it full time is incredible!

@davidamaro1499 Год назад

Goddam, the ROK and the Heat games had such potential. I'd play them forever. Too bad dev's were that bad - not everyone is made to lead. They would work great in a creative team for a bigger company: give good ideas, present basic concept and let others do the work, while guiding them in the direction they envisioned. I'm really bummed by the ROK one tho

@renyoudie Год назад

Man, it's been so cool to see ur channel grow with all these uploads recently, hope you keep it up my guy

@TheAngelRaven Год назад

I remember getting RoK. Had no idea who CodeHatch was... but then I learned years later. It hurts because the game had such great potential.

@JackVice Год назад

Batman: sees jokers calling card Also Batman: my god it even has a water mark

@LadyOfTheEdits Год назад

Lol XD

@dankeykang9319 Год назад

Bat(e)man

@IIIIIIllIlllllIlI Год назад

Great video, I like how in depth you went with the content from the developer. You went into the pros and cons of the games but also showed the realistic side of things. Great video

@fidi324 Год назад

Man ur overwhelmingly balanced perspective and generally positive and empathetic framing of these games and their developers make up videos so refreshing

@elliejohnson2786 Год назад

Imagine if they released playform FIRST, focusing on the aspects they clearly want in their games and getting that right before moving onto actual titles.

@ValdVincent Год назад

To be fair, I wouldn't say they didn't learn form mistakes, they sold more and fooled more people each time, and I bet they'll find away to do it yet again. Already got a Hat Trick.

@trentbrownstone1481 Год назад

They are a successful games development company lol

@dos.factotum Год назад

I like this video format where you've just kinda rolled 3 What Went Wrong videos into one to cover one studio. Keep it up :)

@Gendo. Год назад

Good videos dude, your narration and editing style makes your content stand out among similar youtubers.

@usernamepleasehere Год назад

Lovely video about a bad company mate! I have been following you for a while now, I am looking forward to your future videos as a full time RU-vidr, keep doing your great work.

@TheVRSofa Год назад

Whoop! can't wait for this love the content mate. Check out railroads online that game NEEDS your critical eye for scams on it

@joshuawiener5003 Год назад

Astounding work, wiz. This may be your best one yet and I cannot think of anyone better to cover the Code}{atch saga.

@kerektamas209 Год назад

I was waiting for a "What Went Wrong?" for a while. Been checking your channel for days. Didn't even play the games, I just like your vids. Keep it up!

@Pers0n97 Год назад

This video made me realize there was another indy company I'd LOVE for you to cover, Uber Entertainement. It's (or rather it was) an actually great company that made some very decent game (chief among them Kerbal Space Program and the much underrated Monday Night Combat), but one that struggled to find success, until they did the biggest Kickstarter for gaming at the time with Planetary Annihilation, a game they totally botched and couldn't match their amazing kickstarter trailer to then double down and jump off the cliff (which killed them as far as I know) with their attempt at replicating their PA success with another game named Human Resources. The thing is, they released that second kickstarter when everyone was still waiting for them to finish PA, and it got pretty bad when everyone realized that apparently Uber thought of PA as an already "finished" game and were now moving to that new project, it went so bad that they didn't reach their KS first goal despite how MASSIVE the PA campaign was. The final nail was when they finally came back to PA dragging their feet after the failure of HR and decided to make an expansion for it... which was actually a standalone game that basically fucked over the people that bought the first game, it also made sure to split the already minuscule player base (something they already did once before with the "Super Monday Night Combat" expansion of Monday Night Combat). There's a great story here for you to dig trough.

@Dubstepconcept Год назад

Great vid as usual, brought up some painful memories but at the end of the day these guys should have learned their lesson by now.

@sgtartorias7122 Год назад

Glad to see that the Fulltime thing seems to work out!We happy to support you man, keep up Gods work.

@reecejoyce5183 Год назад

Great video as ever! It's always sad to see games with so much potential go to waste

@HypnotiKSykotiK Год назад

Starforge is the only game I have removed from my steam. Code hatch is also blacklisted from my book.

@blakewithers7439 Год назад

Nahhh i subbed to you when you had around 10k subs and now you are at over 250k. Totally deserved man!

@InVinoVeratas 8 месяцев назад

This channel is great, love the content. Puts things into perspective.

@M0peyMoon Год назад

I love watching your videos. I don't know most of these games but I mainly watch it for your thorough analysis on the topic. It's so interesting! I can tell how much effort you put into your videos and I love every second of it, thank you!!!!

@singularityraptor4022 Год назад

Can you do a video on a game called 'GTTOD' aka Get to the Orange Door please? It's been in early access for 4 years and the game is still is in Alpha state. The dev redoes the game now and then instead of actually developing it. The old game is so different from the new trash. It has butt ton of positive reviews but are old. The Dev and his cult community is super toxic and attacks negative reviewers in steam, critics in steam and discord forum.

@Miniman317 Год назад

Codehatch just seems like ADHD: the game company, they hyper focus on a single thing for a bit then drop it when they see something shiny. Not to say everyone with ADHD is like that.

@skullkidsteve721 3 месяца назад

I literally just got an ad for CodeHatch's newest project!

@chrisxd146 8 месяцев назад

An interesting aspect to this story is seeing how what happens when a competent development studio follows through on an idea rather than abandoning it. Keen Software House began development of Space Engineers - a game similar in concept to Starforge - in 2013 and have successfully released the full version in 2019 with continued support. It's easy to come up with ideas for a fun video game, but it's incredibly difficult to actually create something that fulfills your vision. You not only need to know how to code in different languages, but you'll also need to have an in depth understanding of mathematics to properly implement keys ideas (even if you're using a game engine). Sebastian League, Indigo Quilez, and jdh are all excellent examples of guys who have an understanding of how to code and the mathematics that goes along with being a vision into reality.

@alu2901 6 месяцев назад

Yes. Add to Jonas Tyroller (I think that's how you spell it).

@brad-lynnfife4530 Год назад

I don’t really make comments often but after your video “I’m done”, I’m glad to hear you are following your dream. I wish you all the best and good luck. I really enjoy your videos and the way you present the information is done very well! I hope you see this comment one day and get to appreciate some positive feedback.

@Achtolz Год назад

Since you announced you are going full time I always watch and click on ands. I dont have enough money atm to donate but I always love to support people taking big risks to pursue their Passion, I hope it will work out for you.

@MrYoursomesanta Год назад

Glad to see your other channel back up and running again

@zerrierslizer1 Год назад

me and my friends LOVED Reign of Kings! we have some really fun memories from that game, and i was so god damn saddened when it was abandoned.

@itsallenwow Год назад

The thing about incompetence is that you can’t blame it or inexperience for multiple titles and years of your life. At a certain point not planning and notcommunicating is a decision you make to be a scam. I wouldn’t be nearly as generous to this company as Woz is. But great video as always!

@troodon1096 Год назад

It still has the effect of a scam, even in the absence of malicious intent. In the end you're not going to get whether you paid for, so whether that's because they're unwilling or incapable of providing that, hardly matters.

@m.ccheddarbox874 Год назад

Announcing there will be no more added content after release is a great way to kill your game.

@weirdkd54 Год назад

Another great video essay I didn't know I wanted. Thanks

@shadowbanisher1 Год назад

Great video wiz! Glad to hear the whole code hatch train in one.

@gregorybentley5707 Год назад

Why did you just make your Dreamworld video private?

@ShidoMedia Год назад

Honestly, they seem to have the "right" start-up mentality, but just dropping the project once they get bored/tired of it. If they had a structure to leave continued development and support to a team once they want to move on they could've been a great survival-jank game developer. They just kinda totally wasted it when they went looking for greener pastures.

@AaronLyNxAI 9 месяцев назад

As someone who wants to make a game (not a huge project just something to take up some time and keep me entertained) these stories are really humbling because while I might not be the best at execution I do at least finish my projects eventually. It's hard to see all these good ideas being left behind to be forgotten

@PwnerforhighER Год назад

Good work as always Wiz, I love your videos

@rosi3348 Год назад

Love your content, Wiz. I hope you dont feel pigeonholed into these “what went wrong” videos. I could listen to you discuss anything, dude. Hope you’re well.

@johncheng2682 Год назад

Honestly kinda want to hear the opposite about games that did well. Or underrated games.

@TommyLikeTom Год назад

reign of kings genuinely did produce cherished memories for me

@BillyTheCat128 Год назад

I love your videos since they are a clear warning for any starting Indie Game Dev what "not-to-do" and why picking an "open world" game for your 'first game' is a VERY bad idea. I'm guessing most inexperienced people look at games and think to themselves: "Oh this sounds fun to make" or they throw something together in Unity and tell themselves: "Allright, I'm sure we can make this work" not realizing how much work it really is to develop a game from the ground up, that even those old Playstation, N64 and Xbox games had multiple people to develop those "cheap" party games or 'simple' platformers and I think a lot of people seem to forget that. As someone who plans to one day release their dream game I already made a game plan, I won't announce the game until it's at least 75% finished so that: 1. I'm reasonably sure I will be able to finish it on time without making people wait by pushing release dates back, 2. I won't be dealing with the same problem Cubeworld faced. (changing ideas mid-way through development which ended up dividing the player base and making some customers who WERE interested in the original concept quit) and 3. IF something were to go terribly wrong (like: hitting a bug / roadblock that as an indie I can't even HOPE to fix or worse: I get into an accident and physically won't be able to finish my game) I could at least release that version and sure, it would be a buggy and unoptimized mess but at least it would be the full game 'as promised' instead of a wasteland of broken promises like CodeHatch (and so many others) have done in the past.

@foxyfoxington2651 4 месяца назад

I'll never forget the weird starforge propeller thing.

@consolas2514 Год назад

How long until the absolute movie that is "What Went Wrong with Yandere Simulator"? Lmao

@citcoin-official2681 Год назад

Probably long time. It would have to reach a Crascendo of some type. That story is just a long long line of stagnation, with no ending in sight.

@consolas2514 Год назад

@@citcoin-official2681 we've kinda hit the stagnation atm, everything imploded into the demo and for the moment it's calmed down. It won't be a full retrospective (the same way this one isn't) but in terms of going down hill, I don't think you get much more downhill than the past 2 years for Yan Dev (which he deserves lmao)

@Not_Basketball_Fanatic Год назад

As an amateur game dev I dream of one day making such a successful failure that the Wiz reviews my game. What went wrong? The guy just wasn’t very good at making games 💀

@wulf768 Год назад

Thank you so much for this video! May I suggest you make a video about "What went wrong with Balan Wonderworld"?

@467lachlan Год назад

i was no joke just checking on a post in the discussion forum on steam that i put on there new game warning people of them. sure as hell they moved it to locked thread and stopped public posting on there discussion post from non owners. then 2 hours later seen this ... keep up the good work and use your platform to warn others EDIT : at 28 minutes in the comment sections BFE Sacraficed is me xD yay im featured in your vid lol

@BunzingJeeper Год назад

This is why I don't put any money in the first phase of early access games. As a consumer I need confirmation that the end game will be realised. I have been let down too many times to invest in something that might very well end in dissapointment.

@jamescline6536 Год назад

Would love to see a Darwin project entry to this series

@apalladium5k Год назад

That last game looks like they saw fall guys and thought "We could do that!"

@literallymalware Год назад

Seeing a "What Went Right" kind of video with games like Slime Rancher or TABS would be pretty cool I think

@thehaus6998 Год назад

CodeHatch should just abandon it all, and redo reign of kings, improve it, fix it. if you have a gem, don't leave it in the mud, wash it and take care of it, and so they should, but sadly they don't understand that.

@slammysammy9555 Год назад

Fr I'm playing that game again recently, and it's just as fun as I remember when there are actually people on the server. If they continued updating it, it could have been up there with Rust

@cuhzn Год назад

CodeHatch is like if someone had a bad playthrough of Video Game Tycoon

@Bona_Music Год назад

12:03 dude I laughed so hard my mate chef’s review is in the background 😂

@ragabashmoon1551 Год назад

And this is why I had to go around crowdfunding to back a recent RPG that I trusted (long standingsuccessful company for many years before crowdfunding was a thing, and they have delivered the digital content, the physical content will be shipping soon. I'm in the US and they are in the UK so shipping will take a bit longer.) My bank outright denies any "crowdfunding" sites. I literally had to pay the game developers through Paypal and have them manually add me to their backer software.

@wolfwyvern3662 Год назад

RIP Reign of Kings, I had so much fun on that game for countless hours...

@EpicWinNoob Год назад

All of these were pretty good, and then they just up and went "and now it's abandoned/done :)" about a million years before it actually has any actual progress made.

@katrinafoster3358 Год назад

Also the stand on somebodys desk thing makes me think of my highschool math teacher.. who would walk across the desks to be dramatic

@rassi3954 Год назад

love to see the new vids!

@theunkindledone210 Год назад

You should honestly do a video on Yogventures because that’s shady as fuck and how they bounced back from that I’ll never know

@oz_jones Год назад

Young fanbase? Idk, yogscast never appealed to me

@HotandReddy 10 месяцев назад

Seeing how these guys are from my hometown in Alberta, their dev style makes sense. 😂😂

@Michael-pr8wl Год назад

Love your videos dude!

@WantSomeWhiskey818 Год назад

The irony of Heat is that RDR2 now has a full fanmade client where you can join really active and fantastic roleplay servers, shoutouts to Wild West RP. The game it was trying to piggy back on eventually just replaced it.