What went WRONG with Nike Golf? 

Way too often. Lol.

62…?

Too many lol

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Yep just got the Hogan 14 degree wood.....deadly accurate

Cleveland Golf is still around though...

@@tsyeo1828 But not in the same capacity. They only offer the ultra forgiving irons, drivers, and of course wedges. They have discontinued the CG, 588, and TA lines. Srixon have taken on those markets. I also agree with the other commentator. It should really fall on us to push for a more diverse market. One thing that happened after Nike stopped producing clubs that some players played with whatever we want and maybe the Jo public should follow suit. Try to cobra driver, the mizuno irons, muira wedges, and a ping wood. Why not the Ben Hogan?

Evan Williams you’re right on that.

So true!!! Their prices skyrocketed with the lack of competition, its like a mini monopoly!

Im still using my Ping Eye 2 black dots. Nice set of irons from 1985 i believe

Lee High just retired my ping eye 2s best choice I’ve made in a while. They were good while they lasted but now after playing relatively new clubs i feel like an idiot for not switching sooner

I always had a preference towards the 4w personally. Great clubs.

I love my Nike SQ 4w, X-Stiff steel shaft, 17*, probably the most accurate fairwood I've ever hit. Nice sound and solid distance too.

Alex W agreeed 100%. I was a very novice golfer 4-5 years ago. Shootin under 100 was a good day. Hitting a 3 wood was not even an option for me at the time. Someone talked me into going in and getting fitted making the claim that a proper club fitting can do exponentially more for a novice golfer than for a pro. So i listened and tried out a few different brands and for me personally ping by far just fit to my swing style like a nice pair of worn in boots. Now mind you i only got fitted for my irons but literally saw an instantaneous improvement in my score. So thinking that the ping irons seemed to work so well for me in decided to grab a demo g25 3 wood and just see what would happen, again mind you i have tried many many 3 woods in the past and could literally maybe hit one decent ball out of 10. My very first swing with the g25 3 wood was literally at that time the single best ball is ever hit with a 3 wood, im talking literally the VERY FIRST TIME I HIT A BALL WITH IT. I was mind blown. So i shot a few more and every single ball was launching in a way i had never ever been able to hit a 3 wood even remotely close to as good as those first 10-20 balls. I knew in that moment i found exactly what ive always needed. Had the same problem with rescue/hybrid clubs and again from the very first ball i hit i knew i had found my clubs. To this day now that 3 wood is one of my best and most consistent clubs. I have noo idea what it is but i will golf with people and see them having the same problem as i always used to have to the point they wont even attempt a 3 wood and it just stays in the bag the entire round to which i tell them about my having the exact same problem, i tell em forget everything you know about try8;g to hit your old 3 wood, forget about how unconfident they are when trying to hit whatever 3 wood is in their bag. Not sure if it’s correct but i say put the ball in the middle of your stance and pretend your hitting an iron as opposed to pretending it is more like a driver. And i would say for about every 4 out of 5 people i get to try it are absolutely blown away at how easy it is to hit and hit extremely well. They are slightly striking down on the ball instead of their old mindset of thinking you need to sweep the grass and hit the ball just as your club is in the beginning part of the upwards motion thinking that (that) is what they need to do in order for the ball to fly up into the air. Again i am no pro not even remotely close to a decent amateur, so my advice could be absolutely ass backwards to what people should be doing. That being said is all i know is that it has seemed to work time and time again for more than just a couple of people and continues to work GREATLY for myself and for all of those people i have helped. Not to mention i have sold ping upwards of 20-30 g25 and newer 3 woods and hybrid/rescues. Which in turn has also eventually lead into a couple sets of irons and a few drivers soooo PING. Ugh huhhhmmm. If your looking for an amateur brand ambassador who is a smooth talking son of a gun im your guy!! Im cheap too. Just maybe a new driver so i can finally get rid of my taylormade r9 which is the only club in my bag not a ping is all im really asking for. If your really feeling generous maybe throw in a new set of irons to upgrade my g20’s that i originally got fitted for like 4-5 years ago. I mean i dont feel like that asking for too much!!! Lmfao. Considering the number of people ive converted and go to buy new ping clubs some just a 3 wood some 3 wood and rescue some from driver all the way through to putter i think ive more than covered a new set of clubs lol. But in all seriousness im just thankful that ya’ll have put out a club (or set of clubs) i can really get behind and that have made the game sooo much more enjoyable for not only myself but for everyone that i have had the opportunity to put one of your clubs in their hands and let them see for themselves at what the possibilities are and seeing them get that much more enjoyment out of the game is more than worth it to me in all honesty. Sp really i just wanted to say thank you for all you have done to help progress my game as well as many other people around me’s game as well. Watching my friends get more enjoyment out of the sport snd being able to share that with them all because of a product you produce is really a treat and beyond any monetary value one could put on it. Sorry for the ling post and sorry nike for hijacking rick’s video on ya’lls clubs.

That's awesome

It was right there by the driving range we all went to all those years.

Where at in FW?

It was right next to Leonard’s Driving Range and practice facility off Hwy 30. BTW still one of the best driving ranges in Texas IMO.

@@chrisrodriguez8028 oh wow I had no idea! I'll have to go check it out

Used too many big words

Very much so... I heard something similar as their actual reasoning at the time... They couldn't keep up with demand when it came to multiple models of clubs a year and that they wanted to focus on the apparel side since they were an apparel brand to begin with. They don't make footballs, basketballs or hockey sticks so why clubs? Makes sense, but it sucks because they'd been pretty good at it...

@@FloridaManRacer they do absolutely make footballs and basketballs but those have a MUCH lower entry point than golf clubs, for manufacturing and selling.

Couldn't?

Couldn't* I'm assuming?

Agree

Of course Phil has cleaned up since this comment.

A nice focus on some recently tanked manufacturers, like Adams, would be an interesting feature.

I agree, maybe just a wee bit more of some on course impressions, maybe highlight a line of products (Driver, wood, irons, what have you) that was particularly good/bad with some swing testing or on course spotlights. But overall, really Enjoyed this video and the style with which it was shot.

I really liked his video with the 100 year old golf ball

vapor fly's are my go to running shoe.

They were nice just they weren't that great personally they're to clanky and seems like hitting a tin can not for me...

Irons we’re getting good but ball and Driver sucked

I still game the 2014 VRs Pro Combos, Nike's last great line of clubs. I also game a set of VRs Covert forged 2. Nike was starting to get it and then they went funky and that was it.

I still have mine Good to know Know one else has them

100%, lets face it Tiger was the one carrying nike golf.

Forget winning, he was struggling just to stay on the course. Tiger was seriously struggling for awhile. I almost wonder if they signed too many people. Especially seemingly high level endorsements. Not that signing a bunch of people is all bad but I feel like Nike was really killing it when Tiger was the face of things. Certain athletes are just so synonymous with the brand they endorse that it doesn't seem to matter who else the brand has. I think of someone like MJ with Nike/air Jordan. They hardly needed other high level endorsers because you were the brand of the best.

Tiger was Nike Golf. When he had marital issues, that also stung the Nike Golf brand bc most golfers are conservative...especially older ones who are buying products. Couple that with his inability to win or even play in major events, and it was a recipe for failure... ...had Tiger returned after the marital issues to his winning ways, I bet Nike would have remained relevant...just a hunch

big time

That's what Rick said without actually saying it. Yes.

I played with the vr pro combos for 7 years and loved them to death. Still own them and would never get rid of them. Actually looking into getting them restored a bit as the grooves on a couple clubs are worn down

@@russellsemail4179 can you not buy a groove sharpener and do it yourself, tool not that expensive

I play with 30 year old pin seeker clubs lol

I use the Victory Red irons!

I have the covert 2.0 irons, and the vapor hybrid, all in a Nike bag lol can’t wait to show them off in 20 years 💯💯💯

Yeah bros but that 5 sec video of him just saying that wont cut it lol.

Are you saying Nike picks the wrong people?: Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong, Alberto Salazaar......

Bingo bro this is #1 reason. The brand was either succeeding with Tiger or failing. They tried to cover their bets with Rory but he was bad. It was the perfect storm.

For all intents and purposes Tiger was Nike golf, as tiger went, so did Nike golf

@Bud Fox As a huge Tiger fan of 25 yrs I must say you striped that one right down the sprinkler line. Tiger WAS Nike golf and when he had his problems it didn't matter who else they had. Rory, Brooks and all the others were just along for the ride. They could have won everything but Tiger's life, back and game going in the crapper all at once sunk N.G. The tour in general had taken a hit during Tiger's "troubled times" but had an uptick last April ..... what was it again. can't seem to remember. The fact remains that to a large segment of the golfing world for right or wrong Tiger was/is golf.

Same here. I love those irons. It will be really hard ever to move on.

I'm dying to get a set of those

Me too, absolutely love them. For me the feel great, perform well (if I am) and look great.

I bought a set of vapor fly irons brand new(!) earlier this year and I absolutely love them! I'm also still rockin' my red Covert 2.0 driver!

Try hitting some mizuno mp32s.

👌

Most annoying guy at the driving range lol

@@brettfrimmer6567 tee-ball batting practice. I could only hit 2 or 3 drives before I felt like a jerk

Real reason they failed. That square driver that sounded like crap.

The problem with Nike in skating is that, like golf, they could up and leave the sport at any given moment which would be a problem for a lot of people who work with them. You would never get that from say Lakai, Emerica, Baker even Thrasher, roots companies. The reason that they have good product is because they just buy the best people behind the scenes from the roots companies.

Janoskis hit different

I got the same irons. Love them. Perfect clubs for a mid handicapper

Had the round back sasquatch driver. Crushed it, straight too

Remember him having the Nike Ignite and his driving was so bad

That was sean foley not a driver

To be fair though, Tiger’s driving accuracy was directly linked to switching over to Haney. He gained a better ball striking and lost driving accuracy when he left Butch. For what it’s worth! Don’t think it was the clubs.

Great comment

They should have focussed on irons. I saw more Nike irons out there than any other Nike Equipment. Wedges: Titleist/Cleveland/Callaway. Irons:Taylomade/Callaway/ Titleist/Mizuno/ Ping. Woods: Taylormade/ Callaway/Ping/Titleist/Cobra. Not a whole lot of Nike. They just weren't imortant in golf.

Andy A maybe just like balls or something like that, but they tried to make golf into something that it isn’t. They tried to make golf Nike. Which means lots of innovation and different way-out-there concepts. It works with trainers and clothes, but it didn’t work with golf. For example, I have 2 pairs of Vapormax shoes. Now mind you, they’re a pretty exotic design and some people might say they look strange and are ugly, but there’s enough people like me around who will buy it because they think that the shoes are cool and so Nike will make money from them. However, the golf market is considerably smaller than that for running shoes, and it’s also much less diverse in terms of consumer preference, so when you make a volt or blue cavity back driver, there just aren’t enough people who will buy it, in an already tiny market to make it profitable in any sense.

Still game mine years later, been through a bunch of different irons and nothing feels the same.

I love my vapor itons, but I took em out this year for a set of miura's.

Wow that’s interesting

Same haha

I have method converge s2 amazing putter

Yes!!! I had both in the bag for a while. Loved em

I still play the combo irons

I had a set of those irons. They were fantastic!

Vr pro combo, such beautiful clubs, nowadays mizuno and a bunch of companies make similar looking ones. But nike had something about their that was so alluring.

Fight the good fight with management to get back in the game 👊. You can see you have a following, maybe just do limited releases like you guys do with the drops for each major... order strictly through from the Nike app with no mass release to dealers. Or you could send sets to fitters who would give players specs to order from you directly... There are ways to cut cost, I'd buy again.

I still have a sleeve of the platinum ones in my bag. I absolutely refuse to hit them. I still use the second Gen sumo driver and woods and I just switched to the vapor pro blade irons!

@@JRBowen95 that's balls are a rare as hens teeth

Same!

Bingo! They were beginning to see diminishing returns on Tiger and they knew that the up and coming stars like Jordan, DJ, JT and even Rory were never going to reach the heights of popularity that Tiger did. But they did have Lebron, KD, Kyrie, and I think they envisioned Kobe having the same type of post playing career impact on the shoe industry as MJ and they decided to place all their eggs in those baskets.

Yeah, they literally never made any money with the golf clubs and other equipment. Every single year, they lost money on it. So if wasn't merely not profitable, it was actually losing them millions, and after nearly 20 years of that, they realised that they'd either _█▓▒░░NEVER░░▒▓█_ be profitable, _OR_ it would have taken decades of losing money on it every year before they finally had built up a good reputation, and lead to tons of people buying their clubs. But yeah can't blame them really. They have it a good try for over 15 years, lost money every year, so why keep making them? Clearly nobody wanted them.

Yeah stunning club to look at, sounds and feels amazing. Paired with my Diamana Whiteboard shaft, it is an absolute BEAST. The harder I hit, the straighter it flies!

@@gregoryho9307 Yeah me too! The Vapor driver is one of the few drivers that have no grooves on and around the sweet spot so it generates no spin whatsoever making the ball go crazy straight.

Always wanted that...

I LOVE the toe sweep wedges... I'll be devastated I've they eventually wear out... I'm also still holding strong to Sasquatch irons too

I still game them and have backup 56 and 60 in the plastic wrap.

I got it this year along with 3wood and 3 hybrid.

Wendell Wagnon that’s exactly what I did, almost. I played the Nike Covert 2.0 for years. I would try others, but would go back to the Nike. This past year I went to the Ping G-400 Max.

I'm still using my Covert 2.0 with an Oban Kiyoshi shaft. Longest serving and best overall club in my bag........but starting to feel like it might be losing some performance. But she survives for now.

How does an inert piece of metal and combisite 'lose performance' pray tell? Did it run out of magic or 'ju-ju' ? I've a 20 year old persimmon driver that I bring out in good weather and it still hits as well as it ever did when I used all the time 20 years ago!

@@brother1ray the faces flex and over time fatigue causing reduced performance

It must be close to breaking/falling apart by then, surely? Irons should long, long outlast metal woods with that in mind.

Same

Have a buddy, scratch golfer who went through a phase and bought the latest irons from Callaway, Mizuno and TM for the past 2 years. They were good but he found that he still played best with his Vapor Fly Pros and returned them all.

I still play the Nike Vapor Pro irons seen in this video too and Nike VR wedges. . .they are in great shape with headcovers on them and iI love them!!!

I like the look on like every nike club

@notformebeaky you are right. He would sell them to members and take a small hit. The ones that get returned are used ones as long as they are within the window.

I remember phil commenting about Tiger still using a steel shafted driver when all the others were using graphite.

That’s the single time I remember a pro saying that about any manufacturer as well.

Phil was probably paid by his sponsor to say that...and it worked

I still use the orginal covert irons and 3 wood that I bought back in 2012 or 2013. Have the Vapor Pro driver(2016). All in a nike bag I bought years ago. Wish Nike were still around. Prolly would buy another set of them.

I still play my Nike Vapor irons and never want to replace them. Absolute perfection

Been playing them since they came out and they’re everything I could ask for

uh no, that is not a popular rumor haha. The myth is that Miura made Tiger Woods' custom fit iron set, and then allowed Nike to stamp a swish logo on them.

The actual truth is that they didn't make them but they also didn't come out and say anything because the publicity made them sales.. you can check online. I also thought they secretly made his clubs.

I can assure you that Miura did not make the VR Pro Blade or VR Pro Wedges because I was the designer at Nike that was designing those products. These golf clubs along with all of the golf clubs that Nike produced were designed, tested and produced by Nike. The Miura rumors are just that, rumors.