I hunted the first day of deer season with a 52" recurve. The next day I hunted with my Hill Wesley Special 66" longbow. I can't explain it, but I felt a much greater connection to the woods with that bow.
@@mattswildpointofview5057 hey Matt, i did! I'm just getting into trad bow shooting and hunting, so these videos are quite helpful to me 👍 :) . Best regards from Denmark! Claus
Matt, love the content. Big fan Of Howard Hill since childhood. I'm so impressed to see an Archer Outdoors and shooting his bow In the snow. I think most archers Put their gear up when the weather Turns cold. In my younger years I enjoyed stalking the cedar swamps Of Michigan's Upper Peninsula hunting snowshoe hares. It Warms my heart to see someone Still has the passion to be out There slinging arrows in the snow. To those who are afraid of losing Arrows, they will be there in the Spring! 😂
@@mattswildpointofview5057 Matt, you might be shooting with greater power than you realize. For example, I have a longbow that is 74# at 28". I would predict that at 31" this bow is heavier by the ratio (31"-10")/(28"-10)=1.167, for a predicted draw weight of 86.3#@31". When I actually measure it with an electronic bow scale I get 87.5#, due to some stacking. But drawn to 31" this bow would have a greater power stroke than a bow that is 87.5#@28", so to compute the stored energy at 31" I must multiply by the factor 1.167 again, which means that when drawn to 31" this bow will have the predicted stored energy of a bow of draw weight 1.167x1.167x74#=101#@28" when drawn to 28". For a 65#@28" bow the predictions are 76#@31" and the stored energy (and thus arrow speed) of an 88.5#@28" bow drawn to 28". Ok, this reply might be driving you nuts and you might not care about all this, but the bottom line is drawing deep gives tremendous arrow speed. I am primarily a flight shooter, so I really push my bow arm out to the max and draw deep to achieve distance. Of course, I don't have to worry about hitting anything but planet earth, which is an ample target. Keep up the great shooting!
@@jamesmartin3765 Yes sir you are correct, most all my bows I've had made for me are 65# @28 and all of them at my long draw are in the mid to high 70s # depending on the stacking. I'd like to do a video in the future explaining this because a lot of folks don't understand how that works. I've also noticed that trapped limbs help with less stacking at longer draws compared to my bows that are not. Always something to talk about in the land of traditional archery.
I went from selfbow and self made cane arrows and stone point to a traditional longbow with carbon arrows and its been a weird trip so far but my groups at 25 are crazy good i really hope to get a gn longbow one day i really enjoyed the video and you definitely got another sub
I did the same thing, I started with self bows and primitive equipment but started shooting traditional years back when family and life started eating up a lot of the time I used to spend making equipment. Thanks for subscribing hope you enjoy.
Man that is just fantastic accuracy. I definitely want a longbow in my collection. Bought my first recurve last weekend, kinda went the techy aluminum riser route but kept costs low.
I bought a used one out of the Martin Collection years ago and it is one of the Best shooting bows I’ve ever shot. Your right it is very forgiving. It always surprises me when I shoot it. Very dependable and Stable ! It is the most traditional bow I have. You have made me want to shot it. Guess I’ll be getting it out and shooting it soon. I have a dog leg 59 Kodiac Bear Bow with the original string , looks mint neatly and it surprised me. I haven’t strung it in years . It’s so beautiful still I would hate to mess it up.
I make my own bows and I do have to agree, any of the longer limbed bows are just more forgiving to shoot. They'll never be as fast, but a bad day with a longbow generally involves hitting the outer rings of a target. A bad day with my little Turkish bow (like this morning) means searching for arrows in the grass. I'm hoping next year to go turkey hunting with my little turkish bow. At only 46 inches tip to tip shooting with a thumb draw, blinds aren't a challenge at all.
I loved this vdeo. This type inspires me much more than someone shooting paper targets. I have a Northern Mist Classic Hill style longbow and love it. It shoots smoother than most recurves I ever shot. But have a question: What is that round target you are shooting on the ground? Looks like a small wheel with styrofoam in middle. This video reminded me of my friend Gary Arthur in Michigan. In fact he got me back into archery and I shot my first game animal while visiting him in Michigan.
This was an awesome video. Would love to see more videos like this, especially how you changed hunting situations. I would also enjoy some shooting instructions from you as a hunter... so much info out there is from target/3-D shooters.
Thanks man. This is a sweet shooting 68" but yes possible in the right blinds I guess I was talking more like homemade brush blinds and such. I still like a shorter bow in most blinds but this bow has definitely put some meat in the freezer.
Very cool. I enjoyed your podcast episode with Bowhunting Soul. This is about the only style of bow I haven't tried, yet. I may need to try one. They seem like the most rugged design of all bows, too.
Yes definitely in my opinion the most rugged and forgiving to shooter error. I appreciate it the podcast was a nice talk I always enjoy talking with like minded folks.
Thanks. Its a coffee wood riser and I'm a fan of temperd bamboo or Red Cedar for core wood on most D bows but I have shot a couple with maple core that shot good.
Great video , I have a Northern Mist Whisper on order and can't wait to get it in my hands , I agree that speed isn't everything , I shoot a Montana longbow and it's plenty fast I just love to shoot traditional bows. Thanks for an awesome video.
Man Steve Turay makes a awesome bow! no doubt you will be happy with his work. Thanks for watching I will have a bow review on a three peace takedown up soon be sure to give it a watch.
I shoot the PSE Oryx hill style bow. 68” amo and 50# @ 28”. Love it. Always shot trad recurve but last year I switched to the longbow. Today I just put a fast flight Flemish twist string on it. Even better. I shoot cedar arrows spines for my bow and the fly true. I have RU-vid vids of me shooting it. Great video. Liked and subscribed. Cheers from Canada👍🇨🇦😎🏹
Hi Matt. I sure enjoyed watching this video. I have wanted to try shooting a Hill style longbow for some time now. I currently am shooting a 45 pound reflex-deflex longbow made by Jeff Phillips at Instinctive Addiction Archery. It's a really nice bow and it shoots great. But I would still like to try one like yours. If you don't mind, what model of bow are you shooting from Great Northern?? Thanks Matt would sure like to hear from you. Thanks. Jim
I love the ASL and wood arrows. It’s peanut butter and jelly. If I can make it work here in the north Idaho pine jungle, you can make the bow work anywhere.
I mean...it IS a slow bow by comparison to the latest and greatest compounds...that is the wrong question to ask though, the question that should be addressed is whether or not your form is good enough to put the arrow where it needs to be when it matters...lots of deer and elk etc every year are taken by traditional archery equipment
Great video. I recently did one on the Northern Mist Classic. I’m definitely not a Hill bow guy lol! But at least I know now and can say I’ve given the ASL an honest chance. Subbed to your channel. Great stuff 👍
People have been using a stick and string for thousands of years for hunting and warfare, so the speed is just fine. Most archers that talk about speed only just do have the patience it takes to master a traditional bow. The key here People is kinetic energy. As someone who shoots heavy bows 100# + yeah a 70 or 80lb compound will always be fast but shooting a 100lb longbow launching a 800g arrow is like comparing a rifle round to a shotgun slug.
ive got a pse legasy, longbow 55lb , i bought it in the 80s ff string, i hunted and tagged from a treestand w/ her, 68 in, laminated , i brace height the shock out and now sweet!
Nice video. I have a 68" Farmington Black Horn that I am pretty sure s a Hill style. Draws so smooth and is very forgiving just as you described your bow to be. Good insights and opinions you have on these style bows which I completely agree. Thanks Matt! Sub!
Great shooting and video. Physics though, come into play to cancel what you said about cast. Speed out of the bow, at a certain arrow weight, is the only thing that plays into cast. A longbow, shooting slower, does not somehow make up in some mysterious way, to throw an arrow farther.
Nice shooting and u should chrony this bow. Saying it's fast by feel isn't that accurate but still works I guess. And yes longer bows are definitely more forgiving. I shoot a 48" and a 53" tatar. Bows longer than that are very stable but not always as fast. But that's a tradeoff.
I recently bought a Bear Super Kodiak recurve. It was purchased purely out of nostalgia for Fred Bear. However, many years ago I went from a Red Wing Hunter (a great bow) to a Saxon Express longbow. I would never go back to a recurve. As for compounds, never. If you want a true religious experience, shoot either a long bow or recurve. A self-bow might even bring you closer to the creator. Oh yah, use wood arrows.
Nice man and yes longer bows are definitely more forgiving. I have a 54" angular bow and a 48" horsebow and short bows are fast but less forgiving. It's a tradeoff but of course draw weight comes into play and u can shoot a lower poundage both short and long accurately
Short bows actually aren't faster. The shorter the bow the less energy is stored as compared to the same draw weight in the longer bow. If you straightened your reflex deflex out it would probably be about the same length as the longbow.
@@larryreese6146 and no the bow is measured as they all are at ntn length. I've never gone with strung length. Short bows are generally faster because they have less limbs to move especially compared to a longbow. For instance piking a bow or making it shorter both increases the speed and weight of the bow. Less mass in the limbs means more speed.
@@larryreese6146 . A turkish bow is much shorter and can store way more energy than a longbow. It's about reflex/recurve that makes the bow fast. A turkish bow will always outshoot a longbow because of the energy storage in that short composite bow
very thin bow, and a long riser must be comfortable and seems forgiving it's more important than the speed of the arrow (i don't understand this obsession) the longbow is the bow of mature archers
For fun I fletched a heavy fiberglass fishing arrow. Estimated weight was about 1300 grains. Two things really stood out. The arrow flight speed was a lot slower, but the penetration into a new hay bail was 1/3 deeper than with my standard arrows. (26” cedar shafts and 160 grain bullet points)
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I love the ASL but I am afraid to say they aren’t forgiving. This is a common myth. The ASL requires consistent form which isn’t a bad thing. There’s several reasons for this. First the grips are typically straight or slightly dished. hand placement and grip pressures are critical. Mass weight is typically less making it very easy to move the bow arm off target at the shot. They typically aren’t cut to center making arrow tune and sight picture a little more challenging However there’s no feeling that compares to a well placed shot from a ASL, they give a unexplainable satisfaction level unique to them alone, in my opinion. Secondly the “cast” theory is incorrect and another myth. The same arrow traveling at 150fps at 10 yards is going to slow and drop the same regardless if it was shot from an ASL or recurve. Simple physics. Speed is a way of measuring transferred energy so in one sense speed does matter but that’s a different topic. There’s no more or less energy stored in the same arrow traveling 150fps. The difference is typically ASL shooters are going to be using a heavier arrow which does help momentum down range. A heavier object in motion retains more energy for a longer period of time again up to a point of Diminishing returns. In part a bow can only transfer so much energy into an arrow. A heavy arrow Absorbs more of the stored energy in the bow limbs. Again there is limits in both directions when dealing with arrow weight. Another topic of its own. Meaning for example a guy with a recurve and light arrow may not see the performance an ASL guy shooting a heavier arrow does and this the myth was started. Take the same well crafted recurve with the heavier arrow with all other factors equal and the recurve will once again be on top proven by a faster arrow speed. In other words at no point will an ASL that’s shooting 150fps with a 500gr arrow surpass a recurve shooting the same arrow at the same speed due to a ASL’s “cast” ability. A well crafted bow is a well crafted bow. True and with that in mind a recurve will always out perform a straight limb longbow. A recurve by design and why it was designed transfers more of the stored energy in the working limbs pound for pound A 45lb bow has 45lbs worth of energy stored in the limbs regardless if it’s an ASL, recurve, selfbow, R/D longbow etc. Bow design allows for more or less of that energy to be transferred into the arrow to the point of the arrow’s ability to absorb the energy transfer. Here we could discuss why bows have hand shock,bow noise etc but we won’t. The ASL is definitely a slower design but as you said if your looking for speed with traditional bows then you missed the point. They have plenty of speed as far as anyone should be shooting at live game or most will at targets. When discussing pros and cons of anything. There’s hard facts, Circumstantial facts and also personal choices. We could compare a recurve to a compound or a compound to a crossbow even a crossbow to a firearm but none of it would be a apples to apples comparison. I choose to shoot an ASL not because it’s the best design based entirely on a performance scale but because it’s what I enjoy and it does everything i need it to do or for that matter any traditional archer would. Anyone thinking about trying an ASL is doing themselves a disadvantage by comparing it to other designs. None of this was to suggest there’s no advantages with the ASL design because there are some but again that’s not really why most will choose to shoot one. It’s an ASL,enjoy it for what it is. I sure do.
Amen. I hunter the first day of deer season with a 52" recurve. The next day I hunted with my Hill Wesley Special 66" longbow. I can't explain it, but I felt a much greater connection to the woods with that bow.
So thats my problem! I keep waiting for the deer with a big target drawn on it 😉 I have taken deer just sitting in front of a wide Oak tree with short brush around me. Just cant move while they're looking at you.
Ya don't have to convince me...started shooting longbows more than 40 years ago...they're killers! Everything from waterfowl, upland game, and all manners of big game have fallen to my longbows
Thats awesome man, Its great to have all that experience hopefully you are sharing that hunting knowledge with other folks so we can keep the tradition going. Thanks for watching.
The real potential of the American Semi Longbow is in the Hill Method of shooting. Designed for hunting by the worlds greatest archer Howard Hill. Great bow but for those watching the style of shooting is in contrast to its design.
Native Americans made self bows made from a single stave of wood , Sometimes they would back the bow with sinue , rawhide and other natural materials to make fantastic bows. This is a modern laminated wood fiberglass bow, This stile was made most famous by Howard Hill and that is why a lot of people call it a "Hill Bow" or "Hill Stile Bow" There are other names fore this bow but most just call it a Hill Stile bow. Very different than Native bows but I do build native self bows and will probably have one on here soon. There are many different longbows They are all named by the design of the bow but all considered a longbow.
Why do you look so awkward when you knock the arrows? You knock like a kid touching an arrow for the first time. How did you learn how to shoot, but never learned how to knock an arrow? I keep expecting to see you drop the arrow each time it looks so awkward.
I've learned To inspect my nocks while nocking an arrow when shooting in the cold, these plastic nocks in particular tend to get cracking going on and can break upon release. When your knock breaks its the equivalent of dry firing your bow in below freezing temps.
