@@lunaticheaven9446 if you go a little more than 10 years before that you'll see Garry Chess playing in a simul against 32 chess engines and winning all of the games
I'd love to see a format where players where allowed to get exactly one engine hint at any time of their choice, where the hint would only be the top move (no line, no eval). Like the "ask for help" in "Who wants to be a millionaire". And it should be public info that a player used their hint (so opponent immediately knows).Then it would become highly strategic at what point to use that hint, and whether to spend time trying to understand what the hell does the engine mean or just play the human move. Should be a very fun format!
One way to nerf it a bit is: the hint itself is public, so the opponent not only knows immediately when you use it, but they also know what the engine said and can begin calculating the line before you actually play the move. I can imagine it being a lot of fun OtB: "Magnus decides to cash in his Stockfish token!" Danya comes in dramatically holding up a big card "g5", everybody gasps 🙂
yes it's definitely the opposite, except it's not true. Stockfish 15 might be 24 years newer but you could say Stockfish aged from 1 to 2 to 3 to 10 to 11 to 15 and is now 24 years old. it's a matter of perspective, obviously.
I'd be curious to see a chess engine matchup of one of these old engines vs a modern engine with some sort of severe handicap, like Fritz vs Stockfish 15 at really low depth or something.
Agadmator has recently paired up an old chess program called "The Chessmaster" with the latest version of Stockfish, you should go to his channel and check it out
Looking at the DB is a great idea. Following Fisher's argument that opening theory is killing chess, having that part equalized, would help to have matches where intuition and strategy counts more than memory
there should be a top level GM tournament where 1 GM is chosen to cheat in secret and they all play then have to decide who the cheater is. oh wait.... that tournament would be called The 2022 Sinquefield Cup
I still have my old Kasparov ScySis Turbostar which I bought in 1996. It was a phenominal machine at the time, but has only 4mb memory (which was great for that time) and takes forever to move in higher settings. Great memories.
It's fascinating that you're able to bring in knowledge of how these engine algorithms work -- seeing the eval crunch on that position before realizing it was losing for black was really eye-opening. Thanks!
You know what would be a fun variation? Players are allowed to use the engine at any point but only once and only on a single move without looking at any follow-up moves.
Day 18 of please asking for the Fischer-Korchnoi rivalry video. The recent historical content videos have been fun and exciting and a lot of people love Gotham ‘getting back to his roots,’ so this would be a fun addition. I had mentioned before why this ‘rivalry’ would be great, and that’s because we never saw Fischer-Karpov/Kasparov, but we did see Korchnoi play against all of them including title matches, so it can be an excellent point of comparison, plus the games were amazingly entertaining.
Hey, speaking of tournaments, I just got 3rd place in a bullet tournament! Thank you for all you do Levy! I wouldn't have gotten this far without you man!
A tournament where, 1 move is made by engine and 1 move is made by the human human+machine vs human+machine (kind of 2v2, but the move engine make is always top move).
Love the idea of alternate chess. Like you get to see the eval bar but start down a piece or something. Giving the eval or singular top move once a game to titled players would probably be busted but still fun
@@JacobsKrąnųg Yeah recently I've noticed 2 types of comments, ones like this and obvious bait for pin of shame, would still rather have something like this pinned than some shitty racist comment.
Loving these historical videos. Could you make a video on the 1953 Zurich candidates tournament? It was one of the strongest Candidates tournaments ever held and had many extremely interesting games.
I replied to one of your tweets before but i like a who wants to be a millionare type format; 3 one-off lifelines: see the evaluation, see the next best move, take back last move. etc...
I think you could do something like this today with a really primitive computer and a database that's specifically programmed to leave out your enemies' games
just to point out to you @Gothachess, if you are following rules, you aren't cheating. The title seems wrong. The basic meaning of cheating is that you are gaining unfair advantage over opponent by illegal means. Here neither was it illegal and both had same advantage.
Chessbase and a UAE company, Infinity Chess, sponsored events in the mid to late 2000s where players would play with whatever engines, databases, and hardware they could muster, and in any size team that they thought would be optimal. This was called Freestyle Chess. I remember Hikaru entered one of these tournaments and did very poorly...
I'd like to see a tournament where cheating is simply not penalized but the whole game is essentially who can cheat more cleverly and if your opponent figures out how your cheating you auto lose
I've often thought, what if we had a separate Olympics but people could use whatever doping they wanted, like let's see where the limits of the human body really are
Imagine a game between a GM and stockfish, but exactly once in the game (the GM decides when) we replace stockfish by a low Elo chess player (let's say ~1000 Elo) for three consecutive moves. After these three moves the beginner leaves and stockfish plays the rest of the match. What result do you expect ?
GM wins without a doubt. All the GM has to do is force a spicy position, then give the low elo player 3 chances to mess it up. I'd say the GM could win even if the 3 moves were not allowed to be consecutive.
No, I love cheating. Sorry, let me be more specific: I love to violate academic integrity. And to practice fraud or trickery. And to violate rules dishonestly. And to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting. And to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice. And to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud. And to position myself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area.
@@vinesthemonkey I think memorizing is the wrong word here. With a beginner like me and thus obviously top players it's common to just remember variations that you have seemingly understood (obviously I understood nothing though). Just like remembering games after playing them because you had a thought process during the game and you understood how the moves come to you.
Playing with engines on but you can only see what your opponent's best move is would be interesting. Like, you don't know what your best move is, and they don't know what their best move is, but you each know what each other's best move is.
Not so different from correspondence chess, save for the time factor. Maybe a video on some correspondence matches would be interesting? A lot of people aren't familiar with it, could be a fun angle. p.s. no info on which engines were being used for this match? That would have been cool info to know. edit: you did mention some engines after all
1999 Engines: "I can't do endgames help me" 2022 Engines: "Well, well, well...you must be desperate to seek out help from me...I can win a game for you...for a price."
I thought that this was going to be a viewer bullet arena where everyone could use stockfish. Still a great video, but maybe consider the viewer arena, could be fun
How about a format where you're allowed four engine moves per game, but you're given one top engine move, and three random moves, and you have to pick one?
What if we do a more modern version of this and do one where the engine is not given a lot of computing time and he is only showing the best move of 2 moves ago, it will be interesting because you will need to understand the meaning of the moves to take advantage of that and not play blindly
I think a “ninja spy” chess tournament would be a lot of fun. Where you’re allowed to “cheat” by any means necessary, but you get a point deduction for every game you get caught cheating in.
around the 10:45 mark you think that maybe Topalov allowed the sac because they didnt use the engines. but the early engines were incredibly materilastic. it seems very plausable that one of the early engines would probably allow the sac on c3 and not see an issue with it
This is actually a really interesting concept. Especially considering chess engines themselves wouldn't have been as strong as the GMs at the time, having GMs able to fill the gaps in their human memory with an openings database, while still having to put that information together themselves!
It's not cheating if both sides agree to use equal technology without advantage for one side. It prevents blunders under pressure for both sides, players are not forced to accept engine moves, so it allows creativity an prevents stupid mistakes that they would not make. Top players already use the engines before the games to "memorize" the lines or choose the moves based on the unconcius memory where they remembered their previous games (aka experience). If both of them know they used the engines 12h before the match and they not call this cheating, it's fair to agree that they will continue to use the engines with the same streangth during the match.
I wonder if an engine-assisted tournament would be interesting or would the human contribute nothing of value to the evaluation and it would just be stockfish vs stockfish?
In the Queen's Gambit series they show people going into a room mid match during a break to discuss the moves and next move with each other. Isn't this cheating kind of in the same way it would be to check an engine in the bathroom? Or was this only done for dramatic effect in the series? They made it seem like this was just normal.
3:34 Did you say your stockfish is 23 years older than the engine used by Kasparov and Topalov? Am I just crazy or did you accidentually confused yourself? 😅
Keep in mind that today's computers are around 1000x as fast as the computers back in 1998 with thousands of times the storage. So if you managed to load Stockfish onto those computers back then the performance would probably not differ by that much.
Kasparov the beautiful, famously anti-communist Russian chess player. Gorbachev said he wanted to give a face to socialism. Kasparov said, "yes Frankenstein has a face too but he is still a monster."
I am Getting tired of online chess. I suck. Make no mistake about that. On lichess I am 930. So yeah, not good. That being said, the obvious cheaters are ruining it. It's when it is always 10-12 seconds per move. AND they are awesome topnotch moves. I can delay most when I notice and timer runs out on them, but not helping me learn the game better. Reporting does no good
I used to play chess on the computer vs a friend all the time. We would use the engine from time to time when playing against each other. It was a way of avoiding blunders and keeping the position going. It was fun for learning, better for game shows than competition.
It is funny how back in the day, the engines were weak enough that players could actually assist them, and if both players used them, they would still be able to play a balanced, exciting game. Nowadays, engines are too strong, so a human is no longer able to assist an engine in making good moves, and optimal play will always end in a draw.
Kasparov vs Deep Blue wasn't the first chess machine vs man at all, the most notorious, and the first world champion defeat, hitting super hard the humanity for sure
If they did a thing where players had 40 secs per turn, obly able to goto 2 mins for a move twice, with access to an engine, it would be fascinating. If you go over the time 3 times you lose the game
