"When the government is caught doing an illegal act, they don't change their actions to comply with the law... they change the law to justify the actions." <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2035">33:55</a>
So who is going to stop them? Anyone out there reading and watching? Anyone with power or money? Surely there is SOMEONE good who has power and money...then again, maybe not
@@mikeltami8225 Of course. They will be afraid, specially when the see "the people" voting in candidates like Trump. That only proved anyone willing to say irrational things to solve complex problems will be elected. It showed to politicans that they can do whatever they want.
He deserves a pardon... This is the government our founding fathers warned us about... Very scary... The corruption is so deep and wide it's incomprehensible... Thank you Edward.
If I was american, I'd consider this guy to be a true patriot and a hero. Forced to live in exile because he told the truth in the land of the free ...
@@My_Alchemical_Romance I'm not a conservative, but why would conservatives hate him of all people ? Objectively speaking, he compromised his entire life for the sole purpose of telling people the truth. That's one of the most patriotic acts that has been committed in recent memory.
The fact that your comment is probably saved in a file with you exact name and address and much more, bcs your exposing them and that your probably in the black list on the system and that they will send a hitman within the year is also gold.
@@user-fk9vm6no5i hehehehe, you think you are save bcs you live in kroatia, NO. The cia, fbi, nsa is watching the WORLD. NO EXEPTION, i mean two exeptions, north-korea and uganda, because NOBODY KNOWS DA WAY TO UGANDA..
except when your country was stolen from the Native Americans, then you take a long look at your genealogy and history and go back to where you came from.
This guy made me realize that the selfless attitude I always had was misguided. He literally sacrificed his life, and a few weeks afterward.. everybody went back at their lifes. We're completely mind controlled..
Oh, no. He did change the world. He's a constant reminder what happens when you cross a line as a government. Everyone will think twice before doing shady stuff. Also a reminder that there are people in the world who would sacrifice themselves to better the world.
These surveillance programs are not within the control of the public. You can talk to your state representatives, governors etc and hope they are not corrupt. The Gov can say that they are not doing it any more.. but do you trust them? No. Never trust the government is the proper use of it. Its the implicit trust that's screwing the nation over..and with Snowden the eyes of America have been opening wider and wider.
Really, how🤔Please explain to the world here on RU-vid.. I mean did he not flee to a country that does exactly the same thing Russia👩🏫👉Please enlighten 👀🌿
@@alhermid4513 funny bc he exposed that the US was doing the shit that Russia does. Spies on its own citizens. Russia is at least open about it. The US masked it under the guise of spying on 'terrorists'. The shit the US doing was illegal but they tried justifying it bc of the broad sweeping powers of the patriot act. They continually lied about what they were doing and what information was being collected. If it was a regular company he outed he would of been labeled a whistle-blower and congratulated. Bc it was the government he's labeled a traitor. Mind you I'm a supporter of the CIA and kind of just playing devils advocate. I'm of the opinion that governments across the world are always doing shady shit whether it's run by dictator or democracy and you don't get to be the power player that the US is without knowing and doing very shady shit. The vast majority of people don't give two shits if the government collects their emails or listens to their phone calls as long as they can live their lives the way they want to. We can do that bc the government is so powerful. People just don't like hearing how they maintain that power.
@@mydogniko Russia is at least🤔 Are you an expert in Russia very Top Secret agendas and spying techniques or are part of the Russian government to make such an erroneous assessment 👀 You know my dear friend when the term "at least" is used that is the bottom of the Totem Pole in a debate.. Besides I bet you reside in the USA "at least." 🙌
@@alhermid4513 you’re making absolutely no sense. You don’t need to be an expert to know Russia spies on their own people it’s not rocket science they admit to it
@@davidcope2368 me too. I just started to understand the length of the investigation of 911. It went ALL over the place. It took over a decade or more in years to really gather a sense of all the wrongs. I'm still reading up on it...but u really couldnt get a real sense until 10 years later. I was 21. And I started looking into it 4 years ago. Reading everything. We fucked up. FBI and CIA not communicating and ALL kinds of other things.
@@hypedz1495 he worked in the security sector of government. He uncovered how our government was spying on citizens illegally. There was so much he uncovered that he had to flee this country. Without him, government would be deeper in Americans life's. It forced government to inactive laws and hearings made official's accountable.
I feel like this is another of the BEST and much needed interviews that this channel has done. Snowden explains things so well, not rushing, he's eloquent, and has left me with a much greater understanding of what's going on. I'm truly grateful, to be honest, to have the ability to hear from him. Thanks Joe
@@4dthinking432 you are exposed by criminal. Snowed dosent have the balls the expose real criminals CIA and instead he work for them and expose the good guys NSA. Imagine if he expose CIA, he wont be sitting here talking about this, he would be dead the minute he expose them.
Just like at the Capitol riots! People not even inside the Capitol were locked up for weeks for just being there! Interrogated and asked if they were upset about election. Unbelievable!!!
When the news first broke about Snowden, i was one of the people who said he was a traitor and that's all there was to it. I parroted the government line like a blind sheep. Then i actually thought it over for myself after learning more about what he did, why he did it, what info he released, etc, and i quickly realized i was wrong. He is absolutely a hero and a patriot in the truest sense. Im grateful for what he did and for opening so many eyes including my own.
Im with you on that I was active duty at the time and thought what a POS, wow was I wrong. What would we not know without him and others. I no longer trust our govt. DC needs an enema
I wish people would have the same "ahaaa" moment you had with Snowden, concerning Donald Trump! I'm not a Biden fan but I know, without a shadow of a doubt that Trump is NOT a good human! Not concerned with our well being as a country. He's only concerned with what more he can get for himself as POTUS. Not to mention that being elected again may keep him out of prison. He's corrupted morally and physically. We will not survive another Trump presidency!
Now you're parroting the Kremlin/Snowden's line also like a sheep good job. Of the 1.5 million documents Snowden sold for a life of fame and adventure, nearly 100% of them were US _foreign intelligence_ ... Almost none of what he revealed was related to the NSA's domestic spying. He threw that breadcrumb in so that he can portray himself as this heroic figure, man of the people type... it's all such BS. He abandoned one country's intelligence apparatus for another's (which also does mass surveillance of its citizens).
Around the time that he came and outed the govn't, I was starting to do my own research about the truth. I immediately viewed Snowden as a hero. Never once did the thought of him being traitor cross my mind. I can see why people *WOULD* think that way, though.
And the result of this breach, a lot of American apps are banned on our adversaries soil like facebook or twitter and such. This is incredibly detrimental to our intelligence gathering and now we're in the dark having no clue of what the next move of our adversaries is going to be. The world is at another Cold War between China, Russia, and America. Chinese hackers outnumber the FBI cyber staff 50 to 1 now in the latest report, China has stolen more American data than any other country combined according to the FBI director, we're losing the information war. They have more on us than we have on them, the things that Edward Snowden uncovered would've been a whole lot helpful right now. He's a disgusting traitor, and only ignorant Americans who have no clue of what's going on in the world will say that he's a hero
Even if everyone agrees that Snowden acted ethically, the government can't allow any instances of "sharing classified information" to be tolerated otherwise it would be used as a foothold for future leaks. He knew this would be the outcome before he chose to leak the information. It's just the way it is and I doubt this will change within our lifetime.
@@iRoxorzUrSoxorz So I guess the No Fear Act of 2002 and Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989 that are supposed to protect Snowden don't apply? Classified or not as long as you have a reason to believe that your employer violated the law you're immune to the repercussions of said crime. Interesting how these acts don't apply to Snowden but apply to the whistleblower in the Trump & Ukraine phone call scandal which by the way phone calls between heads of state tend to always be classified talks. Really gets the noggin jogging.
I know it gets complicated. Back in the day it was for ( the greater good) ...but it is not the bay of pigs. It's the 21st century and people deserve the truth. Edward Snowden deserves full pardon!
Double agent or triple agent... I mean think aboutit, this sounds fucked and what not but WHY isn't Snowden dead yet?? Yet Epstein "hang himself on suicide watch" for leaking the corrupted politics and pedos but hey not all heroes wear capes, just my 2cents.
Hey dumb fuck Snowdon exposed all this shit years ago yet mental midgets like you ignored him and now you want to act surprised this shit is happening smfh
Please Help Spread Knowledge: Important Insights of Edward Snowden -- released Oct. 23, 2019 - Focus of Spying Gone Too Far: This is indirectly related to issues of rights, possible secret civil war, cold civil war, and violations of rights. --- Realized Government Spying Had Gone Too Far. - Some of most interesting comments on this video start at about 13:10 to 18:30 (forward deployed tech guy, lies, secret info clouds); and then 19:15 (know what happens to people who rock the boat) and then 19:55 to 29:30 (Office of Info Sharing; The Heartbeat; Dirty Word Searches; PrivAcc; Above T.S.; Steller Wind; Inspect Report) and then 29:35 to 32:55 (James Risner; N.Y. Times; Bush W.H.; Implicated Congress Members - 2007 Law - Protect American Act; Special Protection To Companies; Fear Mongering); and then 33:00 to 37:30 ( 2008 Amendments Law - Foreign Intelligence Subservience Act (FISA) ; Legal Hoops & Forming New Laws For Spying; Requirement of Report; Not Constitutional Actions; Continuity of Govt.) ; and then to 38:00 ( Redacted Report; Deceptive Report; 2012 Realization of Conspiracy; Manipulative Spin (Creative Lying); Senior Officials Worked Together To Expand Their Powers; Where Is Transparency); for the context of this MINDS group, Cold Civil War. Good examples in how to word arguments. ... www.minds.com/groups/profile/1031944986425843712/feed
Because of his platform, I believe Joe has done *SO MUCH* for the American people and the people of the world. He is one of my favorite "celebrities", if you want to call him that.
This Is the height of Joe Rogan's career.. he can literally offer no input.. he is just serving as a platform and he's totally cool with that. This has got to be the most beautiful mesh up of pop culture entertainment and international espionage.. thank both of you gentlemen very much.
@@murderc27 All I can say is he doesn't tend to have any kind of integrity when it comes to guests. He'll happily talk shit about them and then if he can get them on the show he's practically sucking them off.
Love that Joe just lets him keep going. Most hosts would’ve felt the need to cut in with more questions or at least have themselves on screen while he talks
I make jokes about "oh, that's the CIA listening in on us" when there are connection issues, but it's kinda surreal watching Snowden make the joke when you know it's really happening.
Not a hero, he's a traitor, this is called intelligence gathering and if you don't know where the enemy is then you have to search through it all. Decades and hundreds of millions possibly billions of dollars, unraveled by this man. The spying we were doing was one of the most sophisticated in the world and allowed us to spy on China and Russia, now that they know of the ins and outs of our spying capabilities, they use that to their advantage. The Chinese stole nuclear blueprints, millions of dollars of research into fighter jets, and many more military technology that America holds. Self-centered Americans can only think about themselves and their own "privacy" without realizing that if you have privacy then spies from foreign nations will also have privacy on our soil. The advantage we had over other countries is completely wide open now and demolished. And of course the dumb American civilians response with this traitor was "Hell yeah our freedom!" Nice job idiots, your country's line of defense against spies and terrorism was blown wide open, good job.
And the result of this breach, a lot of American apps are banned on our adversaries soil like facebook or twitter and such. This is incredibly detrimental to our intelligence gathering and now we're in the dark having no clue of what the next move of our adversaries is going to be. The world is at another Cold War between China, Russia, and America. Chinese hackers outnumber the FBI cyber staff 50 to 1 now in the latest report, China has stolen more American data than any other country combined according to the FBI director, we're losing the information war. They have more on us than we have on them, the things that Edward Snowden uncovered would've been a whole lot helpful right now. He's a disgusting traitor, and only ignorant Americans who have no clue of what's going on in the world will say that he's a hero.
Snowden answers almost every question with a back story in which he sets up his point and conclusion. You can’t make a short clip of anything he says lol
vickivale83 Yea it’s definitely very interesting hearing all the information he’s giving. I just wish he would answer the question, and then give the back story.
@@boryf7463 yeah it's a tough listen. I usually watch these clips, so you have some reference of time. I'm watching the full video and he's dragging so much..
Well maybe because its Edward Snowden...the man w the biggest balls on earth. You're a different breed of man when you go up against the richest most powerful nation in the world.
Yeah I also thought it was best Joe didn't interrupt as Snowden needed to explain in detail so many facets of this story interrupting wud have just derailed this entire story.
In the mid to late 1970’s I was in the USAF stationed at Hickam AFB which is separated from the Navy Base at Pearl Harbor by a chain link fence. I had a Top Secret clearance and worked at night where my only job was to transmit and receive a fax that verified the codes for the next 24 hours were set and verified by another Top Secret facility somewhere in the world. I typically would send the fax to a facility in Germany 🇩🇪 and that guy would fax back that he received my fax and all was good. I even drew a picture on the fax of a guy surfing which the guy in Germany enjoyed and he always sent back a joke. The scary part was the building I was in was extremely secured and information was everywhere. I also had to open a safe that was very large and I had to walk inside to get this nightly information. In there was an unbelievable amount of information scheduled to be sent to every Top Secret facility the US had. It was a scary place and job. I started to get extremely anxious and afraid. After about 8 months doing this I went to the PACAF HEADQUARTERS and quit! I could no longer take because I started reading the information that was going to be transmitted when the new codes were set. It was truly SCARY. I’M now a 70yo veteran and a retired Corporate Pilot and hearing Snowden talk brought back very bad memories.
this skinny kid is a moral giant. those kind of people change the world, course of history. unfortunately, they succeed rarely, or they dont live long enough to tell the story. He is a a definition of patriotism. RESPECT!!!
Sorry replied to the wrong thread. I'm a former intel analyst and Snowden was a help desk employee. He didn't have the same clearance the rest of us did. He literally lied about almost everything he "exposed"
You are a brave man, and thank you for being a human being and having a conscience. I'm one of those people who, as you put it, "rocks the boat" and am now suffering the consequences.
This guy deserves a METAL OF HONOR AWARD! Going up and exposing corruption has to be scary. Especially when you’re all by yourself. Exposing and taking down thieves and jackals is the job of all of us. God bless him!
Dear Mr. Rogan, Thank you for allowing this man a platform to chit-chat on. The fact that you didnt interrupt him with different questions that could have derailed his train of thought is very honorable! ❤ I have always enjoyed your content because you allow the conversations to occur organically in a natural fashion that makes the journey of learning together captivating! ❤ Thank you for this moment in my life. It feels wholesome in a wierd sort of way. Time being the most valuable thing a person has to offer another human being. ❤
Hairy Chinese Kid if you can intelligently explain why he is a shill then maybe people will give two fucks about your opinion, but I have a feeling hairy Chinese kid, that you cannot so go back to writing your fifth grade essay on “lord of the flies”🙄
This man LITERALLY sacrificed his whole life to tell us the truth about how bad the spying was, how big of a true patriot/hero is that!?!? This man may have done us one of the greatest services of our era. But were all still addicted to technology.
The spying was necessary, this gave us a huge advantage over other countries and this guy completely destroyed that. Many countries now are skeptical when senidng information over US internet cables in which would have been incredibly advantageous to us. Our foreign adversaries like China now also tread more carefully allowing for more spies to infiltrate America from other countries. Because it showed them how our ins and outs worked, an enormous national security breach from this traitor. He's not a hero, he's a man who's pretending to be a hero, he's nothing more than a traitor that destroyed decades of intelligence gathering on our enemies and destroyed a huge advantage that we had over our foreign adversaries.
The most important thing is that the whole context matters so much xD Like imagine in a hundred years when his story is told without the context people will be like "Well of course you can't trust the government, what were y'all stupid?" not understanding the times and the patriotic surge and everything that had made the pieces fall into place
@@radchad1513 they track ALL viewers If you fail the background check you will get stage 2 observation I was followed to Germany by them Be careful they can FAKE a lot
@@moe5346 awee ole Germany looking for round 3 ? I mean comeon they started the last two and I didn't land at Normandy with the intentions of barbecuing me a naxziii for nohin fella
"They make the law comply with what the agencies want to do, rather than make the agencies comply with the law." That, to me, is probably one of the scariest things a government can start doing.
Quite common when companies or agencies have been regulated for a number of years. The regulator starts becoming sympathetic to the needs of the agency of company instead of the public. Knows as regulatory capture. Basically what’s happening in the uk now with the water companies which keep disposing sewage in fresh water and things like that m.
people having most power want it. From one side - pitty for poor and stupid - from other - isn't it better for earth and humanity in general ? People are so fcn dumb (including me) - i dont think we deserve a car, knowledge in phone in my pocket. For me only matters is knowledge, which I havent perceive - i chased money. But.. i live in a "poor" country so.. at least i have exceuse for this... cognitive dissonance. :D Kind Regards.
@@justinsmith4562 that's the fool vision... "just _dont worry guys, it will be fine, ignore this massive filth that keeps acumulating_ here". LOL What kind of country would we have if the founding fathers thought like that
@@justinsmith4562 people like you are LITERALLY the reason that the Nazi army was able to be formed😂 Willful ignorance and blind obedience are objectively two of the very most immoral things on earth. Either be a better person, or you need to off yourself for the sake of the competence of humanity. I’m not even religious, but I along with with anyone with an IQ above 80 will tell you that the way you live is obviously a sin
@@elso4382 Actually I do. Because I know the truth. I know what they did to me, my family, and many other people! They will have to tell the truth very soon!
Although you will never read this,Mr Snowden,thank you.Thank you for selflessness,your integrity,your willingness to compromise your own values.God bless and be well.
just finished my DOD clearance security awareness refresher the other week. Every year we are reminded of this patriots efforts! Thank you for whistle blowing
It's the comedians job to point out the flaws in things. It's likely the only safe way to broach some su jects. People don't like having their faults , and deffiencies pointed out to them unless they can laugh it off. That is the genius of Dave Chappelle. If you really listen to what he says the topics are anything but funny.
Just skinning up a seriously structurally unstable joint. The quiet is because he is concentrating on the structural integrity after putting 2 Oz in one zoot.
Snowden is a true patriot and a hero who fight for people that don't deserve it. He risks his life and killed his career for rights of Americans. Not everyone has such bravery.
You just believe anything huh? Guys a fucking idiot leaking thousands of documents that had nothing to do with citizen privacy or how about selling to the chinese
He’s so eccentric, & he got great energy. You can tell he really is content w/ his decisions, despite their life altering nature. Having your core beliefs restored is a hell of a feeling
You were so professional Joe!!! You allowed Snowden to tell his story and never interrupted him once. If this was Sean Hannity we would have never even heard a peep from Snow. Love the pod cast.
This corruption I believe was what Catherine Austin Fitts was saying she ran away from, while she worked for Bush. She's one sharp lady, and would be a great guest for Joe's podcast.
One of your best interviews ever. Don't care what either side says, this man is a hero and I've defended him as such since he unveiled what he did when he did.
Agreed. So how do we fix it when most of the sheep-le are occupied with sports and the Kardashians? We have lost our rights and are now subjects of the US government.
He didn’t do shit he just said it people already knew but couldn’t do anything dumbass this been happening since ww2 with the mafia to know shit like the black market and where money and drugs go bro😂🤦♂️💀🙄.
The best part about this video is that there very little interruptions and Snowden just went on smoke and explaining his POV extremely well. Rogan only asked great questions, clarifying questions or just a little reaction like "wow". This is actually pretty great
@@eric7441 there is a law ots there for a reason no one is above the low it says in the preamble of the constitution there for this is unconstitutional
Rico Had they truly believed that then there would zero use for the protect America act and the very deliberate documents changes after being released to the public. It’s clear the government knew they were committing unethical spying but was tried to play it off. Snowden being a high ranking official and making quite the pay felt obligated to let reporters know what was going on after he submitted the files. Now it was the news sites that actually leaked what we saw and not everything made it to the public eye. You could argue that he should have done it anonymously or in a different way but point is he has a death order on his head to this very day because he wanted to let us know. 4 years later most people are at least semi aware of the fact they are being tracked and apps now have the courtesy of saying as much but that’s in large part due to this massive leak. Had he not done the leak we 100% wouldn’t even be aware and to this day there’s no telling what else is being done behind our backs.
Rico that’s my point considering his position there was no other way of leaking the info without being made a fool and disregarded. He didn’t choose to go to Russia but considering the USA cancelled his passport and he had a kill order pretty much every country in the world would comply and arrest him so he fled to the one place America won’t step foot in. He has vocalized how he doesn’t like how things are in Russia and Putin is not great but again in his circumstances you make do with what you can. Towards the end of the interview he mentions how from time to time classified documents become declassified (he said classified document have redacted sections while declassified ones do not but they are the same) they were different from what he had read in his office. To my knowledge no arrests were made. Knowing all of this you still believe the government was in the right here?
Same people working for Clinton's and Obama and no wonder they didn't want an outsider like Trump maga in office. They are still L ieng up to the very minute doing everything to get Trump out. We can't let that happen
Because he told the truth. America's definition of a patriot is someone who shuts up, puts his blinders on and does what he's told. But he is absolutely a human patriot.
@@caiuscosades1791 Yeah, the USA feeds their populations such bullshit and they take it....for example the "war on terror" where the USA first pumped the middle east full of weapons and then invaded, stole the oil, dropped Napalm, killed millions of civilians and starved millions more by sanctions, and then act like these terrorists are the bad guys for hating the USA 🤔
Whenever I think of Snowden and his actions I often think of this quote.-"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Truer words are so seldomly spoken.
People are complaining he doesn't get to the point but I was captivated the whole way through. People have no patience nowadays. I'm glad he told the full story cause I don't have enough money to buy his book😂😂
He did write a book about how all this has been haunting his conscience. So the details and background info that may bore some of us are still all his actual experiences. They were and are likely still very vivid in his mind.
@@joebloggs6922 it amazes me how the same people who complain about to much text or just legit having no patience is the young people of today... Who are probably some of the smartest children in our history (potentially) but they are retarded asf.
