I remember when the David Kats thing happened. The most awkward and funny thing about the whole thing was when Fox News had a debate panel. One of the people on the panel was passionately arguing how video games cause violence and wanted simulated gun violence out of real life tournaments. Then when she learned that Madden was a football game, she was left speechless.
The "What did he shoot me with" line is chilling. The victim probably hoped it was a prank or he was using BBs or rubber bullets and held on to that hope.
@@Yonko-ColaYeah, some people go in intense situations come off as disturbingly calm, because their minds are focused on dealing with situation, and processing everything later. Usually once the situation is over, it hits them and they can even break down.
Major respect for Doublelift. Not only a great League player, but having to deal with strict Asian parents, making his own way, dealing with family tragedy, and still pushing on.
Horseshit. That doesn’t last forever. I would have rather had strict ass parents than none at all. As someone in the foster care, “tiger parents” is the dumbest excuse and narrative that’s ever existed.
Winning a tournament after your parents were murdered is a different type of animal. All the respect to Doublelift and rest in peace to all the victims.
It's so fucking heartbreaking and disturbing that while he was winning the tournament, being all excited and stuff, his brother was killing his mother.. jesus. That is just tragic..
Murderer: this was premeditated. I even wrote a book. Lawyer: this was a spur of the moment decision. He can’t be held accountable for something he did on impulse.
the worst part is that they fell for the Lawyers trap as well. This shows how corrupt and dumb the Justicial system can be that they go with something so insanely wrong.
@@realgod1002 I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, I think lawyers can be fooled by their clients, which they can't always be blamed for; on the other, I think lawyers who DID know their client is guilty and are merely doing damage control because it's what they signed up for are unethical. If a lawyer can be proven to have KNOWN they were telling a lie like the one pointed out here, I feel this should count as perjury and be punished accordingly.
@@CocoWantsACracker in this case the lawyer knew... cause the killer had an entire book written about it. Claiming "It was a spur of the moment thing" Contradicts that evidence. That's like if i have a detailed plan on robbing a bank and my lawyer goes "Nah he just felt like it on that day".
@@realgod1002 Ah, I somehow thought the book was published only after the trial. If it was out there by that time, it's quite a clean cut case for sure.
DoubleLift's story is heartbreaking. I can't imagine what he felt when he first received the news, then still went on to compete in the finals a week later and win. Just overwhelming emotions. Glad to see he's doing well today.
The heartbreaking part of it is, is that his parents were not very supportive or caring parents. Of coarse, That doesn't excuse murder. But it gives insight into their screwed up, disfunctional, unloving way of Tiger Parenting. Tiger Parenting is a form of Mental and Emotional abuse for Asian children.
Hate is a strong word. Parents want what is best for their children and feel conventional means are more likely to comfortably see their kids through life. Heavy on 'parents want what is best for their children'. You arent a parent and would not understand their internal turmoil. @@ahmedaliyu1495
@@GraveYardShif7, You are right about tiger parenting. A psychiatrist told me he was seeing the patients who were dealing the psychological effect from tiger parenting.
@@ashspike5232 Is he wrong? Those people will attack others just because they are wearing a different color. They never feel bad for anything they do until their actions catch up to them. It's a lack of empathy.
For those who also don't know how the justice system works here in Brazil: there is no life-sentence here, the maximum time you can get in jail, no matter the crime, is 40 years. Also no matter the gravity of the crime, there is a chance of you never complete your sentence, ex: Elize Matsunaga, a woman who killed her husband in several pieces, stuffed it inside of a luggage and then tried to burried it, got 19 years and 11 months but was release after completing only 10 years and now works as an Uber, another example is a goalkeeper from an huge team here in Brazil (Flamengo) called Bruno Fernandes das Dores de Souza (aka. Goleiro Bruno) who was arrested on the charges of homicide, concealment of corpse (via making his two dogs eating the corpse), kidnapping and false imprisonment of his own ex-lover Eliza Samudio, which was alleged pregnant of his own child, he got 23 years and 1 month but only completed 10 years and now keeps playing as goalkeeper in a small soccer team and lives like nothing has happened. That's Brazil for ya, the only crimes that's guarantee of death is whatever is related to child and since even the officers knows about how useless these sentences are, they usually announce to everyone what kind of crime you committed before put you in a cell.
If you look up details of the Dota story, the state of Joshua's body was so gruesome. That year he died, many other teenagers were killed by police. Forensics recently revealed foul play. Appreciate wavy adding sociopolitical context. Many poor kids here play games as an escape.
I feel bad for Sebastián that young man n that shot officer are the victims Joshua totally did it n i think he killed Sebastián Yes you can plant drugs n evidence But impossible to make up bullet trajectory and the fact a cop is lying down bleeding that physical evidence is as good and strong as DNA or a camera recording That level of evidence cant be planted because of gsr or other dna evidence demonstrates TAMPERING or manipulation of a murder n THAT WOULD GO PUBLIC Plus most DRUG DEALERS i knew back in the hood in the 90s n 2000s in the streets stole cars rob gas stations and sold drugs so its in the personality of these to eventually move UP IN the crime road to redrum n manslaughter n RICO
I did . So I definitely get it. My Sega Genesis was My Besty & I had friends, I had My real BFF from 6yo that became My Brother & We stayed down until His passing on Thanksgiving 2008 2 days before His 29th B Day I’m still down with His Family . I do feel bad that more time goes by the less We see each other The less I stop by but it’s just from time flying bye bye I still text His Momz every few months , which I should be doing a lot more . Life’s a trip . Anyways …. As I was saying… Lol Yea, My Sega Genesis and then My Play Station was what kept Me going for a good decade Until I finally let a girl get Me away from gaming But then of course a couple years later people were actually making loot from gaming but I quit because I didn’t want to appear to be waisting My time 🤦♂️ Every time you let someone else dictate what you do instead of going with what has always been there … I was really good @ Madden too . For some reason I have not been able to get back into gaming Whatever happened that got Me to quit playing, it severed something. Lol. But FR I wanted to , I’ve bought a PS3 back when but hardly played it I’m thinking of getting a Meta Quest 2 VR When I played My nephews it was super cool Also considering getting The X Box S because it’s new and much more affordable I like Play Station much more but I don’t think it would be smart to spend $600 + to get back in and to get started So…. Yea…. Here’s a Book for ya to read 😁 I hope You enjoy it as much as I did writing this 😊 I’ll have to comeback and give You a heads up when I actually make the purchase 😁 ✌️🙏
Man the last story was such a tragedy and an embarrasment to my countrys authorities. I lived in the same town as him for 21 years before migrating to canada. Police will kill "alleged" drug suspects just to meet their quota so they can get promoted. People would rather go to a radio talk show (raffy tulfo in action) than going to the police to report an incident
This is rather true because the Police can't do s*** unless you gave them money and/or your popular like celeb/politics. That's the time they will take actions. Looks like their Quote "To serve and Protect" is no longer apply to them. The officials says that they want things in proper yet they are covering up the truth just to keep their image clean.
God I wasnt expecting to see Doublelift's story here since he wasnt the perpetrator but given the nature of some of the other coverings that are on the video I suppose its to be expected. I still remember the day I got the news on what happened to DL's family. Man, I followed this guy closely back in my teenage League years and was rooting for his career. I was even brought to tears in his interview where he swore he would make amends to his parents. The guy deserves better.
Wild to see how DL's older brother went so mental over the breakup,my condolences to everyone involved in Doublelift's family Especially Doublelift who probably never would've suspected that his brother that got him started on his eSports career would be capable of smth like this
it's obviously tragic when this type of tragedy happens, but it's also disturbingly fascinating to see how some people can completely fly off the handle for reasons that seem super mundane to everyone else
Yeah penguinzo just dropped a video about a guy who was asked to not vape around a child, and he went on to stab the man who asked, in front of his child and he died. Something as simple as asking someone to chill on the vaping.
Just a quick note: In the Call of Duty case, it was stated that Guilherme only avoided life in prison due to his mental health situation. In Brazil, we do not have life sentences. No one can be in prison for more than 30 years at a time.
I'm not Brazilian, but I've read that there are ways of judges to make exceptions to that rule in very extreme cases, is that right? This is probably not considered an extreme enough case, but a gang leader for example.
That last story is truly chilling… knowing what kind of power any police force has to fabricate lies to lean the story into their favor is one of my biggest fears of this world. It makes me lose hope in any justice system and policing we have, and the only real way you can be protected is by protecting yourself.
@@afalseerra9517 dude, My home country is the most murderous in the planet no joke. We have 10000 murders per year and it got that bad when guns right were practically revoked. I don't think you get the psychological power anyone probably having a gun has on criminals, and how not having them leave room for police to literally act like tyrants with the pretext that they are supposed to defend the population instead of themselves. Btw some years prior here we had a famous case of a criminal who was being chased for months and know one even the police couldn't stop him. Dude traveled the whole country and was stopped the minute he got into a farm where the owner had a shotgun (one of the feel instences that you can have a gun here) and shot his shoulder... So yeah guns actually stop shit if you didn't know
This is why most police forces here in america have badge cams. If you think law enforcement in this country is corrupt like the phillipines then you're a complete ignorant fool.
The scariest part about these stories is that murderers aren't always handlebar mustache-twirling villains in some dark castle during a thunderstorm. They can and often do appear, sound, and even interact in such an unsuspecting way, that I don't blame anyone for not anticipating these kinds of things.
Guess my comment was too truthful for RU-vid to leave up? Let me try again. Almost everyone in these situations shows the same warning signs and backgrounds. All you have to do is pay attention
@@Acr6gAttt-mq2hrI think the difference is between looking at warning signs vs jumping to conclusions based on outward appearances. Like I remember a video where some hotel staff in Ohio called the FBI on an Emirati tourist claiming that he was associated with ISIS and what not. People don't want to peer deep into a person to see actual warning signs, and it is important to know the distinction between doing that and assuming based on appearance, what the OP was getting at.
my heart especially ached listening to the last story. as a child of filipino immigrants we are taught to be proud in our identity and of our heritage so it is so terrible to hear that the people back in our home country are suffering so much due to the government that is meant to protect them
@@octagonseventynine1253 it's funny you mentioned that since most ignorant people are symptomatically proud of their countries and their "heritage". Don't get me wrong, you can be proud. But you must know the cost, or else you will just be blindly representing something you barely know. That is ignorant.
I remember when the Laxamana story broke, I can tell you that how wavy described the DOTA2 police murders are actually even worse. Murders happen on a daily basis here and the police won't even bat an eye and as described would be the main perpetrators of such murders. It's so common that we all just kind of...gotten used to it, sad at it may sound. My heart goes out to the families of Laxamana and Sebastian, I hope you get the justice you've been hoping for.
Disagree it seemed like the police are right here He was on a stolen bike ALONE could've dumped his friend to keep a secret thats why they never found him n been dealing drugs The fact AN OFFICER GOT SHOT pretty impossible to make that specific detail up as a lie People who deal drugs steal vehicles to avoid being traced n carry firearms Yes police can be CORRUPT but its few n far between n is quite rare but ITS SO BLOWN out of proportion we think otherwise Or me you or someone WHOSE CLOSE to you got caught n you think its unfair That prejudice caused by genuine emotion can cloud ONES PROPER JUDGMENT I think he did it because there are details they mention that seem OPEN N SHUT n are near impossible to MAKE UP
I had been a Sergeant for just over a year in JSO, I had been with the Sheriff’s Office for just over 7 at that point, now 13 years. I will never forget that day. One of the worst days of my career. I'll never forget hoofing down Bay St. Silver lining, the lovely family that owned the place, now operates a wonderful arcade that I frequent regularly.
I am 100% certain that the police just planted evidence on those kids. The police in our homes genuinely would do that, especially since it was furing the war on drugs.
David’s mom messed him up. If you look into the case she was responsible for having him over-medicated from a young age. Even the dad pleaded the court to not have him on so much medication when he was young
@@tvh369 tell me you live in agony with your mentally unstable mom that drives you insane, without telling me you live in agony with you mentally unstable mom that drives you insane 😂
@@tvh369 dysfunctional family issues at an early age is a well known factor in mental issues. This doesn't matter. Happens on a daily basis and those people don't go out and kill people.
@@imsotallytober5 mothers don't always kill their children from post partum depression yet what do ya know most who do go that far never receive consequences. I agree mental health is not a excuse to do evil actions but come back to me when your willing to talk about that portion of the problem instead of bitching about some men not being able to handle abuse.
I still watch some of DoubleLifts content and I completely forgot all of this happened. The fact that he was able to keep himself together and keep trucking is amazing. Guy is an inspiration.
Yea wow I never knew about this. It’s so amazing that he came through and won the championship after. I can’t imagine what he must’ve been feeling around that time. I remember watching him in high school years before this happened.
This was terrifying for me as my closest friend sent me a picture of his kids playing at the Jacksonville Landing literally an hour before this happened. Apparently he and his kids left about 20 minutes before the shooting started.
@@danieljoshuaplummer841 you're glad he "got out" by leaving well before there was any reason to believe anything bad was about to happen? Stop being silly. There's nothing terrifying about being somewhere where nothing at all happened while you were there.
As a Filipino, I love that last bit about Philippines. It's good that you're spreading awareness about the human rights violations that happened / is happening in the country. Very much appreciated!
I remember idiots in my county commending Duterte when he was first elected and saying we should elect someone like him ourselves. They laughed when people pointed out that making it ok to summarily execute anyone just for being accused of being involved in drugs could easily be used as a tool to silence any political opposition or remove certain groups of people from society. Those same people will now deny that they ever approved of Duterte
@@jth4242 The leaders need to be held accountable for the killings. The war on drugs never worked. It failed. What we have left are thousands of families who lost their fathers, husbands, and children.
I can't imagine, he finally realized that despite the drama, he still loved his family and just wanted to go back and be with them again, just for his brother that he looked up to to go and kill their mom and hospitalize their dad.
I remember hearing about the madden shooting when I was just about to enter my high school esports team, it was during the beginning of the "boom" that was happening and it shook the entire community when that happened. I heard a bunch of organizations did VERY harsh security a week after it.
If there was close to no security to begin with, then that’s a problem of it’s own. Even in the homes where the players stay, there’s a lot that goes on. A lot which you won’t know until someone finally decides to put it out there. Moral of the story: safety should be a #1 priority.
Should have been security to begin with. Emotionally unstable and developmentally stunted adults in a country that has easy access to firearms gathering to compete in video games that are the only thing that give their lives meaning is a disaster waiting to happen. Bizarre that nobody realised that until it happened.
Not surprised on the DOTA police story. I saw a vid where a policeman in the Philippines shot and killed a mother and son, the son was being arrested and the mother wouldn't let him go so the officer shot them. Not only was it caught on video but he shot them in front of their family.
@@AmirRazan Giga G 1 minute ago Yeah... It was viral.... Just say the magic word: "I don't care eh! eh! eh!" or "My Father is a Policeman!" And also Don't worry, that Asshole was already Dead... Died in prison. And Still laughingstock alongside with his Daughter to these days.
@@AmirRazan I think, I need to make some few elaboration as I remember because it had been memed so much... This vid Viral in FB primarily. The context is it went altercation because the victim is using a Boga, A Bazooka like firework for you know.... Fireworks? And it hints that happens around End of the year because Philippines likes cracking some fireworks at that month (Around October to December) even in broad daylight... Then, this Police and his daughter confronts the guy alongside with his grandma... As I remember, this can be fixed by few talks but no! Police in the Philippines likes action! With guns of course! The Daughter brags it that "That her Dad is Policeman!" And they should be get intimidate.... But this old granny said "I don't care Eh! Eh! Eh!" And this "Policeman" snapped, pulls out his gun bang! Bang! Like a Gangster handling aim to the head of both of the Old Woman and Her grand son...
There was also another story you may have covered it already but it was about someone who flew from American to the UK to murder his prior internet girlfriend after she ended the relationship. He also ratted her prior to the attempted murder and monitored her activity and chats she had with other people. He even researched hand to hand combat and had a murder kit and everything. One sick twisted person. She survived but still that's such a horrible thing to do and was planned out and everything months in advance.
@@flarestorm9417 Exactly, he invited her over so he could kill her, she didn't cross any "path". Psychopath, pure and simple. When he gets out, he will be a danger to everyone.
@@Stoned420Guru you'd be saying the same thing about mass murders. They really do kill anyone that cross their path. And you'd call them a pussy anyway. Just call them all evil and make it even. Not reason to bring your masculinity into this.
All my love to DL. I haven't seen much of his content but though he was notorious as a trashtalker, he seems really genuine in his streams and it's tragic that he has to suffer through the consequences of his brother's actions. I can't even fathom it. I know it'll never go away; death never does, and i imagine that is especially the case when it is something of this nature. But I hope and believe that he has been and will continue to be capable of coping in a manner that won't be detrimental to his self... Truly one of the most tragic situations I've seen
He's notorious for having a close friend of his turn his back on him and give the team an ultimatum as well as causing a team mate to turn to alcoholism from working with doublelift. dl deserves no respect.
Just as he said he wanted to reconnect to his family, especially his mother (bc he specifically said he loved his mother after 10 years) this shit hit hard, no one deserves this
I've meat my fair share of trash talkers who outside of competitive gaming were not only chill, but genuine kind ppl. I don't know, maybe is the way they can release their bad parts somewhere lol
Ingrid deserves better. Can't believe they'd let a complete psycho like that run loose after only 14 years. At least that woman who was locked up for 40 years showed actual guilt for her actions.
I'm from Jacksonville and i had frequented GLHF (it was one of the places me and my now husband had one of our first dates) i knew about the shooting but no one would explain the reasoning. (i was living out of state for a job opportunity)I was sad that GLHF never came back after months of promising a rebuild. I completely understand their decision to let that area go now. I thought it was a random shooter (along with the general collapse of downtown)
I remember watching the news about the DOTA 2 murders here in the Philippines. And let me tell you, 2018 is a freaking violent year, since the, at the time, ongoing War Against Drugs are reaching levels of death that's really making the people worried for their own safety.
It's crazy how in every country drugs win the war every single year. It's almost like treating drugs as a "crime" topic instead of a "public health hazard" topic for decades has not been working.
i have heard about a decent amount of traumatic events that happened on august 26th in many years, including one specific event, one that also happened on august 26th many years back, the world may never heal from: my birthday but in all seriousness, all of these tragedies, regardless of date, time, cause, motive, etc. they should never be forgotten, in hopes that history never repeats itself
It's sickening that a cold-blooded murderer was sentenced to only 14 years in prison. A creep like that WILL kill again if given the chance. Nothing short of life in prison is appropriate for murderers.
Insanity defenses make no fucking sense. "Your honor my client didn't murder someone as a crime of passion, he's a coldblooded psycho killer who does it for fun." "Oh okay let's cut it down to 14 years, unleash him on society again with parole in 8"
@@CorporateG0thThat just means that the defendant has to be locked up in an asylum instead of a prison. At least in prison you can leave early by behaving good.
@@11th-lemon if institutionalization is indeed applied, rather than just them being found to have diminished capacity and receiving a lesser sentence. Esp. with "temporary insanity" the latter is often the case.
Man I haven’t cried in a long time but when the announcer told the families that he did die around people that love him I broke a lil bit I won’t lie so sad that man decided to do what he did.
I went to high school with Eli(One of the madden victims) and knew him pretty well. We played football and were in the same film group. He was a talented football player and very smart and polite. He deserved so much better😢
As a Brazilian who was there at the time of the murder of the Call of duty guy, I was staying in Brazil before coming back to the US and it was absolutely terrifying seeing that while living in the same city as the guy, it was all over the news.
@@xXClassicUserXx Not as much as ppl think, and not in all favelas. A lot of them are peaceful and well-guarded. There are some where the war on drugs still runs free tho, and most ppl are killed by lost bullets in the operations.
An addendum about the Jax Landing: The Landing wasn't demolished because of the mass shooting. The Landing had long been neglected and experienced declining revenue and tenet turnover. There were also safety concerns and inadequate security. Highlighting the Jax Landing's neglect, GLHF Game Bar wasn't a legal establishment. It was a small backroom in Chicago Pizza at the Landing with minimal egress, with PCs lined against the window and numerous booths with consoles. Organizers had to ask people to leave during the tournament because there wasn't enough space for everyone. Moreover, GLHF didn't have a permit to operate as a business from the COJ and violated numerous fire codes. GLHF was a safety hazard, and I wonder if those two men would still be alive if GLHF had just followed the permitting process and didn't operate illegally.
May everyone who lost their lives in these murders rest in peace. Thank you for documenting these cases, it's not easy but these cases need to be heard
Honestly, my heart goes out ot Doublelift and his family. Having to grow in one of those strict stereotipical asian and black household is rough and I was lucky enough to have my parents support my future as an artist (after having to deal with a lot of things in the past between all of us). I only heard of DL from this video, but happy to see him push forward
@@kennypowers1945 I realized my comment and there's kinda stereotypes for all race households, but I specifically was referring to stereotypical asian households. It's where the asian parents expect very high grades and a high paying future, then use harsh punishment if otherwise. Usually a helicopter/tiger parent. Of course, not all asian households are like this, but it's pretty common (or at least a common stereotype we know)
@@kennypowers1945yes at least definitely for Asian households. The stereotype is like the parents expect them to get straight As, learn an instrument, spend all their time studying, no social life. The parents choose the profession for their kids, basically whatever makes the most money, in particular medicine doctor/dentist or atleast a stem field. Extremely strict, overbearing and authoritarian, which may include physical violence, etc. Obviously it's a stereotype it's not true all the time, but it's definitely fairly common.
@@kennypowers1945it's pretty common that in Asian and black households parents are more strict. A white child would be able to yell and scream at their parents without consequences while if you do that in a black or Asian household you will get your ass beat. And the list goes on.
I actually visited the site of the Madden Shooter a couple of time. It was a really cool hang out spot. They had consols, pc's a small food lounge. The place as legit. Worst thing though was that I had a friend that was thinking about attending the event the day of the shooting. Luckily he didn't. Was pretty crazy to have this sort of thing happen in your home city though.
Imagine youre going to a gaming conpetition and you find out a competators mother died, his father was in poor condition in a hosital, and that his own brother did it...and on top of all of that, the dude is still attending the competition...bro id leave right then and there lmao thats some beast type sht 😂 And he still has a successful gaming career and uploads to this day! Hes the main character for sure
The last story is unfortunately not uncommon. Some police do the "planting drugs" thing. Also yes, there are corrupt police officers - even abusing their power.
@@Skibidi_Fazbear I keep telling myself this too, especially since I have someone on my mom’s side of our family who is actually a good cop. With stories like these though I question… everything.
I'm just so sad about the death of Daniel. The couple from craigslist clearly were very stupid and didn't know what the hell they were doing. It's just sad that it costed Daniel's life in the process.
@@The.Original.Potatocakes What do you mean by "those kind of people"? The poor? Something tells me you'd rather not clarify because it'd make you sound foolish.
The League Story is kinda wholesome, its great to here the guy is thriving in tournaments, hopefully his brother is handed the rightful sentence in prison for life, and I hope his Dad makes a full recover! 👍
Not to give them any credit, since they are all mentally ill in some way. But for the Madden player there was 5k on the line. For somebody like him who doesn't have much going for him in life I imagine it was more important to him than just winning the game.
yeah, hearing him say that one day he'd like to just be their son like normal again and then seeing how that will never really happen truly is pretty heartbreaking
The PS4 robbery was _TRULY_ f***** up. As a PS4 fan and fellow gamer, I’m so sorry for Daniel, may he Rest In Peace. I send my sincere condolences for his family 💐 😢 The league of legends tragedy broke my heart. My heart goes out for Double lift and his family.
@@nashbullet3213 If I were so dumb to meet urbanites at night, you are free to blame me! We don't have many urbanites where I live but we do have plenty of people facing Mecca. I would not meet any of them at night either. Maybe not even fellow whytes. It's about knowing the risk and not walking into an ambush!
One add-on to the Guilherme's case: He didn't get life in prison, not because the jury considered him mentally unstable or sth, but because there is no life imprisonment in Brazil. The system is so ridiculous that is likely he won't even serve his full 14-year sentence in jail.
You guys don't have a "state hospital" for the criminally insane? In the USA he would have been sent into the "state hospital" system and that would effectively be a life sentence for a delusional killer with anti-social personality disorder. The doctors and the hospital director get the final say in whether an inmate is to be released and they'd have a hard time ever letting one like him back out in clean conscience.
@@poisonouslead85 Yeah, but I don't think it would apply to his case (in brazil at least). The state can also hold indefinitely criminals who are considered a permanent threat to society, but its mostly used only in high-profile cases, such as serial killers or leaders of criminal organizations.
I’m glad both are serving time, but it’s NUTS to me how the teenage girl who pulled out a gun and killed someone without hesitation got just 40 years, and the man who actually didn’t kill anyone got LIFE in prison. Wild.
Plea deal. Basically, she admitted to everything without further fuss in favor of a reduced sentence. Further, she was underage at the time despite being tried as an adult, and courts tend to be more lenient in such cases. It says something that despite the plea, she got *40* years. That is very likely going to be more than half her entire life. If that was the plea deal, the *reduced sentence,* she may very well have been facing life herself...or possibly even the death sentence.
plea deals can seem fucked up but they do serve a practical purpose in the court system. it encourages people to admit to their crimes which helps lower the cost of processing a criminal if you don't have to fight a lengthy court battle to prove they're guilty. it also turns criminals against each other by appealing to their selfishness. you can help yourself by ratting out your accomplices. it's not a perfect system by any means and plenty of people get off on light sentences that they shouldn't because of bad plea deals, or plea deals made without all the evidence. but in particular with this case, her plea deal is really bringing out the misogynists who don't know what a plea deal is or how American court systems work. many people are claiming she got a lighter sentence just for being a woman. it's not hard to prove they're wrong but it's nearly impossible to convince people they hold bigoted beliefs and to change them.
@@ahmadzahraniAAZ Even if it does happen (which guess what, isnt the case here anyway), it doesnt excuse your rampant misogyny when discussing women and criminal justice lol
As a schizophrenic myself I just want to clarify that we are more of a danger to ourselves than we are to other people. We're not monsters, we're just scared.
As someone who has been in contact with a lot of people going through different mental health issues, illnesses and disorders (because of hospitalization), I'd like to second this. However, there *are* cases in which these people can present some danger to others. And that is, if schizophrenia *was* the right diagnosis for Katz
I’ve been lucky to meet many people who happened to have schizophrenia or are schizo-affective. Most of them you would never have guessed there were any issues whatsoever. Working with a team of mental health care providers and being on meds at just the right dose can do wonders for the lives of those with mental illness of any kind. I really hope the stigma of schizophrenia lessens with upcoming, younger generations. Take care and I wish the best for you.
I was actually doing security for a company hired by 716-Food (pronounced seven, one, six, food) at the time the Madden tournament event that was held here. I really didn't think very much of the guy. He was just about the least assuming and most introverted guy ever. More uncomfortable under the spotlights than anything else. What a sad, sad thing to have happen. The loss of innocent life is so heinous I don't know how to describe it.
I completely forgot about the Doublelift story. Dude's a gigachad for going and winning the LCS the next week like he did. After that I mentally agreed with myself to support him wherever he went.
Ingrid was a friend from my circle of friends. Guilherme sent the letters for one of our friends (a game researcher) through email too without context about it, and she commented through twitter. It was when many of us started to know well what happened.
I just got into gaming right when the DoubleLift story broke, and I also only lived not even 5 miles away from the scene. It made me hesitate to even pick up a controller for awhile. Scary stuff.
I always like the way you finish each story, not just randomly after telling the outcome but kind of finishing the way you opened the story... if anyone knows what I mean. Makes it feel complete.
That last one is so infuriating I really cant even stomach the thought that the police, people who're supposed to protect you can be so cold hearted so easily
tbh where im from, i catch myself being more worried about a police cruiser sitting on a corner than some random vehicle with tinted windows and weed smoke coming out of it.
i feel deeply for ingrid, though all of these stories are ofc very sad. being a "gamer girl" i am sure she faced misogyny daily, so for her to meet up irl with a guy she met from a game, he must have really made her think he cared for her, when really he was planning to take her life all along. her last moments must have been filled with horror, regret, betrayal and fear, not to mention the physical pain... may she and the other victims rest in peace.
So, you sort of told a half story with the first one. Elijah, the first guy he shot, had been constantly bullying David for a pretty extended period of time. That was a pretty big contributing factor as to what lead up to the shooting.
Not that I think he deservered to die and it was a huge tragedy but I noticed that Wavy and GFM both left this out while Coffeehouse Crime went into more details.
As a person from jacksonville, i remember this event. "The landing" the name of the shopping center it was held in, was already a sketchy place and slowly declining as stores closed. This event was basicly the end of the place and now its been bulldozed and a new park put in.
A lot of people who become completely obsessed with gaming are usually looking to escape reality. Whether it be to escape violence, loneliness, abuse, or mental problems, it becomes a way to obtain control in a real-world life that doesn’t seem to have any. When they lose a game, get bullied by other gamers, or have their games taken away by family/parents/guardian, the loss of control infiltrates the only place they considered safe and they can’t handle it. They lash out.
you make a really great point and i would just like to add to it. gamers that get pissed about pronouns and trans people don't realize that games are also escapes for trans people too. if you play a game and it has a gay/trans person or the ability to be gay/trans in it, and your immediate reaction is to rage and cry and kill people over it, it's just demonstrative of the fact that games are only allowed to be escapes from reality for Some people. otherwise it's putting "politics" in games, disregarding the fact that games like metal gear solid, call of duty, or one especially on the nose like spec ops the line are all political games. it's only not okay when it's politics they don't like, when it's the lives of people they would rather not think about.
I was actually watching the madden tourney on stream and was one of the most terrifying things to witness and hear I've ever been through, I still hope everyone who was impacted there have found peace
@@LoominousShroominous I couldn't even begin to imagine what it was like the horror knowing that you could be so close to not seeing the next day. I really do hope every single person that was there has been able to find some sort of closure
There was a really crazy murder in my town in Florida known as "The Xbox Murders" where this no good dude brought a crew over to the house he was squatting at to get his xbox back (he would hide his coke inside) and when they arrived to find a group of highschool friends in the house, they massacred all of them. It was such a crazy ordeal.
I remember seeing pictures of the victims of the Madden shooter and it was super traumatizing how one of the victims was still in his chair when he bled out and died. All that over a damn madden tournament. That's just insane bruh
My brother was supposed to be at that Madden Tournament but he decided not to go. Taylor only lived an hour away from me. It still gives me chills thinking out that. Rest in Paradise.
Lol, the fucking COD Killer: "I had been meticulously planning this murder for 2 weeks" The Plan: 1. Bring girl to house 2. Kill with sword Can't believe it only took him 2 weeks to come up with that.
Here's a couple details you left out for David Katz. Whilst I do not condone his actions. 1. His mother failed him miserably 2. David actually sent a letter to a judge as a cry for help 3. One of the dead, Elijah actively taunted David prior to the situation So no, the shooting was not over a game. David's mental anguish was blatantly ignored by everyone in his life.
The issue between Catz and Clayton wasn't some rivalry over a game that got out of hand. It's best described as years of bullying with Clayton going out of his way to mess with Catz just because he was socially awkward. Examples include Clayton buying a copy of a book that Catz had published and putting it online for free download. Inviting Catz to share a taxi with him after beating Catz at a tournament only to slam the door in Catz's face and drive off. I am in no way condoning what David Catz did but I feel it is important for that fact to be known for context.
While most of theese kind of videos disclaims that theese monsters are rare exceptions in the gaming community. I feel like it's important to say that this also goes for people with schizofrenia as it's is even more stigmatized than gamers. Schizophrenia can couse extreme and delusional paranoia but far from everyone responds to fear with severe violence. You also need to be an agressive person to respond this way.
100%. And especially anyone with a mental illness. Those who have a mental illness are overwhelmingly more likely to be a victim of a mass shooting or shooting in general than to be a shooter. I am extremely glad that mental health in general is becoming more accepted and accessible than it has been previously. But I feel it can be a double edged sword at the same time. I am thankful that you said this. And no one should ever feel shame about getting help as well. Just because you might or do have a mental illness doesn't mean you are a criminal, cruel, or hateful. It means you are a person who has an illness. Just like the cold or the flu and you need help. So please never feel shame in reaching out.
@@Fifjfnfnfjfhdjdjdjf People with schizophrenia is the better term. People with disabilities, not disabled people. "Schizophrenic" can be perceived as a slur.
@bdarecords_ I'm aware. I'm schizophrenic myself and use that term because I'm sick of the fact that having this illness is perceived as something you have to distance yourself from by putting a "have" or "with" in before the illness (I'm schizophrenic vs I have schizophrenia). "Schizo" might be perceived as a slur, but the schizophrenic/person with schizophrenia thing is in my experience more about some people wanting to separate themselves from their illness (which is perfectly valid by the way, it's just that I'm not one of them) in a they "have" and illness, they aren't their illness kind of way. I've also heard plenty of people with disabilities refer to themselves as disabled. In the end it just depends on the individual and what they're comfortable with. Sorry this got a bit long, I just wanted to explain myself.
Agree. Is stupid how she, the one that scalated everything to that point is allowed to have a reduced sentence compared to the pdrson who planned a robbery, not a murder. But those are the bias of the legal system.
It’s a messy case. She was definitely groomed by her “boyfriend” at as early as age 15, so he honestly might have convinced her to be willing to do that.
She took a plea deal. You realize those are usually more lenient in the punishment because you’re saving the time money involved with the actual trial, and most likely she was also helping the case against her BF who took it to court.
doublelift's story is so heartbreaking, during the tournament they were doing the Netflix documentary "7 days out" at around 12:30 ish in the documentary, you actually see him checking his phone and finding out what happened and trying to make a phonecall. It's fucking sad.
God, the David Kats situation, this was my city. It's really eerie when Facebook gives you the option to mark yourself as 'safe' when it's not hurricane related. The Landing (where this happened) has been town down a few years ago.
