I knew something was off immediately with the way he kept mispronouncing jazz, but if you don't know Michael Rosen it's definitely convincing. If he had picked someone that has less distinct speaking mannerisms, it definitely would've fooled me.
Wait 'til you meet some classical snobs, they'll even say that their favourite orchestra is total shite because the strings used a touch too much vibrato in one passage of a piece.
@@raulperez2308 there's nothing wrong with enjoying a certain type of music, only thing I don't like is when people feel better than others for liking different music :)
yesterday i hear a child playing filthy distorted guitar lick in musis shop >:( i took out sax and played bopebop and he thanked me and sold his guitar to buy saxophone and everyone in store applaud. it was a good day :DD
On the contrary, there seems to be very little love for heavy music from "jazzers" and this is exactly what a lot of them sound like when talking about metal lol
@@Rahul_1.618 I love both, but grew up with jazz longer, I was lucky to have 92 year old music teacher at the time who played with duke Ellington and Charlie Parker, the guys name was Jimmy Buchanan, anyway, when I chill I listen to we almost lost Detroit, and then wage slave when I'm taking a walk
No, but as someone who grew up a die hard metal fan then got equally (if not more) into jazz later, I can say metalheads have no context as to where metal musicians exist on the musical food chain.
@@MegaBanne And then the artists went absolutely insane and it got too complicated for anyone to derive any emotion except pain and confusion from it unless they too had spent 10 years learning the ins and outs of jazz.
@@benjamintoulouse7052 That's true in fact, even the greatest and best writed parragraph explaining why something is bad would not be able to win a "Well, I like it anyways"
. Good evening, Arya! Don't worry, monsieur Arya! I didn't invent jazz, but I composed one! Listen to the last bar in my 4th movement of "A Musical Joke", I used polytonality.
Jazz is basically Metal's great-aunt. Jazz and Blues both came from former slaves in the US. Blues eventually gave birth to Rock, and Rock gave birth to Metal!
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Jazz. The modulation is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical harmony most of the overtones will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Coltrane's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his music- his modal changes draw heavily from the Real Book, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these chords, to realise that they're not just stank- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Jazz truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in John Coltrane's existential catchphrase "A Love Supreme," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Jacob Collier's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a "lick" tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
@Jake R Since you made me laugh so much I'll give you some context. Look up the "To be fair" copypasta, and then you can watch this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YoNt6I_mvlY.html It's *meant* to sound like an elitist asshole talking about a cartoon, I just added some vaguely jazz-related words. You'd think the overtone pun or the lick tattoo would be a dead giveaway, lol. Then again, people like that probably exist in real life. Poe's law and all that. For the sake of your mental health, I grew up in a family of musicians and have played tons of genres (mostly classical), so the ignorant elitist jazz musician is just a character (as is most of what you'll read in Simon's comments). That said, I'll take your reaction as a compliment. Now we're both in on the joke. :)
I love metal and fusion music from Weather Report to Morbid Angel... I think Rust in Peace is the worst example for your point. That album is full of tasty music, pentatonic and exotic scales alike. Friedman playing in this is as good as anything from Metheny, Gambale, Di Meola and even Holdsworth.
Maybe a drummer. I always respected classical music a shitload more, and I hear a shitload more classical influences in the metal I've listened to over the years.
You ever heard of a guy called Dennis Chambers? He is a "fusion jazz" drummer but very proficient in the jazz side of fusion as well. Live clips of him with john scofield contain some pretty killing double bass action.
@@tuomas3964 It's quite pathetic that metalheads think that metal is the only one who play double bass. If they see jazz fusion drummers like Benny Greb, Chris Coleman or Denis Chambers they'll definitely sh1t their pants Edit : Since many people are saying Dave Weckl and Gavin Harrison, just added them to the list. Hell metalheads when they listen to Bleed by Meshuggah are like "Ohhhh that's soooo sick, that's so awesome" while Thomas is just playing hertas om the feet and a simple basic 4/4 on the hands (quarter note on hi hat & snares om backbeat). While Gavin Harrison effortlessly plays that same foot herta pattern while doing a 12/8 Afro-Cuban pattern on the ride and snare. Yeah, you already know who is superior
I was confused because I have heard of this guy and I know that he only makes wholesome kids poetry, but then I noticed that it's fake. This is actually so impressive that it fooled me for a few seconds.
This makes me feel conflicting emotions. Mainly because this sounds like something I might say, but if somebody else said this to me I'd get pissed off as fuck.
As a student from a conservatory, I can say with great confidence that it is absolutely ridiculous to think that when you play jazz, you can play anything. No genre is beneath any other. A lot of musicians are too busy with their egos and comparing genres. Not every jazz musician can play rock or pop as good as a pop/rock musician or vice versa. That has to do with feeling and attitude, not always technique!
But its easy to say The truth here: If a jazz musician attempta metal, they will play it better than If a metal player attempta jazz. (talking improv as well Ofc)
@@laeronym5884 I honestly think that’s where you overestimate jazz players. I knew some jazz guitar players that tried to do that, but they couldn’t pull it off because they still sounded like jazz guitarists playing metal. They sounded too precise and it wasn’t rock n roll. Both parties have to practice just as hard. I think the difference lies mostly in character and attitude. It’s in how you sound. I also know a metal guitarist who knows some jazz theory and can pull off a fine jazzy solo. But you’ll still here a metal guitar player.
@@TrumanBest but metal is nowhere close to being as strict in style and attitude. So i dont really know what you mean. Metal is like... Shredding and the attitude is usually hidden because its so loud and fast anyways. I have never. Ever ever listened to metal or looked at metal and thought ''damn The feels they have''. In jazz you need it. So i still dont agree with you. Jazz is harder and more wide than any other genre. You cant say that metal is even comparable because. It isnt. You wont need The theory and knowledge in metal like you do jazz.
@@laeronym5884 animals as leaders is pretty damn theory heavy and each player is probably one of the best musicians of their generation But yeah, for the most part, you need less theory for metal than you do for jazz
One thing I see a ton is metalheads going "MeTaL iS tHe ClAsSiCaL mUsIc Of ThIs AgE" and then playing some random harmonic minor lick like "This is like Bach! Understand?"
I was one of those metalheads in my teen years lol. It’s all music folks. Anyway the solution to the metal vs jazz debate is to listen to Tigran Hamasyan.
This is beautiful. Btw, if you want some jazz-laden metal bands, highly recommend Ingurgitating Obllivion, Imperial Triumphant, Ad Nauseam, Deathspell Omega, Dodecahedron. They actually got me into jazz so maybe they will some of you as well!
@@TheAsdsdswww Coevality recently came out with an instrumental album which is heavily inspired by Cynic, you may like it, it's got the fretless bass we all love...
@@TheAsdsdswww Meshuggah led me to Allan, funny how that works haha. Damn I should've mentioned Cynic and Atheist while at it, glad you got me covered lads
i mean yeah but you cant really say that jazz by definition is more complicated or technical than metal. Metal is complicated in different ways. Although i agree that jazz, to a larger extent, is in general a more complicated musical genre, that doesn't mean that jazz as a genre is by definition more complicated. There are easy jazz compositions and there are extremely complicated jazz compositions. The same goes for metal. It all comes down to the composer, not the genre.
Also, if anyone has the gall to tell me how intellectual jazz is, I'm just gonna show them free jazz so they can shut the fuck up. A ridiculous amount of jazz is just musicians having inside jokes and thinking something sounds neat. Giant Steps is probably the best example of musicians fucking with each other on a song, I can actually imagine Coltrane cracking up as Flanagan is just cursing under his breath.
Good luck playing Bach's 4-5 voiced fugues from Art of Fugue or Goldberg variations. I would say most average jazz piano players would sh. in their pants. You literally have to split both hands (in your brain) in half.
Music conveys emotions, I've felt a vast spectrum of emotions by listening to some classical jazz, funk, metal and so many other genres and sub genres of music. Each genre can convey an immense range of emotions. It's a matter of taste and listening to whatever the fuck you enjoy.
Why the hate for Rust in Peace? Mustaine also plays natural minor rather than just minor pentatonic XD. In all seriousness, Nick Menza was a jazz drummer before he joined Megadeth (on Rust in Peace) and Marty Friedman used many exotic scales in his solos on that album.
ikr, he could have chosen a lot of good examples for that point and instead he chose Rust In Peace, the absolute madman. Also, as a fun fact, there were jazz musicians in Megadeth since the first album came out, basically.
"It's a fact that if you can play jazz you can play anything". No, it's not true. If you want to play a genre, any genre, you have to learn it, even if you can already play jazz. Every musician who learned to play more than one genre knows it.
It is true in some ways. Jazz as a genre can require a pretty high level of knowledge of music theory if you're composing and playing at any significant level. As a result, as long as you have knowledge of some basic structure and staples of other simpler genres, you can "fake it" if that makes sense. E.g; just knowing the basic pop chord progressions will let you improv out a pop-sounding song.
@@gnomeam High level knowledge of music theory and high level instrumental technique are not enough to play a music genre that you don't know. A jazz player can't play african music if he/she doesn't listen to it and practice it until he/she can FEEL it. A jazz player can't even play country blues credibly, if he/she doesn't FEEL it. I personally know a jazz guitarist (and today conservatory teacher) who in the past was rejected at a rock band audition because he didn't play with the right feel for them, in spite of any technical skills. Music goes far beyond technique and "knowledge". It's a deeper thing.
@@andsalomoni they cant feel it bcoz each genre had different feels. But they can learn how it works easily bcause in jazz, u must know music theory more than any genre. Musician who dont learn any music theory cant play another genre than his genre.
@@akamaraijin6886 Wrong. Most ethnic music in the world has little theoretical content, and is mostly learned orally by listening and imitation. Any musician with little musical theory knowledge can learn those musics if trained by competent keepers of those musics, or by intensively listening to them. You can learn as many genres as you want this way. And all the theory that a jazz player knows is almost useless to that aim. E.g. music theory is almost superfluous to play classic country blues. But the "blues feeling" is essential, and it is not guaranteed that a jazz musician of today has it. E.g. congolese rumba has very little music theory in it, but I challenge ANY experienced jazz player to play it credibly without a long time of thorough oral learning. The examples are countless.
In fact, that's not true at all. There are TONS of metal subgenres and therefore metal listeners. I myself, as many of my friends thankfully, listen with joy and appreciate both the worlds. Someone who pretends to be a "true music lover" or "expert" and does not listen and appreciate at least more than one genre, or that proclaims superiority of one genre to the other in an absolute way can't be considered a truthfully source.
When the incorrect apostrophe in the title gets criticized by a grammar warrior.... Apostrophes are basically used for contractions (omission of letters such as with "cannot" -> "can't"), for possessive nouns (real nouns, like Bob's food or the water's edge - not pronouns, as a pronoun has its possessive already built in), and for pluralizing a letter used as a letter (write a story with no e's). There's more nuance than this but there you go.
This is fucking dangerous it's like we can control a video of whoever we want like a puppet I sure hope this doesn't become the world's demise in the future
Can you make more of this series? The comments are quite delicious and I look foward to wasting my time browsing the comments for 20 minutes again. Thanks.
