Yet more examples of men writing women very badly. We've seen that women are not grapes, now let's confirm that they aren't chickens. Join this channel to get access to perks: / @jammidodger
Need to have more books with phrases like "She studied him walking through the door. His khakis clinging to his thighs giving hint to his completely average member."
I have read pants described as clingy enough to make out the religion of the wearer. Which I thought to be incredibly racist (can I use this for religion as well?) as well as horribly inaccurate
Okay but "you can touch your breasts, you can't touch the sun" is an awesome no context quote to confuse people with. It's a fun game my friend group enjoys
I find is fascinating how some guys seem to think that breasts are like, emotional barometers or something. Like our boobs vibrate to let us know somethings wrong and we go, "What's that, Lassie? Timmy fell down the well?" Tit's don't have ESP. They don't emote. They don't move independently of the rest of the body. I know it's disappointing, but for the most part they sit there, catch crumbs, and/or get in the way.
I tried reading this with a straight face, I got through a sentence before I started cracking up laughing through it. I'm still laughing. That was absolutely beautiful.
I sometimes want to sleep on my stomach and I basically have to construct a pillow doughnut for the girls to go into, because otherwise, it will feel like they are being crushed after roughly half a minute. Can confirm they get in the way x.x
I love the one that had an author legit asking, "But how do you describe a woman without describing her boobs?" Believe it or not, I have written several books featuring descriptions of women, and have never once described a breast in any of them.
How about: • The way they're standing/moving • Their hair • Their facial features • Their clothes • What they're doing You know, the way you'd describe any other characters?
I mean, to be fair, it would probably be awkward as hell to go up to your own ma and be like "hey, do your boobs vibrate like antennae when there's celery in the room" or something.
Someone I took a writing class with and used to talk to a lot wrote a short about a junior high age girl and interviewed his sister/sisters to make sure it was accurate. I think he did a pretty good job too.
These kinds of videos taught me how to write women ... As an NB (amab) I give as few details as possible about a woman's body shapes on purpose because it isn't important. Boobs are rarely mentioned, and if they are, they aren't described in any capacity. The only time I've ever described breasts are with this sentence - "Sammy, my boobs are not as big as you think they are"
Yeah, same- I describe the same kind of stuff I'd describe for a male character (height, skin tone, hair/eye color, hair length, etc.) and the few times I've written about breast size (a small handful at the most), it's been as part of a self description in a character sheet I was doing for an RP me and my friends do from time to time (text-based, so no real imagery), and even then I typically don't do so unless I feel like it makes sense for the character. My friends focus a bit more on sizes than I do, but not nearly to the level of r/MenWritingWomen (my friend group is a mix of men and women of several orientations). Being the lone ace of the group, I probably should ask my friends for more help when writing that kind of stuff because it feels off for me type it out and I can't help but feel like it's really wooden or comes off as being awkward (which would probably be because it feels very awkward to write it out). Honestly, in the stories I've done, I try to avoid having my character show attraction because idk how to write it well- though, that's assuming that I remember that I'm writing allo characters rather than ace ones >_>
@@bronztrooper9440 Awkwardness when writing about the physicality of the character's body shouldn't be a problem. I think most people are awkward when they think and examine their own bodies. We're almost always comparing ourselves to someone else or some ideal. Asking people you trust for help is never a bad move either.
@@annachen6562 but a great many run home kitchens with the same level of skill even when they’re not allowed in the professional kitchens, which can honestly take almost the same level of coordination and organization
@@annachen6562 right, they don’t really think we belong in the kitchen - if a man and a woman both said they worked in the same restaurant, most people would assume the women was a waitress and the man a chef - they think we belong in servitude
Gentlemen, I guarantee our boobs' size, shape, etc are not a critical factor in deciding whether we are ourselves or not. I feel very confident in stating that we would check our facial features, as well as look for any birthmark and/or scar that will identify us long before we would grope ourselves. Sorry if that kills a fantasy....
right like, I might actually look at my chest, but that’s because I have a birthmark right below one of my boobs. I’m not gonna look at those themselves.
@@sophiathefurbst More importantly, would you squish your breasts and think "Well, both boobs are round, with the left being slightly larger by almost a full cup size so these are definitely my knockers so that means I am definitely me!"?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that part of what the body dysphoria is all about? Like anybody that gets top surgery does so because they believe it is in fact a critical factor in deciding who they are? I feel like the top surgery is the first surgical step to any transition, boy or girl. And the girls breast bind before surgery usually.
Anyone who has boobs can confirm that they DO slightly change size and shape with the menstrual cycle so actually I don't think that's a good indicator of "nothing has changed"
Really? How slightly? I have boobs, and have never noticed them changing shape or size. Though, they are pretty small and I don't generally pay them much attention, so I guess they may have been doing that without me noticing.
@@muraalia eh, not that much, but they become firmer and rounder and so they look bigger when you're on your period. It's more noticeable if you have big boobs, if yours are already firm probably it doesn't change much
Mine are small and I've never noticed a difference based on menstrual cycle. The only change I have actually noticed was when I lost weight, because I am already too thin so losing more weight cost me in breast size :( I would very much like it back please
"BEWWWWB!" Oh my god, that's fantastic/terrible! One of my favourite comic book onomatopoeia came from a panel where a toilet exploded. The sound effect was, "Ba-THROOM!"
Watching Jaime (a grown man with a wife) have ALL the right reactions and grossed out faces to these genuinely Disgusting descriptions of women is so therapeutic. Love you and what you do Jaime!!!
I'll tell you something, Jazz- something which no woman should ever admit... Jazz is the person that they're speaking to. There's a lot of weird spacing, so the - kinda looks like it might be a hyphen, which is probably why you kept reading it as jazz-something.
I definitely didn't realize that was supposed to be a name. I think a little more context would have helped the passage read more clearly. But that wasn't the focus, I know.
@@Fireinthedarkness666 Yeah, a comma would work just as well without being easily confused for something else. I'll tell you something, Jazz, something which no woman should ever admit... yada yada yada.
take my words with a grain of salt because I don't know much, but I heard that there is some kind of "prize" for books with bad womens anatomy/ the way they write women and adult-funtimey scenes. The thing is, they literally excluse books from the adult-funtimey genre
I can’t say I’m brilliant at it. But I try to write women as people first, and definitely not a collection of body parts hopefully stitched together with some sort of personality. Some of these come across as if they’ve never MET a woman, let alone read a book by one.
I know right, I'm female and I have no problem with guys appreciating my form as long as they remember there's an actual interesting person in here too, same thing goes for writing female characters. She can be attractive, her attractiveness doesn't even need to be super important to the story necessarily if you're wanting to add a bit of sex appeal, but she should ideally have some actual character traits going on besides big tiddies lol. Otherwise it can come off as a tad dehumanizing, unless the character is actually meant to be that flat for some plot-related reason. A main character should definitely have an actual personality.
I know that passage in the first one....she is the head cook in a large fantasy medieval farm complex...she prepares 3 multi-dish meals for over 50 farm hands. She is also the most powerful sorceress in that fantasy world. The reason for that passage is the king and his advisors were trying to figure out a problem that had a simple solution they were just too close to the problem when she pointed out the simple solution they asked how she could figure that out, and that's when she talked about being in charge of a kitchen and needing practicality to make a large kitchen with limited resources feed a lot of people. So out of context yeah it's bad writing of women, knowing the rest of it it's a really big compliment on organization and planning skills. It's not that women belong in the kitchen, that was her job. She was paid for it, and because of her abilities in running it smoothly and keeping everyone fed during planting and harvest, she was highly valued by the property owner.
A publisher reading a manuscript: "her legs kept her butt from touching her feet" The publisher: "BRILLIANT! ASTOUNDING! GROUNDBREAKING! WE'LL PRINT IT AT ONCE"
"She had the kind of legs that kept her butt from resting on her shoes" ... so... legs? just like, normal legs? don't all legs put space between the butt and shoes? I couldn't believe anyone thought this sentence meant anything in particular
@@taybug77 When I saw that, I thought, "Jeez, this goomba is trying to recreate the noir detective novel writing style, and failing SPECTACULARLY at it..." He needs to read more of the novel type to get the style right, and then never actually write any. Ever. EDIT: a commenter below has solved the mystery of this bizarre bit. It seems the writer is one Christopher Moore, the book is Noir, and the insanity was deliberate. It's a send up of the noir writing style. I can be literal and thought this poor boob was trying to imitate the noir style, and it was a guy being a humourist, making fun of the noir style all along.
Jammie is one of the people that helped me figure out my sexuality and gender. Thank you for making these videos and im sure you help so many people ❤️
"Don't touch the sun" without consent. No seriously, just cause it's the sun doesn't mean you should not get consent before giving it a good old fondle. Although now I'm reminded of the old saying "Stop it or you'll go blind!"
The English language does have more or less appropriate or problematic words such as "willowy" "buxom" "sylph-like" "Rubensesque" "slender" "hourglass" "voluptuous" "coltish" etc. so that writers can give a good-enough-for-the-reader-to-imagine-the-character-&-get-on-with-the-story description of a female character's figure WITHOUT describing each perky breast, creamy thigh, & shapely leg in a way that calls to mind a Penthouse letters column. Some of this is not so much men writing women as bad writers describing ANYTHING... Thanks for all the laughs, though! My favourite annoying example of a man writing a women: in a short story, while the two characters are driving from point A to point B, a man asks a woman if she needs to pee & she says something like "Oh, you just asked that in order to bring up my vagina", which I think is supposed to sound like she's trying to be flirty but actually just sounds weird & uncomfortable to me, plus I have a pet peeve about people who confound vaginas & urethras...
I'm a US southerner who's had to live without AC during 38 C/ 100 F plus degree weather. Here are some tips: open windows on either side of your house and position fans on the side with the most shade to create nice cross-ventilation. Then, freeze water bottles & use string to let them hang in front of the fans. it's not real a/c, but it'll do the job in a pinch.
My apartment in the UK has large windows in the front and back ,and a pair of double doors separating those two rooms, so I open both the windows and both the doors and get a nice jetstream across most of my apartment that helps. The only problem is that the Kitchen, Bathroom and Study are not part of that pathway, so the rooms that benefit the most are the bedroom and lounge.
Seconded. Also, for pets, set a frozen liter bottle in a pie plate or casserole dish half-filled with water. My cats like the cold water fine but are FASCINATED by the condensation on the bottle itself. You'd think it was a special treat, not a "Good God, please drink things so you don't die..." I also enjoy a good frozen water bottle, myself. Supremely helpful applied to sides of the neck, face, underarms, and held between the legs to draw some heat out of the femoral arteries.
@@quiestinliteris I've been known to take frozen water bottles to bed to help keep things cool at night, too. Need a towel for the condensation and any potential leakage yet helps keep temps down.
I feel like the "mentioning the chest is unavoidable, or?"-comment encapsulates how some of these men (mostly, anyway) seem to view women in general. I mean, if I were to describe the physical attributes of a person I'd just met, I'd maybe talk about their style of dress, height, hair colour, general vibe, etc. but some of these men seem to be like "she's got a HUGE rack. Oh, and brown or blonde or black hair or something, whatever" lol
It is somewhat unavoidable if you want to describe their physical appearance in detail. Things like facial structure, hair color and style, bust size, muscle definition, and body type are very important aspects in defining a character's appearance fully. Saying this as an artist who has to consider ALL of these things and more when making a character. That said authors can only pick so many of these things to describe before it becomes overbearing, so you will leave a lot to the imagination. If someone has big boobas the reader can probably assume it if you say they have an hour glass shape, or if they're overweight they'll probably assume it too. Things like that. It's good to paint a picture including the boobs but it doesn't need to be direct like it is in these books.
I quite like my last introduction to a female character. "She had short poofy hair and was wearing a suit, as she worked for the local newspaper." then left the reader to learn about her personality through how she acted in the story.
In one book on "writing advice" i bought used on a whim, literally the first sentence when it came to describing a female character's physical appearance was: "how large are her breasts?" I actually ended up posting that page to this subreddit lol
@@catpoke9557 Drawing her is quite a bit different from describing her in text, since you can't avoid drawing the boobs as well. The most I see necessary in describing the breasts physically -- IF you must -- is if they are big or small, and if she's wearing clothes that are particularly noticeable around the breasts, then maybe that too (but this should rarely be used. It's objectifying. Or just write "she wore revealing clothes"). 99% of the time, you really don't need to mention the chest. Mention it as often as you mention it on male characters.
Watching these videos made me realize that I was so used to reading women described in that way (breasts and all that) that I never noticed how odd it is. It was just always normal to read it. Even female authors do it.
another thing that’s sadly normalized is the phrase “underaged women,” when, I honestly don’t remember ever hearing the phrase “underaged men” except the time someone pointed this out to ke
@@HeyItsmeImAlex 27 C is pretty cool. Not much higher than room temperature. You must be mildly cold year round. 40 c is quite a warm summer day can be real tough, 27 c is mildly warm summer day.
I love your content, my sister introduced me to your channel when I was (still am) questioning trans and your videos really comfort me and make me feel okay with being me. Thanks Jamie
The moment you start watching someone just to make you feel better and confortable is the moment you stop evolving. You should challenge your belives by also watching right wing video or videos of people that oppose jamies opinion like jordan peterson.
@@Am-uj6qn bro I’m 17 I haven’t stopped evolving 😭, also, if I wanna watch videos to make me feel comfortable who are you, a person I have never met before, to tell me that I shouldn’t watch stuff to make me feel comfortable within who I am as a person 🤨
@@smilaMac evolving doesn t have anything to do with your age. A grandpa can still learn new stuff whereas a flat earth teen isn t expanding his mind at all. Also i don t have any athority to tell you what to do and i never said i did. I just told you that watching videos of people that agree with you politically speaking or make you confortable is a dumb thing to do, since you don t challenge your ideas and believes until you are so convinced of something that even if you hear valid criticism you dismiss it. Like a flat earther.
@@Am-uj6qn as someone who used to watch Jordan Peterson, you shouldn't watch something that makes you feel comfortable, you should watch someone who can change your beliefs like Contrapoints, Vaush or Destiny
I actually like the first one. I don't think the message was "it's because we belong in the kitchen" I think it's more "you make us learn to be more practical through the roles we are given in society"
I agree. And I'm pretty sure it's about the planning and organization and managing everyone else that works in a kitchen, not the actual cooking and baking. It's a diss to the noble 😂
We do be Brits complaining about the weather, but I think we get a special pass this week, it's been off the charts! Edit: I hope everyone in Europe stayed/stays safe. People and pets, look after yourselves
It was definitely way too hot for me, 43°C where I live. Thankfully the heatwave seems to have ended here, as temperature decreased. However there's a lot of wild fires and our firefighters are struggling :/
Everyone is concerned about the heat wave. No one gives a shit that Alice Springs has below freezing temperatures, and like those in the UK, they are not set up for it and are not acclimated to it. Mostly blackfellas with no heating, though, so there's your answer.
@@PinkPuffball1992 It has been a rough few days in front of fans with ice water, but thankfully the "main" heatwave (40°C heat) only lasted a couple of days. We're back into the 20°s now, which is slightly more bearable!
This is actually very helpful. As a gay male writer, I even fall into describing women in a physical or sexual way sometimes, perhaps because that is the way society tells all men to think of them. I'm sexually attracted to men, obviously, but I rarely describe men by their butt, genitals, or broad heaving chest. The closest thing I can think of for men would be describing the features of their face or their sexy voice. My sister and my female best friend had pointed out a couple of years ago that the women I wrote were describe in a somewhat vulgar part by part way that made them sound like they were being visually groped. Obviously, I didn't want to convey that feeling to my readers, so I have made a consorted effort to describe women in other ways like their job title, talents, intelligence, and other non-physical attributes like bravery, honesty, strength, etc.
Holy Maggie Nightmare Flashback, Batman!!! That cook/running the domain thing was like what they said about Thatcher in the 1979 election campaign. "Because she's a woman, she knows how to run a household and running the economy is just the same! Also she helped her father in his grocery shop!" I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight now, thanks Jamie!
@@legrandliseurtri7495 It was dumb but yeah, it was what was said. I'd wager that it was a calculated move by Thatcher's team to run the notion to the press. There were certainly no objections from Thatcher that I can recall. Her PR team taught her to lower her voice by an octave, so she would be taken "more seriously", though that may have been some point into her first term as PM. It got to the point where Spitting Image satirised this aspect of Thatcher's persona, making her increasingly more masculine as the show went on; wearing trousers, then smoking cigars, to being in the urinals with members of her cabinet.
I found this channel a few months ago through a men writing women video and I thought Jamie was saying that it was HIS first video in the intro, and was very confused. It was funny when I figured it out! Anyway I have been watching ever since and also the huge backlog of content, love this channel!
Ohhhhh! Transphobic troll Dusty is back along with a new sidekick, Rhymer. They troll all of Jamie’s videos. You sure spend a lot of time watching his videos
@@marcy1232 he's made several burner accounts over the past 7 months specifically for harassing the comment section of this RU-vid channel, just report his account/comments
I once read a Fantasy trilogy by a gay author. He described every single woman's boobs in detail and drew conclusions from it (like, young woman who never had children, fertile woman ready to bear children, old woman etc.) I believed that maybe he thought that's how heterosexual men (like his protagonist) saw the world. But now I'm thinking maybe it's just ... a trope?
I think it's more a gender thing thing a sexual orientation thing. It has more to do with how men are socialised to view women (as sex objects, primarily judged based off their appearance) than it does sexual orientation. I don't often come across novels written by lesbians that spend paragraphs describing breasts.
Whenever I write a description of people, especially a main character, I try to keep details to a minimum so the readers can identify with that person. If the character has a particular characteristic that makes them stand out in the crowd - red hair, exceptionally tall or short, missing left arm, distinctive scars - then it's worth mentioning. Having someone look at themselves in a mirror is a big cliché in writing and should be avoided. Most of the examples Jamie read out were classic descriptions of the 'male gaze', which is from the perspective of a notionally typical heterosexual man considered as embodied in the audience or intended audience, characterised by a tendency to objectify or sexualise women.
Oh my gosh 🙈 The awful "X looked at herself in the mirror/pondwater/mildly reflective surface" writing trope... 😂 It always sticks out like a sore thumb, and I very rarely see it applied to anyone EXCEPT female characters! But even worse are the novels where author suddenly starts going "X brushed her gorgeously long, wavy hair back off her forehead and rolled her intense blue eyes" as an alternative way of introducing character description. Like, the only people who actually think about their own physicality that way tend to be super-self-absorbed a-holes, and I don't think that's how you want your hero/ine to come across in the first chapter? 😵💫
7:25 Jazz is a person's name (likely short for Jasmine) so it's "I'll tell you something, Jazz," then the emdash is a pause. So it's not "jazz-something," it's "...Jazz . . . . . . something..."
Yes they just messed up the punctuation thing really badly inside that book. Like... Something, Jazz - Something... But there are zero spaces on either side of the -
@@kathrinstegmayer4528 Yeah, that seems to be A Style. I would write a space, dash, space, but apparently the "correct" way by that style is no spaces and an emdash, an extra long line sometimes stimulated with two regular dashes. It's something I've had to get used to in a wider array of writing.
I've never as an Italian American been offended for the Italian side of my family but I feel weirdly offended by that first passage. Also I noticed y'all are getting 40 degree weather over there and with our regular around 40 degree summers, I know just how hot that is. I hope y'all are doing well!
I'm not even of Italian descent (that I know of) and it struck me weird, too. I don't know if it was just poor writing or if the author intended to pair the characters "Italian" looks with the notion that she was not very attractive.
Hell, men can't even write *men* well. You know how often I see shorthand in fiction intended to suggest that the protagonist is a manly man, and it's always the same? Cigar, whiskey, classic muscle car. Boom, done. Don't even need an actual personality. Most people just aren't talented.
Oh thank god, I'm not the only one! I would put on a swimsuit and stand in the shower with two water balloons shoved down the front to pretend I had boobs, lol. Didn't want to make a mess when they popped, after all.
The size 8 dame in the size 6 dress is Stilton one of the main characters of a book called Noir by Christopher Moore. The whole book is ridiculous and silly and hilarious. It's meant to be, he's a comedy writer.
@Katherine Ellsworth It's kinda funny that satire/comedy descriptions of female bodies can't be told apart from the terrible serious attempts. Funny in a sad way, I guess.
To be fair to those who write about boobs in absurd detail, if you dare to read books from the "romance" genre, you will find a few descriptions of the male physiology and anatomy that are very...imaginative 😂
But those are romance novels where it makes more sense for those descriptions to be there. Men describe women like this in every genre imaginable, when someone's breast size isn't relevant in any way shape or form. Like imagine if in a crime novel a male suspect walked into the interrogation room and the female detective started despite his dick and balls in excruciating detail, and made deductions about whether he commited the murder or not depending on how erect he was?? That would be an accurate comparison to this sub lmao
The one about the chick whose legs "kept her butt from resting on her feet" sounds like a great description of a dwarven woman going into a gnomish bar. I may use that to generate my next D&D character.
Interestingly my butt keeps my legs from touching the ground when I lay which leads to all the weight being put on my heels since they are the only thing past my butt that touches the ground. It's very unpleasant. I also do not have a big butt, so I've no idea why this happens.
Jamie is so helpful for young trans people who are still trying to figure themselves out. 🥺 Even without accounting for any sort of advice, it's still very nice to see a transman living his best life and it gives me, personally, hope.
@@dustygania2425 If you tear down enough people, will you finally be able to see over the horizon when you climb atop the stack of bodies? Is that when you'll feel successful enough? Regardless of whether each one of those feels like a victory, the vantage sounds very lonely. 😣🙏
Ohhhhh! Transphobic troll Dusty is back along with a new sidekick, Rhymer. They troll all of Jamie’s videos. You sure spend a lot of time watching his videos
@@Christina-hj4hh I feel sorry for those sorts of trolls. Imagine if that kind of s#!tty behavior passed as entertainment for stable people. It's beyond the absurdity of comic book supervillains (At least those usually look cool).
@@rhymerlegend2717 I'm glad I transitioned and I will never feel any other way about it. Have you ever had some medical condition or injury that required treatment? Of any kind? And what relief came after the surgery or medication or painkiller or when the cast came off or whatever was needed? My brain knows it is inhabiting a more medically correct space now. It is that simple. It is that proper. That will never change. Edit: and no one -- no one -- will have their mind changed by name calling, by bullying, by being insulted. Ever. And if you think you've succeeded, in that brief instance those things are all you've done and that's all it will ever amount to. It's pathetic. And I feel pity for it.
@@rhymerlegend2717 Are you not getting it? Trans people don't care what you believe. Your facts are wrong. Period. Reinforce your stats and cite sources. Legit ones -- not "well everybody said!!!" Yeah. You're gonna get what you want by bullying children. Super f#$!ing heroic.
Just reading through the comments here - someone wishing Europe well in the heat wave, someone saying they're questioning their gender and Jamie makes them feel relaxed about not being sure yet, someone else saying Jamie helped them come out. Compare that to the hate and rage in the comments of transphobes videos!!! I wish they'd join us here and be happy and friendly
@@lou_ci_fer yeah it's mainly people who devote all their time into harassment, so much so that many of them are using burner accounts and create new ones whenever the previous one gets zapped for harassment.
Watching your videos has helped me so much. I have become more open and ok with who I am and it has led to me getting top surgery next month. You have helped me become more confident in myself and working towards making my outside match how I have always felt on the inside. So I have you to thank for getting the phone call today scheduling my surgery. I don't know if I would of ever made it to this step without finding you on RU-vid.
7:18 that's not a hyphenated word, that's a line break - also known as stroke. The poor kerning makes it look like a hyphenated word, but I'm assuming Jazz is a person's name and "something" is the start of the sentence after the break.
Okay, that first quote is from Polgara the Sorceress by David Eddings. I read the Belgariad and The Mallorean series a lot as a teen. Revisiting it as an adult I noticed that the female characters were kind of trope-y. But it still has a fond place in my heart.
Same here. I like the series, but I know that he definitely could have asked his wife's advice more often on how to make the women a little more realistic!
@@kiarona. apparently She actually was involved in writing most his books but Del Rey felt it was better to just one author listed which wasn't fix until later books.
@@cmmosher8035 yeah they finally credited her in the prequels. Maybe she didn't see anything wrong with the tropes because she'd been brought up reading stuff like that too
I follow several content creators from the UK and the front topic has def been the heat wave. I hope everyone stays safe and watches out for signs of heat exhaustion / heat stroke.
I hope I dont come off as insulting, but how can you be ftm and enby? I really don't know a lot about things under the trans umbrella do I trying to learn more. Sorry, and thanks ig
@@calebdupree8728 There's a few different combinations that this might refer to that I can see, and I don't presume to speak for the OP's specific identity and situation, but just in general- "FTM" might refer to physical sex (e.g. an endocrinological or surgical transition), whereas "nonbinary" could refer to gender identity. As an example, someone who is on masculinizing HRT, and identify gender-wise as nonbinary. "FTM" could also indicate gender presentation, with "nonbinary" indicating gender identity. A different person might use the terms "nonbinary masc" or "masc-leaning nonbinary" or similar-they're nonbinary but lean one way in terms of identity or presentation. They may or may not have undergone any medical masculinizing therapies. It needn't be that nuanced and some people might just use "FTM" to indicate their AGAB too, I suppose, if they feel it relevant to mention? i.e. equivalent to "nonbinary AFAB".
1:28 I'm not sure if this is a dig at Italian people or not. Is he saying that Italians aren't beautiful? Or is he saying that typically they are very beautiful, but her features were slightly less so than most?
6:47 the writer clearly has no clue on women’s sizes. She’s a size 8 wearing a size 6, and then they mention everyone was rooting for the two dress sizes to make a break for it……..there’s only 1 dress size difference between an 8 and a 6. No such think as a size 7
Before I read this, I thought she was a size 8 in clothing, but a size 6 in shoes. You're right, that doesn't make sense. Odd sizes exist, but they're specialties.
Actually 5-7-9 is / was teen sizing in the US. There were stores named 5-7-9 in the olden days. And I agree, no one’s gonna burst out of their clothes by dropping one size 😂
For that piece at around 7:30 - the long hyphen after Jazz is meant to be read as an interjection. A sudden interruption into the conversation. “I have to tell you something, Jazz; something which…”
The thing that bugs me about the second one is that it would have been fine (and actually kind of good) if he'd stopped at "...in the backwind of the rotors." Like, you know she's tall, you know she's not bookish, you know it's windy, what else do you need?
Omg it also bothered me so much (and o haven’t seen anyone mention it at all) he says her breasts are unsupported, but then talks about her ribbed bodice?! That would be supportive undergarments, just in the dress itself!!!! But then there’s also the whole, truely unsupported breasts wouldn’t really have cleavage… also didn’t he say they were small? Or am I melding a few together? Because small unsupported breasts absolutely will not yield cleavage
"The kind of legs that kept her butt from resting on her shoes" So, like, the kind of legs everyone has? I'm pretty sure everyone's legs keep their butt from resting on their shoes. It's a fairly essential component between the shoe and the butt.
Yeah exactly, I had thought this was meant to be a satire piece describing legs in a way that applies to literally all legs. Same as "her legs went all the way down to the ground". I forget where that's from but I've heard it anyway.
@@ShadowNinetales I've heard "legs went all the way up" in a parody. But I felt like it would also make for a really weird backhanded compliment on being very sensible the same way having "walls that meet at the corner" is Edited bc I apparently can't spell today
My guess is it describes what the butt is doing when the character is kneeling or similar. This pose would cause the butt to be on the shoes, unless the legs were particularly strong and held it higher or something like that.
Okay but hear me out; that one about exploding kinda sounded like when older folks are surprised, and they make up random shit that's never happened to imply they're just as surprised as if such and such happened. "Well I'll be, shove a stick of dynamite sown my throat and call me Flying Fragments of Breast"
Ah, I see the word “undulating” has once again made a comeback! No seriously, this word seems awfully common in books despite it being uncommon(?) in normal speech. More often than it should be, it is used in sexual scenarios (why!?). And the word has been completely ruined for me because of it. EVERY TIME I see or hear the word my brain goes “ooh undulating again”, always paying special attention to that the word has once again been used. Highly recommend a video by Merphy Napier if you want to see where and how the word has been used.
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First time commenting here! Hi, everybody! First thing I have to say is that I am super thankful, I've learnt so much from him about everything trans and I'm so happy he's out there saying what needs to be said *^_^* This being said, there goes a little thought about this series. I have the impression Jammie forgets that in some of the excerpts we are actually hearing a character's voice describing a woman and thus these parts need to be understood/judged not only as a mere description of the woman, but simultaneously as a psychological portrait of the character who's making that description. Wanting to depict a character as sexist through the way they describe a woman can serve some specific intention in the book, like explaining the way they act in other parts of the book or simply pointing out how ridiculous that character is. Likewise, the narrator of a story should not be understood as litterally 'the writer's voice' talking to us, but as a specific voice the writer chose to tell their story, which can be far from their actual beliefs, if that serves their literary purposes. I know Jammie's not really roasting any writer in here, and it is very likely indeed that in a number of the excerpts it's just the author's sexism, I just wanted to share that thought with youz -and with Jammie, if he ever read this. Lots of love!
Name and shame my man! Name and shame! As in I would very much appreciate a list of these authors/works so I know what to avoid when picking my next book... :D Thank you!
For people who think this kind of writing isn't harmfull: Today I had to explain to a man that A) we're not a collective and B) don't all think the same.
So why get mad at men for writing some fictional characters that are different than your personal experiences? I hope you can discern reality from fiction.
@@lolizorz I can, the problem is that quite a few men can't. The guy I was talking to was not talking about fictional women, but was trying to explain to me that women in general just pretend to want to be successful on their own and really want a man to be their sugar daddy. This type of writing is harmful because there is a relative large number of men that cannot discern reality from fiction and believe that these fictional characters are the average woman.
Kinda related to the “practical”/“dreamers” - I am reminded of Terry Pratchett’s Equal Rites, the first Discworld novel that introduced witches, where witch magic is more earthy, more about finding solutions to help people with their everyday problems, and wizard magic is more associated with the sky, more esoteric and theoretical. All that to say that isn’t the first time I have seen something kinda like idea, although it’s magic system world-building rather than all men and all women. Also the entire point of Equal Rites is that it isn’t as simple as girl = witch, boy = wizard.
What did you expect them to be doing? Twerking? I choked on my seltzer. Honestly most of these dudes writing dames do seem to expect the chicken cutlets to be twerking
7:22 I don't know if someone's already said this but Jazz is a name in this context and that dash is an em dash used to convey a new clause or whatever. You can change it up a bit to make it a bit easier to read: "Now I'll tell you something, Jazz. Something which no woman should ever admit..."
The second excerpt is from Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons". He also wrote "The da Vinci Code". Fun adventures but not great literature. His turgid writing style and awkward descriptions of women remind one of an 22 year old incel attempting to write fan fiction. Has he ever even seen a woman?
I have a few comments on the last one: The name is pronounced something like Ow-Mah-May. From the writing style I immediately knew this excerpt was from Haruki Murakami. I enjoy his books, but he has a very… odd way of writing women. I think I’ve seen a few scenes in movies and such where men, to make sure that they’re the same, pull the waistband of their pants out to (presumably) check their dick size. Maybe that’s what he was referencing, but it’s still weird.
I have little faith Murakami since discovering he thinks women can hold their periods/start their period after sex. Strange man, might need to talk to an actual woman at some point, imo
Lmao it was only a matter of time before Murakami would show up in these videos, now that I think about it. I've enjoyed his books quite a lot, but it would be fun to read some of his work looking for this kind of stuff now that I'm paying more attention.
Your face at 0:24 and the « that’s what we learn , hum, wow … », were just so funny! I enjoy your videos on men writing women. Those « writers » should watch your videos, they may learn a thing or 2.
7:26 I think it’s supposed to be a dash between Jazz and something (old texts do this weird thing) so “Now, I’ll tell you something, Jazz - something which no woman…”
